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Game 66: Rays at Nats

Jun 20, 2012, 7:28 PM EDT

Photo by Mark Zuckerman / NATS INSIDER
Stephen Strasburg tries to end the Nationals' four-game losing streak tonight.

There will be plenty of side drama to tonight's game, with everyone wondering whether there will be any recourse for the Nationals ratting out Rays reliever Joel Peralta's pine tar-laden glove, not to mention Joe Maddon's less-than-complimentary feelings about Davey Johnson.

But of far more importance to the Nationals is the need for a win. They've lost four straight, and the last thing they want to do is extend the streak to five. Fortunately, Stephen Strasburg is on the mound tonight. The Nats have given their ace the ball three times this season while they're stuck in a losing streak of at least three games. Strasburg has won all three games: May 10 at the Pirates, May 20 against the Orioles, June 2 against the Braves.

Strasburg was supposed to be opposed tonight by Jeremy Hellickson, but the budding Rays right-hander was placed on the DL with a shoulder injury. So instead it'll be righty Chris Archer making his big-league debut.

Plenty of updates to come…

TAMPA BAY RAYS at WASHINGTON NATIONALS
Where: Nationals Park
Gametime: 7:05 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN2, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500 AM), XM 187
Weather: Mostly clear, 93 degrees, Wind 5 mph out to CF

NATIONALS (38-27)
LF Steve Lombardozzi
CF Bryce Harper
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche

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156 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    Stras will be dealing!!!! GYFNG!!!

  2. Section 222 - Jun 20, 2012 at 7:49 PM

    So nice to have a true stopper in the rotation. Strasburg has been as good as advertised, and more. Can you imagine coming up for your major league debut and finding out that the opposing pitcher is none other than a candidate for best in the game?

  3. smurff - Jun 20, 2012 at 7:55 PM

    Chris Archer is 4-8 in 14 games this year at Durham. 76 innings, 90 SO, 45 walks. 4.81 ERA, 1.43 WHIP.

  4. Jimmy - Jun 20, 2012 at 7:56 PM

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  5. NatsLady - Jun 20, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    From Twitter, Rays lineup.Marc Topkin ‏@TBTimes_Rays#Rays lineup: Jennings lf, Pena 1b, Upton cf, Matsui rf, Zobrist 2b, Johnson ss, Molina c, S-Rod 3b, Archer p

  6. Steady Eddie - Jun 20, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    Thinking about the Wang debates on the last couple of threads, if and when a decision was made to cut our losses there, I suspect that Rizzo would want to trade him for whatever he could get (maybe as part of a package), because if you DFA him you pay his full salary but you can't do anything to control where he goes. That could be the worst of both worlds — if he goes to another NL team and starts to do OK (you don't have to be Justin Verlander to plow through our lineup), we could be paying another team for him to knock us out of contention.So regardless of what we may or may not be able to get for him, I would think a trade before DFA.

  7. JD - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:01 PM

    Steady, As of now you won't get anything for him; no one will even take on his salary for the rest of the year.

  8. NatsFanGino - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    I think Wang should go on the DL and work things out in Viera and then the minors.. Maybe he will have it figured out by the time Strasburg hits his innings limit.

  9. smurff - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:09 PM

    Send him to the Cubs (eating his salary) as part of a package for Dempster. Eating his salary is about the only way anyone would take him on.

  10. Section 222 - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    I fear that JD is right. No one will give us anything for him. However, if someone picks him up off waivers they have to assume his salary, right? So if another team is interested, maybe a deal can be made where we get a low level prospect in exchange for picking up part of the remaining salary.

  11. Section 222 - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM

    I'm sure the Cubs will get a better offer for Dempster than CM Wang.

  12. A DC Wonk - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM

    Hey all, two quick questions:1. When "the glove incident" occured, I was in the care listening to Charlie and Dave. As Peralta was talking off the mound, they said he tipped his cap to the Nats dugout. Anybody catch that? If so, was it a tip like "oh well, you guys got me" or was it a "you guys are jerks for betraying confidences" kind of a tip?2. I also missed, completely, this batters eye incident I've seen mentioned. Can somebody fill me in on that one?Thanks all!GYFNG!

  13. Theophilus T. S. - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    The best outcome for the Wang situation is that he remembers how to pitch. JD is right; no one else wants him — right now. Eventually, however, someone will; I note that the Mariners have called up Oliver Perez.According to reports, all of Wang's problems revolve around "mechanics." It amazes me how players who've been in the league for years, have been successful, and are getting paid $MM to play can "forget" their mechanics. There have to be tera-gigabytes of Wang available for him to watch on his iPhone and remind him what he needs to do to be successful. It makes me pretty unsympathetic when players say they just need to figure out how to get their groove back.

