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Game 102: Phillies at Nats

Jul 31, 2012, 9:30 PM EDT

Photo by Mark Zuckerman / NATS INSIDER
The suddenly reconfigured Phillies open a series tonight at Nationals Park.

Well, the trade deadline has come and gone and the Nationals — as expected — stuck with what they already had, electing not to give up prospects for a veteran catcher, infielder or starting pitcher and perhaps disrupt the positive chemistry that has developed inside their clubhouse.

The team they play tonight, on the other hand, looks very different than it did when the day began. The Phillies traded Shane Victorino to the Dodgers and Hunter Pence to the Giants, leaving themselves with a decimated outfield for tonight's series opener at Nationals Park.

That lineup will have to take its chances with Stephen Strasburg, coming off one of his best starts of the season (Thursday in New York). The Nats also have pinch-hitter extraordinaire Chad Tracy back from the disabled list. They sent Corey Brown back to Syracuse to clear roster space.

On the other hand, the Nationals won't have a couple of significant lineup regulars: Ryan Zimmerman and Adam LaRoche are each dealing with back spasms. Davey Johnson doesn't believe either issue is serious, and he's hopeful both will be back tomorrow, but he's left with a ridiculously short bench tonight: Tracy, Sandy Leon and the two guys with back injuries.

Plenty of updates to come, so please check back…

PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES at WASHINGTON NATIONALS
Where: Nationals Park
Gametime: 7:05 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN2, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500 AM), XM 183
Weather: Isolated storms, 85 degrees, Wind 4 mph RF to LF

NATIONALS (61-40)
2B Steve Lombardozzi
RF Bryce Harper
SS Danny Espinosa
LF Michael Morse

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201 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. MicheleS - Jul 31, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    Don't get cute tonight Boys. Step on the Phillies throats!GYFNG!

  2. JT - Jul 31, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    Espinosa 3rd? Not sure about that move. I think I'd put Moore 3rd, DeRosa 5th and Espinosa 6th, but (lol) what do I know.

  3. peric - Jul 31, 2012 at 9:40 PM

    Speed in the first three slots and in the eighth. Good hitting pitcher @9. And the RedSox trade Lars Andedrson to the Indians for Steven Wright a knuckeballer.

  4. peric - Jul 31, 2012 at 9:42 PM

    In other words Davey is hedging his bets and thinking he may have to manufacture runs tonight.

  5. Pilchard - Jul 31, 2012 at 9:45 PM

    Looks like the kind of line-up you would have seen in a B game in Spring Training.Love the Nats, but if someone said that the Nats would be opening the series against the Phillies on July 31 without Ryan Zimmerman, Adam LaRoche, Jayson Werth and Wilson Ramos, the conventional wisdom that the Nats would be the team that would be 16 games out. Crazy season.

  6. Faraz Shaikh - Jul 31, 2012 at 9:52 PM

    let's hope Danny continues to own Lee tonight.

  7. baseballswami - Jul 31, 2012 at 9:53 PM

    Hope we don't need much in the way of pinch hitters tonight.Might have to have pitchers come in and hit. Who are these two teams by the way? If you had looked at these two line ups in the off season you might not have recognized the teams right away.

  8. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 31, 2012 at 9:57 PM

    I thought Steven Wright was a dry humored comedian. You mean he throws a knuckleball, too?

  9. Swift Eagle - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:01 PM

    Haha Jack, I remember that guy!! "I put instant coffee in my microwave and I went back in time" Comedians are like pitchers, all about the delivery…

  10. ChiefWJ - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:02 PM

    Stras can hit for himself before he comes out. No double-switching tonite.

  11. #4 - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:05 PM

    Rollins, Pierre, Utley, Howard, and Ruiz is still a pretty formidable top five.

  12. Swift Eagle - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    Ironic that the commercial they keep showing during the Olympic coverage contains the Lou Gehrig Speech…considering the Olympics booted baseball in favor of "sports" like horseback riding, air rifle, and ballroom dance…

  13. baseballswami - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    Agreed #4– no major league team should ever be overlooked. They will have a huge chip on their shoulders, guys called up want to show they can play. No game is ever a sure thing . Ever, ever,ever.

  14. natsfan1a - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    Just approach it as you would any other game vs. a division opponent. Go, SS! Go, NATS!!

  15. MicheleS - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    Mark is sweating profusely on the field. Getting ready for a CSN spot.

  16. peric - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:21 PM

    Just approach it as you would any other game vs. a division opponent. Go, SS! Go, NATS!!They must all of those teams that improved themselves are right on their tails. They've got to nail down the coffin lid for the Phillies and the Fish or its won't be pretty.

