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Instant analysis: Marlins 5, Nats 3

Jul 17, 2012, 2:24 AM EST

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Edwin Jackson gave up four runs in five-plus innings.

Game in a nutshell: With a chance to pull off a series victory to open the season's second half, the Nationals instead had to settle for a split with the Marlins. They certainly had opportunities to win this one, rapping out 11 hits and putting a bunch of runners in scoring position. But they couldn't push enough of those runners across, in part because they couldn't avoid the double play. They hit into an incredible four twin-killings in the first six innings alone, two of those on well-struck line drives. This on a night when Edwin Jackson wasn't at his best. The right-hander gave up four runs in five-plus innings, all four coming in the bottom of the third. Thus, the Nats head home with a 51-36 record, their lead over the idle Braves down to 2 1/2 games.

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  1. mick - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:32 AM

    my analysis is if the Nats are counting on LaRoche to hot cleanup, another 2005 collapse will happen sooner

  2. mick - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:33 AM

    Adam you make Brian Scheinder look like Babe Ruth

  3. ExposedinDC - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:37 AM

    I like Jesus Flores…..but as a starting catcher on a championship caliber team, not so much…he is a very good backup….I am sick of everybody blaming the pitchers for our lack of base stealers caught and Jesus is a designated rally killer more often then not…we need an upgrade in that area IMHO.

  4. mick - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:40 AM

    There is a reason Ejax has played for 6 teams gang, hello!!!!

  5. jesse campion - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:41 AM

    Can anyone explain why DeRosa still see's any action on this team? Can't hit and can't field. At least Ankiel is a great fielder.

  6. mick - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:42 AM

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  7. mick - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:42 AM

    Strass, Zim and Gio are set, we really need to find 2 more pitchers. They may be in our farm system now, Detweiler could be a reliable 5th starter, but we really need another starter going into 2013 and ejax AINT IT!!!

  8. mick - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM

    jesse campion said…Can anyone explain why DeRosa still see's any action on this team? Can't hit and can't fieldjesse, this a bigger mystery than Stonehedge, lol

  9. Section 135 - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:48 AM

    If we expect to go to the postseason with Flores and Solano as catcher without making a deal we might as well shut down Strasburg now and wait till next year. Good teams fix their holes at the trade deadline. I expect Rizzo to fix ours. Also, you got to assume DeRosa is on borrowed time. The frequent at bats he's getting are letting him try to prove himself before getting DFA'd.

  10. momcd87 - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:50 AM

    Flores is NOT a major league hitter…and laroche needs to not swing at complete garbage, low and away…all the time, those two lost the game for us, can't hit

  11. momcd87 - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:53 AM

    Next 7 games are critical, we need to win 5….I'm starting to think collapse again if they blow these next 2 series…the other teams can easily sneak up on us

  12. NatsLady - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:55 AM

    Davey/Rizzo might want to reconsider on bringing Lannan up for the Saturday doubleheader. Or if he comes up, please let him pitch the afternoon game, since I won't be there.6 earned in 5 IP, including 2 HR.Chiefs box score

  13. mick - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:00 AM

    momcd87I have the same feelingI think this team could easily go into the tank in a week. But, this what Davey has to fix in 2013. We need another starting pitcher in 2013, we will have Ramos back and thus a catcher that can hit. I would keep Solano and trade Flores. I would try to deal off LaRoche if his contract allows for it and I would go with Moore at first and bring up 2-3 of our young prospects. then we are talking about a legitimate contender with no more pitching limits on Strass.We still have some unwanted garbage on this team, but Davey and Rizzo are doing a good job at the right pace to make this franchise solid.

  14. Section 222 - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:02 AM

    So before this game, E-Jax had a terrible ERA in the first inning and a very good one for the second inning on. That was an interesting stat and perhaps indicated a problem with this preparation or concentration. So today, he does fine in the first, and then has a bad inning later on. That simply is not the same thing, yet Mark asked both Davey and E-Jax if there's a pattern here — one bad inning. Probably one out of three starts, or maybe more, for any pitcher features one bad inning (often the last inning he pitches) and the rest are fine. That's not a pattern. It's baseball.

  15. mick - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:03 AM

    Ejax can not be in the long term plan and please, pretty please, Davey show HRod and Gonzales the door as well. Bring up Rosenbaum next season with Rendon and Cory Brown, If Brown does not produce next Spring then hello, get rid of him!

  16. mick - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:05 AM

    and we sign gioloto?? I mean I think we are set at pitching. So, next season, maybe a lead off hitter via a trade. we are so close

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  18. mick - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:12 AM

    I'm not writing this season off, I am just being realistic about our chances of winning the East, I do think we should make it to the playoffs, but we still have a few areas, although minor that need one more season to fix to be real contenders.I just cannot see this team winning the NL with Flores, LaRoche and Espi as starters and only 3 starting pitchers, one that has to be shut down in September. If Detweiler fails then we are down to to only two because Ejax has lost me.