  14. erocks33 - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    Mark says,So instead it'll be righty Chris Archer making his big-league debut. Smurff says,Chris Archer is 4-8 in 14 games this year at Durham. 76 innings, 90 SO, 45 walks. 4.81 ERA, 1.43 WHIP.Of course, this means that the Nats will have zero base runners thru 4, possibly 5 innings. Then they'll scratch a hit or two around a couple of walks, and thru 6 it'll be knotted up at 1 each. Man, I hope I am SO wrong on this …

  15. greg - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    what sec 222 said.not only will the cubs get much better offers, why would they be interested in wang at all? it's not like he's young or anything. wang has very little trade value unless and until he starts pitching well. and at that point, he'd likely have more value to the nats than he would return in a trade.

  16. greg - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:21 PM

    theophilus, if it was that easy to "get your groove back," then everyone would be great. it's hard enough to get that groove the first time. you make it sound like wang is just being lazy and should try harder.

  17. Steady Eddie - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    Of course no one would pick up Wang's salary now. I think if absolutely necessary Rizzo would be more prepared to eat that as a bet he made that didn't pan out than with Lannan, where his $5 million in our arbitration "victory" was mostly an unavoidable payment for past services rendered more than anything else.And as for the "no one would take him off our hands at any price" — are you kidding? When Marquis was picked up by the Pads after torching his spot in the Twins' rotation? Sorry, that's letting your entirely understandable frustration with his pitch-to-pitch inconsistency blind you to what some teams will see, which is the fact that he can still locate and throw good pitches, even if he can't consistently do it from one pitch to the next. There will be teams out of contention already that look at what he did last September — which wasn't great but it was better than what many teams have at the bottom of their rotations — and say, "he's still physically capable of bringing it, so if it's at low cost, we're happy to take on the experiment of fixing him." Who knows what we'd get for that — non-contending teams are not going to give up quality prospects for that kind of gamble — but if you add Bernadina and a middling but blocked prospect of ours, we could get something decent back.

  18. Tcostant - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    I also heard Charlie and Dave sayd the tip of the hat thing, but I didn't see it.The batters eye was a few innings earlier. The Nationals have some ad in the OF that "flips" to an ad between innings, but as the inning starts it goes back to solid. Some how it got stuck and the Nationals needed to send a mantanice worker out there and he put a tarp over it (Once he couldn't get it to flip back). Clear as mud?

  19. Section 222 - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    Wonk, you can see the hat tip at about 2:35 of this clip. From the opposite angle on the replay last night it was clear he said something too, but he didn't look that pissed. So hard to interpet I think. Maybe something like, "thanks alot, you #$%holes." But you be the judge.As for the batters eye, the normal green background above the triangle of turf in CF becomes a red and white ad for tickets in between innings. Basically a series of panels rotates to be green during play and the ad during breaks. For some reason it didn't switch back, and the Rays complained, justifiably in my view. Apparently, they have a plan B in place for just such a mechanical snafu because a Nats employee made his way across the wall and lowered a green drape over the ad. Problem solved and play continued. I've seen comments today that the snafu occurred well before the complaint, and although I doubt that was the case, I can't say that from personal knowledge. I just didn't notice it from section 314.

  20. Doc - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    If the Nats can't beat up on this Chris Archer cat, the offense of this club should be all switched with the guys from Hagerstown.

  21. ChiefWJ - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    Re: placing Wang on waivers.I think at this stage of the season, all waivers are irrevocable, so the Nats can't put him out there to see if a team would be interested in giving something up other $20,000. Only after the expiration of the trade deadline can waivers be "trade waivers" that allow you to pull the player back.Not to say Rizzo can't work the phones.See: http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Waivers#Trade_Waivers

  22. natsfan1a - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    Wonk, the Peralta hat tip was mentioned on the tv broadcast, but I missed it. However, I thought I saw Maddon tip (i.e., briefly touch the tip of) his cap to Johnson after the Mattheus glove- and hat-check.The other issue was a red and white advertising sign that was supposed to rotate to a plain green background before play resumed, but it did not. The Rays commented on it, and a Nats employee then lowered a green tarp over it (which must be the backup plan in case of malfunction).On a game note: Maybe the hot temps will help the Nats bats to heat up, and Strasburg's heat will make the Rays bats go cold. Ummm…to clarify: that would be the throwing kind of heat, not the ointment kind of heat. We don't want any issues out there. :-)

  23. natsfan1a - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    Oh, tcostant and sec222 already had it. Maybe I'll just go have a smoothie. :-)

  24. JD - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    Steady, The difference is Marquis was picked up off waivers. Sure someone will pick up CMW if we release him but they won't give you anything decent back. I can easily see Bernadina succeeding elsewhere if given an opportunity to play every day in a no pressure environment; he will never be a start but he may be a decent every day player.

