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Game 159: Nats at Cardinals

Sep 30, 2012, 5:00 PM EDT

Photo by Mark Zuckerman / NATS INSIDER
Will the Nationals celebrate this afternoon at Busch Stadium?

ST. LOUIS — It's been 10 days since the Nationals clinched a postseason berth. It feels like twice as long. They certainly expected to wrap up the NL East title by now, but the Braves have had other plans and have stretched this thing out nearly as long as possible.

Today, though, when the Nationals take the field at Busch Stadium, they won't need to look at the out-of-town scoreboard. Their task is simple: Win and they're NL East champs. Yes, they could also back their way in if the Braves lose to the Mets in a game that begins 40 minutes before this one. But the players in the visitors clubhouse prefer it not come to that. As one guy said this morning: "We want to dog-pile."

So it will be a motivated group this afternoon, led by St. Louis native Ross Detwiler and catcher Kurt Suzuki (starting his ninth consecutive game behind the plate). All the regulars are in the lineup, another sign Davey Johnson wants to end this thing right here and right now, then give everyone a rest during the final three games against the Phillies.

Enjoy this day, everyone. And, of course, be sure to check in here for live updates and analysis throughout…

WASHINGTON NATIONALS at ST. LOUIS CARDINALS
Where: Busch Stadium
Gametime: 2:15 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN2, Ch. 50, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500 AM), XM 187
Weather: Mostly cloudy, 70 degrees, Wind 8 mph in from RF

NATIONALS (96-62)
RF Jayson Werth
CF Bryce Harper
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche

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264 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. Kevin Rusch - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    Let's go get 'em, fellas.

  2. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    GYFNG!Go Det, show your hometown folks what you got!Go bats, phantom AND real time!Come back home as NL East Champs!

  3. Tcostant - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    I hope the Braves win today, I want my guts to win it on the feild!

  4. natscan reduxit - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:07 PM

    … here's hoping Mike Morse gets to use his 'special' bat today.Go Nats' Bats!!

  5. baseballswami - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    Lost in the whole imaginary grand slam — Mike Morse was trying to hit a sac fly. He seemed pretty happy that he hit it far enough for Bryce to score. He hit a grand slam. His power seems to be coming back – just in time. Sweet.

  6. natsfan1a - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    Go, Det! You can do this. Go, NATS BATS (the real ones, not the invisible ones)!! Dog pile, bay-bee!!

  7. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    Tcostant — I get where you're coming from, but at this point I don't really care whether or not the Braves win. I just want the Nats to win today so they can celebrate on the field.BTW, Daniel Murphy just hit a one-out double to right, so Medlen is at least not unhittable today.

  8. Exposremains - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    Seems like Medlen is not enjoying a big strike zone.

  9. sm13 - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    Let's go Natitude pride! We take care of the Cards today and don't worry about the Braves.

  10. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    remains — Braves announcers saying HP ump Demuth "not known as a pitcher's ump".I read it as, after giving up that double, Medlen would have to earn a larger strike zone.

  11. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    Note that Suzuki is in the lineup once again. (No day game off after a night game.) Davey is in playoff mode until we clinch. Zuk is one of many unsung heroes on this team. We're 27-12 in games in which he has played since joining the team on August 4. Hope Davey gives him a few days off after we put this thing away today.

  12. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    Braves owe the Mets scoreless first to Chipper's glove play.Also, Os get dinger from McLouth, then two singles and a HBP. Not that I especially want them to win, but I definitely want the Evil Empire to lose.

  13. A DC Wonk - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    Tcostant — I get where you're coming from, but at this point I don't really care whether or not the Braves win.I just want the Nats to win today so they can celebrate on the field.Steady — that's exactly where Tcostant is coming from.If the Braves lose before the Nats win, it takes a bit of the excitement out of the dog pile, because the Nats will have already clinched by the time the Nats are in the 7th inning or so. I might not be explaining it well, but do you know what I mean?

  14. A DC Wonk - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    But if the Braves _win_, and then the Nats win, the Nats will have clinched it on the Cards' last out, and then there's reason to celebrate right then — as opposed to celebrating while the game's still going on.

  15. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    Just took a look at the end the previous thread. Sorry that I did. peric was obviously wrong about the inference concerning Miguel Cabrera, and his slur on Michele was not only unnecessary, but despicable. (And no, peric, people didn't jump to her defense because she's a woman. They did so because she's a decent person and you're an obnoxious jerk.) Yet he managed to dominate the thread from the moment he joined the discussion and made his leap of logic about Cabrera. The only way to stop that is to ignore him when he says crazy things. I'm as guilty as anyone of engaging him (including right here), but this last thread ought to be a lesson to us all. I'm sure I will get a rapier aimed at me for this comment (might even be called a bandwagoner or an O's fan, oh no!), but I plan to ignore it, and I hope everyone else will too. I have a lot better things to do today — like watching the team I've followed since day one win an NL East title. Wow!

  16. A DC Wonk - Sep 30, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    To finish the thought: so what I'm hoping is that the Mets beat the Braves, but score so many runs, that there are so many pitching changes that it takes a long time — and that the Nats complete a nice little, say, 3-1 quick victory over the Cards.I.e., the Nats finish a victory _before_ the Braves finish losing to the Mets.If we're dreaming, might as well go for it all, eh?

  17. Nats fan in NJ - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:06 PM

    GYFNG!!! Off to do some outdoors work so I can get a little distracted. This playoff stuff may kill me, but I'm loving meaningful baseball in the fall!

