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Game 157: Nats at Cardinals

Sep 28, 2012, 8:30 PM EDT

Photo by Mark Zuckerman / NATS INSIDER
Edwin Jackson faces his former Cardinals teammates tonight at Busch Stadium.

ST. LOUIS — The Nationals weren't able to clinch their first NL East title in Philadelphia this week — which had more to do with the way the Braves played than the Nats — but perhaps there would be some symbolism should they manage to clinch this weekend in St. Louis, where one year ago the Cardinals celebrated their 11th World Series championship.

There's no chance of a champagne celebration tonight, not with the magic number at 3, though the Nationals can put themselves in position to do it tomorrow if they can win this series opener. (Or, of course, if the Braves lose their series opener to the Mets, on Chipper Jones Night in Atlanta. Probably best not to count on that happening.)

Edwin Jackson, owner of a 2011 Cardinals World Series ring, gets the start for the Nationals, looking to become the fifth member of this year's rotation to win 10 games. He'll be opposed by Adam Wainwright, whose first season back from Tommy John surgery hasn't quite been up to his pre-surgery standards.

Updates to come, so please check back…

WASHINGTON NATIONALS at ST. LOUIS CARDINALS
Where: Busch Stadium
Gametime: 8:15 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN2, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500 AM), XM 187
Weather: Partly cloudy, 64 degrees, Wind 6 mph in from LF

NATIONALS (95-61)
RF Jayson Werth
CF Bryce Harper
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche

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248 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. Faraz Shaikh - Sep 28, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    great to have you there, mark. thanks.

  2. natsfan1a - Sep 28, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    Yeah, I wouldn't count on that. :-)On a game note: Go, EJ! Go, NATS!! (And make us proud, MicheleS. Of course, we know you will. :-))(Or, of course, if the Braves lose their series opener to the Mets, on Chipper Jones Night in Atlanta. Probably best not to count on that happening.)

  3. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 28, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    Knock the number at least to 2,

  4. Eugene in Oregon - Sep 28, 2012 at 8:39 PM

    Knocking on imitation wood grain as I write this, as nice as it would have been to clinch in front of the Philly fans, the St. Louis fans understand and appreciate good baseball and respect the history of the game. While they would never cheer a Cardinal loss, I could easily imagine them treating the Nats — and their first division championship — with the appropriate degree of respect (much more than the Nats might have received in the City of Brotherly Love). The key, as always, will be scoring early and often and keeping the pressure on throughout the game. GYFNG!

  5. natsfan1a - Sep 28, 2012 at 8:41 PM

    Agreed re. Cardinals fans, and re. scoring early and often. Go, BATS!! :-)

  6. Tcostant - Sep 28, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    I have to tell you, last time we saw the Cards I was very impressed with Jon Jay. That kid can play.

  7. Section 222 - Sep 28, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    It's very comforting to see the same lineup night after night as we head to the post season.

  8. Steady Eddie - Sep 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    Actually, tonight is probably the best chance of the Braves' losing one in the Mets' series, as Niese has been pitching pretty well and they may carry some momentum into tonight from last night's Dickey win and the team's recent play — sweeping the Fish and taking 3of4 from the Bucs.Which isn't to say that I'd count on a win. Just the best chance in this series.Re the Cards series, we did pretty well against all three starters last time around, and the Cards have been "hot" against the Cubs and Stros, which along with 5 bucks will get you a latte against a real team. Against the last two of those they played, they split with the Dodgers and lost 2 of 3 to the Brewers.I like OUR chances to take 2of 3 just fine.

  9. Steady Eddie - Sep 28, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    Also EJax seems to give a little something extra against the Cards. Gee, wonder why that is?

  10. Ghost Of Steve M. - Sep 28, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Beltran batting 6th. Did he bat 6th when they were in DC?

  11. Section 222 - Sep 28, 2012 at 9:06 PM

    Steady, I agree. With all of our fear of our end of the season schedule against good teams and our supposed slump, we've taken 2 of 3 from the Dodgers and Phillies, and split with the Brewers. Those other teams needed to beat us to make progress in the WC race and they didn't. I'm sure the Cards fear they will suffer the same fate. After all, we have the best record in the National League.