  25. Unknown - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    Wang has absolutely no trade value unless he was included in a package that included Strasburg and Harper. Rizzo, be a big boy and admit your mistakes.

  26. Unknown - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    Joe Madden has called Davey Johnson a "weird wuss".

  27. Section 222 - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:47 PM

    1a, no worries. The more takes the merrier on such weighty questions as hat tips and batter's eye malfunctions.

  28. JamesFan - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    We know Stras doesn't do well in the mud. Tonight we find out if he can handle the heat of a Washington summer. Hope so.

  29. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:49 PM

    Wang to mop up and Detwiler a starter.

  30. baseballjones - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    erock33 – I was preparing a response to smurff pretty much exactly along the lines you put together. It is incredibly frustrating how excited we get to be sending a concensus top 10 pitcher in baseball in the faint hope that he can hold the opposing lineup to two runs or less, while the other teams seem to consistently achieve the same result against our hitters simply by trotting out the latest warm body …

  31. JaneB - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    On twitter from Kilgore: Wang in the bullpen, Det in the dugout on the rotation. I like it. Like that matters.

  32. Unknown - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    To clarify the Joel "Sticky Fingers" Peralta situation, he was not re-signed by the Nats after the 2010 season, despite pitching well, because he wanted a two year contract and the Nationals were only interested in a one year contract.

  33. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    Should I prepare a care package of chocolate chip cookies for Ross? Just in case he needs to build up his strength?

  34. JD - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    Steve, That's a good move short term. Wang will either regain his effectiveness or set off into the sunset; my issue is as follows: who is the 5th starter in August? and that's assuming Det does well in his starts.

  35. hiramhover - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:57 PM

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  36. hiramhover - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:58 PM

    I'm a little surprised to see Mark's tweet–Det to start Sunday, Wang to BP, but there you go.I'll be interested to see Mark's full report: whether Davey posed this as a permanent change, a one-shot thing for Sunday, or a "we're taking it one start at a time" deal.

  37. Unknown - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    Wang is no value in the bullpen, except as a mop up guy. It takes him a half hour to warm up plus two or three innings of game action. DFA him now.

  38. JD - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    I think this is Det's big moment. If he doesn't prove he belongs in the rotation he will wind up in the pen for good and Rizzo will rebuild the bottom of the rotation from the outside.

  39. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    I love Davey!Mark Zuckerman‏@MarkZuckermanDavey on Maddon: " I don't know him that well, but I thought he was a weird wuss anyways."Marc Topkin‏@TBTimes_Rays#Nats Johnson calls Maddon's comments "interesting reading" + he didn't want to get into "shouting match" w/him cuz Maddon has "a tweeter"

  40. JD - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    hiramhover,If this was last year it would make sense to exhaust all efforts in an attempt to discover the old CMW. If we aspire to contend this year we can't keep giving away games; quite clearly Det > CMW so that's how it must be played.

  41. NatsLady - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Beachy to have Tommy John surgery Thursday.The Braves clobbered the Yanks. Hughes gave up 6 earned in 4 1/2 innings, including 4 homeruns.His ERA is now 4.94. Guess he needs to go to the bullpen…Oh, wait–Nats couldn't do anything with him. The ONLY game he didn't give up a HR was in Washington.

  42. NatsLady - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:05 PM

    'm a little surprised to see Mark's tweet–Det to start Sunday, Wang to BP, but there you go.Rizzo just about said that this morning. Said they would do whatever they needed to get Wang to get where he needs to be, including putting him in the bullpen.

  43. hiramhover - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:10 PM

    NatsLadyYeah, as I say, I'm a little surprised but not floored. I'm more curious about what they see as the path forward–for the long term, the BP doesn't seem a viable option for CMW. If they can get a few good BP appearances out of him–and that's a big if–I wonder if it would be a prelude to returning him to the rotation, or trading him.

