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Game 128: Nats at Marlins

Aug 28, 2012, 7:50 PM EDT

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Stephen Strasburg tries to snap the Nats' losing streak tonight at Marlins Park.

The Nationals have done a remarkable job all season overcoming injuries to key players, but let's be honest: They really missed Michael Morse and Ian Desmond while getting swept in Philadelphia over the weekend. The return of both players to the lineup for tonight's two-game series opener in Miami can only be viewed as a positive thing.

Morse (bruised hand) and Desmond (mild hamstring strain) will be hitting fifth and sixth, respectively, in manager Davey Johnson's lineup. That bumps Jayson Werth and his .391 on-base percentage back up to the leadoff spot, giving the Nationals as potent a lineup as they're going to field at this point in the season.

They've also got the man they want on the mound when they're trying to snap a losing streak: Stephen Strasburg. Not only is the right-hander 3-0 without giving up a run against the Marlins this season, he's also 4-0 with a 1.44 ERA when starting with the Nationals on a losing streak of three games or more.

I'm not in Miami for this series, the last road trip I'm scheduled to miss for the remainder of the season. I will, however, be appearing live on CSN's SportsNet Central at 10 p.m. with analysis of tonight's game, so be sure to tune in for that. In the meantime, enjoy the game and the conversation here…

WASHINGTON NATIONALS at MIAMI MARLINS
Where: Marlins Park
Gametime: 7:10 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN2, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500 AM), XM 187
Weather: Indoors

NATIONALS (77-50)
RF Jayson Werth
CF Bryce Harper
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche

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288 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. Steady Eddie - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:02 PM

    GYFNG!!!!

  2. dabassguy1 - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    Missed the last four shows out on the road watching my favorite band. Hopefully, Morse and Desi's return combined with Stras will end this losing streak. Man, I miss watching the games when I can't watch them.GYFNG!!

  3. A DC Wonk - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:16 PM

    Lineup sure looks better with Werth leading off and Morse & Desmond in there!

  4. SonnyG10 - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    OK, Nats, turn it on. Don't make me stress out early in the game. Put feet on Marlins' neck and keep it there. GYFNG!!!!

  5. Steady Eddie - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:18 PM

    And pitch carefully to that Stanton dude.And throw over to first a lot if Reyes gets on. Don't listen to the booing from the 17 fans in the stadium when you do that.

  6. Pilchard - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:33 PM

    The Nats 3 hottest hitters are:Lombardozzi: .421 BA in the last two weeks.Tyler Moore: .333 in the last two weeks; 3 of the 5 RBI last weekend.The Shark: .556 over the last two weeks.By comparison,Espinosa: .234 with 14Ks in 41 ABs over last two weeksLaRoche: .231 1 RBI over the last two weeksMorse: .143 over the last two weeks.At what point, do you go with your hottest hands?

  7. peric - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:39 PM

    Moore 1b next sesson he deserves it.

  8. natsfan1a - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:40 PM

    Make me proud, boys. :-)

  9. Secret wasian man - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:43 PM

    Sad day in DC. Cooley cut. Need the NATS to win and cheer me up. Die Shannahan

  10. NatsLady - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    Interesting article (see link on the right) about how Atlanta limited Medlen's innings by starting him off in the bullpen with the goal of him being available at the end of the season.You have to wonder if they could miss the playoffs altogether due in part to that decision–could he have won 3 or 4 (more) games for them.

  11. NatsLady - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:51 PM

    Not Nats Related. Not Baseball Related.But this is REALLY cool. Stay safe, Gulf!Videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7oJvwY4Rik&feature=player_embedded

  12. JD - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    NL, I don't think Atlanta considered Medlen one of their top 5 starters at the beginning of the year anyway so I think that this is really revisionist history seeing as how he's been their most effective pitcher lately. I have only seen Medlen once but I am not convinced that he's Tom Seaver or Greg Maddux just yet.

  13. JD - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    Peric, Where's Morse playing next year?

  14. RickH - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    Not sure I want to cut ALR loose.

  15. JD - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:19 PM

    RickH, I am not sure that's happening either but I am also not ready to anoint Moore as the full time 1st baseman even if we don't re up ALR.

  16. MicheleS - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    GYFNG! STAY HEALTHY BOYS!The best news of the day.. Mark travels for the rest of the season! See you in St Louis!

  17. bowdenball - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:25 PM

    Pilchard said…"The Nats 3 hottest hitters are:Lombardozzi: .421 BA in the last two weeks.Tyler Moore: .333 in the last two weeks; 3 of the 5 RBI last weekend.The Shark: .556 over the last two weeks.By comparison,Espinosa: .234 with 14Ks in 41 ABs over last two weeksLaRoche: .231 1 RBI over the last two weeksMorse: .143 over the last two weeks.At what point, do you go with your hottest hands?"Never. You go with your best players and you understand the incredibly misleading nature of small sample sizes.

  18. MicheleS - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    For those wondering if National Media would criticize the O's attendance, well, Rose/Millar on Intentional talk made a point of calling out the fact that they are not drawing.

  19. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    GYFNG

  20. peric - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM

    1) your posts are redundant.JD, I'm usually right and you're usually not.That has to count for something.Your Giggleman's Island mentality is why the Nats lost last season when they just might have had a winning record … using less veterans and more top talent from the minors.

  21. MicheleS - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    I know we hate the Barves, but send a thought out to one of their bloggers. Sad story for such a young man.Mac Thomason

  22. sm13 - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    Take Stanton out of the Marlins lineup and they look pretty weak. Our guys need to pitch around him for the next two days. Go Nats!

  23. DWS - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:42 PM

    Regarding run support (last post} who has JZ faced?Every pitcher has the misfortune of facing an ace or a pitcher on a roll. If any stat people want to really delve into numbers be my guest.Davey's going with the vets, lets see how it goes. I would have put Lombo in left itting second and sat Bryce. But I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.

  24. DWS - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM

    And as always Baseball is just a little part of our lives that really isn't going to change mankind.Thanks for the reality check MicheleS.

  25. Theophilus T. S. - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    My mistake — I didn't realize they lost because Desmond and Morse were out. I thought it was because they were out-pitched.

  26. natsfan1a - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    From Mark's Tweeter feed. Now, that's funny (Hi, Davey and Mike!). :-)RT @acomak Davey & Rizzo start pre-game session together. Davey puts Rizzo in headlock. Point was Sun. convo = "normal business as usual."

  27. DWS - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:11 PM

    If I had a fantasy team next year Medlen would be on it.Theo?

  28. mick - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:20 PM

    Secret wasian man said…Sad day in DC. Cooley cut. Need the NATS to win and cheer me up. Die ShannahanI was driving to work this morning and heard the junkies go one about Graham Gano being cut… it was actually pretty funny. I will miss CooleyBut to be honest, i am so wrapped into the Nats, I really could care less about the SkinsCan't wait for tonight's game. GO NATS!!!