  12. Theophilus T. S. - Sep 28, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    Observation from some articles has been that other than Wright and a couple of pitchers the Mets are pretty much mailing it in. I'm thinking no help from the Mets and the Nats probably will have to clinch next week against Philadelphia. Blecch. Maybe Niese will surprise.

  13. Section 222 - Sep 28, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    Ghost, nope. In the 3 games he played, he batted 2nd.

  14. Steady Eddie - Sep 28, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    Ghost — Beltran hit 2d against us in the three games he played in last series, and sat out (ironically) the Saturday game they won and scored 10 (8 against JZimm).

  15. Steady Eddie - Sep 28, 2012 at 9:18 PM

    Theo, observation from actual box scores indicates that Tejada, Murphy, Hairston and Davis have been hitting almost or as well as Wright in their last two series. You don't score six runs in four straight games if all your hitters but one are mailing it in.

  16. peric - Sep 28, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    Thankfully, no Berkman.

  17. Section 222 - Sep 28, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    Berkman had knee surgery on Sept. 11. This quote is from an article on Sept. 25: "Berkman’s odds of returning are better, but Strauss reports that he’s yet to swing a bat since undergoing a second knee surgery and has toned down his recent optimism about potentially coming back."Don't think we'll see him this weekend.

  18. Feel Wood - Sep 28, 2012 at 9:40 PM

    Dave said… I'm quite concerned about that delivery schedule for playoff tickets. If they are not mailed until Monday, they could conceivably be delayed until Thursday, if the delivery guy comes with a note on Wednesday. (Signature required? No idea.)Yes. Signature will be required. And if they send them FedEx rather than UPS, pickup spots in NoVA are rather remote. I'm in Falls Church and have to go all the way to Eisenhower Ave in Alexandria for FedEx, while there's a UPS Store within walking distance of my house.Thus, in the unlikely event the Nats were playing a tiebreaker game, and it were a day game, a season-ticket holder might not have received the actual paper tickets by the day of the game.Exactly. Especially since most STH have day jobs, and are likely to be at the games Mon, Tues and Wed which precludes going to a remote FedEx or UPS spot to pick up tickets that they can't sign for at home because they're not home.Yes, I know they're available online in MyNationalsTickets, but doesn't it cost some money to transfer them to other people (such as ticket-plan partners)? If that were the case, I would find myself having to spend money getting tickets to people because the Nats ticket office was slow on the uptake.I don't know if it costs anything or not, but until they activate the transfer option in MyNationalsTickets you can't transfer them anyway. Last time I looked, it wasn't activated yet.And even if no transfer were involved, can one print tickets out from MyNationalsTickets? I'm not sure that's possible.It would have to be possible. How else would the recipient of the transfer get the ticket?This is annoying, or maybe even worse than annoying.I suggest all STH affected by this call their reps on Monday and raise holy hell if they don't have tickets in hand by then. I know I plan to do this. These tickets were bought and paid for over a month ago. There's no reason they couldn't have been shipped the very day we ordered them.

  19. SonnyG10 - Sep 28, 2012 at 9:57 PM

    Go Ejax, go Nats! Magic # => 2 or 1.

  20. Dave - Sep 28, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    Thanks, Feel Wood. Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way about this. They had our money long ago. I truly expected the tickets to be here three or four days ago.

  21. JaneB - Sep 28, 2012 at 10:20 PM

    I see Edwin being brilliant tonight against his former team. GYFNG!

  22. Ghost Of Steve M. - Sep 28, 2012 at 10:21 PM

    Jane, key is that quick 1st inning with no runs for EJax.

  23. peric - Sep 28, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    This will be interesting with EJax, Zimmnn, and Wang … them home to Detwiler, Lannan, and ???? [Duke perhaps?]

  24. Ghost Of Steve M. - Sep 28, 2012 at 10:38 PM

    Peric, Nats site says Detwiler in Sunday.