  44. Gonat - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:13 PM

    Beachy to have Tommy John. He has been the Braves best pitcher

  45. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:13 PM

    Hughes looked like Cy Young against us, and wworse than Wang against the Braves. Just goes to show you how poor in general our hitting has been.Lets get ready to win the next 5 games 1 at a time.

  46. NatsLady - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:17 PM

    Gotta be more to it than that. He only got a one-year with his next team. Another article I read said the Nats non-tendered him to avoid paying him arbitration. Also, if you have MLB.tv, take a look at the interaction between Davey and Storen in the dugout… It's almost like Storen is giving Davey a nod of approval–and wasn't Storen here in the summer of 2010…debut May 2010, a month before Peralta came up?

  47. Gonat - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    Does anyone think the Yankees are upset Melky Cabrera is lighting it up in San Francisco?I also agree with those that don't think you want to worry about Wang or HenRod being a star somewhere else. Doubtful it will happen.

  48. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:23 PM

    Really Joe Maddon is acting like a 3 year old at this point.HoldenKushner‏@HoldenradioJoe Maddon talking. "If I'm a major league player who might want to play for the Nationals I might think twice".

  49. NatsLady - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:23 PM

    I don't have as much faith in Detwiler as you all seem to have. He hasn't shown he can go three (or even two) times through the line-up on a regular basis. I feel at this point he is a lefty Stammen–and that's very useful, don't get me wrong. If Davey and Cat can't fix Wang by the trade deadline they will have to go outside.

  50. Gonat - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:25 PM

    Manassas Nats' Fan said… Hughes looked like Cy Young against us, and wworse than Wang against the Braves. Just goes to show you how poor in general our hitting has been.Lets get ready to win the next 5 games 1 at a time. June 20, 2012 5:13 PM _________________________________Hughes threw 75 pitches in the 4th inning. Sure, the Braves hit 4 bombs off of Hughes. Until Zim starts going in the 3 hole, its going to be a while before we see a 10 run game.

  51. Ron In Reston - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:25 PM

    I'm certainly rooting for both Detwiler AND Wang. I think they are making the right move in sending Wang to the pen and letting Detwiler start again. However, my concern is Detwiler killing our bullpen. In his nine starts earlier this season, he averaged 5 1/3 IP per start. He had four starts of just five innings, two of six, one 6 1/3 and one 4 1/3. This is not what you want out of a starter, especially since he'll be pitching in front of Strasburg, who is on an innings limit, so is more likely to come out after six just to keep him in the rotation as long as we can. True, Detwiler has been outstanding out of the pen….but that's in two inning bits. Last night's 3 2/3 was the most he's pitched since he went to the pen. I hope McCatty can figure out how to get him over the hump and pitching into the 7th on a consistent basis, otherwise he's not going to be doing us much better.

  52. pRAA - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:29 PM

    According to reports, all of Wang's problems revolve around "mechanics." It amazes me how players who've been in the league for years, have been successful, and are getting paid $MM to play can "forget" their mechanics.Pitching mechanics aren't like riding a bike. You can't get hurt, miss a couple of years and then just pick back up like nothing happened. Especially when you were pitching at the highest possible level before your long layoff. It's like for instance a world-class violinist like Joshua Bell suffering a shoulder injury and having to not play at all for several years. Sure, once he comes back he'll probably be able to scratch out a tune before long, but it's going to take a long, long time until he gets back to where he was. And he doesn't even have to deal with a batter trying to take a knock out of every note he plays.

  53. Gonat - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:34 PM

    Ron in Reston, seems like you can look at it hoping optimisticly or pessimisticly that Detwiler will pitch better and longer into the games than Wang.Some like neither as the #5. I prefer a trade as Strasburg is projected to hit 165 innings the first week of September.Eventually it will be Gio, JZim, EJax, #4, #5 and that is a reality that Rizzo has to deal with.

  54. Doc - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    Maddon, from his association with Scosia and Brendan Donelly and the set-to with Frank, must be something of an expert on pine tar.I love this war of words between Davey and Maddon. I think that we should call it the Wuss War.Maybe get Desi to let the air out of the tires of the Rays' airport bus.Hey guys, let's win biiiiiiig to-night!!!!GoooooooooooooooooNats!

  55. hiramhover - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    pRAAI agree about the mechanics in general, but remember, CMW did pitch ok–well enough for a #5 starter, certainly–in 11 starts last year. So we're not talking about someone who hasn't done this in ages.