  29. BigCat - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:24 PM

    Stras has gotta come out and blank these bums for 7 and then turn it over to our pen. We can't lose if the fish don't score. Period

  30. Drew - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    Notes for the stretch run:1. Don't let Stanton beat you.2. Don't let McCutcheon beat you.3. Don't let Votto beat you.4. Don't let Kemp beat you.5. Don't let Wright beat you.

  31. NatsLady - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    Re: Medlen. Yes. A lot of it is hindsight. The Atl "assumed" they were playoff bound and that Medlen was not (yet) an Ace and planned accordingly. The Nats "assumed" they were an 85-87 win team, probably not playoff bound and Stras should pitch on regular rest as a starter as JZ did last year. That's why a lot of "why didn't the Nats do X,Y,Z with Stras to manage it better" criticisms are total baloney.

  32. rabbit34 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:56 PM

    We have our Hammer line-up in there tonight. Good luck!!

  33. UnkyD - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:09 PM

    All I want for my birthday is the beginning of a new win streak!! Happy 53, to me:-)

  34. sm13 - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:10 PM

    Agree with Drew. Do you add Holiday or Beltran to that list?

  35. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:12 PM

    Well, I see another Loria-like 25,000 in attendence in Miami.

  36. MicheleS - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:22 PM

    UnkyD! Happy Birthday! And I want a win for you!!!

  37. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:25 PM

    Haopy Birthday Unkyd.

  38. MicheleS - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:25 PM

    NJ.. It looks like there are 500 people there. Wow! That is not good. After watching the Franchise, I actually feel bad for some of their players (except reyes). Definitely don't feel bad for Loria, he is getting exactly what he deserves.

  39. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:26 PM

    Batters 3 and 4 again 0 for 2 RISP . Harper didn't help dilly rallying in the batters box. First time I remember if not hustling. Probably cost them a run at least as Lee would be holding

  40. MicheleS - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:27 PM

    OY! What the heck was that!

  41. NatsLady - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:28 PM

    Addendum: Don't let Ruggiano beat you.

  42. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:28 PM

    A meatball.

  43. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:28 PM

    Fifth game in a row starter gave up first run. I thought we were going to get out of this terrible habit they have started.

  44. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:30 PM

    Command on his fastball just isn't very good at all.

  45. MicheleS - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:33 PM

    Well this will shut up the Strasburg crap

  46. blovy8 - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:34 PM

    Cries of shut him down can be heard…

  47. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:35 PM

    And another inefficient 23 pitch first inning.

  48. blovy8 - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:35 PM

    But then, you can pretty much hear every conversation in that ballpark…

  49. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:37 PM

    Is it too much to ask to score first. I am in a bad mood already. first two hitters leave man on base Then Stras pitches terrible.

  50. blovy8 - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:37 PM

    Not a bad swing from a guy who's been off several days.

  51. blovy8 - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:39 PM

    espy is swinging at breaking balls and taking fastballs, makes NO sense.

  52. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:40 PM

    Ricky friggin Nolasco.

  53. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:41 PM

    I see the same batting we have seen last Tuesday. I thought they would fix the problem.

  54. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:46 PM

    10 Pitch second inning. That is what I expected from Strasburg in the first.

  55. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:47 PM

    Any chance Stras can throw two more 10 pitch innings like the 2nd? I sure hope so.

  56. blovy8 - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:48 PM

    Now Stras will not be letting any fastballs go by…

  57. sjm308 - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:49 PM

    Hate posting during a game – when is the last time we were ahead in a game? When is the last time we scored the first run in a game? Will take a deep breath now.Go Nats!!

  58. blovy8 - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:50 PM

    The Nats current motto "we make every pitcher feel good except our own"

  59. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:52 PM

    Sjm, last lead was a week ago 4-1 against Braves.

  60. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    0 For 10 first 3 innings . Nolaslo last 8 games 1-6 with nearly 7.00 ERA. So what are the hitters. excuse tonight?

  61. Secret wasian man - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:55 PM

    A loss tonight means one week since nats won a game. But hey. No need to panic. Zimmerman said so

  62. Secret wasian man - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:56 PM

    Another steal. Ugly.

  63. blovy8 - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:56 PM

    Remind me again why 6.5 million Suzuki was picked up?

  64. blovy8 - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:57 PM

    I'm not going to panic. Anger or depression are the more likely results.

  65. NatsNutty - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:57 PM

    Whelp, so far, the Nats are making Rickie look like just another Cy Young Award candidate with their anemic hitting. I guess it doesn't matter when or if Morse and Desmond return to the lineup, their anemic hitting is contagious. I also hope Stras "finds his groove" before the game gets out of reach (once again)!

  66. blovy8 - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    ok, it's anger

  67. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    That steal was totally on Stras. He didn't even look to first.

  68. -Dan- - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:59 PM

    It's so annoying, everything is going against us, we need a huge break for turning things around.

  69. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:00 AM

    carlos lee? that's like laroche stealing

  70. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:00 AM

    Fielders quit. easy double play. Rizzo needs to go yell at players. Davey not the One screwing up they are. Stras doesn't bother to hold runners I see.

  71. Steady Eddie - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:00 AM

    With Danny's error and Strassy's inability to hold anyone in, they now officially are looking like losers. This is sad.

  72. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:00 AM

    Carlos Lee steals without a look. Embarassing.

  73. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:00 AM

    This team is really hard to watch right now. They are bad. If you disagree I think your just in denial. Go nats

  74. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:01 AM

    Giving them extra outs. Giving away bases like they are Tums. The old Nats are back.Legion of Doom, are there any seats left on this Titanic?

  75. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:02 AM

    Good thing it's not September yet. Probably should just get Stammen up.

  76. sm13 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:03 AM

    Greg friggin' Dobbs. Not to mention the suddenly speedy Carlos Lee. This is now embarrassing and worrisome.

  77. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:03 AM

    Wow, a throw over, I forgot they were allowed to do that. Surprised is wasn't a balk at this point.

  78. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:04 AM

    Shut him down now. They are choking. Sept 15 th out of first. No need to waste innings get him out. Doom and gloom? You better believe it.

  79. Unknown - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:04 AM

    This team is unraveling like a cheap suit. By the time the Dodgers leave town, the Nationals won't be in first place in the NL West. This looks like another 2005 collapse.

  80. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:04 AM

    Why don't they take Strasburg out? Why waste innings? He looks terrible.

  81. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:04 AM

    It's not like Strasburg is a converted outfielder or something. Nobody should have to tell you.

  82. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:05 AM

    Espinosa error turns into 2 freebie runs and several extra pitches.Danny and Harper need time off.

  83. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:05 AM

    Actually, this is the eye test Rizzo was referring to. When you can't command a pitch you've thrown your whole life, something is not right.

  84. NatsNutty - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:05 AM

    5-0, no hitting, no pitching, no fielding. We're partying like it's 2008, 2009, and 2010.