  18. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:08 PM

    DCWonk — While what you said makes a lot of sense, I think it's probably of a lot more moment to us as fans than to the players.The point is that when (assuming that) they win today, regardless of whether or not they've technically clinched earlier, they will all feel with complete justice that they've earned it on the field by their play today (and all the games before, of course). I doubt that for the players, what the Mets may do would take any edge away from what they would feel after a win today — "we did this by our accomplishment today!" But I do like your scenario best, also because it would mean the Braves wear down their bullpen more. (Of course, if we clinch, they'll give all their regulars a rest this week just like we will.)Ain't it great to be able to be speculating on this stuff, instead of mourning the reverse countdown of games played towards 162?222 — definitely, ignore button big time. Don't feed the bottomless attention deficit.

  19. Exposremains - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    Nats need to win. Mets are not very good and Pirates are also bad.

  20. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    3-0 Braves.

  21. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    And after all that about how we MAY clinch today, Ross just hit a three run dinger out, which should be enough for Medlen….

  22. JaneB - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:14 PM

    Be brilliant, Det! GYFNG!

  23. JaneB - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    Those Braves are totally scary to me. But we win today, even if they do.

  24. Another_Sam - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    Glad the game is starting. I'm driving home and I couldn't listen to Braves on xM. They're all Chippef all the time.

  25. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    Nats' magic number vis a vis the Reds for getting the "z" is 3. Go Buccos!

  26. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    Yes, on their TV feed they have been interviewing Chipper's mom for about 20 minutes. Meanwhile, they gave the Mets a run with about three errors on one play. Yeesh, we couldn't get Werth in? OK, Ross, be strong.

  27. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    1 And 2 bayters do exactly as requested. Runner on 3rd with one out 3 and 4 batters forgot their job.

  28. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    Zimmerman hit the ball hard, you can't steer it off the bat…God play by the 3B…

  29. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    "Good" play by the 3B

  30. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    Smart. Walk the guy in front of Holliday.

  31. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    OK…not bad if you plan on K'ing Holliday and you are successful.

  32. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:39 PM

    The pitch Zim missed before that would not have been pulled.despite walk good inning Det

  33. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    Desi looks totally out of sorts in this series. Good thing it's not at all affecting his glove work.Danny should take some bunting lessons from the Shark and JZimm.

  34. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    Since Harper' at bat the hitters took off (zim' was hard but couldnt have been locatef worse)

  35. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    Two walks in 5 at bats

  36. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:47 PM

    Lead off walks. Recipe for disaster.

  37. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:47 PM

    Ugh, now Det being squeezed like JZimm was last night. Ball 2 was entirely within the strike zone.

  38. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    Pitch count creeping up. Can't tell if his stuff is any good because he isn't throwing enough strikes.

  39. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    I HATE WALKS. (I mean, unless we're getting 'em).

  40. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:50 PM

    Yes, Det not getting the outside corner at all.

  41. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    This why you dont walk people.

  42. sm13 - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    Playoff jitters getting to Ross…and now Danny. A round of deep breaths for everyone.

  43. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    Nerves. Nerves. Guys, it's a baseball game. You played baseball all your life. Just play the game.

  44. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    Ok, we'll probably give up a run or two this inning, but we're going to come back and win this game. Don't get too down on Det. He got the DP ball that was needed. Not his fault that he's in this situation.

  45. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    Defense suffers when you stand around waiting for your guy to throw strikes.

  46. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:56 PM

    This Kozma guy has been killing us! Who is he? Can;t get him out

  47. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 6:58 PM

    Is Kosmo slow or something? Why didn't they squeeze?

  48. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    Hope Zach Duke is ready, cause this ain't going well. 54 pitches and only the 2nd inning.

  49. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    Ross not throwing breaking balls with 2 strikes?

  50. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    Dannynis a KKKK machine. If he's going to make errors than there is no point of having him out there. Where is Lombo?

  51. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    Guess you don't have to squeeze if the next guy gets a single. C'mon Ross, don't panic.

  52. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:03 PM

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  53. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    Ouch.

  54. Joe Seamhead - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    NatsJack, no excuses for Danny on that one, though Ross certainly isn't looking too sharp. Uh-oh. Who does Davey go to?

  55. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    Well, there goes the curveball w/2 strikes…Lol So much for that idea..

  56. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    Game over. When does GIO pitch again? Is anybody really confident for the post season the way ejax and now det are pitching? Awful.

  57. Ghost Of Steve M. - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    Secret, so true. 3 unearned now. 5-0

  58. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    Walks and errors. kill you all the time

  59. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    Two starts in a row with no command and a spinner for a curve.

  60. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    I was trying REALLY had to be a Detwiler fan.

  61. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    The kid has a chance to battle out of it and Danny boots a play a 5th grader should make. Very disappointing.

  62. Feel Wood - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    Annoying WB Mason kid, just before he gets molested by the weird mustache guy: "Now you can clinch at home!"

  63. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    Every team in MLB would start Danny over Lombo at 2B…Not even close

  64. Ghost Of Steve M. - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:09 PM

    Daveys strategy to clinch in DC. 😉 ?

  65. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    Apparently they have scored 4 of the 5 runs as unearned. ERA a meaningless stat. Detwiler gave up those runs with walks, etc. Sorry about Danny, but this is on Det.

  66. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    Well then if swift says Danny and his 3 unearned runs get a pass then I guess it must be true. SWIFT is ALWAYS Right.

  67. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    Danny boots it after standing around watching Detwiler play catch with Suzuki.You keep your defense in the game throwing strikes.

  68. Joe Seamhead - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    Sometimes I get confused as to how they score earned/unearned runs. Carp just said that four of those were unearned.

  69. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    SWM….I thought we agreed to an "Ignore Pact"…And yet you keep using my name in your posts…Which is it? Our arguments bore everyone else…You're a knee jerk pessimist, and I'm a cheerleader…Move ON!!!