  56. JD - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:47 PM

    NatsLady, I am far from convinced that Det is the answer. He is just less likely to blow up than CMW at this time. He has a decent ERA but his peripherals are very so so (low BABIP – implies he's been lucky, 6 to 3 K to BB ratio WHIP is 1.21). I would contact the Cubs now about Dempster; Epstein may want to squeeze more by waiting until 7/31 but it's worth a try. I would dangle an interesting but iffy prospect like Eury Perez along with Bernadina but withdraw such an offer if they don't pull the trigger by 7/1.

  57. ehay2k - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:50 PM

    My two cents (and overvalued at that!) on Wang: Formerly very good pitcher working his way back, and could regain his old form. However, I do not want a pitcher that makes me cringe whenever he runs to cover first, or has to run the bases. Would rather develop other talent.

  58. Section 222 - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    Joe Maddon talking. "If I'm a major league player who might want to play for the Nationals I might think twice". Yeah, good luck with that Joe. The chance to play on a dynasty with Strasburg, Gio, Zim, and Harper is far outweighed by some bizarre old school notion of when it's ok to call out a cheater on the other team. Right.If Drew is the guy who ratted out Joel, good for him. I'll bet he doesn't employ foreign substances to make himself better.

  59. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:01 PM

    Play in a dome in Tampa that can't sell out or attract a crowd of any size? Have zero payroll? Or as 222 says.. Play with Stras, Gio, Zim's, and Harper.And what the HECK! Peralta? He is out there HUGGING ALL THE NATS PLAYERS ON MLB NETWORK!!!

  60. A DC Wonk - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    However, my concern is Detwiler killing our bullpen.Agreed. OTOH, so was Wang!============Thanks for the tip/hat batter/eye responses, all!

  61. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    Okay.. Blow by Blow on MLB Network.Maddon has annoyed Bowa and Mitch Williams. AND THEY are going to town on MADDON! Mitch doesn't want to play for Maddon because of the costumes. And Bowa is calling him out for Maddon just saying "I am sticking up for my guy". Bowa – every manager does that!This is just CLASSIC! (Oh and Kruk last night was totally okay with Davey doing this and was ticked at Maddon for going after Mattheus)

  62. NatsLady - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    From Twitter:David Huzzard ‏@DavidHuzzardSo if Nats offer Bourn more money & enough years to take him to the end of his career he may not come because Davey checked Peralta's glove?thom loverro ‏@thomloverroAnd if #Rays owners could, they would move the franchise to Rockville to get out of Tampa #Nationals @ESPNRadio980ETC… Some funny stuff, definitely not running in Maddon's favor.

  63. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:13 PM

    Tulo is having groin surgery.. HMMM.. spot may open up for Ian in the Allstar game.

  64. NatsLady - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:15 PM

    RMooneyTrib ‏@RMooneyTribDavey Johnson when asked if there would be any carry over with the #Rays: 'no, not speaking for the guru over there.'

  65. NatsLady - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM

    Apparently Joe Maddon wasn't above calling out Joe Blanton in the WS, in 2008. Thought he had "something on his hat."joe-maddon-doesnt-believe-joe-blantonhttp://www.aolnews.com/2008/10/28/joe-maddon-doesnt-believe-joe-blanton/

  66. NatsLady - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

    Too bad on Tulo. I liked him, especially when he took Clip to the All-Star game in his private jet, I thought that was classy.From ESPN:PHILADELPHIA — Colorado Rockies shortstop Troy Tulowitzki will have surgery on his left groin area on Thursday and it's unknown when he'll return.Tulowitzki was injured May 30 against Houston, pulling up after running out an infield grounder. The All-Star shortstop took himself out of a game last Wednesday at Triple-A Colorado Springs after feeling not quite right.Rockies manager Jim Tracy says a timetable for Tulowitzki's return won't be known until he has the surgery. The operation will be performed by Dr. William Meyers in Philadelphia.Tulowitzki has won the Gold Glove, Silver Slugger Award and gone to the All-Star game each of the last two years. He was batting .287 with eight homers and 27 RBIs.

  67. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    Am I the only guy who expects Joe "Idiot" Maddon to pull some funny business tonight? He's got this kid rookie pitcher who would do anything he's told. If Maddon tells the kid to whiz one by Lombo's back, he'll have to do it.Personally, I wouldn't get into a beanball war with Jesus on the mound. But I'm not Maddon. Like Davey says, he's a "weird wuss."

  68. ehay2k - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Great find Natslady! Maddon was probably only violating a "partially unwritten rule" in the case of Blanton.