  85. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:06 AM

    The only good thing about this is that it will only count as one loss.

  86. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:07 AM

    Kind of agree with you Steve, but EVERYONE had a day off yesterday.

  87. Grandstander - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:07 AM

    This might not have been a "must win", but it was definitely a "don't play like crap" game, and they're failing spectacularly. Might be time for some of this "veteran leadership" to hold a players meeting and set some people right. This is not a playoff caliber team at the moment

  88. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:07 AM

    If the nats end up Choking and not making the playoffs it will be a major disappointment. They are pressing. Yes it's panic time.

  89. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:09 AM

    look for #1

  90. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:10 AM

    Nolasco's gonna no hit the Nats.

  91. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:10 AM

    It's ok Ryan. No need to panic. You said so yourself.

  92. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:10 AM

    day off sure didn't help did it. are we going to to just fade a way tonight. All 3 onwere habe been awful. Rizzo yelled at wrong group

  93. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:10 AM

    The youth of the staff is showing up now, plus the other clubs are gearing up for the Nats.

  94. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:10 AM

    The 2005 collapse was much earlier. I will agree that the current squad resembles the bumbling Astros squad from a few weeks ago. I am just waiting for a couple of our guys to bump into each other….

  95. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:11 AM

    Come on NatsJack, Nats will get it going!

  96. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:12 AM

    This guy isn't no-hitting the Nats if they leave Strasburg in, he'll at least get a hit.

  97. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    Except for the homer we have hit the ball harder. However We are hitting it where they are

  98. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    Tomorrows lineup should be. Bernadine. More. Lombo. Flores. Det. Nady. Morse. And Hellen keller

  99. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    We need a big deal like the other teams. Remember in 2005 when the Nats brought in Preston Wilson for the stretch drive?This game was over in the first inning, by the way, so if Strasburg comes out to pitch, the Nationals obviously don't care about pitch counts or inning counts. Oh, he should keep pitching so he doesn't interrupt his rhythm, cause his rhythm is so good right now….

  100. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    I've said it before and I'll say it again:It's a good thing it's the Barves that are chasing us.Let's go Padres!

  101. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    damn that Ruggiano homer was a meatball on the replay

  102. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:14 AM

    I'm trying the "troll" approach Ghost

  103. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:14 AM

    If you want to do conspiracy stuff, you might ask whether the League has changed the strike zones against the Nats.

  104. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:14 AM

    let's not start blaming the umps, bob. stras is stinking it up all on his own

  105. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:15 AM

    any out is good

  106. Steady Eddie - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:16 AM

    Forget the Maalox, time to go straight to the bourbon.NatsJack, while it's only one game, I'm thinking much the same. Even when he didn't have command in July, he just could only intermittently throw strikes. He didn't leave so much out there to be hit.I also agree with the "why waste the innings?" thought. Some games post-TJ, the command is just not there. Why throw good innings after bad?

  107. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:16 AM

    I take it back hit. Not at someone. 5 games 6 runs. Doesn't matter who is pitching our hitters are making almost impossible to win

  108. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:17 AM

    Ah hah. I thought only the doom and gloom group were on tonight. But I see the MAKE EXCUSES Group has arrived. Welcome

  109. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:17 AM

    Why is Strasburg still in the game?

  110. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:19 AM

    And with his 2 seamer, the movement is sideways instead of down which makes it flat and extremely hittable.

  111. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:20 AM

    I think the whole shut-down thing has been incredibly distracting for the team. Basically, the Nats are on record that they are not really trying to win it all this year. Why should any of these other guys give their all, when next year is the year that really matters?

  112. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:20 AM

    I place the quit-a-meter on to see if the team has heart like they most of the season or none like they did in Philly

  113. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:21 AM

    This looks like April with worse pitching.

  114. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:22 AM

    They look as though they have zero interest in the outcome of this game. Desmond would rather be getting massages than play.

  115. LoveDaNats - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:22 AM

    We're going to need a crane to "pick each other up" at this point. Come on boys. You are better than this.

  116. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:23 AM

    Lannan has pulled us out of the fire twice. Maybe it's time. This team has quit tonight. This is not a slump. This is a disease. Try again tomorrow. Time to watch dance moms. Goodnight

  117. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:23 AM

    they're going to luck into a hit, maybe a run, but this game is over. Terrible atbats. Of course, Espy just missed a mistake. I guess anything could still happen.

  118. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:23 AM

    K's and errors are our secret weapons.

  119. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:23 AM

    like some extra outs, for instance.

  120. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:24 AM

    That's why he gets the bigggggggg bucks. Suzukkkkk

  121. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:25 AM

    Why is Strasburg hitting?

  122. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:25 AM

    William, wondering the same myself.

  123. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:26 AM

    Somebody explain why Strasburg is still in the game? Rizzo needs to deal with this issue tomorrow. This is ridiculous to have an injured pitcher out on the mound and hitting when he is losing 6-0.

  124. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:26 AM

    Now I'm pissed. Really? Still going with stras? WOW. Way about innings count?? Ughhhhhh good riddance.

  125. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    Why use up your bullpen on a loss?

  126. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    Not sure what it is, but the Nats have been playing BAD baseball for about a week. Pressing? Maybe. Tired? Most definitely. Stupid? Unfortunately. But all of it represents BAD baseball. When Carlos Lee steals without a throw, you know teams have figured out you can't keep runners from stealing. Let's start there, calling for more throw-overs from the dugout. Improvement can be slow, but it needs to be constant with a young team.

  127. Unknown - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    The Nats have never been able to hit Ricky Nolasco. For that matter, they have never been able to hit any of the Marlins pitchers.

  128. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:28 AM

    The Nats have some ridiculous rhythm theory on top of an innings theory. Not only do you have to reduce innings, you can't take a young pitcher out of his "rhythm". Of course, there is no scientific basis for it at all, but it sounds good to baseball people.

  129. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    The starts at this point are the thing, not the innings.

  130. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    Unknown. We are 2. O against Nolasco.

  131. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    Which is based 100 percent on non-science.

  132. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    Oh, and about that hitting coach – is he on vacation? He is the one guy I would trade, plus cash, for the Orioles' equialent.

  133. ExposedinDC - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:30 AM

    Stay positive people, no whining in here….or so I am told

  134. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:31 AM

    That whole thing about looking at who is left on the schedule is garbage. We struggle with Colorado and Miami and seem to do well against San Fran. I guess they want to have Strasburg get hammered so hard that no one will say he should keep pitching.

  135. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:31 AM

    As this Strasburg shutdown thing gets closer and closer we play worse and worse.

  136. LoveDaNats - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:31 AM

    Pretty bad when the highlights montage is all Fish. Yeah, I'm kinda disappointed. Strassie does not have his stuff. Maybe this is the beginning of the end Rizzo is waiting for. Sorry. Hate to be Debbie downer but this is no fun.