  70. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    Eagle, 100% with you on Danny vs. Lombo. I like Lombo, good kid, works hard. But he isn't 1/10 the athlete Danny is.

  71. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    Guess Davey is going to make Det throw 100 pitches. 5-0 is not insurmountable, but our 3-4-5 hitters have to wake up.

  72. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:16 PM

    I guess Davey is hoping to allow Det to end on a positive inning…or maybe it just takes CMW an hour to get loose..Lol

  73. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:17 PM

    That strike three to Suzuki is exactly where ball two to Molina was.I guess the combination of bad umping and Espi's E was more than Det could handle, as in past years. Contrast with JZimm last night, tho he DID have clutch D behind him.Let's hope Det can now settle down as Gio did, and we can chip away and not have everyone try to tie it up with one swing.Cmon, Nats!

  74. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:19 PM

    Danny is better. He needs a day off. And I need some time off from all the self righteous chest beating from folks who think they are omnipotent.

  75. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:19 PM

    Steady…… Det doesn't do himself any favors throwing 6 pitches to every friggin hitter.

  76. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:19 PM

    Det is to blame for the bad inning. He walked the first two guys and had several chances to get out of it and couldn't do it. But he is not to blame for the botched DP. Come on, no excuses for that.

  77. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    CMW coming in with two on. Better think like a reliever Chien-Ming.

  78. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    I don't understand why Davey let Det go out there for the 3rd inning. CMW should have come out with clean bases.

  79. Joe Seamhead - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    I agree with NatsLady and Swift Eagle. Lombo has been a great backup/bench player, but he is no where close to Espy as your starting second baseman.Ross and Jackson are both suffering from concentration deficiency issues.CMW? O-key-dokey…

  80. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    No one is "blaming" Detwiler for the botched doubleplay. But you are not going to win games walking 5 guys in less than 3 innings, plus the HR.

  81. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    Seriously Davey?

  82. Smatt1001 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    This is getting really ugly.

  83. Joe Seamhead - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    This is painful.

  84. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    NatsJack — no One could question Det's role in his own meltdown. Just identifying what caused him to lose his focus. Disturbing that this was how he reacted in a big game pressure situation, contrasted with JZimm last night

  85. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    I see Wangs sinker is really working.

  86. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    NL, you weren't blaming Det for the botched DP, but NJ most definitely was.

  87. NatsNutty - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    Now that the score is 7-0 in the 3rd, do you think Davey is ready to pull all his starters and wait until the Nats return to DC to hopefully win another game?

  88. Smatt1001 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    Time to see if the Natsbats can get us out of a 7 run hole.

  89. SFNats - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:27 PM

    Wang is like Davey's personal white flag.

  90. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:27 PM

    Steady…I'm more concerned about the lack of command and no breaking stuff at all.Check how many first pitch strikes he threw and how many times he was ahead in the count.

  91. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:28 PM

    Aw, NJ, lay off CMW. He's not a reliever. This is on Davey for keeping Det in there. All right, time to start chipping away at this.

  92. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    I wasn't blaming Det. Merely pointing out that sharp defense comes with consistent pitching and sloppy defense usually accompanies sloppy pitching.

  93. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    I am not understanding Davey's thinking. I understand about EJax, but why did he leave JZ in for so long? JZ was looking at the dugout every other pitch. Why did he let Det go in for the 3rd inning and just make the hole deeper? I love that KID. Never say die! OK, everyone else FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLE!!!!!

  94. NatsNut - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    What the hell is going on with all of our pitchers?

  95. sm13 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    Bammitude!

  96. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    Yea Jack, it's like Ross can no longer throw a breaking ball! I remember when he was drafted and the "experts" raved about his curve…Haven't seen it has as pro…Bryce continues to be Mr. September….Uh, ROY voters, Todd Frazier? I don;t think so…

  97. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    You have to put Lannen on post season roster if he's not already.

  98. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    Also, responding to an earlier comment. Maybe RZ can't guide where the ball goes, but Ichiro does it all the time.

  99. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    C'mon NL…I thought that Wang comment was funny.;-)

  100. Wendell - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    Not liking this game, but I have tickets for tomorrow night. It would be great if my kid could see them clinch in person.

  101. Joe Seamhead - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    Ok, that's one. Let's go Nats! Bryce is something else.

  102. Drew - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:34 PM

    Two homers behind Conigliaro.Three runs behind Buddy Lewis.

  103. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:34 PM

    NatsLady said… Also, responding to an earlier comment. Maybe RZ can't guide where the ball goes, but Ichiro does it all the time. September 30, 2012 3:33 PM __________________________________Lol! yes he does!

  104. NatsNut - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:34 PM

    I can only see gameday right now. Who's injured?

  105. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    The ump.

  106. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    Whatever NJ. You said it once, and it's a good point. But when your point followed several critical comments about Det's pitching, and when you reiterated the point after several people objected to the idea that the botched DP was somehow Det's fault, that sure sounds like you were blaming him. Thanks for clarifying that that wasn't your intent. If we had turned the DP, the inning might have turned out much differently. But that's not to say that Det is absolved from blame for the big hole we find ourselves in. He pitched a lousy game and this is on him.

  107. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    Even the unbeatable Braves may have some trouble with this StL team….The NL WC game is going to be a barn-burnerAnd with 4 days to go, not ONE AL team has clinched a playoff berth! Amazing

  108. SFNats - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    And Zim take a K on a called strike that was a ball for Detwiler.

  109. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    NatsNut–the ump. He's fine.

  110. NatsNut - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    Thanks NJ. Whew.

  111. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    FP's comment about leaving Lynn in to get the win is yet another reason why wins and losses are a stupid stat.