  69. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Sunshine… If something happens, I expect the Goon Squad to come out in force to protect Stras – even the ones on the DL

  70. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:52 PM

    @MicheleS: I agree on the Goon Squad as backup. they've got to. But I expect some early wildness from this kid Archer.I also agree on the chocolate chip cookies for Det. Might get his height/weight up to 6-5, 195! Right now he's got the Body Mass Index of a spider!When are going to a game? How about Tuesday night July 3, a 6:30 start?

  71. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    Sunshine.. will not be there on 7/3 will be at Wolf Trap that night.

  72. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:59 PM

    Note to the American League: Yup, Thank Davey! You can check Peralta (one of the best relievers on the Rays) whenever you want now!

  73. Candide - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:08 PM

    Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me said…Am I the only guy who expects Joe "Idiot" Maddon to pull some funny business tonight?Carp just said the umps aren't going to put up with any crazy stuff tonight. Won't check anyone unless they themselves see something suspicious.

  74. UnkyD - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:12 PM

    Stopberg….

  75. A DC Wonk - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    Umm . . . slight difference in pitching quality in the first inning between tonight and last night?Tonight: four batters up, one person hits it fair. To shortstop. Two K's and one BB.That's our stopper!Go Stras!GYFNG!

  76. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:18 PM

    Lombo looks like Kazoo with that helmet on.

  77. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:21 PM

    A good Kazoo.Take that, Idiot Maddon!Bryce yourself!

  78. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:23 PM

    Snicker…

  79. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:23 PM

    Bo Porter has some hops!

  80. Candide - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:24 PM

    Would have been yet another Zimm DP if Harper had been on first.

  81. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:25 PM

    Bo Porter to Zim: Hey I know you! It's been awhile!

  82. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:25 PM

    Looks like Idiot Maddon's kid pitcher needs a boatload of pine tar, vaseline, several razors and a big Gaylord Perry hocker to get through this inning.

  83. NatsLady - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:26 PM

    Such a well-coached team, LOL. NOT–lead the AL in errors!

  84. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:28 PM

    Okay.. want to give props to Mark Lerner, sitting in his normal seats on the 1b side. If I owned the team, with this heat, I would be in air conditioning. Sorry, i hate heat.

  85. sm13 - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    Desmond and Harper are carrying this offense. 3 runs for Stras are like 7 runs for "normal" pitchers – Stras runs are like dog years.

  86. NatsLady - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:33 PM

    See, now me. I hate air-conditioning. Just went to Panera's and ate outside. It was great.

  87. peric - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:34 PM

    I wouldn't worry about Wang … he's headed for the DL or is a DFA candidate. Someone will have to go for Storen and you can almost bet on who that is now.

  88. peric - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:38 PM

    Looks like Idiot Maddon's kid pitcher needs a boatload of pine tar, vaseline, several razors and a big Gaylord Perry hocker to get through this inning.Archer is considered by many to be a pretty decent starting pitching prospect.Speaking of which, I'll be interested to see how Perry does in Harrisburg as a starter. He seemed better suited to that role in ST.

  89. MicheleS - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:45 PM

    And Sunshine.. Totally not happy about missing 7/3. That's the tweet up night and I am a sucker for free stuff.

  90. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:55 PM

    @MicheleS: Blow off Wolf Trap! C'mon out to the game!Seriously, we'll do it another time. I get my night job schedule three weeks ahead, so we'll pick a date. Saturdays and Sundays don't work too well for me, but weeknights would.

  91. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:57 PM

    Strasburgs fastball command sucks.

  92. mick - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:02 AM

    what the heck, now we get runs and are ace starts getting shelled!

  93. phil dunton - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:04 AM

    San Diego native Strasburg doesn't like this weather in the swamp!

  94. MicheleS - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:08 AM

    Famous fan of Tampa.. Dickey V.. famous fan in the Nats seat tonight.. Chef Jose Andres (for those of you that might not know – Jaleo, Minibar, Oyamel). Always go with the guy that can cook for you!

  95. mick - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:10 AM

    had enough of R Zim?????

  96. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:11 AM

    Weirdest summer promotion ticket promotion:The Mets tied the ticket price for some top seats this weekend against the New York Yankees to the gametime temperature Wednesday night.With heat advisories posted in the city, it was 94 degrees when the Mets started against Baltimore, and that meant a nice savings for fans.It will now be $94 for left-field reserved seats at Citi Field on Friday night, down from the usual $115. It also will be $94 for field boxes Sunday night, cut from the regular $136. I hope the Lerners don't hear about this. They'll be doing the same for those "capitol view" $5 gems.