  17. The Fox - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:22 PM

    Is Placido Polanco hurt or was he traded? Who is Kevin Frandsen?

  18. JD - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:22 PM

    #4, I agree completely. If SS is on I am pretty confident but of course Cliff Lee is capable of throwing a gem as well.

  19. hiramhover - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    FoxPolanco on DL, Frandsen was called up from AAA a few days ago.And for my own part – can I just say how awesome it is to have the trade deadline passed, and an actual Nats game to discuss again!

  20. The Fox - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    Polanco on the DL, Frandsen is 30 and the Phillies brought him up on the 27th. He was an Iron Pig.

  21. baseballswami - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    I actually hate all the stuff about this week will define our season, if we lose this series our season is over,this is a make or break road trip, etc. Been hearing it week after week and series after series. I hope the team continues with the same attitude that it's one game.I think it's part of what has worked for them. They don't panic, they forget losses and move on. What a crazy day it's been in the baseball world.

  22. The Fox - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:34 PM

    Thanks Hiramhover, just looked it up. Trying to remember who the regular back up was for them. I would have to think most Philly fans would have to feel disheartened. Sure they new they were not going to compete but management, and maybe rightly so waved a white flag today that let everyone know the run is over.I will have to give them credit they created there own market by selling two players to opposing team. So of like selling guns to both sides in a war.

  23. Frediemac - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:36 PM

    Lots of other teams got better today just to see if they can beat the Nationals

  24. MicheleS - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    Frediemac has the post of the day!

  25. The Fox - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    baseballswami I agree with you. None of these games are any more important then others. In fact you could argue beating good teams will give the players more confidence. Only the games left with the Braves are MORE important because of the 2 game swing. If I had to pick when the Nats get hot it would be the end of September/October not July.

  26. ExposedinDC - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    Uh oh RZ plays unless he is injured and Davey and the boys are not always completely honest with the severity of injuries….hoping it's a one day rest thing but generally with Zim it's a 3 to 5 day thing

  27. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    I'll wait to see how it all shakes out before declaring anybody improved themselves.The Marlins "improved themselves" in the off season and how'd that work out?

  28. JD - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    Fox, It's really August already so I don't mind if we stay hot for a while longer.

  29. #4 - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    For those worried about the catcher situation, below is a list of the WS winning catchers for the last 17 years (that's as far as I felt like going back). I have to say that every team had a pretty darn good catcher, certainly better than Flores. Even Damian Miller had a very good year in 2001.2011 – Yadier Molina2010 – Buster Posey2009 – Posada/Molina, B,/ Cervelli2008 – Carlos Ruiz2007 – Jason Varitek2006 – Yadier Molina2005 – A. J. Pierzynski2004 – Jason Varitek2003 – Ivan Rodriquez2002 – Bengie Molina2001 – Damian Miller2000 – Jorge Posada1999 – Jorge Posada1998 – Jorge Posada1997 – Charles Johnson1996 – Joe Girardi

  30. baseballswami - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:49 PM

    Last year in August the Cardinals were nowhere in the discussion of post season. The Phil's were the juggernaut. It's just way too soon to know.60 games to go and that us a lot. I like how this team doesn't get ahead of itself. Wish I could be more like them, actually.

  31. #4 - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    Sorry. Last 16 years.

  32. waddu eye no - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:56 PM

    Looks good from sec 229

  33. baseballswami - Jul 31, 2012 at 10:59 PM

    How does the ratio of curly W's to capital P's look?

  34. MicheleS - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:00 PM

    Excellent Anthem tonight. The BrothersFlanagan did a great job

  35. The Fox - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:05 PM

    JD,The Nats can stay hot for the rest of the year and I'll be fine with that. I do think if they play .600 ball they will win the East and for the last month they have played better then that. Factoring out injuries which can derail any team, I think this team gets better from here not worse. I sure hope I'm right.

  36. natsfan1a - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:08 PM

    Maybe CSN needs to give him an IV before these games. :-)MicheleS said… Mark is sweating profusely on the field. Getting ready for a CSN spot. July 31, 2012 6:17 PM

  37. natsfan1a - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:11 PM

    Wait, is there an echo in here? :-)natsfan1a said… Seconded. Remember in the offseason, when the Marlins were spending like crazy and getting ready to open their stadium? Lots of folks thought they'd improved their team as well. How's that working out for them? hmmm… MicheleS said… Unknown, time will tell who improved their teams. July 31, 2012 4:38 PM NatsJack in Florida said… I'll wait to see how it all shakes out before declaring anybody improved themselves. The Marlins "improved themselves" in the off season and how'd that work out? July 31, 2012 6:44 PM

  38. Swift Eagle - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:11 PM

    1st place 4-6-3 right there WOW!!