  19. Fear and Ignorance - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:25 AM

    Don't look now, but here come the Phillies. Do NOT count them out. It is a good thing we built a nice lead, because the team they are putting on the field right now is better than the team we are putting on the field.

  20. whatsanattau - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:27 AM

    My goodness, one or two posters can turn this environment sour in a hurry. It's like they've just been waiting for a loss to cry about. It's really not that bad. Zimmerman is pretty hot and the Mets are not. Det, Zimm, and Gio for the next three. Desi back as soon as tomorrow (though an extra day or two would be ok with me). Let's not shoot the horse till we are sure the leg is broke. Might just need a new shoe.

  21. Feel Wood - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:29 AM

    That's not a pattern. It's baseball.It's not just baseball. It's Biblical. Genesis 1:1 "In the big inning…"

  22. peric - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:35 AM

    Part of Espinosa's sudden surge may be that he has to think about something new and different: playing shortstop again. It might behoove the Nats bats to let Desi rest a few more days and see ow this plays out. If Espy can get his bat in the same groove it was at the beginning of last year it might be a huge help.

  23. Sec.3, My Sofa - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:37 AM

    My goodness, one or two posters can turn this environment sour in a hurry.Indeed.

  24. peric - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:50 AM

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  25. peric - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:54 AM

    My goodness, one or two posters can turn this environment sour in a hurry.Indeed.It might be better if they lose first place now … instead of later after they shutdown Stras. Its something that has to be done and for many of these young players it might not be the best "environment" to manage if they are in first place and then suddenly tumble out of first because Stras is shutdown for the year.Perhaps its better to lower expectations a tad while the prospects percolate and develop …. and yes THAT DOES include Espinosa and H-Rod.

  26. Fear and Ignorance - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:57 AM

    Not only are they now just 2.5 games up in the division, but they are also just 2.5 games up for the 4th wild card and 3.5 for the 5th wild card. The hitting continues to be the Achilles' heel of this team…way too much reliance on a 19 year old. I mean, name one position on this team besides SS where the offensive production has exceeded expectations. They are pretty much healthy now, so I am hoping they can put it together for the stretch run. Time to go get some hitting help Mr. Rizzo!!!

  27. JaneB - Jul 17, 2012 at 4:19 AM

    Jeez Louise! Let's let them play and not worry about when or if they lose first place. Hold the positive thought and intention, rather than planning for disappointment on a made up schedule. They split the series against the team we couldn't beat a year ago. We see the Mets and the Braves at home, where we do well. Get a grip people! Have some kool aid! Teams win for lots of reasons, and fans BELIEVING IN THEM makes a difference,

  28. rdexposfan - Jul 17, 2012 at 4:27 AM

    The Chicken Little boys are out. The sky is falling. Nats still sport the best record in the National League. Waaahh waaahh is all I ever hear from certain posters here. The only time we ever hear from them when there is a loss. This is a good team and will be even better next year as the youngsters gain that experience. There is going to be growing pains. Enjoy it after the last few years of misery.

  29. Joe Seamhead - Jul 17, 2012 at 4:44 AM

    I just read this thread and I am amazed at the gloom and doom. JaneiB I'm filling my glass. From last fall I have said that this was going to be a dogfight with the Nats and the Braves. Fear and Ignorant, the Phillies were out of it in June and will be out of it for the next several seasons. They are old, and honestly, they stink.their defense stinks, their bullpen stinks, their starting pitching stinks, and their GM stinks. Other then that…they stink.GYFNG!!!

  30. ehay2k - Jul 17, 2012 at 6:30 AM

    Seamhead, you forgot that after they give Colbert a big fat contract, they will also be BROKE! Utley, Howard, and Hamels will cost them something like $60 million/year!!!Tick-tock, says my creaky Phillies Clock.

  31. Donald - Jul 17, 2012 at 12:15 PM

    Don't understand the pessimism here. They split a tough series on the road against their nemesis and they were in the games they lost to the end. It could easily have been a much better series, but a split on the road is nothing to sneeze at. If they can play .500 away, and .575 at home, they'll win 91 games and waltz into the playoffs.

  32. natsfan1a - Jul 17, 2012 at 12:58 PM

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  33. natsfan1a - Jul 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    Indubitably, even (takes a gulp of delicious red beverage, ahhh, that's some good [stuff]). btw, good to "see" you, whatsanattau. Have missed your posts of late. Cheers. :-)Sec.3, My Sofa said…My goodness, one or two posters can turn this environment sour in a hurry.Indeed.

  34. peric - Jul 17, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    They are pretty much healthy now, so I am hoping they can put it together for the stretch run. Time to go get some hitting help Mr. Rizzo!!!Sorry, F&I as I keep reminding you this isn't the Orioles … and where have such moves gotten them? The guy they acquired last year, Jonny Gomes, suddenly he is hitting and has 10 homers last year nada for the Nats?Let's still with Tyler Moore, Corey Brown, Mark Teahen, Jim Negrych, Carlos Rivero and Zach Walters (who is looking more and more like another Desmond / Espinosa shooting up through the top minor)The Oriole way IS NOT the right way!





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