  112. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Zim started to get his timing back over that AB but he needed to defend the strike zone with two strikes better than that. If he swings and misses, regrettable but at least he was trying to dohis job.

  113. NatsNut - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    And NL

  114. SFNats - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Any team will have a tough time against the Cards if they always get a different strike zone than their opponent does.

  115. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Thanks 222. …you can check with Ghost. I've supported Det all along but now that the games are so important, I tend to be more critical.

  116. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    Yeah, Morse may not have liked it, but this ump has been 100% correct so far per Pitch F/X anyway…

  117. Clip&Store - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    this teams been playing like absolute shit lately

  118. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    I have more faith in Nats coming back than the Mets. :) There ya go, Desi. Back to a 5-run game. LOL.

  119. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    Just like Lombo would have done it!

  120. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    oooooops, Espy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Um, who wanted to take him out again?

  121. Smatt1001 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    And suddenly we have some life… Let's go Nats!!

  122. sm13 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:42 PM

    Ya gotta love this team. Way to go Danny!

  123. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:42 PM

    Davey, I love CMW, but if it's a game now, get someone else warming, PLEASE.

  124. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:43 PM

    Too bad Davey didn't leave Wang in the bullpen where he belongs. It would be a new ball game.

  125. Joe Seamhead - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:43 PM

    Ok, that's two, and there's two more, thanks to Danny Espinosa!

  126. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:43 PM

    OK….Yep. I'm back with interst again.And yes SWM…that's why Lombo is a utility guy.

  127. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:43 PM

    And just as I was thinking, Danny don't try to hit it out, just take what's offered and get a single — and he takes what's offered.GYFNG!!!!

  128. Scott Margenau - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:43 PM

    GYFNG!!!!!!

  129. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    Does Wang have anothet double in him?

  130. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    Well, no way to avoid that one! RIght in the butt. Davey, don't give up on this game.

  131. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    With all the arms in the bullpen, I can't believe Davey sent Wang up to hit. Ugh.I don't love CMW. Twice in a row he's come in in relief and thrown a WP on the first pitch. Terrible.

  132. Smatt1001 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    well CMW didn't have another double in him but at least we have a ball game.

  133. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    Danny jacks one. Who's the dummy who,wanted Lombo?

  134. Swift Eagle - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    Ok CMW, aka the Delicate Flower..it's a fresh inning, you're warmed up…Please give our bats a fighting chance!

  135. Smatt1001 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:51 PM

    If Wang was throwing strikes I could see leaving him in but now it's 3-0 to Jon Jay

  136. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    If he goes 2-0 on this guy he's done.

  137. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 PM

    McCatty just told CMW, doubleplay or you're outta here.

  138. Smatt1001 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:55 PM

    [Insert Primal Scream Here]

  139. SFNats - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    I guess he took outta here.

  140. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    I don't understand that at all. I'm sorry, but this is on DAVEY JOHNSON. What is wrong with you?

  141. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    So CMW has now given up all four runs the Nars just scored.

  142. sm13 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    Last time we'll have see cmw in a nats uniform. Bye-bye….

  143. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    Wish he had gone 2-0 instead of that.

  144. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:58 PM

    Like I said, should have pinch hit for him. Horrible job as a long reliever. Where's Stammen, where's Duke, where's Gorzo? Jeez.

  145. Section 135 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:58 PM

    Wang is Rizzos biggest mistake, worse than HRod. He will be out of baseball in a week. No clue why we even try to use him. Hopefully this will be the last year of injured, past their prime retreads for this team. Put them in the minors and make them prove they can still play.

  146. Section 135 - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:58 PM

    Wang is Rizzos biggest mistake, worse than HRod. He will be out of baseball in a week. No clue why we even try to use him. Hopefully this will be the last year of injured, past their prime retreads for this team. Put them in the minors and make them prove they can still play.

  147. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:59 PM

    I can't believe this is only the bottom of the 4th. It seems like FOREVER.

  148. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 7:59 PM

    Somebody explain to me why Wang is allowed to play at all.

  149. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:00 PM

    Davey, why are you giving up on this game after we just scored four?????

  150. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:00 PM

    Rizzo may have made a mistake but why did Davey use him? I maybe wouldn't have wasted a pinch hitter, but you don't have to bring him back in. Davey is playing to win one in DC, we understand that but there are no guarantees.

  151. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:00 PM

    Wang might be the worst pitcher that I have seen in all of major league baseball this year.

  152. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:02 PM

    Very frustrating that Friday and today were not team losses. The pitchers never gave the rest of the guys any chance at all. Does CMG have pictures of Davey?

  153. SFNats - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    Is Levale Speigner available in the pen?

  154. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    I trust the Pirates more than the Mets, seriously. They are not bad. They are beating CIN and Cueto and they have McCutchen and they will be playing at home. All is not lost. LOL.Plus this game isn't over.

  155. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    OK guys, now pick up where you left off in the top of the fourth.

  156. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    My sincere desire is to never see Wang in a Nationals uniform in any way, matter, shape or form. He is not good, statistically. In fact, he is horrible with a whip over 2 and a 6.60 ERA, which is only going higher.I can only think that Davey wants to lose this game and clinch at home.

  157. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    Somebody explain to me why Wang is allowed to play at all.crickets

  158. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    Nobody forced davey to put in CMW.

  159. realdealnats - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    I'm in the Davey Johnson fan club. Not a member of The Legion of Doom. But I am lost as to why Davey 1) put Wang in this game or any game from here on out, 2) didn't hit for him last inning and 3) kept him in after walking a man to start the inning. This team can come back, but those extra two runs the Cards just tack on were not what that dugout needed…

  160. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    Zuckerman, why don't you tell us why Wang is allowed to go out there and sabotage our team, over and over. What does someone see in this guy?