  39. JD - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:12 PM

    Nice play Lombo.

  40. Swift Eagle - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    Whoa, a fist pump from Stras…almost a show of emotion from the Bad A**-Stras Lol

  41. Secret wasian man - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:24 PM

    wow what an awful lineup. are we even trying tonight?

  42. Schumatrix - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:34 PM

    Who is Kevin Frandsen??

  43. JD - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:35 PM

    I don't know but why are we giving up runs with 1st base open and the pitcher on deck?

  44. Schumatrix - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:36 PM

    JD, see my above comment…

  45. Old Wino - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:37 PM

    Relax, there is a plan. I hope.

  46. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM

    Horrible execution on his change up since the one to Rollins in the first.

  47. mick - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:49 PM

    Strass does have good stuff tonight. I really don't care for this lazy unpire

  48. JD - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:49 PM

    Not sharp tonight.

  49. mick - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:49 PM

    Lee can be hit tonight and I think we will hit him

  50. peric - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:50 PM

    Lots of other teams got better today just to see if they can beat the Nationals.True. But not just in games or series but organizationally. All seem to following the Rizzo/Clark/Minniti plan.

  51. NatsLady - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:51 PM

    Gotta get another catcher.

  52. mick - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:52 PM

    come on Jesus, I have been defending you and you make a throw like that…

  53. peric - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:52 PM

    DeRosa not looking all that good at third base. Fortunately, there is Carlos Rivero in September. But shortstop is a bit scary right now.

  54. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:52 PM

    And another series of no checks on the runner. Both times Pierre was running before Stephen started his delivery.

  55. Swift Eagle - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    Agree NL, bad throw on the 2nd one, but both steals are on Stras, Pierre had him timed perfectly…Of course, Pierre also was given a 4th strike by McClellan..

  56. mick - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    natsjack… good point, you gotta at least let the base runner know you see him

  57. JD - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:54 PM

    Peric, You make it sound like rocket science. Teams which are out of it traded away pieces for prospects. This has been going on for eternity.

  58. peric - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:54 PM

    Gotta get another catcher.Unless its a prospect they seem to have all that they need once Solano recovers. And then … there's Wilson Ramos next year hopefully.Are you saying they need a new top prospect to replace him?

  59. ExposedinDC - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:55 PM

    "we like who we are"………….apparently so does opposing base runners

  60. NatsLady - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:55 PM

    Agree the steals are on Stras. And glad Flo got a nice hit. But I worry that he is tired and hurting.

  61. peric - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:55 PM

    Stras looks none too happy right now …

  62. mick - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:55 PM

    so have the Marlins decided to try to get the 1st draft pick next season, lol

  63. mick - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:56 PM

    Is there an ax Ozzie watch in Miami…. lol

  64. peric - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:57 PM

    Agree the steals are on Stras. And glad Flo got a nice hit. But I worry that he is tired and hurting.He may need time on the DL. Doubt he'll go for it but it looks more and more like he is pretty beat up.

  65. NatsLady - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    LOL, Stras baserunning!

  66. peric - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    so have the Marlins decided to try to get the 1st draft pick next season, lolNot so much that as getting a larger bonus pool to use to sign draft picks.

  67. Swift Eagle - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:59 PM

    Honestly, the Braves are getting to be obnoxious…nobody's supposed to win every game!

  68. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:59 PM

    Strasburg looks tickled to death with his base hit.

  69. Swift Eagle - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:00 AM

    McClellan's strike zone appears to be the size of a paper plate at this point….

  70. NatsLady - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:00 AM

    Seems like we could still get Torrealba, right? Even if you want to bring up Hill, you need someone to replace him, and he gets used to our signs, system, etc.

  71. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:02 AM

    Just got that annoying MASN text seconds before Harper K'd.

  72. Swift Eagle - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:04 AM

    Strasburg has deceptive speed…Even SLOWER than he looks..

  73. JD - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:06 AM

    Dammit

  74. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:07 AM

    It's hard to pick em up and put em down when you have feet as big as Shaquille O'Neal and you're wearing clown shoes.

  75. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:07 AM

    take that one Tyler… ouch!!!