  137. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:32 AM

    There is no whining. These are observations. It has been a great season so far, but I think the Nats were not ready to deal with prime time, but there is time to get ready.

  138. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:32 AM

    The glass half full folks have taken the night off.

  139. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:33 AM

    See, who would even want Strasburg on their post-season squad? Rizzo's plan is working.

  140. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:35 AM

    Will o. Well said. You got an over achieving team in bmore who is not intimidated. They are not choking. They are good.

  141. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:35 AM

    I am kind of disgusted that the Nats are just leaving Strasburg out there to get hammered around the park. Nobody even up in the pen until the score hits 7-0. Nobody on the team even tries to hit, because Strasburg is pitching and that will end the losing streak. On to Detwiler.

  142. LoveDaNats - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:36 AM

    This is easier to watch with a second glass of wine.

  143. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    Stras is done for the night, thankfully. Not a good outing by him, but his defense didn't help him either. BAD baseball makes a good pitcher look BAD, and good teams look worse.

  144. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    The Nats are still overachieving. Who had them over .600 before the year started? Let's not get crazy. This team is much better off than the O's.

  145. Swift Eagle - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:38 AM

    Someone else saw this a few starts ago..But I thought Stras was really falling off towards 1st more than usual tonight…There's no doubt to anyone who's watched him closely the last few years he is not right..

  146. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:39 AM

    They need to grind some atbats, take something away from this game, even if they're bound to lose.

  147. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:39 AM

    Well, Strasburg made everything worse, with his own bad fielding play by failing to get the first runner in the 3rd. Everything steamrolled from there and his failure to hold on runners made it worse.

  148. Swift Eagle - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:39 AM

    As Davey said Sunday, you're never as good as you are when you're winning or as bad as you look when you're losing…It's a slump, it happens

  149. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:39 AM

    Game is still not over, we have been hitting Nolasco, so we need to plug away.

  150. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:40 AM

    The O's are a statistical fluke. Nobody wins 13 one run games in a row without a huge amount of luck. The last time I looked, they were last in their division in run differential.

  151. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:42 AM

    Big knock by ALR and we are in it. Come on ALR!

  152. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:42 AM

    I just think the announcers could be a bit more realistic about how the team is playing. Yes, the balls are bouncing against them, but there are other reasons as well for this bad streak. If Desmond can't stay healthy, they need someone who can. You need your SS out there game in and game out, not sitting out most of the second half with niggling injuries.

  153. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:43 AM

    A home run now is just a tease.

  154. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:43 AM

    Blovy 8. I agree with you. But once your 31 games over .500 and you can't be happy finishing with less than 92 93 wins.

  155. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:44 AM

    Nolasco ran out of pine tar in his glove…

  156. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:45 AM

    Good point on the announcers. You don't win games hitting the ball hard

  157. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:45 AM

    There's always a high point. Maybe they just reached it and are coming back toward the team they actually are. That could still be good enough to win the division, and I think anyone should be happy with that. If you are now expecting 100 wins, you may as well be a Yankee fan or watch football.

  158. Swift Eagle - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:46 AM

    William O. Douglas Loeffler said… You need your SS out there game in and game out, not sitting out most of the second half with niggling injuries. August 28, 2012 8:42 PM ______________________Sort of like negative posters who never show up during the winning streaks?I always thought it was b/c you were just haters, but maybe you had "niggling injuries"

  159. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM

    The Nats generally need four hits in an inning to score a run with their speed. We have only 3 guys who can even run at all. Morse and La Roche are pictured next to the word lumber in the dictionary.

  160. Section 135 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM

    When was the last time Laroche came through in the clutch? He needs a day off every series. Same with Espinosa and Harper. When Sept comes we better see some call ups play. This team is tired and a choke is coming if theyre not careful.

  161. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:48 AM

    WODL, a HR there was not a tease, it was the start of a rally. You seem to post just to inflame people here – that fake quote by Stras is a prime example of the excremental nature of your content.

  162. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:48 AM

    Can we say "Free Fall'?

  163. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:49 AM

    For what it's worth, Espy looked like a better shortstop anwyay, and there's no harm in Lombo playing 2nd every so often.

  164. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:49 AM

    To quote that famous preacher:"The Nationals' chickens have come home to Roost."

  165. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    It is funny that some people complain about negative posts and I agree, if you are talking about personally attacking players or being a troll. But many of us post during losses because that is more instructive.In my opinion, it is the true "homers" who are completely unobjective, who post during wins. But I will try to come on the next time we pound team X and post something like: "Take that team X. You suck and the Nats are great."

  166. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    Swift I'm glad to see your taking zimms advice and not panicking. Glad you chimed in to lecture us. Don't take your frustrations out on William O. Hes has an opinion like all,of us.

  167. NatsNut - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:51 AM

    I just got home and checked the score first thing. Ohmygosh, what in the heck is going on? It's the baseball gods, isn't it? We said "playoffs" too soon and too often didn't we? I'M SORRY!!!

  168. Swift Eagle - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:51 AM

    How is NOT personally attacking a player when you claimed Desmond was sitting out when he was able to play?

  169. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:52 AM

    I bet the Nats would like to have back the 4-10 games that Davey cost them during the year doing his little experiments: think HRod, and that crazy experiment with Wang — and numerous other failures to manage a close game.Davey: A clubhouse genius; on-field dolt.

  170. Oldguy - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:52 AM

    They are on strange turf and will learn from this. The last 4 teams that have gone to their first WS are collectively 2-16. It takes a while to get the feel of it. Veterans who have been there are great, but they can't experience it for you. Nobody thought this was to be our year in April, and maybe it's not. So be it. It has been a great run so far, and we may still get there. But whatever happens, we'll be better next year.

  171. mick - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:52 AM

    Swift… agreed. Slumps happen, the good news is Desi and Morse are back, we will be fine. i would like to get a run or twoThe Strass controversy ought to stop now, no big deal with a shut down… I think he is tired, frustrated and is showing a little immaturity in behavior on the mound. Nats will win without him the rest of the ay and this would good for Strass.

  172. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:53 AM

    Ebay2k, you need to reel it in. If you disagree with something than write, with facts, why you disagree. Calling something "exremental" is argumentum ad hominem and gets you a D in any logic class in any philosophy class in the land.

  173. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:53 AM

    What was "instructive" about the fake Stras quote? What was instructive about calling a three run HR a "tease"? Your idea of instruction is pedagogy, at best. Go sell it somewhere else.

  174. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:54 AM

    In Stras' defense tonight (and not to make excuses) Stras was squeezed like no other time all year — this ump wouldn't budge on any corners — and was generally terrible (pitch track constantly bored this out.)

  175. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:55 AM

    William O Doug. Well spoken. I agree. Folks think if they are all positive they are better fans. NOT TRUE.