  161. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    Cards pitcher was struggling. Wang should have been pinched hit for. Davey needs to take heat for this.

  162. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:09 PM

    Harp's plate discipline has gotten incredible in the past six weeks.And Zim's negative contribution at the plate today goes on.

  163. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:09 PM

    How does a team even get 9 runs on only 6 hits? I got home to watch the game in the 3rd inning and the first thing I heard was wild pitch by Wang, which is the same thing he did the last time he relieved.

  164. SFNats - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    He hit that solid and the bat broke. That's not Zim's fault.

  165. Doc - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:11 PM

    Davey lost this game when he put in Wang, then let him bat with about 10 PH's on the bench.What were you thinking Davey?????

  166. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:11 PM

    Wang's ERA actually understates just how terrible he is, because he always manages to let every single inherited runner score.

  167. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:11 PM

    I find it amazing that the coolest cucumber on the team is 19 years old.

  168. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    Davey doesn't care about this game. He is going for one in DC. You watch, he'll take the regulars out next inning and send them on an airplane home.

  169. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    WODL….re:worst pitcher ever…..Daniel Cabrera.But the current CMW is close.

  170. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    Nats have given up 25 runs in 3 games and this one is only half over….

  171. Section 135 - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:13 PM

    I really thiInkn Davey is throwing away this game on purpose just so be can clinch at home in front of th Phillies. No other explanation for him leaving Wang in to pitch.

  172. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:13 PM

    Harper saves Wang from one of the fattest pitches ever thrown to a guy with no power….

  173. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:13 PM

    Bryce still playing. :) :)

  174. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM

    NJ, remember when you and I both thought there was hope for CMW? I see him in Japan next year.

  175. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM

    Is GIO pitching tomorrow?

  176. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    If the Braves tie the Nats, that guarantees Washington 2 home games in a row if the Braves beat up in the play-off and possibly 4 home games in a row.

  177. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    NL, I don't know if you're right though the signs suggest you are. Especially leaving CMW in AGAIN to get knocked around.But if that's true, he's out of sync with his team which showed in the fourth they still want to win this.

  178. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:16 PM

    Wang can't even get the ball to first….

  179. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    So why is he yanking Wang now? Makes no sense.

  180. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:18 PM

    Steady, yep. And they still could. Methany could leave Lynn in (not wise) or put in some middle reliever we can get to.

  181. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:18 PM

    If we can't beat phillies once at home then oh week we don't deserve it. Go pirates.

  182. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    Do they do that W.B. Mason ad about the GSA Schedule in other cities?

  183. Secret wasian man - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    this loss is on Ross and Davey. I do admire they way the rest of the guys are trying though.

  184. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    NL…..agree. He got close but the knee injury in ST pretty much finished him off.

  185. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    Because this year has been so good, none of the media ask Rizzo or Johnson tough questions, like why do you think that a guy with an ERA of over 5.5 in the minors and 6.6 in the majors this year, should be pitching during a pennant race when there are plenty of arms on the bench?Were they seriously considering Wang for the post-season?

  186. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    Halos just beat Texas in the first game of the doubleheader. The AL is so complicated….!

  187. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    Kimbrall in. Good, let them wear him out. Please.

  188. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:29 PM

    At the tender age of 21, Mike Trout became the youngest member of the 30 HR/30 SB club when he hit his 30th home run Sunday off the Rangers’ Yu Darvish.Can't imagine what Bryce will do next year, it's scary.

  189. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    I loved the comment about it not being Wang's fault because he's not a reliever. If he's not a reliever and not a starter, what the hell is he?This one is on Wang. If you can't come in without throwing 2 wild pitches in a row, then you have no business being out there on the field.

  190. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:34 PM

    The game should be five to four now. Why wasn't Garcia or Zak used?

  191. MicheleS - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:34 PM

    WODLTake a look at Mark's twitter feed. He has some good and biting comments on CMW. All the beat reporters are on it.

  192. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:34 PM

    Not scoring in the 6th hurt. We needed to chip away there.

  193. NatsFanSinceStart - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    Hoo Boy: Looks like National Det couldnt handle the pressure of a Big Game. He looked tentative from Pitch One.Wang: Wang is a joke. And not a funny one. Det needs to grow a couple – Wang needs to be given a ticket back home – whereever he hails from.Yet, we just may win this one!

  194. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:37 PM

    WODL, if you read Mark's updates, it's pretty clear he's not particularly impressed by Davey's decisionmaking in this game. So giving him a hard time isn't really justified. I'm pretty sure someone will ask Davey a question after the game about the decision. He or she won't ask it in a confrontational or accusatory way like we might because that's not the best way to get an informative answer.

  195. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    Owe you a drink Michele.

  196. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:39 PM

    Is there a link for that? I had to go through the disappointment of telling my sons that Wang was pitching last Sunday, and now this fiasco where he singlehandedly takes a 5 run game to a 9 run one, with once again a Whip of over two, a gopher ball and two wildpitches.

  197. NatsJack in Florida - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:39 PM

    See how much better it is when your pitcher pounds the strike zone?

  198. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:40 PM

    Trying to understand Davey here. He said in the pre-game, we already are going to play 2 postseason games (at home). Winning a game just gives you 3 games (2 away from home).Give ATL some home for the Division. Let them wear out their pitchers and regulars in Pittsburgh. Not the worst strategy I ever saw. Fredi would bite. Jeez, Garcia is good.

  199. MicheleS - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:41 PM

    Anytime 222Even Boz was on it.and he drinks more Koolaid than anyone.