  76. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:07 AM

    McClellan is another one of my favorites in blue, lol

  77. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:09 AM

    peric… does Ozzie survive the full season… i am wondering

  78. ExposedinDC - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:10 AM

    Thought Harp might have laid down a bunt there against the lefty, would be 3-2 right now, sometimes he has to remember he is a 2 hole hitter

  79. peric - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:11 AM

    Seems like we could still get Torrealba, right? Even if you want to bring up Hill, you need someone to replace him, and he gets used to our signs, system, etc.They may pull him back and want to deal though …The thing about Hill is he is pure defense. Defensively he's Pudge. Just not a soon-to-be HOF or as old but his bat is just as anemic. Age isn't the reason its 2 or 3 fingers cut off and reattached. Not as good a grip as he'd like on the bat. Question is would you rather have Pudge behind the plate managing those young pitchers or someone else? Needless to say the lack of offense surely is a problem. But if you are looking for defense?

  80. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:12 AM

    good point Exposed… I thought a few times in the Brewer series when Espi was up and the 3rd baseman was almost on the grass that he should laid down a few

  81. JD - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:12 AM

    OK, What have they done to the real Strasburg?

  82. Ratiocinational - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:14 AM

    MLB Gameday lists all 3 of Philadelphia's runs as earned. Why is that 3rd run earned? Didn't Pierre score on a throwing error?

  83. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:14 AM

    so can we assume that Maldadano (know I miss spelled it) is not even being discussed

  84. peric - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:14 AM

    peric… does Ozzie survive the full season… i am wonderingI have no idea. The whole offseason started off as a circus. Their new stadium has a circus-like feel. This week they finally got down to doing some decent thinking about what their roster should look like instead of letting the owner go out any old big star to open his new ballpark.

  85. peric - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:15 AM

    so can we assume that Maldadano (know I miss spelled it) is not even being discussedHe weighs in at around 300 pounds and is currently backing up Koyie HIll.

  86. peric - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:15 AM

    Nats are getting smashed here … this isn't good.

  87. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:16 AM

    I have not seen an inside the park in over 40 years, wow!

  88. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:17 AM

    I see peric

  89. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:17 AM

    Strasburg lets Cliff Lee get a walking lead for the steal then throws his 7th belt high fastball.

  90. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:17 AM

    I love Stras but a dead red fastball to Cliff Lee for an RBI just looked like Stras wasn't thinking and then the stolen base and then that Nyjer type inside-the-park HR. Embarassing guys. How did it start? An RBI single to the pitcher.

  91. peric - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:17 AM

    Forget Werth, bring up Hill. Oh man Harper is just about done too … too many games too soon he has never played this many …

  92. peric - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:18 AM

    Right now they could use Corey Brown … big mistake Davey.

  93. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:19 AM

    Like was said to Gio, you are pissed? Be pissed at yourself Stephen. That was just awful.

  94. Secret wasian man - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:19 AM

    Go nat you beat me too it. Just embarrassing. Why are we fretting about stars getting shutdown? He is only the 3rd best pitcher on this team. Gross

  95. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:19 AM

    let the Phils gloat tonight… just one of those games. Wonder how many phils fans would like to trade records,lol lets get the next two

  96. JD - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:20 AM

    Stras was just really off today. Time to get him outa here.

  97. Swift Eagle - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:20 AM

    Didn't know Corey Brown could be a pitcher and a catcher at the same time….b/c that's been the problem tonight..

  98. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:21 AM

    good point that FP makes that Morse needed to back up Harp on that play. what it shows is that the guys are just a step slow tonight and seem a little tired.

  99. ExposedinDC - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:21 AM

    Roger……Over and out

  100. Major Jammage - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:22 AM

    I am a Bernadina fan, but FP is right. He needed to be there to back up Harper. I'm not very optimistic that a team without LaRoche or Zimmerman can mount a comeback, but I'll be happy if they make it a game.

  101. fresh2death1997 - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:22 AM

    Mick : it's Shark, not Morse.

  102. joemktg - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:23 AM

    Damn good thing they traded Victorino and Pence.Cardinal sin by Bernadina. That's a youth baseball mistake not getting over to RF…and the youth baseball CF would get an earful from Coach.This may turn into a laugher, but I think we know better to call it just now.

  103. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:23 AM

    fresh.. I meant shark

  104. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:23 AM

    where was Pence traded?

  105. Secret wasian man - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:24 AM

    With this lineup we couldn't have beaten levan Hernandez tonight. If these nagging injuries continue I fear for the worst for this team.

  106. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:24 AM

    Secret wasian man said… Go nat you beat me too it. Just embarrassing. Why are we fretting about stars getting shutdown? He is only the 3rd best pitcher on this team. Gross July 31, 2012 8:19 PM _______________________________Plus a 27 year old 3rd baseman who can't stay healthy.Stras probably was pissed before the 1st pitch seeing the "B" lineup.

  107. fresh2death1997 - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:24 AM

    Man,this is not a great night..