  176. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:55 AM

    another fat pitch

  177. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:56 AM

    Learn to read William ODL – I said your comments were exceremental. I never said anything about you. Please enlighten us all as to why your fake, unattributed "quote" from Stras was anything but pure excrement?

  178. LoveDaNats - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:56 AM

    Un effing believable.

  179. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:56 AM

    Ha ha William O brings a little edjamacation to this Homer board.Calling out posters on their Rhetorical Fallacies!!!I love it.

  180. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:58 AM

    I don't think there is any question that Desmond could have played last weekend. The Nats and/or he, were being hyper-cautious, but that seems to be the team's way. I am just used to Cal Ripken and Pete Rose type of players who basically are not coming off the field unless you drag them off.

  181. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:58 AM

    In fact, this board (while hosting a bunch of nice folk) is chock full of Self-deception and rampant Rhetorical Fallacies.Hmm, most conversations in life are fallacies, come to think of it.Oh, but everyone does it, right? (oops, the Rhetorical fallacy of "Common Occurence"

  182. mick - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:59 AM

    Now, if we do not start hitting tomorrow, there may be a deeper problem going on… what that is, i have no idea

  183. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:00 AM

    If the Nats blow the division, I wonder what that will do to their nascent, fragile new, fan base?Washington, unlike other cities, Demands a winner — (redskins excepted). That's the just the way it is.

  184. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:00 AM

    Wow I hope nats win soon. It's getting ugly in here.

  185. mick - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:00 AM

    ugly game and worst of season, I hope this out of their system tomorrow

  186. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:00 AM

    W.O.D., if you watched LaRoche play 30 or so games last year with a bum shoulder, you would not be wishing for players to gut it out with an injury

  187. JaneB - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:00 AM

    Not panicking here. Crying a little. But not panicking. Hoping to see some life in the offense, still.

  188. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:01 AM

    William O has brought very little to this board as far as I can tell. His recent posts give me little incentive to review his older ones to look for something he may have written that is worthy of writing.

  189. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:01 AM

    Is this Ebay guy the same guy who said we need to get rid of the hitting coach? I wonder how that guy's kids feel after reading that? Isn't that a personal attack on the poor hitting coach? What about saying the Nats are playing BAD baseball? How dare you attack our team's play,,,

  190. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:01 AM

    Me thinks EHay is a bit overblown, oversensitive, overly crude, highly insulting, and a general Troll.

  191. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:02 AM

    what scares me is that Suzuki is having the best atbats

  192. NatsNut - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:03 AM

    Boz is right. Right now this feels twice as painful as the winning feels nice.

  193. Swift Eagle - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:03 AM

    Everyone's entitled to their opinion, by Desmond still doesn't look 100% to me, and that's with almost a week off…so I don't think he could have helped last weekend…

  194. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:03 AM

    If somebody is truly hurt, nobody should gut it out. Do you think that Desmond had that type of injury that ALR had last year? I don't. I think the team was being hyper-cautious and it might have cost them a game, but we will never know. They might have lost all three anyway.

  195. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    Ehay: YOu take this blogging, posting 'stuff' so seriously that you would even consider "looking up old posts' to get an "I gotcha" on another poster?Such a silly person. The Nats losing really brings out the negative in people — which is also silly.

  196. Fear and Ignorance - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    Verlander just gave up 9 hits and 7 ER in 1 2/3 IP. I guess they should shut him down, too!!!

  197. DJB - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:05 AM

    NatsFanJim,They lose the fan base. I chose to be a fan of baseball after a 15-year absence (Angelos having previously ruined my love of the game). I invested my time and emotion with this team. It's a grind. If we have a GM who doesn't think that is worth anything – who doesn't really want to win – why should I invest my energy in rooting for them. If they collapse, then Rizzo must be fired to restore baseball credibility to this town.

  198. Secret wasian man - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:05 AM

    Nats Jim I go to every skins game and have gone to at least 10 games a year for the nats including road games since they came to dc. And I don't live close. My point is i will never switch my allegiance away from any dc team. No matter how doom and gloom i might get.

  199. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:06 AM

    I had a problem with the whole attitude the last few days. Once again, this is a small sample and it may just be noise, but there seemed to be this feeling that it didn't matter that much because Strasburg was pitching on Tuesday and that was a sure win. That just doesn't exist in baseball. Bob Gibson broke Walter Johnson's record for ERA in 1968 on a defending World Champion, and Gibson only went 22-9.

  200. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:08 AM

    Why are we losing?Pitching staff is getting worn out.Suzuki is a waste.Zimm needs a shot.LaRoche looks like he needs his Ritalin.Desi isnt ready.Harper is a tantrum throwing .240 hitter whose owned by lefties.Espi is still hitting just .250.Great Player Lombo is a bench warmerHot player Shark is a bench warmerPower hitting Moore is a bench warmer.That's about it; should be enough. I'm shocked we ever got over 10 games over .500

  201. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:08 AM

    Wait, am I a homer, or a critic of the team? Really can't tell fromNatsfanjim or WODL's comments. But I see Jim has called me a troll, but also a homer. So personal are OK as long as they come from you, but no one else? Go take your truckload of bile somewhere else. As for Desmond, you are not there to see if he can run, stretch, etc. They would not keep him out of games if they thought he was healthy, because he is too important to the team. How can you argue otherwise, given this year's performance by Desi?

  202. mick - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM

    Fear and Ignorance Did Verlander have TJ surgery? I was not aware?Strass is scheduled to be shut down which is what i totally support. my point was that the shutdown could be very helpful for Strass because I think he is tiring and he some immaturity is starting to show with him.your Verlander comparison confuses me, unless he had TJ surgery

  203. Swift Eagle - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM

    OK, that's fair..The Nats have not looked as sharp mentally lately, and are playing bad baseball right now….but why is only "instructive" to show up during these losses to point this out? Isn't it also "instructive" to point out the approach that has resulted in the most wins in MLB?…To me, the true fan is able to see both good AND bad

  204. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:10 AM

    More elbow room for me DJB. Nobody watching the excellent, winning club the Nats put out there will either. You try to win, but you have to look to tomorrow as well, or you don't win much.

  205. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:10 AM

    Secret: and I am exactly like you!! Good for us — the true fans. Unfortunately, that's not the general fan base. And if you are a native, and have been following All of our teams for many years, you would know that is true.

  206. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:12 AM

    POTD from mick @9:09

  207. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:12 AM

    Ehay: haha like an umpire, I can only call them the way I see them — maybe I miss a corner now and then, but not often. "Troll" is insulting? Then don't be one.