  97. mick - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    Like I said yesterday when it was 5-2, game over, I was correct. If we lose 2 or are swept by the Rays (AT HOME!!!) we will struggle to win 82 games.

  98. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    Let see Zim hits into another double pla. Come on this is getting old. LaRoche takes a thrid strike again. that is getting old. Zim would have hit inot a double play i the first had Harper been on first. We are playing only 7 hitters tonight?

  99. mick - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:18 AM

    Hey maybe Zim can set the all time record for hitting into DP's?

  100. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:18 AM

    zim needs to trade places with Ian. Zim is hitting the ball on the ground right at the shortstop lately a lot. Tiill he gets hot move him to 6th. He is getting a nickname of double play machine on twitter.

  101. mick - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:20 AM

    that would be a draw, I'm serious, maybe when he breaks the record he can go around the stadium like Cal did , except he should do it two times in the spirit of the moment (lol)

  102. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    OK first two batter hit the ball on nose, since then Desi had a dinky hit. 6 ks's 4 looking. Is this kid Doc Gooden?Only other hard hit was harper foul.

  103. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    Lombo! Just saying.

  104. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:53 AM

    Actually, since the first inning the kid has completely out piitched Stras.

  105. Candide - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:56 AM

    Three-pitch bottom of the sixth.I swear, if I hear Carpenter say, "he goes up hacking…" just one more time, my TV is going to have an accident involving a window.

  106. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:56 AM

    Kid just throws a 4 pitch inning to our 2-3-4 hitters. Stras has trouble throwing a 4 pitch at bat.

  107. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:57 AM

    Not buying it NatsJack. Nats batters making him look Ace.

  108. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:59 AM

    Rays announcers crying about NL baseball and having to pull the kid for a pinch hitter.

  109. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:01 AM

    Ghost…the kids command was lights out after the first.

  110. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:01 AM

    Wah wah to Tampa

  111. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:02 AM

    Strong inning from Stras. Love it.

  112. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    NatsJack, slider was biting after the 1st. Control better. Nats batters looking bad because they just aren't that good right now.

  113. MicheleS - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:05 AM

    I can't believe the O's haven't scored AT ALL off the Mets. Geesh. Let's hope they keep that up with us over the weekend.

  114. Fear and Ignorance - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:06 AM

    Very impressed with Archer. The Rays just keep churning out the young pitchers. Price, Shields, Hellickson, Moore and Archer is one hell of a rotation!!!

  115. MicheleS - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:07 AM

    Good for Stras to go for 7. We only have the 8th with Burnett and 9th with Clipp to go.

  116. Fear and Ignorance - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:08 AM

    Is this fitting or what…you just KNOW Peralta is going to come in and get a W somehow.

  117. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:13 AM

    I think with the comment at 9:08, time to signoff.

  118. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:14 AM

    Ghost ……and as far as Stras is concerned, he faced about the worst hitting team in the AL.Apparently, hiiting is awful in the entire state of Florida. The Fish are mow only out hitting the Bucco's and the Padres.

  119. MicheleS - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:15 AM

    Ghost:Did WE Give up when the Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor! NOOOOO! Burnett and Clipp will take care of this!

  120. phil dunton - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:17 AM

    I don't have a good feeling about the outcome of this game.

  121. Soul Possession, My Hitterish Sofa - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:19 AM

    Even a blind pig roots up a truffle now and then; doesn't mean it's not still a pig. And blind.

  122. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:20 AM

    dunton….I've never heard anything from you that remotely resembles good.

  123. MicheleS - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:20 AM

    Yup Sean B.. under appreciated as always! Good Job by the crooked hat.

  124. Soul Possession, My Hitterish Sofa - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:22 AM

    NatsJack, it's not in his tweeter to resemble good.Probably lives under a bridge, is all I'm saying.

  125. MicheleS - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:22 AM

    And Peralta scurries back to the pen…

  126. Soul Possession, My Hitterish Sofa - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:22 AM

    OK, now Joe is just [messing] with them.

  127. Fear and Ignorance - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:23 AM

    Burnett should be getting serious consideration for the All-Star team. He has been so tough all year now. Not sure if Chapman may hurt his chances as a LH specialist type, but if the NL picks 2 LH relievers, I would think he has a good shot.

  128. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:23 AM

    Guys, I agree Zim is in a bad slump. And Mickey Morse is off to a slow start. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with Jesus. He gave up a solo homer, which is often does. And they scratch another run off him. And that's it for seven innings. Against a good (albeit light-hitting) club. That's a quality start in anybody's book. He's totally kept us in this game. Lay off Jesus.