  108. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:25 AM

    Major Jammage just s few runs, no shutout

  109. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:25 AM

    It's all Davey's fault. If only Corey Brown was here to save the day. Or Carlos Rivero. He'd show those mean old Phillies that they shouldn't have released him.

  110. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:25 AM

    Gonatthis what the Padres and Marlin fans see every night, lol

  111. baseballswami - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:26 AM

    So – not near a tv – what the heck is going on up in Nats Park right now? Strassie serving up baseballs on silver platters? Our guys enjoy their off day too much? Hard to read from gameday why things are going south so fast but it looks like Strassie has been getting hit from the beginning.

  112. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    it seems like the Braves have a 10 game series with the Marlins

  113. Secret wasian man - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    Go nat. If we were going to go with b lineup we should have also gone with b pitcher. Why waste a start. Although stras was horrible tonight. Braves rolling again. 2.5 games

  114. peric - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    It's all Davey's fault. If only Corey Brown was here to save the day. Or Carlos Rivero. He'd show those mean old Phillies that they shouldn't have released him.Oh MicheleS your obnoxious mean spirited ancient garden gnome is back please tether him. Thank you.

  115. baseballswami - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    Mick- Pence to the Giants where he will be in a pennant race against Victorino who is with the Dodgers.

  116. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:28 AM

    baseballswamiwell no Laroche and Zim tonight. The guys seem tired, I think they are still drained from the Brewers series

  117. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    swami…. are you serious… oh boy

  118. Nats212 - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:30 AM

    Natsjack, no need To be mean To perícia, he only said that corey could help once harper got The worst of The wall. We are ali nats fans. No need of rudiness

  119. ExposedinDC - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:32 AM

    3 rookies, Bryce and shark against a lefty, no Zim or ALR, Flores and Derosa in the lineup..all against Cliff Lee, thats asking a lot of Stras and the beast, EJax gets to play stopper again

  120. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:33 AM

    mick said… Gonatthis what the Padres and Marlin fans see every night, lol July 31, 2012 8:25 PM _____________________________Has to happen a lot. I'm sure its the same way the batters feel when their #5 is on the mound facing the other teams #1

  121. baseballswami - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:33 AM

    Thanks, Mick – It's hard to tell what's actually going on. Strassie has ons and offs, like JZim did last year. Is his velocity down or is he not locating? Cliff Lee is still a fine Major League pitcher and our line up looks a bit anemic tonight. Oh, well – this is game one ZERO two not game one SIXTY two. Although, how many times have we given up on our team and then later…..Off days for us always seem to kill our momentum.

  122. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:36 AM

    Swami…..it was ocation on his fastball and inability to throw his change up anywhere near the strike zone.

  123. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    location

  124. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    Glad Davey pulled Stras. Save those innings. Just disappointing.

  125. Tim - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    In my opinion, Strasburg really needs to mature. This was discussed yesterday when someone posted their preference of a starting pitcher for one must-win game, and in the majority's opinion, it wasn't Stephen but JZimm. Strasburg gets rattled easily, whether by weather, an umpire's strike zone or one bad call, or a poorly manicured pitcher's mound.I've seen it before and I saw it tonight… Strasburg let his emotions get the best of him.

  126. Secret wasian man - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:38 AM

    We were never going to win this with that lineup. But you gotta be concerned with how bad stras site looked. He is anything but automatic anymore. And why is degrosssssssa still on this team? He is awful

  127. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:39 AM

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  128. peric - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:40 AM

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  129. Secret wasian man - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:41 AM

    Great point Tim. The cliff lee hit was just inexcusable though

  130. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:41 AM

    baseballswami, JZim was never off this bad last year. JZim's biggest problem last year was losing his mind with frustration.Stras gave up a frustration single to Pierre. The 1st inning HR, the Cliff Lee hit were just bad pitches.

  131. baseballswami - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:41 AM

    Not watching, but I can relate to what you are saying, Tim. He has so few major league innings and is learning here what a lot of guys learn in years in the minors. He has talent, but has to mature into a good major league pitcher. He is also in that witching year that JZim talked about where some days it's just not there. Plus, he doesn't have JZim's calm personality to deal with it. He is going to be great, but these things don't happen overnight. We have lost one game in the last about 8 days. It happens. Probably better to let it all go, save the innings, rest Zim and ALR and come back tomorrow. ALthough I must admit that I said those very same things on Sunday.