  208. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:12 AM

    The problem is that the Nats' as an organization want a healthy organization that has great players who win for years and years. They probably do not care all that much about winning a title, which, unless you are the Yankees, requires a lot of good fortune. So the Nats don't mind that much whether they win it all or not, as long as they get a result that makes the team more popular going forward.The fans and the players on this year's squad may feel differently.Outside of horse racing, someone please provide an example of a non-injured player who has ever skipped an entire post-season? Sandy Koufax skipped one start for the Jewish holidays, but I can't think of anyone who refused to play in the post-season in order to lengthen his career. Barry Bonds never won a World Series, nor did Ted Williams. Walter Johnson, Hank Aaron and Willie Mays won one each. There are no guarantees.

  209. mick - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:13 AM

    Oh well, lets get em tomorrow night… think I will watch some of the JB Society Convention, lol, hee hee

  210. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:14 AM

    It is called risk aversion, Ebay2k. It is a fundamental concept in economics and life insurance and life in general. The whole Strasburg debate involves risk aversion and the notion that many think the Nats are overly risk averse, to the point where it diminishes their chances to win this year.

  211. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:16 AM

    On a Bright Note:I have no worries. The Nats have been playing all year like every series was a Big one, another opportunity to Prove themselves.Well, we peaked against Atlanta last week. Facing the Phillies – 15 games out — became the first series the Nats seemed like they could not get up for.Now, it is up to Davey to teach them how to win and get up for games from the prospective of the Top Dog and not the underdog: two totally different approaches.Every loss and every win is Now squarely on Davey's shoulders. This is when he earns his money.I think he can do it, but proof is in the pudding. He hasn't done it yet.

  212. Swift Eagle - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:16 AM

    Stras is not "refusing" to play…He is being shut down by his superiors based on the instructions of the doctor who performed the surgery…He is basically still on rehab from the surgery

  213. Nats Fan in Brazil - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:17 AM

    For everyone frinking out, varlander just allowed 7 ruins in 2 in against The ROYALS….just saying

  214. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:17 AM

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  215. phil dunton - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:17 AM

    Don't worry Nats fans, H-Rod will be back on Sep. 1. He will turn things around.

  216. Swift Eagle - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:18 AM

    Haha!! It's Roll Call time for the Legion of Doom

  217. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM

    I think I was on here after the big Milwaukee win and a couple of the Houston ones. I am simply more interested in analysis and pure "homers" tend not to provide a whole lot of that and posters tend not to be in much of a speculative mode after a big win.One interesting thing is that the Nats had the best run differential in baseball about ten days ago. It has since dropped like a stone and we are now 30 runs or so behind St. Louis.

  218. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:20 AM

    Just as there are no guarantees that WITH Stras, the Nats will win or even make it to a WS. That's where the argument to not shut him down because of playoff and WS potential breaks down. Stras pitched tonight, but we didn't win. It's just too hard to speculate. But shutting him down cannot be shown to HURT his career, whereas over pitching has been shown to do harm. Remember, he spent little time in the minors.

  219. Swift Eagle - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:20 AM

    Maybe it's time to sacrifice a live chicken in the clubhouse…or is it a rooster? I always forget

  220. Fear and Ignorance - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:21 AM

    William 9:12-POTD. Rizzo fancies himself as an athletic director…he just wants to build a good program…he doesn't really care about winning it all. Just remember…when you see 10,000 people filing for the exits at Nats Park in the 8th inning…ehay2k is one of them. Some people just don't get it.

  221. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:21 AM

    Swift: You Troll for Trolls — even imaginary ones.Rarely do you give insightful opinions — How about now? What will it take to pull the Nats out of this swoon?Go on the record, dude. Man up and put yourself on the line — for once this season.

  222. DJB - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:21 AM

    Listen all you "true fans" can fill up that special 10% of Nats Park and cry when the Nationals leave town again and wonder why. The Senators left because they put out a poor product and people stopped going to games. You win when you can. Flags fly forever. You never accept the psychology of a losing team. And you never assume the future.

  223. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:23 AM

    Prediction: Stras gets shut down tonight.That was his last start in a successful '12 season. Let's see if I'm not spot on.

  224. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:23 AM

    By that logic, why aren't there still four man rotations and guys completing games with 150 pitches? After all, Strasburg is the best pitcher, he should keep pitching until he stops getting outs or gets hurt every game. He's better than anyone coming in from the bullpen. This is the game now, you protect your young pitchers. The Braves did it differently, but they also did it with Medlin.The reason they don't is he loses effectiveness over pitches, over starts, and needs to build up to normal workload. Add recovery from major surgery to that, and any however slight reinjury risk to that. The difference between a Detwiler start and a Strasburg start at this point in the season is what? The team needs to hit, and we'll see what happens. The other clubs have their own issues. I still say 94/95 wins at this point and a few games above the Braves.I mean, how much money do the Dodgers HAVE after all? Ha.

  225. Nats Fan in Brazil - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:23 AM

    By The way, The los angeles all The money u can spent dogers, are losing 4 Nothing against colorado….just saying

  226. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:25 AM

    DJB – how can you call one of the best tesms in baseball, let alone outpr division, a poor product? It's just a nonsensical comment.

  227. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:25 AM

    DJB has a point. Although I feel Stras ought to get shut down — the best advice I have ever heard back in my coaching days was "Win the game your in; tomorrow will take care of himself." Valuable, priceless advice for a baseball team. Win today!!!

  228. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:26 AM

    It is not the Legion of Doom.Semantics about Strasburg–He is going to have to make a public statement or he will be viewed during his career as being soft. That's the way it is. "Rizzo wouldn't let me play" is not going to wash in public opinion if the Nats lose a close post-season series, especially, since I see no evidence that Strasburg actually is pushing the Nats to allow him to play.That doesn't make Strasburg a bad guy or anything. It might be the right decision although it will never be confirmed because it is not susceptible to proof.Strasburg is a man and I doubt that if he and his family were pushing hard for him to pitch that he would be shut down, especially given that he should/could have been yanked after the 2nd tonight, to preserve his arm. I have no idea why he was still out there throwing after the score was 5-0 but I hope to find out.

  229. Ondeck13 - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:26 AM

    Nats Jack – do you think Stasburg's loss of command is due to fatigue like FP said?

  230. Swift Eagle - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:27 AM

    "They're going to have to rip the ball out of my hand"That actually IS a Stephen Strasburg quote

  231. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:29 AM

    F&I, I have been to more Nats games than you have commented on.

  232. JayB - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:31 AM

    Yea Davey is right….they don't need a kick in the ass……not an bit of difference in their focus the past week…..only difference is bad luck and great pitchers like Ricky N and K Kendrick…..not…..They are doggin it and the Vets are showing zero leadership. No wonder Rizzo is hot.

  233. Fear and Ignorance - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:31 AM

    Considering I have season tickets ehay2k…I doubt that is possible.

  234. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:32 AM

    "They're going to have to rip the ball out of my hand …" Who is he kidding? The guy with composure issues: the heat bothers him, humidity bothers him, errors bother him, hits bother him, umpires bother him.Sorry, Stras. You haven't earned the right to talk like a bad ass — not yet.