  25. Dave - Sep 28, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    Mark explained in the last thread that Wang was never on tap for Sunday. He'll only start if the Nats have clinched the division.

  26. btharner - Sep 28, 2012 at 11:09 PM

    I apologize if this has discussed before, but has anyone thought of the possibility that, given the way the Braves are playing of late, the Nats and Braves could wind up with the two best records in baseball and have to play each other in the divisional round. Yikes!!!

  27. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 28, 2012 at 11:11 PM

    So MicheleS is representing Nats Insider in St. Louis tonite. GYFNG!

  28. Eugene in Oregon - Sep 28, 2012 at 11:13 PM

    If anyone's a bit bored waiting for the game to start, this offers a 12-minute video reprise of last September 28…http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120927&content_id=39125938&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

  29. MicheleS - Sep 28, 2012 at 11:49 PM

    St Louis I am in you! Go Edwin! GYFNG! I am behind the Cards dugout by 12 rows.

  30. JaneB - Sep 28, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    We will look for your Nats gear, MichelleS! Hex Yadi.

  31. JaneB - Sep 28, 2012 at 11:56 PM

    Fun clip, Eugene! I'm rooting for a lot less excitement this year. At least as far as we go.

  32. NatsNut - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:05 AM

    Have fun MicheleS! Represent us well!

  33. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:16 AM

    I hate to put a cart in front of the horse, but a friend asked.is the tie breaker between 2 division winners.head to head?

  34. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:24 AM

    Good job Harp and LaRoche

  35. Dave - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:30 AM

    @btharner, the Nats will face the Braves if the Braves win the wild card play-in game. That assumes the Nats end up with the division and the best record. If the Nats take the division but Cincinnati has the best record, the Nats will okay San Fran in the division.

  36. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:32 AM

    Ejac they give you alead. Don't give it bavk.Also quit flying open. McCatty send Suzuki with message

  37. Dave - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:32 AM

    Will play San Fran. Stupid autocorrect.

  38. Exposremains - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:35 AM

    Come on. Whats this..

  39. JaneB - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    Ghost, looks like Edwin forgot what the key is.Warm up HRod.

  40. NatsNut - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    If we're tied with the Braves for the Division, the tie-breaker game would be played Thursday in DC (because we beat the Braves for the year). Then the loser of that game plays the Cardinals (I assume) for the Wild Card.

  41. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:38 AM

    Damn it get the maloox out.Mccatty pissed me off why wai til trouble alreay done. Be proactive.2 terrible defensive plays already. Desmond had no chance at second. halliday nowhere close easy out. zim kicks the ball. Why he flying open on pitches. mccatty allowed that.

  42. NatsNut - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:39 AM

    Edwin is just faking them out, getting their hopes up like Gio did last night.

  43. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:43 AM

    I dont trust EJAX. get the bullpen going. Zack Duke get ready.Between the poor play of Desmond and Zim and 2 WALKS. this is pathetic. execution. mc catty didnt do anything and try and stop this

  44. Scott Margenau - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:46 AM

    Ughhh

  45. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:46 AM

    What is going on get him out this is malpractice

  46. Scott Margenau - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM

    EJ needs to forget that inning and pitch a gem the next 5-6

  47. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM

    Now the Bravrs lead. Wjat aterrible 20 minutes

  48. Joe Seamhead - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM

    Well, now, that just sucked. Maybe we should get somebody warming up?

  49. -Dan- - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:48 AM

    This reminds me of that crazy game in Colorado…

  50. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:49 AM

    3 game lead with 5 to play is pretty safe.

  51. Theophilus T. S. - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:49 AM

    Rizzo's chances of Executive of the Year just took a big hit; Lannan's chances of pitching in the playoffs oughta go up.

  52. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    Zimmerman and Desmond are just as much to blame for that inning as Jackson. Terrible fielding by those two on key plays.

  53. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:51 AM

    What disgusts me is that it's Sept and these games are very inconsistent. Just a despicable performance in the first inning. The braves aren't playing like this.