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  133. peric - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:42 AM

    3 rookies, Bryce and shark against a lefty, no Zim or ALR, Flores and Derosa in the lineup..all against Cliff Lee, thats asking a lot of Stras and the beast, EJax gets to play stopper againDavey is picking the old guys who can't field over those who can … plus Werth. Goes against the Nats philosophy and plan that Rizzo touted and espoused when explaining his rationale for staying out of the draft. DeRosa and Tracy are not long-term answers and not really good fielders. Plus an eight man bullpen. You can see why he doesn't want to lose the pitchers as they are all performing well … But his bench is looking very weak. Not sure about picking Harper or Bernadina over Brown in CF.

  134. Major Jammage - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:43 AM

    Strasburg is more/less a rookie, and there will be nights like this. I wish this wasn't against the Phils.

  135. baseballswami - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:44 AM

    Gonat – probably true – Stras, Det and sometimes Gio really fly off the handle and let it affect their pitching. So the Phils finally rack up some runs on the very night their fans stop showing up.

  136. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:46 AM

    I have to say to Danny, there is no 6 run HR. Get on base.

  137. baseballswami - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:47 AM

    But I still think it's better to have a stinker game than push people back into service that are dinged up, risking further injury. On nights like this I just pray that everyone gets out of it healthy. Then we can come back tommorrow for another shot. 60 more times.

  138. JD - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:49 AM

    Tim, He was rattled by his inability to throw his curve or change for strikes.

  139. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    Remember when the Nats were winning 9-0 and blew it. Time for the Nats to start chipping away.

  140. JD - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    Cliff Lee needs to get some chin music for that stolen base.

  141. Cameron - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    Just keep saying, it's only one game, it's only one game. Still pissed. Davey put out the B squad today. Only reason Derosa is still on this team to be a backup MI.

  142. Cameron - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:52 AM

    Gonat… This team has amazed us all, but does anyone honestly think with Zim and Larouche out that we are coming back? I guess we can still hope…

  143. Swift Eagle - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:54 AM

    Down the stretch and in the playoffs, Davey wants experienced guys like DeRosa and Tracy on his bench…you Syracuse Chief fans will just have to deal with that, no matter what conclusions you've drawn by studying AAA stats..

  144. rdexposfan - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:54 AM

    Mark Zuckerman ‏@MarkZuckermanZimmermann's ERA pre/post '11 All-Star break: 2.66, 4.14. Strasburg's ERA pre/post '12 All-Star break: 2.82, 4.43. All part of TJ recovery.

  145. JD - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:55 AM

    Philly traded 2 regulars today so their lineup was short as well. The difference is that Strasburg didn't have it today.

  146. Swift Eagle - Aug 1, 2012 at 12:57 AM

    You could argue that tonight, the Nats do not have their best player (by position) in 7 of 8 spotsC Flores not Ramos1B Moore not ALR2B Lombo not EspiSS Espi not Desi3B DeRosa not ZimmermanLF MorseCF Bernadina not HarperRF Harper not Werth

  147. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    Swifty, you are really stretching on that one. Bernadina is fine in CF and Harper in RF. DeRosa at 3rd is not. I'm okay with Moore at 1st.Missing clutch hits except for Morse.

  148. BigCat - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    Yes NatsJack…..no location from Stra…..you know why? He is weak as a kitten mentally. Everything bothers him…its too hot…too wet… I got a hangnail. Do you remember his rookie year when the Braves fans "chopped" him off the mound? Thats right, they did that stupid cheer where they chop their hands down. Our big boy urinated down his leg and had to be taken out. Stra is a guy who has gotten by with his stuff his whole life, just throwing strikes at 95-99 and loving life. He has probably had his pitches called for him his whole life and he has no idea about how to pitch. Every ball the Braves hit tonight was right down the middle, belt high. He never comes inside….lord, he crapped himself when he hit that guy in the helmet a couple weeks ago. Oh, forgot to mention that time. After he hit the guy he folded up the tent and went home. Bottom line….Sras is a pus……er….sissy. Lets not get to excited about when they shut him down. Cause he wilts under the bright lights. If I'm Riz, I shut him down now

  149. JD - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:05 AM

    Gorzo is saving the pen. Henry next?

  150. Secret wasian man - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:05 AM

    I assume the reason derosa is playing is because Stevie Wonder was unavailable?

  151. JD - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:08 AM

    Whatever you say BigCat.

  152. Secret wasian man - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:09 AM

    Big cat you are out of line. Yes stras is overrated but he is still young. Oh, by the way we are playing the phillies not braves. Pu…..y

  153. baseballswami - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:10 AM

    If we can survive August then we can have the veterans and the rookies for a while. With all the hoopla about shutting strassie down, I think all of us fans that watch every game know that it will be time – maybe even before that. Tomorrow, tomorrow, there's always tomorrow……

  154. BigCat - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:11 AM

    When things get tight for him on the mound and the camera zooms in on his eyes, that tells the story. The eyes don't lie

  155. Tim - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:14 AM

    That Tweet from Mark by rdexposfan is REALLY telling about pre/post all-star break after TJ surgery. That may be the stat of the day.