  200. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:41 PM

    I wasn't criticizing Mark. I hope the reporters hammer Rizzo and Johnson after this game, though, because this has got to stop. Wang never looks good and those two seem to be seeing something else from the rest of us. This is not the first time that Wang has thrown a wild pitch on his first throw.

  201. NatsFanSinceStart - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:41 PM

    Watching Garcia easily blow through the Cards there makes me even more upset with Wang and Davey. WTF is Davey thinking — still tinkering, Davey? Uh Davey, it's a pennant clinching game. What do you think Davey, that Wang is suddenly going to revert to form? And what form is that? ERA at 4.00+ at best. Again: Davey a hero in the clubhouse — a bufoon on the field.

  202. MicheleS - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:43 PM

    WODLMarks feed should be on upper right corner. Try at The NI home page if its not on game thread

  203. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    WODL, for this game at least it's more on Davey than on CMW. After using him in the Dodgers game, Davey knew what he was in this season. CMW came in and did the same thing he did in the Dodgers game, only twice.It really is mystifying. Davey clearly wasn't going to repeat staying too long with Det when he looked like EJax did on Friday night. He started Det in the first place because he was serious about clinching this weekend. Then he brings in someone who gave us no serious chance of winning.I imagine Davey will give the explanation that he didn't bring in Gorzy or Duke both because of the matchups and because he wanted to keep them fresh for potential starts after we clinch in order to give the real starters a little rest. Which still wouldn't explain why he brings in a reliver who would be a garbage time reliever in a post-clinch game instead of his real relievers.If he really wanted to win this game.

  204. Smatt1001 - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    Have to agree with Mark's tweet. Could have used Garcia in the 4th.

  205. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:49 PM

    WODL, it's not the beat writers' job to "hammer" Davey. Someone will ask the question I'm pretty sure. That's all we can ask. They aren't fans, and they aren't there to argue with him.NL, we're trying to understand Davey and we can't. Do you seriously think he wanted to lose today? I don't buy that for a second.Steady — Davey might have had good reason for bringing in Wang. But not for letting him bat or leaving him in as long as he did.

  206. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

    And now he's used all the real relievers — Stammen, Garcia, Duke — he should have brought in (and presumably was trying not to use) in the first place.I know we're all piling on here, but this is incredibly frustrating when Davey is getting in the way of his own team like this on such a huge game.Not the end of the world, we can and should win tomorrow if we can't come back today. But for a young team which is really doing an admirable job of hanging in there for the first pressure September for most, this game was really not constructive when it was inflicted on the team which is really trying like this.

  207. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    Keeping Duke or Gorzo fresh for a start after we clinch? Nah. He can always get Perry or Maya off their couches for that.

  208. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    Davey is playing the percentages. Fans aren't. Neither is Boz or Mark. I thought about it, and I got no problem with it. Maybe Davey made a mistake with CMW (bringing him in with runners on base). But at that time it was 5-0. Try to remember that. At the time Davey brought Wang in, the Cards had a 94.7% chance of winning the game. (fangrahs.com)Davey didn't lose this game. Nor did CMW. Detwiler (and if you want, Espy) lost this game. (Assuming we lose it). fangraphs play log http://www.fangraphs.com/liveplays.aspx?date=2012-09-30&team=Cardinals&dh=0&season=2012

  209. NatsFanSinceStart - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

    Mark is right to show his increduilty of Davey Boy Johnson — that's the manager with a supreme amount of hubris.Mark mentioned batting Wang — which was unbelievably weird — this isn't May, Davey. Its the clincher.He didnt mention batting Det for himself — when it was apparent to all that Det was done.But Davey is so smart, so brilliant. NOT

  210. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

    I don't agree with what Davey did, but I understand his reasoning.

  211. NatsFanSinceStart - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

    With a wiser manager in charge – the Nats would have had 100 wins by now.Right Buck?

  212. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    Wang did, in fact, lose this game.

  213. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    NL, you're a superb Davey apologist. :-) I think you're nuts, but I admire the effort. No one is excusing Det or saying we would have won if he didn't bring in Wang. But 5-4 is a lot more winnable than 9-4. And 7-4 is more winnable than 9-4. And 7-5 (if a Goon Squader had successfully pinch hit for Wang) is a lot more winnable than 9-4. What percentages are you thinking about? I don't see it.

  214. NatsFanSinceStart - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    The boys from MLB Network are correct: the nats won't go far into the postseason because of the weaknesses in their bullpen.

  215. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    222 — I'm sure Davey had his reasons. But if you wouldn't trust him to start a big big game like this, why would you bring him in — knowing what he's been in relief this month — when that game you don't trust him to start is still hanging in the balance?If you're not trying to build him up in a Clip-type thing (and no, CMW CANNOT be in consideration for the postseason roster), why is he in a big game like this at all before it's decided?I trust Davey a lot but can't see any excuse for either bringing him in in the first place, and especially leaving him in when you've seen he was what you feared he was.

  216. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    We lose this game and we are .500 on the road trip. That's what we needed to be. The Barfs had a cupcake schedule, we knew that. We were lucky to get one from the Mets. This game is not the issue. The issue is figuring out how to get Detwiler back on track. That is what I am worried about.

  217. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:58 PM

    Hopefully, Johnson now realizes that Wang is incapable of starting a relief appearance with anything other than a wild pitch.

  218. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:58 PM

    "Him" being CMW, of course.

  219. NatsFanSinceStart - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    Please explain Davey's reasoning, Natslady? How would you know his thinking? just curious.curious to know where you played your ball as well.

  220. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    CMW was never in any consideration for the postseason roster. Period. And 222, you put your finger right on it. Can you trust Detwiler to start a big game?