  54. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:51 AM

    They added fuel to the fire for sure.now get the runs back immediately

  55. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:52 AM

    The Nationals are crazy if Lannan isn't on the play-off roster and I am not talking about replacing Jackson. He is better than Clippard and probably a couple of the other relievers.

  56. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:53 AM

    William o it's not a safe lead. Not when you are capable of playing like the Astros at any given moment. Blahhhhhhhh

  57. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:53 AM

    Zimmerman made a mental error by thinking about going home. The proper play was to first. That said, the Cards were incredibly lucky that inning. 2 walks and three soft, soft, soft hits. The hard hit ball was an out.

  58. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:54 AM

    Hey, the Strohs took three of four from the Phils ten days ago.

  59. Ghost Of Steve M. - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:55 AM

    My key to the game at 6:21 clearly didn't happen.

  60. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:56 AM

    I am not surprised by Jackson performance. It's Zimmerman and des that upset me.

  61. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:57 AM

    The main problem with the Braves' opponents is not the players. It is the jerk-off GM's and managers who bring in guys like Mike Dunn to pitch the 9th inning. Why? Why was Mike Dunn pitching? Probably just to prove that he wouldn't be back next year.The hitters and fielders generally are always playing their hardest.

  62. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:58 AM

    Ejax needs to hold them now. We can get to this guy. He is already tired.

  63. JaneB - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:58 AM

    I'm glad Edwin at least made Wainwright work some there. Now let's pray he has discovered his stuff somewhere.

  64. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:58 AM

    Why does Carpenter get excited about a long fly out. That ball not even close.

  65. hiramhover - Sep 29, 2012 at 12:59 AM

    The braves aren't playing like this. If by "playing like this" you mean "playing against decent opponents," then no.The Braves have had the luxury of playing the Marlins in 6 of their last 9 games before tonight. The other 3 were against Philly–whom they played exactly like the Nats, winning 2 of 3.

  66. Ghost Of Steve M. - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:00 AM

    Espinosa swinging at 1st pitch trying to hit a 6 run homer.

  67. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:02 AM

    William o. Did you forget both Braves and Sox had 3 game lead with 5 to go and neither could finish?Nats need runs wasted the second inning

  68. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:03 AM

    William o. Did you forget both Braves and Sox had 3 game lead with 5 to go and neither could finish?Nats need runs wasted the second inning

  69. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    Doesn't matter how good or bad the opponent is if you throw more balls than strikes and have errors.

  70. Exposremains - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    I kept myself from saying it all year but I see why Jackson plays for a different team every year. You never what you gonna get. There's a reason his w-l record is 9-10.

  71. Joe Seamhead - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    MAKE IT STOP!

  72. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:05 AM

    I guess I did because I don't know what you are referring to, Manassas Nats' Fan. I mean, the Majors have had races for over 110 years and since 1995, we have had these ridiculous Wild Card races, so I am sure that pennants have been blown. The Nats have close to a 99 percent chance of winning the division but that ain't 100….

  73. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:06 AM

    What has to happen for Davey to get message.going home for Zim was a good play with a force. Throw would not have to be perfect

  74. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:07 AM

    Gross. Put in jimmy Hoffa.

  75. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:07 AM

    Jackson is a decent pitcher and an excellent athlete. He knows that he is no more than that but he is also a good clubhouse influence. Strasburg has had some horrible games this year, and Gio has had some where he couldn't find the plate. There is no reason why Lannan couldn't come in and pitch here.

  76. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:07 AM

    Some one wake up Davsy. Bring in Dukes.

  77. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM

    I don't think Zimm was going to get that guy at the plate. They gave the cat who hit the ball an rbi. It looks like the Nats have a travel hang-over.

  78. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM

    2 Wild pitches helps another run

  79. Exposremains - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM

    only hope for tonight is to root for the Mets.

  80. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:10 AM

    I mean, we pitched Wang on Sunday, so obviously Rizzo and Johnson are sure we have got this.No competent manager or GM would have pitched Wang if they had any fear whatsoever of losing the divisional race.