  156. Secret wasian man - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:17 AM

    I too am not overly impressed with stras. The cream the heat….rizzo has babied him and it shows. I certainly would not rush to the park to see him. I prefer jz or gio. It was a little humid tonight though.

  157. Secret wasian man - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:19 AM

    Maybe dibble was right.

  158. JD - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:19 AM

    Secret Wasian man and BigCat, That's because neither one of you has a clue.

  159. Major Jammage - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:20 AM

    Folks, I'm getting a bit tired of the personal attacks all around Nats Insider. Let's talk baseball. That's why we're all here.And remember, if someone says something that seems way out of line, it's probably best to ignore it, and introduce other topics. Calling them out only means they will talk more about it.Soooooo….this game is pretty much in the books. I'd like to see more out of the lineup, especially against an ailing Phils team. The Nats don't seem to have the spring in their step, and perhaps this night just ain't their night. Also, Cliff Lee seems to be on quite a roll.

  160. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:22 AM

    Cliff Lee is Phils best player

  161. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:23 AM

    one of the few times one can relax with Hrod, lol

  162. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:27 AM

    Henry is 6 balls 6 strikes so far

  163. Secret wasian man - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:28 AM

    Tim has a right to his opinion. Whether you agree with someone or not that doesn't make them clueless. At least tim is discussing what he thinks the problem is and not insulting other bloggers. Jammage is correct.

  164. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:32 AM

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  165. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:32 AM

    I was about to post let Henry finish, but Mlb scout points out…after 15 pitches Henry's hit percentage almost doubles

  166. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    we can't get shut out

  167. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    Henry given a low stress inning. Still couldn't go 1-2-3 and almost gave some guy behind homeplate a heart attack!

  168. Secret wasian man - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    Anybody here what the word is on alr and Ryan Zimmerman? Sure could use those two.

  169. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:35 AM

    wasian…. back spasms for both

  170. fresh2death1997 - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:35 AM

    Bryce Harper seriously needs to get going..

  171. Secret wasian man - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:36 AM

    Will they play tomorrow or is that TBD

  172. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:36 AM

    At some point Bryce needs to sit against tough lefties as these O-fers in the 2 hole are hurting real bad

  173. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:37 AM

    I don't think you can play start Derosa when other starters are out, shall we say his down sides are more exposed when another starter is out. Derosa is perfect as a late inning defensive sub

  174. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:38 AM

    meaning 2 or more starters out of the line up

  175. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:40 AM

    Gonat said…At some point Bryce needs to sit against tough lefties as these O-fers in the 2 hole are hurting real badthat apeaasr to be the one thing Bryce will have to work on in 2013. Not sure he can overcome this now. Wondering if Davey would consider platooning him which would also help him keep his energy level high and prevent a late season burn out

  176. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:41 AM

    this is the kind of game where you throw the game film in the ocean and pretend it never happen, lol

  177. zregime - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:45 AM

    Y'all, let's not go all freak. The Philly moves today shook up the clubhouse and got all of their players' attention. Of course they were gonna come out tonight like they were playin' for their jobs. They are. C'mon, mah fam…keep the faith. Oh, and let's show up when the Braves come to town again. NOW IS NOT THE THE TIME TO START GETTING ALL NEGATIVE ABOUT THIS TEAM! WE HAVE THE HORSES AND WE ARE GOING TO WIN.It is gonna happen y'all.Tom Petty's best album was entitled: Damn The Torpedoes. We're into the last 3rd of the season and I would advise everyone to follow Mr. Petty's advice.Believe.

  178. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:47 AM

    what odds would get from vegas that the Marlins can come back and win tonight, lol

  179. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:49 AM

    Henry……..

  180. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:50 AM

    Painful watching Henry. Nothings ever easy. The hits aren't his fault but the walks are. THROW STRIKES

  181. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:51 AM

    Gonat…. that is the $64,000 question on Henry, when will he figure it out?

  182. fresh2death1997 - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:52 AM

    zregime – you're definitely right! we can't win every game.

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  184. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:54 AM

    Can Henry throw a high "chase" strike? He had Ryan Howard in a 1-2 and missed his spot and lucky Howard got lousy wood on it for a groundout. Just another in a long line of pathetic performances in an easy low leverage situation. Yep, send Corey Brown down so Henry can keep his spot.