  235. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:32 AM

    F&I, no one as negative as you would buy season tickets. Maybe buy one ticket from a season ticket holder, but not a full plan.

  236. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM

    You root for the team you have, not the one you wish you had. Should SF fans stop watching the team now that their best player is suspended? They could still win that division despite A-Gon being added to the LA club, and even a mediocre Beckett will probably help them. Same thing in Cincy, what if they lose their lead to St Louis, does that make them chokers, or just a slightly worse team than the .600 club they are right now?

  237. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM

    I think JAYB summed it up rather succinctly.

  238. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    Natsfanjim- Stras pitched today, they did not win. Hard to make an argument to not shut him down because they MIGHT lose without him. Baseball is just not that predictable.

  239. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    Tigers are only losing 7-6

  240. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:35 AM

    Yep, this is an ideal time (night) to shut him down.

  241. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:35 AM

    I agree that the differences among the Nats pitchers is smaller than most people think. It often varies based upon whip, era, and era+ and fips. The damaging thing about Strasburg is the whole mentality of it. The Nats never intended to win this year and it has screwed up their plans and they really have not dealt with the situation well.Honestly, if he is not going to be on the squad for a post-season, it probably is better to get him out by Sept. 1 so that the 25 guys in the dug-out know who he is on-board for this year. There is the notion that he could pitch them into the play-offs in a big game in September but I see little evidence that Stephen would be better at that than Jordan or Gio or Edwin or Det. When Stephen is bad, he often is very bad it seems.

  242. rabbit34 - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:36 AM

    Never make it to the finish line. Nope. But that's ok. Our year was supposed to be next year. This year is all gravy. We've got to GET SOME BATS!!! At least I didn't waste my time watching this game. 9-0 is it in the ninth??!! GET SOME BATS!!

  243. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:36 AM

    If we think our slump is bad now, wait until the Cards get a hold of us.

  244. Swift Eagle - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:36 AM

    Mark not in FLA to provide the Instant Analysis…Pretty easy tonight, Nats Stunk.

  245. Fear and Ignorance - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:37 AM

    ehay2k…lol, if you would like to see my ticket stubs, I have saved them all. Don't you have a metro to catch…my bad, they are on the road.

  246. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:39 AM

    F&I – I have had season tix since 06, and I park in the ballpark garage. If I ever leave a game early, it's because my kids have to get to bed. You think that's wrong of me? I'm OK with that.

  247. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:40 AM

    Stras really needs to work on gettting rid of or adjusting that Reverse W delivery of his — he would last longer, throw faster, and gain far better control of his pitches.Everytime I see him pitch, I cringe watching his Uber Torque in his elbow when he Reverse W's. Uh? MCCatty, do you know anything?

  248. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:40 AM

    A couple of good starts from our pitchers andn some timely hits against them, and the Cards will be wondering how the Nats could have lost five in a row.

  249. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:41 AM

    Ehay and F&I: My pecker is bigger than your's. That's what you guys are doing. Silly. )especially when everyone knows, I have the biggest one)

  250. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:42 AM

    Well, it might be the mechanics that make Strasburg so good, so unless he gets hurt AGAIN, I would not mess with it.

  251. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:43 AM

    The ladies must be out and cruising the bars tonight

  252. Eugene in Oregon - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:44 AM

    Ugly game; unfortunately some ugly comments to match; tomorrow's another day, another game; tonight, Go Padres.

  253. NatsFanJim - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:45 AM

    blovy8: perhaps, but an arm like his is a gift from God — he could vastly improve his skill set.I wonder if he has the maturity to do that, though. His composure issues have really surprised me about him. Either he is immature or is a very quirky guy.

  254. ehay2k - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:47 AM

    WODL, I agree with your post @9:35, where you question Stras' effectiveness. All the Nats SP's are pretty close, and can win games on any given day. And as you said, when SS is bad, he's pretty bad. I do not know how they could have changed they way they are handling it. If the decision was made at the beginning of the season, and they let SS pitch all year long as if he'd be shut down, what else could they do but stay the course? Besides, at this point, he may be proving them right.

  255. NatsNut - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:51 AM

    They probably had too many days off in the last 10 days. It threw off their timing, momentum, whatever. They'll get it back. In the meantime, Davey, start throwing bats at the lollygaggers. Scare 'em.

  256. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:51 AM

    I see no evidence that Strasburg will ever get better as a pitcher in terms of arm strength. He has been fairly consistent, although last year was actually his best, brief as it was. He may still improve his fielding, cunning and composure, but basically any team would take 15-6 every year with a 3.00 ERA.

  257. NatsNut - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:53 AM

    Also…just to balance out the doom and gloom…Hooray! Marlins didn't score in the 7th or 8th innings!

  258. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:55 AM

    There's plenty of room for Strasburg to actually get better, the guy is pretty inexperienced. What he needs to do is learn to hold runners.

  259. DJB - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:56 AM

    If we play like this, we're looking at a sweep by the Cardinals. Our season will be over, and, no, that is not acceptable. This year is not just "gravy." You win when you can, or you never win. We had the opportunity to get Pujols to provide lineup protection for Bryce, but we passed. Same with Fielder.

  260. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:59 AM

    We will the next 5, That is what I say.By the way I have been anti Eck at the beggining when they werem't hitting. I was anti Eck when they were hitting in July. And I am still anti Eck. That I ahve been since 2010 and continue to be.That being said. Losing is part of the game, scoring 6 runs in 5 games and leading in none of them because your starters having fiven up runs early 4 of the 5) is pathetic. That being said tomorrow is another day, and the least we will be in front is 4, but enough is enough.By the way the Quit-o-meter said 99,7% quuit tonight the last 4 innings. Michael Gonzales got the only passing grade.

  261. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:00 AM

    Left out the word win.We will win the next 5….

  262. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:01 AM

    My issue with the Nats is that this needs to be a team decision in deference to the players. Will the Shark ever have another chance to win a title? How about La Roche? Jackson may not. I think the plan would have worked better if they had said what the plan was at the beginning of the season. By never fully spelling things out, the other players and fans are left out drifting in the wind.What I mean is, yes, they said they were shutting him down, but they never said (and have never said) when and under what circumstances. They could have said September 1 or they could have said 150 innings or they could have said 25 games or whatever. So once you state a plan that has no rules, you are basically making the other players scratch their heads and wonder what is going on.I still don't understand why he can't pitch ten innings of relief in the post-season. At least that way, he is still dialed in with his teammates. Oh that won't work because … Rhythm or something? Walter Johnson pitched in relief in the World Series. Nolan Ryan never pitched in the World Series except for relief.How is ten innings in the post-season going to blow up the man's arm? And I won't accept any answers that involve rhythm….

  263. NatsNut - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:05 AM

    GYFPadresG!