  81. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:11 AM

    I guess if the braves had to play the cards they too would walk everybody, have wild pitches, make errors…. It's just not fair. thanks ejax. Big loser.

  82. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:11 AM

    I dont agree with the scorer runner was about half way. i think out was easy til he kicked.someone wake up Davey. He must be taking a nap

  83. Joe Seamhead - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:11 AM

    You gotta yank him.

  84. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:11 AM

    Sayanora!

  85. Joe Seamhead - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:11 AM

    Too late.

  86. NatsNut - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:11 AM

    ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME!?!

  87. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:12 AM

    Why would you yank him now? It is 9-1.

  88. NatsNut - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:12 AM

    At least Suzuki didn't have to block that one.

  89. phil dunton - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:12 AM

    Someone wake up Davey from his nap.

  90. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:13 AM

    Wake up Davey I had him pulled after 3 runs and you didnt care to even to start the bullpen.Total malpractice.Kick him to the bench

  91. hiramhover - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:13 AM

    WasianYou need to find a way to separate your frustration with the way a particular game is going from your understanding of the bigger picture.Yes, these 2 innings are gawdawful, and if they were perfectly representative of how the Nats play, then the team would end the season with 162 losses season and a negative, 9 digit run differential. But they're not, so they won't.

  92. Exposremains - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:13 AM

    Well done Edwin. Nats pitcher not handling playoff pressure so well.

  93. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:13 AM

    Not fair to the rest of the team. Despicable. Get him the hell out of there. Put him on a plane, send him home and trade him.

  94. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:13 AM

    I mean we pitched Wang on Sunday. We have this. They obviously would not have let Wang go out there if we didn't have this.

  95. Exposremains - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:14 AM

    Lets go Mets.

  96. phil dunton - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:14 AM

    Davey could learn a lot from Frank Robinson about the art of pulling a pitcher who clearly doesn't have it.

  97. Ghost Of Steve M. - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:15 AM

    That just was ugly.

  98. Joe Seamhead - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:15 AM

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  99. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:15 AM

    Jackson has been decent all year. That is ridiculous to criticize him and say nothing about Wang, who has been horrible all year and probably cost us several games.

  100. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:15 AM

    For some reason people on this site are in love with Wang.

  101. Joe Seamhead - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:16 AM

    EJ, right about now Scott Boras is happy that he's not your agent anymore.

  102. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:17 AM

    glad to see Gorzo… correct move. I hope Ejac gets to pitch on Wed, we need him ad he needs to get his confidence back. Just one of those games

  103. Ghost Of Steve M. - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:17 AM

    Games like this will really skew the stats. It may have also sealed EJax fate for the postseason with Lannan pitching much better.

  104. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:17 AM

    Don't forget that the Lerners want to sell out all three games next week. We obviously have no financial interest in clinching early.

  105. Nats Fan in Brazil - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:18 AM

    E-jax is a great pitcher when he is on and a terrible one when he is off, Thats why his carrer record is .500 , cant see he coming Back next year, unless he is The WS MVP

  106. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:18 AM

    Don't forget how much the Mets hate the Braves. Just, don't forget that.

  107. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:18 AM

    My concern with Ejac is that there is obvious a reason he is playing on his 5th team in 5 years. A 500 pitcher, having said that, we need him in post season

  108. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM

    You have to work hard to give up 9 runs on only 7 hits. Jackson's ERA is going to take a huge hit there.

  109. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM

    Hiram hover. It is quite possible for the nats to slip and only get a wildcard. The wildcard is only one game. Therefore it is quite possible for them to come out and lay an egg like they have tonight. That is not frustration.THAT IS REALITY.

  110. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM

    This was all mental with Edwin and not physical so that is a good thing

  111. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:21 AM

    The thing is, if somehow we do lose the divison, we know we were better than the Braves anyway, with Strasburg on the roster, so why sweat it? Rizzo and Boras aren't, so why should we peons be worried?

  112. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:21 AM

    Took the lead coyldnt hold it. Big Cat called said the game is not over.