  221. JaneB - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    I'm worried about Det too. I hope we never see Wang on our mound again (I'm sure he's a nice guy but…) and I wish DJ had put Garcia in earlier.That said, we will be home when they clinch. It's been painful to get there but they WILL and we will be there for and with them. I just hope the Pirates have some verve left in 'em, just n case.

  222. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    I am more concerned with Rizzo and Johnson promising us that Wang will never take the field for the Nats again. We simply cannot waste anymore time, money and resources on a has-been, who in fact never really was, if you look at this Yankee stats carefully.Cut him now.

  223. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    The last 6 games the bullpen less a problem then the starters

  224. NatsFanSinceStart - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    Prediction: Rizzo is not bringing back Johnson — too weird — too odd — too many brain farts.The team won in spite of Davey — afterall, no small ball, no stealing, average pitching staff management (and that mcCatty's job).Davey is Earl Weaver: sit back and wait for the three run homer: and Earl had phenomenal pitching too. interesting.

  225. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    Zim this weekend trying to pull outside pitches. A bad habit for sure

  226. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    We have all these promising young guys on the roster–why is Wang sucking up innings if he is not going to be on the roster? Are they evaluating him for next year? Virtually, every pitcher on the squad has had good games and shown promise except for Lidge, who is gone, and Wang, who should be released immediately.

  227. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    I'm worried about Det too. That's not the issue with how this game was managed. If you were managing the team, would you have (1) relieved him with Wang; (2) left him in after two straight wild pitches; 3) let him bat for himself in the top of the 4th with a man on base; (4) left him in after walking Jay to face Beltran. Those were five separate decisions. The only one I can even see a rationale for is the first.

  228. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:06 PM

    NL — if you're basing this on the percentages — which are BS with this team and its demonstrated capacity to come back, but anyway — then you're saying Davey was in fact giving up the game for lost, waving the white flag by bringing CMW in, and only pulling Det to limit the damage to his psyche.

  229. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:06 PM

    Why do we strike out so much as a team?

  230. NatsFanSinceStart - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    The multi-million waste of money on Wang is hanging around our necks. Using him in any situation is a joke. Even when he won 19 games twice for the Yanks, his ERA was over 4.00. Wang never was any good.Using him is irresponsible — and not fair to the fans who follow, support, and spend huge amounts of money at Nats Park. Shame on you, Johnson.

  231. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    Manassas, you are right. I am not worried about the BP, and Davey putting Wang is was the measure of him saving the BP. Nothing says if he put Stammen in he wouldn't have given up a dinger and scored the runs (he's done that before and so has Mattheus). Remember it was only the 3rd inning. You need 5-6 innings from the BP, where are you getting them? You are not getting them from Garcia–you simply do not want to wear him out in a 94.7% lost cause. So you bring him in for 1 inning, what next? I admit, I would have brought in Duke over CMW, I said that in a post. But do you know how many times the Nats have scored 4-5 runs early and held on to win a game? Probably at least 20-30 times, maybe more. The Cards are not the Mets or Brewers with their lousy bullpens. The percentages were simply not on the side of Davey blowing out his bullpen.

  232. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    Davey's a great manager. He wants to win every game, including this one. He's coming back next season. He really screwed up today. We'll see if he admits it.

  233. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    CMW was never in any consideration for the postseason roster. Period.NL, do you always have to "correct" people by essentially repeating what they just said?

  234. Joe Seamhead - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    It's still a marathon, folks.There is still a game that must be won, and then, hopefully, a playoff series. I honestly think that Johnson looks pretty bad with his decisions today, but it's not all on him. Ross gave up 7 runs, with a little help from Danny and Wang. If Danny doesn't flub the made to order double play ball, that whole inning probably looks at least a little different. Werth got to third with one out in the first and Zimmerman and ALR stranded him. We just had two guys on and one out and didn't score in the sixth. Now, in the eighth we strand ALR at third.This is a team loss, dealt to us by our inability to produce in several fazes of the game.PS. I'm bummed, because my prediction that the final Phillies series would be meaningless has now almost certainly been proven wrong.

  235. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    I think Johnson is very good at managing personalities. I doubt beyond that, that any manager really matters a lot. Casey Stengel won five World Series in a row and then managed the Mets in 1962, winning 40.

  236. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:09 PM

    Eddie, someone said that, that Davey bringing in CMW was Davey's version of the "white flag." I didn't like the ragging on CMW (who is, after all, a human being) but I agree with the sentiment.

  237. NatsNut - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:11 PM

    Seriously?NatsFanSinceStart said…Prediction: Rizzo is not bringing back Johnson — too weird — too odd — too many brain farts.

  238. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:11 PM

    Wang isn't and wasn't under consideration for the playoff roster. Nor was Davey thinking about next year. Davey just wanted to follow Det with a RH long reliever. Someone who could go more than one inning. Stammen pitched last night. He thought Wang pitched decently against the Dodgers after the initial lack of control. So he brought him in. I'm not going to criticize him much for that decision. But the subsequent ones are another story. It was clear Wang wasn't going to keep the deficit stable and he should have been replaced ASAP.

  239. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:11 PM

    Eddie, someone was asking about CMW and the postseason. I can't figure who said what. I'm outtta here. There has GOT to be a better blog. Bye.

  240. NatsFanSinceStart - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    Natslady: 5-0 in the fourth inning is not a game you give away. Get off this Fangraph thing — I don't care if 'they say' it's a lost game. This is baseball and you don't give up a game down 5 runs in the fourth.You are bending yourself into pretzels defending a horrible job by the manager. But you make a fool out of yourself sighting Fangraph's contention the game was lost in the fourth to defend Giving the game up.Where did you play your ball? Oh, I forgot. Everyone who can quote Billy Beane, Fangraph and read Sabermetrics is a Baseball Guru. Give me a break.