  129. Soul Possession, My Hitterish Sofa - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:24 AM

    Sean is very quietly becoming this season's Clippard.

  130. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:24 AM

    And here comes The Greaseman! Joel Peralta.Let's check his underwear tonight, Davey.

  131. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:25 AM

    Peralta against Ankiel? Have we found the snitch?

  132. Soul Possession, My Hitterish Sofa - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:27 AM

    Sunshine, who was complaining about Baseball Jeezuz?

  133. Soul Possession, My Hitterish Sofa - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:28 AM

    NatsJack, if he drills him, maybe.

  134. MicheleS - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:28 AM

    Come on…we all knew that was coming. Ank was going to strike out.

  135. Soul Possession, My Hitterish Sofa - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:29 AM

    SO if you're Peralta, do you figure there's NO WAY they check him tonight, too?Oh, he's using Hellickson's glove–even better. "I have NO IDEA how that got there!"

  136. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:31 AM

    Stras is great…but he hasn't been sharp. His command of his fast ball has been hurting him.Once he gets back to hitting the knees with his cheese, he'll be unbeatable.

  137. MicheleS - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:31 AM

    Allright you Negative Nellies, I want ALL of YOU to take a big sip of Koolaid and think HAPPY Thoughts. Clipp is coming in and he will get a Save. And if you don't do that, I will let NatsLady take you out the wood shed for doubting Clipp.

  138. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    One down…

  139. Soul Possession, My Hitterish Sofa - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    And before we end this tonight, I can't believe "recourse" is still up there. C'mon, Z.

  140. RickH - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:36 AM

    Love that Clippard Kool Aid!

  141. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:36 AM

    NJ, I always respect your opinion and you're probably right. But that even shows Jesus's progress even more strikingly. He's going seven quality innings with just so-so command. Like you say, when he has that total command, he's unhittable. But I almost think winning (or going a strong seven) with less-than-your-best stuff is even more impressive. Just my two cents.

  142. MicheleS - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:36 AM

    NatsLady.. Clipp will be on 106.7 tomorrow at 11:30

  143. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:37 AM

    What a pleasure: Clipp dealing in a one-run game, and I'm not even nervous. I'm nowhere near the bourbon and Maalox tonight. Storing it up for when MPH Rod comes off the DL

  144. Candide - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:38 AM

    MicheleS, I'm out of KoolAid. Can I drink bourbon instead?

  145. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:39 AM

    Clipp just pulled a Ryne Duren! To the backstop on the fly. Love it. Now, dig in…

  146. MicheleS - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:40 AM

    Candide, just put some red color in that bourbon and you will be good to go!

  147. MicheleS - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:41 AM

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!Gosh I missed saying that! Good stuff all around!

  148. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:41 AM

    Sunshine…….thats actually what I'm saying . Just wait till he gets his fast ball command back.And dunton…..crawl back under your rock.

  149. Candide - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:41 AM

    Seven straight innings without a hit. We were lucky, ladies and gentlemen.

  150. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:41 AM

    Jesus is 9-1! Still in soul possession!And the losing streak ends."WOOO-HOOO!!!"(Copyright, MicheleS, 2011)

  151. RickH - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:42 AM

    Stopper!!!

  152. Soul Possession, My Hitterish Sofa - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:42 AM

    TM Michele

  153. Soul Possession, My Hitterish Sofa - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:43 AM

    Steve, She's up here. Look at her eyes, Steve.

  154. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:51 AM

    And Candide person……we were lucky? In order to be among the best you have to change that to "we ARE lucky".Winners are always lucky. Get used to it.

  155. Candide - Jun 21, 2012 at 2:07 AM

    Were we lucky against the Yanks Saturday when Tyler Moore was safe at home to everyone but the umpire?I'm fed up to here (hand on same plane as eyeballs) at hearing how "aggressive" we are at the plate. Hey, I can be aggressive at the plate, too. I wouldn't hit squadoosh, but who cares as long as I'm aggressive? When I hear Carp and FP speak admiringly how Harper makes adjustments, knows what he's looking for at the plate, works the pitcher, it boggles my mind how they can then get so jazzed that the rest of the lineup is "aggressive" and "going up there hacking." How about going up there with a clue?

  156. RickH - Jun 21, 2012 at 2:31 AM

    Davey said he wanted the hitters to be more "selectively" aggressive.

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