  113. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:21 AM

    here is a good contrast between Gio and Edwin and FP alluded to the point last night that a 500 pitcher would not have been able to come back like Gio, and that is why Gio is a 20 game wiiner. Tonight, FP's point was very well taken, unfortunately.

  114. phil dunton - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:21 AM

    Don't count on Davey ditching Jackson. Look how long he stuck with H-Rod and Wang. He even threw Detwiler under the bus to get Wang in the rotation.

  115. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:23 AM

    Like I say, Wasian, why do you care if Boras and Rizzo don't? We either do it or we don't, but it isn't worth losing sleep over.Rizzo still thinks Wang is a solution for us.

  116. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:25 AM

    That was an important game on Sunday and Wang had no business even being out there as a starter.

  117. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:26 AM

    Carpenter, get your facts straight before you say things. Damn!

  118. Joe Seamhead - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:26 AM

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  119. Drew - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:26 AM

    Ghost et al:While Jackson was a car wreck tonight — and this won't help him get $50 million over four — John Lannan has not had a better year.Lannan's ERA is 4.23. Even with this abomination Jackson's is 4.13.

  120. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:26 AM

    frankly the only issue for Nats s whether or not they will be #1 or #2 seed. I actually would rather play Giants in first round

  121. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:27 AM

    Excellent point mick. I recall a game in Colorado when ejax gave up 9 in two innings. My point is teams trying to win a division in late sept are not laying these eggs. I haven't seen the os or yanks or cards… Put themselves out of the game by inning two. GIO proved why he is so good last night.

  122. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:27 AM

    Damn. Hairston struck out.

  123. Exposremains - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:27 AM

    S. Hairston vs Nats=HR Hairston vs Braves= K

  124. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:28 AM

    Secret wasian man we will win East, worse case is with five to go we are 3 up if Braves win tonight, I like our chances

  125. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:29 AM

    That is not really a fair comparison. Lannan has probably won three of the four most important games of the year. He had one outlier out of five.

  126. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:30 AM

    Wait, didn't the Yankees lose last night? Oh, yes, they did. They lost to the, er, LAST PLACE Toronot Blue Jays, 6-0.

  127. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:30 AM

    I like our chances too mick. Just getting anxious

  128. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:30 AM

    Its 9-1 in o's game also, but O's are up. As I said Yankees are just unstoppable right now

  129. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:31 AM

    Toronto BLue Jays.

  130. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:32 AM

    Cards have won 8 of 11 and after tonight 9 of 12…. I could see them knocking the Braves out. I would rather play Giants in first round gang

  131. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:32 AM

    mick, if you are unstoppable, you don't get shutout by a last place team. As the Yankees did last night.

  132. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:32 AM

    Doodah!

  133. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:32 AM

    Nats lady 6 to 0 after 9 innings. Not 9 to 1 after 2. Big difference.

  134. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM

    Camptown races run all day long!

  135. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM

    Natslady… that was Yanks first loss in almost 2 weeks, tonight they are up 7-1

  136. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM

    DooDah!

  137. Joe Seamhead - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM

    Sorry, WODL. phil dunton said…Davey could learn a lot from Frank Robinson about the art of pulling a pitcher who clearly doesn't have it.September 28, 2012 9:14 PM—————————————–Phil, I like Frank Robinson, and all, but I don't think that Davey Johnson needs to ask a guy with a 680-757 record as a manager a darned thing about how to handle pitchers.

  138. Exposremains - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM

    DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDAAAAAAAAAAAAA. YES>

  139. NatsNut - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM

    Mets!

  140. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM

    Secret wasian man good point

  141. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM

    Oh, Da Doo Da Day!

  142. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    Make up time. Nats lost after leading 9-0. Tonight is the time. Win after losing 9-1.Seems like a plan to me. Anyone object?

  143. Kirbs - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    Ahhhhh thats a 3 run shot!!

  144. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    mick, I like our chances, too. Just have to win 3 games. Not 6 games. 3 games.