  241. NatsFanSinceStart - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    Oh My God! Pus Throwing Lannan goes tomorrow night. What a waste of good money.

  242. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    Thanks, NatsFanSinceStart. I want everyone to realize as well just how mediocre Wang is. People said he was decent last Sunday–he was not. He got in trouble every inning. He did get a double which may have fooled Davey into letting him hit.The Nats have spent a huge amount of resources on this guy and, unlike Lannan, Wang has give zero back in return. I don't know if he is a nice guy or not since he apparently doesn't speak English, but I do know that he apparently lacks the concentration to come into a game as a reliever and throw a pitch within ten feet of the catcher. Please Wang, go foist your wares on some other unsuspecting team…. Tell them that you are pitching like it is 2008, whatever it takes….

  243. Section 222 - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    NatsFanSinceStart– That's the second time you've pulled this "where did you play your ball" crap. It's sexist and stupid. Lots of very good analysts, male and female, never played ball (or played it in Little League only, which doesn't qualify you for anything.) So cut it out.

  244. Steady Eddie - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    NL — the "somebody" was me, and I wasn't asking, I was saying no way. So you can respond but can't be bothered to see who you're responding to or what they actually said?

  245. Joe Seamhead - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    Now you see why you don't bring in the soft tossing lefty Zack Duke to pitch against this heavy hitting RH'ed lineup.And how long do you think that you could have left Garcia in if you had brought him in for Det in the 2nd? Or even for Wang in the 4th?

  246. SFNats - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    Not a great day at the office for Davey, that can't be denied. But with what he's done with this team since he took over? No question he gets a pass for a bad decision now and then.

  247. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM

    Lets get 7 in the 9th

  248. Manassas Nats' Fan - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    We cut to 7-4. Then Wang gives up 2 and the batters quit. I dont like when we quit

  249. Another_Sam - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    RealDeal – I'm with you. I feel this year about CMW like I felt about Lannan last yer. Don't give him the ball.

  250. Joe Seamhead - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    Folks, when Wang came in we were already down 5-0, and there were runners on base. We scored 4, count them, 4 runs. Do the math, it's no hard. Wang did not cost us this game. Neither did Johnson, unless you want to blame him for starting Ross.

  251. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    No, Eddie, it wasn't you. It was that idiot William O. Douglas Loeffler I was responding to. this is what he said,Were they seriously considering Wang for the post-season?And I remembered perfectly well who said it, I was trying to be polite and not name names. I won't try that again.

  252. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    Men on first and second, one out. The score was 5-0. Wild pitch moves men to second and third. Wild pitch scores one run. Sac fly scores second run. Ground ball ends the inning. W

  253. SFNats - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    Leaving Wang in to give up another couple when you'd just scored 4 to make it a ballgame is a questionable decision. Especially when you let him hit with a man on third.

  254. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:30 PM

    Detwiler obviously left us in a bad situation, but a decent inning of relief would have kept the score at 5-0. Instead Wang, (I am not cool enough to use his initials) comes in, and apparently cannot be bothered to throw either of his first two pitches in the vicinity of home plate. Wang takes an inning that was imminently manageable and converts it into essentially automatically 2 runs. 5 run comebacks happen much more often than 7 run comebacks and Wang was not done yet.This one was on Wang.

  255. Joe Seamhead - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    Off -topic,, but NatsFanSinceStart, didn't you say some time ago that your son played on the MD Patriots when Justin Maxwell played for them? My son also played with that team the whole time Max played there. What position did your son play?

  256. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:35 PM

    222, thanks for the defense, but don't worry about it. My IQ is probably 40 points above anyone else who posts here and still not close to Davey's. I'm used to the sexism. Once I submitted an article to a magazine and it was rejected. Years later I found the article in an old file, sent it to the same magazine but used a (non-identifiable) pseudonym. Of course, it was accepted and published and I got the check in the mail…

  257. natsfan1a - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    Yuck, just yuck. That one was deflating. Just try to shower it off and head for home, sweet home. FP put out the Nat signal. It's time to get after it tomorrow.

  258. Joe Seamhead - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    My guess is that Davey Johnson will take the blame for the loss. He usually does.

  259. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    Seamhead, who I very much doubt is a stathead, is exactly correct. As I said, I don't agree with what Davey did, but I understand his reasoning.And if you want to be even more cynical, Davey wants home games for player bonuses. The more games, the more gate.You tell me. Would you go to the game if the Nats had clinched in St. Louis? Will you go to the game tomorrow (or Tuesday or Wednesday) if they haven't clinched. It's a business, people.

  260. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:44 PM

    Seamhead, of course he will. :) I don't even have to watch the postgame. That's a lock.

  261. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    Davey is a very bright guy and he certainly would never attempt to put all of the blame for what happened here on Detwiler. We have seen the Nats come back from five runs down in the late innings quite recently. No one who understands even a little about baseball would view Wang's performance as anything short of a fiasco.

  262. NatsLady - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:53 PM

    Absolutely. Wang was a fiasco. He's done. And he only did "marginally" well in his previous outing (not horrible, but certainly not great).

  263. Joe Seamhead - Sep 30, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    NatsLady, I am certainly not a stathead, at least not in the contemporary sense.I felt that Johnson used, and stuck, with CMW for exactly the reason he just stated. He didn't want to burn the best of the pen in a game that the starter couldn't even give you three innings. Look, Wang is done for the year, maybe forever, but like I said in an earlier post, you couldn't get 7.2 innings out of the rest of the BP without jeopardizing your options tomorrow.

  264. Tcostant - Oct 1, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    Now I want the Nationals to just win tonight, since I'll be there!

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