  264. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:05 AM

    So Babip applies to pitchers and not to hitters? Let's face it, the Nats were on a pace to win 101 games with the trend line only increasing. They were not quite that good in reality. They lack big bats and they lack an ability to "manufacture" runs, which is not going to develop this year because they have little or no speed.The 1975 Reds lost 6 games in a row, albeit in May, I think, but it can happen to anyone. Baseball and golf are humbling games.

  265. BigCat - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:10 AM

    I fell asleep after the 3rd inning. I dreamed I was on 2nd base and Manassas Nats Fan was on first. We were in the bigs! The Show! Strasburg was pitching. We are both in our 50's. Im 15 pounds overweight, Nats Fan….oh…maybe 17 lbs. I glanced at him at first, I knew by his stare he was thinking the same thing. We were gonna steal! The count got to 2 and 0 on the hitter. Of course, Strasburg was not even looking at us. He didn't give one rats behind about us old farts. Well let me tell you, we exploded after Big Stra gave that final "no look." I felt like Ralph Garr as I barreled into third…safe!! But as every good catcher might do, he threw behind me, looking to get the slower…older Nats Fan. But Nats Fan had gotten a great jump also. Years ago he had told me his idol was Ed "Streak" Stroud and had learned a lot from him. I watched in amazement as Fan went like a locomotive into second with a late "pop up" slide that Davey Lopes and the whole 1970's Dodger organization would be proud of. The ball kicked loose and rolled into center field. I raced home….Nats Fan to third. I glanced at him at 3rd on my way back to the adoring dugout. He smiled. I glanced at Big Stra on the mound…..the urine stain on his pant leg grew wider and darker as I watched. I thought to myself "This can't be the big leagues, they hold runners on in the big leagues. I woke up with my wife shaking me, my Yankee book had fallen to the floor. In my stupor I glanced at the TV…..hmmmm….Marlins 9 Nats 0 Woulda been different if they'd of thrown Joe Coleman I thought. My dog nipped at my leg as I headed upstairs.

  266. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:14 AM

    A Healthy Desmond steals 30 bases. An everyday Bernadina does too. Espy can steal if you don't pay attention. So can Werth and Harper.

  267. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:18 AM

    I hope so because we have seen so many games where just one run could be the difference…

  268. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:20 AM

    Edwin Jackson won a ring with the Cardinals, who were a wildcard team without their best pitcher, Wainwright, all year. It's an odd game.

  269. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:20 AM

    ED STROUD taught me how to steal bases. Freddy Valentine taught me how to field.

  270. blovy8 - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:23 AM

    The point is the lineup would have a few guys who can steal, it's just not a high percentage play usually, and you have to get on base to do it, which they ain't lately.

  271. BigCat - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:26 AM

    Ol Tastey Cake Fred. Who taught you to hit? Brant Alyea? Cap Peterson? Oh oh….please don't tell me Jim French

  272. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:26 AM

    Not a high percentage play? Against us it is 95% successful.

  273. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:28 AM

    The Cardinals are better this year than last year, without Pujols, Jackson and one of their top pitchers. The have the best run differential by far in baseball, but have lost most of their close games.

  274. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:34 AM

    Jim French always won the cow milking contest. Genie Allen and Paul Casanova taught me to hit.RISP the past 5 games 7 for 40. That is a .175 average

  275. NatsLady - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:40 AM

    Sale came out after 4. Sale (15-5) has been Chicago's most consistent pitcher this season, but he worked just four innings. He gave up four runs on six hits with five strikeouts and three walks… (The O's won 6-0). So is Sale hitting the "wall" or do we even know? He has already pitched more than double what he did last year.My observation is this: the leaders are tired and banged up; they have (mostly) played their regulars all year. The under .500 teams are calling up rookies–who, even if they might not be as talented or experienced as the leaders' regulars, are hungry and fresh. Think of Harper when he first came up–now he didn't hustle to make a base hit.Desi is hurt. He is only playing so he doesn't lose his batter's eye while he heals.

  276. BigCat - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:41 AM

    What game you watching blov? Tonight Raymond Burr would of stole on us. Riz needs to go in and yell at McCatty. This is stuff you learn at the age of 13-14 when you transition to to the big field. Strasburg was a joke tonight. Its one thing to get hit. Its another just to just zone out and let evryone rip the bags out of the ground. Even Carlos Lee stole. In all seriousness, we should shut Stra down now. He has had a very good year. I would guess he is at about 80% He has no location….much like JZimm last year. He is 24 years old. The guy has a tremendous future. If we don't finish the year great….so what. And besides…Lannan has earned it

  277. NatsLady - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:53 AM

    BigCat, agree (well, except about Lannan). The sense of "entitlement" here is amazing–to me. The guys busted their butts (and their bodies) to get the record they have, but whoever got entranced by the 99% chance of playoffs or 90% chance of winning the division has not watched baseball. It gets harder from here, not easier.

  278. JaneB - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:56 AM

    I'm going to sleep. Let's get 'em tomorrow. Go Padres! Go go go!

  279. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Aug 29, 2012 at 3:18 AM

    Nats Lady gets the eagle eye observation of the night for this: "Desi is hurt. He is only playing so he doesn't lose his batter's eye while he heals."Great point, and you're probably right. After 128 games (and 30 ST games), the wall is real. I think we'll be fine.In Davey We Trust.

  280. Sec.3, My Sofa - Aug 29, 2012 at 3:20 AM

    Would have stolen.

  281. Schumatrix - Aug 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM

    I don't think that It's bad to say that I'm a little nervous after these losses. 9-0 to the Marlins is never good, regardless of the circumstances.

  282. Drew - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:15 AM

    In other news:Matt Skole has 101 RBIs in 113 games.Potomac outfielder Kevin Keyes, the 2010 seventh-round pick from U. of Texas, becomes the fifth player in the Nats' system with 20 home runs, joining Skole, Corey Brown, Steven Souza Jr. and Jason Martinson.Keyes' on base percentage is woeful, but he's got pop. He hit 17 homers last year at Hagerstown.

  283. peric - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:33 AM

    Hmmm well at least now there are lots of new neg-anons for everyone to complain about. Maybe Sec3 will finally stop blaming me for them.

  284. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:49 AM

    Barves win. Medlen's scoreless streak at 28 and a-third innings.Barves four game. They'll stay there.Back away from the ledge, people. We're in the middle of our worst stretch of ball all season … and we still have a four-game lead.In Davey We Trust.

  285. Maurymania - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:58 AM

    So many trolls. Ye of little faith. You are going to look silly in a week when the ship is righted and we are up 6 games again with about 25 to go. Remember I said it.

  286. rabbit34 - Aug 29, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    NatsFanJim……absolutely correct. You hit it right on the head. If I say it, I'm a troll. Watch out. If you don't agree with the other posters because you don't live in Fantasy Land with them, you'll be trolling too. WE NEED BATS!

  287. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    At some point, we all are trolls to somebody else.

  288. Sec.3, My Sofa - Aug 29, 2012 at 10:03 PM

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