  145. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    Lets go METS!!!! ha ha ha

  146. BigCat - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    Here is the thing….have you ever seen a veteran, professional, very good, big league pitcher be left in a game to give up 9 runs in 1 and 1/3 innings. I think this has as much to do with Boras as it does with Jackson. I think the Nats are trying hard to sign Jackson behind the scenes, but as usual, Boras wants the world. Davey is a players manager. And don't tell me Gorzo wasn't ready. Gorzo should of been warming up 3 batters into the game. I'm tellin ya, this was a message to Boras.And yes Manassas, this one ain't over yet. I could hit the Wainwright guy. Just don't chase his crap….make him bring it over the plate.

  147. Exposremains - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    DUDA is my new favorite player, bar none.

  148. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    your off the hook Ejac if Mets score holds, lol

  149. Steady Eddie - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    Duda! How I love ya, how I love ya.Now can that terrible bullpen hold on?

  150. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    Camptown races run all day long, oh de doo da dey….

  151. Drew - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    Lucas Duda's 3-run jack off Hudson puts Mets up 3-1 on Atlanta!

  152. NatsNut - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:35 AM

    BigCat, Boras is no longer EJ's agent.

  153. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:35 AM

    How much of an idiot is the Braves' manager leaving Hudson in to face Duda in a situation like that?

  154. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:35 AM

    Big Cat… that sounds sinister, but i hate to admit it, you may be on to something

  155. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:36 AM

    William O. Douglas Loeffler I hope he can be an idiot for a few more games, lol

  156. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:36 AM

    BigCat, I don't understand your post. Jackson let Boras go a while back.

  157. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:37 AM

    If I were a pitcher in MLB, I would want Wang's agent….

  158. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:37 AM

    Bigcat… I forgot that Boras is no longer his agent… that makes your theory less plauasible

  159. hiramhover - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:38 AM

    WasianCould it happen? Yes. Is it likely to happen? No. That's the bigger picture.One reason it's unlikely to happen is that if the Nats do end up the WC, there's no way EJax starts. We can agree on that, at least.

  160. NatsNut - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:38 AM

    NatsLady, I'll take a diet Dr. Pepper, thanks. =)

  161. mick - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:39 AM

    hiramhover oh darn I was hoping Ejac could start and Hrod could close, lol

  162. BigCat - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:39 AM

    And yes Mick……5 teams in 5 years for Jackson. Teams get sick of Boras and they move him along.

  163. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:39 AM

    Hang on mets.

  164. Joe Seamhead - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:39 AM

    NatsNut is correct. Boras is no longer Jackson's agent. What's you point, Big Cat?

  165. Drew - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:39 AM

    Duda, where's my car?

  166. sjb - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:40 AM

    Miami just beat Philly 2-1. Phils eliminated

  167. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:40 AM

    My system is so slow, I just saw Duda's 3-run jack. Tried to tell you the Cards and Nats are not the only players in this game. Now, we have to root for the Mets to hold on.

  168. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:40 AM

    I am not a baseball man, but what is it exactly that someone in the Nats' organization sees that makes them think that Wang should be starting games during our stretch drive. There was a rumor that they wanted Wang to pitch this weekend!How could that possibly be true? Wang wasn't even good when he was with the Yankees. Anybody could have won games with the Yankees. I just don't get it.

  169. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:42 AM

    Come on, no conspiracy theories. Boras isn't Wang's agent, now is he?

  170. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:43 AM

    I love how Gorzy pitches great when we are down 9-1.

  171. NatsNut - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:43 AM

    Wang pitching this weekend could possibly be true if we had clinched before tonight.

  172. NatsNut - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:44 AM

    See, Nats are losing hard and now there are TWO reason for a happy dance.sjb said…Miami just beat Philly 2-1. Phils eliminated

  173. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:45 AM

    Why did Wang pitch on Sunday? Weren't we nervous then, or something? Use him as a pinch-hitter or a mop-up guy, but please, he has no business pitching in any inning that matters. He has not earned it.

  174. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:46 AM

    Miami can …. my …. Mike Dunn, you of the dopiest goatee in history, good luck in your future profession.

  175. Secret wasian man - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:47 AM

    Yes nats lady imwouldmhave liked to see gorzy after the first inning. We may have still had a chance. Poor gorzy always has to mop up the puke in the cafeteria.