  185. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:54 AM

    Oh, Henry boy, the pipes,the pipes are callinglol,

  186. peric - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:54 AM

    I wonder who gets bumped off of the 40-man roster … the only choice looks like CM Wang or will they release Perry? But he is doing well as a starter in AA? Outside of those two its Yunesky Maya but the Nats would have to eat some money …It seems pretty clear that Tyler Moore gets optioned to Syracuse to join Corey Brown.

  187. peric - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:57 AM

    Bryce Harper seriously needs to get going..He's 19 and never played this many games before … as a certain QB speculated maybe he is running on fumes mentally … perhaps emotionally. Its a long grueling season. I believe Harper has hit under .230 for July.

  188. Nattering Nat - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:57 AM

    Thought I was going to see some serious, thoughtful discussion here tonight about why the entire team has fallen on its face tonight. zregime at least offers a partial explanation, but not on the Nats side. SInce everyone seems so gloomy and prickly, let me just add that the comments here tonight are not up to par, either. To me it is a head-scratcher, even with Zim and LaRoche out, and with Stras showing even more of the inconsistency we had come to recognize recently. After a 6-1 road trip, and despite the Phillies having something left to prove, I didn't expect the Nats to be flat or for Lee to get his best outing of the year tonight, even if we do have a tendency to let struggling pitchers look great.So the malaise seems to have affected everyone.OK, tomorrow's another day, and the team is still one of the best in baseball, though we've still got two months to go, and they won't be easy!

  189. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:57 AM

    From glen to glen, and down the mountain sideThe summer's gone, and all the flow'rs are dying'Tis you, 'tis you must go and I must bide.what the hell, one of those nights, lol

  190. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:59 AM

    I could see a future stacked RH outfield to face lefties with Moore, Werth, TyMo.Harper just laying eggs against LH pitching after he started the season bashing Lefties.

  191. Swift Eagle - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:59 AM

    Not trying to jynx, but AJ Burnett "pitching well" through 6 v the Cubs…

  192. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 1:59 AM

    I simply think the boys were tired both emotionally and physically, let's not read into it too much.

  193. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 2:01 AM

    mick, no excuses for the tired syndrome. They had a day off yesterday. Not buying that.

  194. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Aug 1, 2012 at 2:04 AM

    With apologies to MicheleS:"BOOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

  195. mick - Aug 1, 2012 at 2:04 AM

    Gonat, I understand what your saying, however, 2 things… its usually 48 hours that fatigue sets in after an emotional win and … add the stress of young players not knowing if they were going to stay up or go back to Cuse.Now, if they are flat tomorrow, then they need a good kick, they get a well deserved mulligan tonight.

  196. Nattering Nat - Aug 1, 2012 at 2:08 AM

    Funny, look what the Angels are doing to the Rangers and what the Dodgers just did to the Giants, with both of the home teams looking horrendous. And that is with second place vs. first in the Division. Maybe it's the time of year, that's as analytical as I am prepared to get–oh, and it's wearing to be in first the whole season, with everyone gunning for you, that I do believe, it probably does wear them down sometimes.

  197. Gonat - Aug 1, 2012 at 2:10 AM

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  198. peric - Aug 1, 2012 at 2:13 AM

    Well given this performance you almost have to assume Davey activates Jayson Werth for tomorrow's game.Someone has to hit the waiver wire to get Werth off the 60-day DL and onto the 40-man roster. Someone gets bumped from the active major league roster as well.I guess most folks first choice is Henry Rodriguez killing two birds with one stone. Leaving Tyler Moore on the active roster.After that its a choice between Yunesky Maya who is now 30 but is still owed just over 2 million, Ryan Perry who is still young and is experiencing a renaissance as a starter in AA Harrisburg, and CM Wang who has yet to really do anything useful at the major league level but also still has about 2 million left to go in his contract. I'm not sure who they'll pick but it does boil down to releasing a pitcher I am guessing. Or replacing Werth with someone on the 60-day DL.

  199. BigCat - Aug 1, 2012 at 2:15 AM

    I have said for a while that Harper is tired. Mentally more than physically. He is 19 years old….every game he is worked tough at the plate….every game the press are there hounding him. Every game its 95 degrees. But I don't worry about him cause he is a "competitor."

  200. NatsFanJim - Aug 1, 2012 at 3:16 AM

    Interesting game. Did Davey and co. take the night off? Lineup was .. unwinnable.Strasburg: I have to agree with many other posters here: Stras needs to mature, grow some nads. Who here wouldnt select super consistent and super cool, JZim, over Stras or walk prone gio to pitch any big big game?I'm really disappointed with strasburg's 'tude and comportment. He looks like a baby, a-hole, prima donna, and sissy ALL AT ONCE He's very weird.

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