  176. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:47 AM

    WFAN coming in pretty well right now, for those that care to listen, 660 AM.

  177. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:48 AM

    OK, so maybe Gorzy not great… LOL.

  178. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:48 AM

    Mets robbed of a run by a ground rule double. Runners on 1st and 3rd with one out.

  179. BigCat - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:49 AM

    Hmmmm…guess I'll go back in the basement

  180. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:51 AM

    It is interesting watching the ESPN Gamecasts. Zuckerman, of this site, plays things pretty fairly, with both good and bad news about the Nats. The Braves only tweet or whatever, good news, which I think is pretty sleezy, in a journalistic sense.

  181. Drew - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:51 AM

    I'm the Duda, so that's what you call me, you know. That, or His Dudaness, or, uh, Duda-er, or El Dudarino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

  182. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:52 AM

    See, here's the thing. Gorzy needs to keep it 9-1 because we can easily have three 3 run innings if the hitters don't give up. And he does. Don't give up, boys!!!!

  183. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:53 AM

    Braves get a double play to retire the side, with no runs. Ground-rule double rule is one of the least fair rules in sports, but the Red Sox love it.

  184. Theophilus T. S. - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:53 AM

    mick said… This was all mental with Edwin and not physical so that is a good thingThat's not a good thing. If it was physical they'd put him on the shelf until he becomes a free agent. They keep sending him out there because they think that maybe, just maybe, this time he'll get somebody out. There was a reason LaRussa wouldn't start this guy at the back end of the 2011 series.

  185. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:53 AM

    I am not sure that I even want our hitters wasting a huge amount of mental energy trying to come back from 9-1 at this point.

  186. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:56 AM

    Kid never gives up. Love that Kid.

  187. Exposremains - Sep 29, 2012 at 1:56 AM

    Acosta..What?? 6.80 ERA

  188. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 2:01 AM

    Theo, Jackson had a great game the last time out. Clip blew it. I love Clip but Jackson really should have had that one. I don't know why Jackson wasn't "there" today, really, I don't. But I'd take him back on this team in a minute.

  189. Steady Eddie - Sep 29, 2012 at 2:01 AM

    Whether the Mets win or lose, Nats fans should be appreciative that they are going out for the win and not being indifferent. After Manny Acosta with his 6+ ERA K'd Prado on 3 pitches, Collins immediately put in a LH reliever to face Heyward.

  190. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 2:01 AM

    I think I heard La Russa say the Cards needed Jackson to win it all last year.Homer Bailey faces 28 batters in one game.

  191. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 2:02 AM

    2 outs in the 8th in Atlanta with Jones hitting.

  192. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 2:05 AM

    I think Jackson came in wired to face his old team. He had a tough first, what else is new, but Zimmerman and Desmond blew plays they could have made and a bunch of lucky hits squeaked through. It happens. Who cares? I am less mad about Jackson's performance than I am about Clippard's where he blew a huge come-back against the Dodgers.

  193. NatsLady - Sep 29, 2012 at 2:05 AM

    Well, Davey is giving it to the 2nd string. Let's see how they do. Step 1, Garcia, good job.

  194. Exposremains - Sep 29, 2012 at 2:07 AM

    love what collins is doing.

  195. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 2:08 AM

    If the Mets hold on here, then the NL will be over, in a de facto sense, if not de jure, as opposed to the AL.

  196. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 2:10 AM

    On to the bottom of the 9th, Mets 3, Braves 1.

  197. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 29, 2012 at 2:11 AM

    Braves have the middle of the line-up coming to bat.

  198. JaneB - Sep 29, 2012 at 2:11 AM

    Need our bats to wake up some. Or a lot. We've lost a game, even being up as much as the Cards are. We can still do this.

  199. Drew - Sep 29, 2012 at 2:12 AM

    Freeman, Uggla, Ross.Hold on to your hats, kids.

  200. JaneB - Sep 29, 2012 at 2:13 AM

    Go METS! We need you now.

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