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Game 4: Nats at Reds

Apr 5, 2013, 7:11 PM EDT

Photo by Mark Zuckerman / NATS INSIDER
Great American Ball Park hosts the Nationals this weekend.

CINCINNATI — The Nationals spent a lot of money this winter on Dan Haren — $13 million for one season of work — because they believe the veteran right-hander can be a consistently effective starter at the back end of their rotation and revert to the form he displayed most of his career, not what he displayed last year in Anaheim.

Tonight we'll get our first official look at Haren, and he'll face a tough task in the Reds' potent, powerful, left-handed-laden lineup, not to mention the cozy dimensions of Great American Ball Park. Haren had a bit of an erratic spring, but he finished strong and, above all else, proclaims himself 100 percent healthy as the season begins.

No changes to Davey Johnson's lineup; it's the same top seven, with Kurt Suzuki back behind the plate for his second start of the young season. I'll be curious to see if Johnson gives anyone tomorrow off, with a day game following a night game. Though as Davey pointed out yesterday, pretty much every one of his regulars insists on playing every day.

Updates to come…

WASHINGTON NATIONALS at CINCINNATI REDS
Where: Great American Ball Park
Gametime: 7:10 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN2
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500 AM), XM 186
Weather: Clear, 55 degrees, Wind 10 mph out to RF

NATIONALS
CF Denard Span
RF Jayson Werth
CF Bryce Harper
3B Ryan Zimmerman

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254 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. mick - Apr 5, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    55 degrees in Cincy, man that is a heat wave, lol

  2. Steady Eddie - Apr 5, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    Hmmmm, "wind 10 mph out to RF". Did the Reds set that up for their LH hitters?(Of course, with Harp and ALR, and Zim's ample oppoboppo capabilities, that can kind of even out.)

  3. Steady Eddie - Apr 5, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Hey, mick! Glad to see you back here for the regular season!

  4. Doc - Apr 5, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Desi, Espi, and ALRGarcia are all in a bit of a 3 game slump. TyMo and Lombo await their beconked call—maybe tomorrow????Even Gooners deserve a chance to play once in a while!

  5. NatsFanGino - Apr 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    I bet Lombo will be in there tomorrow. Back to the regular starters for the Sunday showcase with Strasburg.

  6. Laddie Blah Blah - Apr 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Pressure on Haren, but he's a seasoned vet. The Nats, 1-5, have started to square up the ball. If they can do the same to Bailey, could be a breakout game for ALR and make Haren's task a lot easier.

  7. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    I wonder if today we might get to see Zach Duke for the first time …

  8. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    I bet Lombo will be in there tomorrow. Back to the regular starters for the Sunday showcase with Strasburg.Its not like last year there's no opening in left-field. And that now pretty much belongs to T-Mo (not TyMo he doesn't need a Tylenol that's Gio). And Espy is one of the guys who absolutely refuses to sit.

  9. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    Interesting blog entry by Wagner. Looks like they've finally convinced H-Rod to bring the velocity down in favor of control. Only use the top rung heater where it fits.

  10. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    Ladson tweeted that Danny has shaved his beard.He doesn't want to come out and he's not Werth or Strasburg.

  11. NatsJack in Florida - Apr 5, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    MASN stinks. Every other game I watch has a pitch count included with their little score box.NO. Not MASN. MASN stinks!

  12. Timothy Folk - Apr 5, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    … peric is annoying

  13. Knoxville Nat - Apr 5, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Can we give up the T-Mo vs. TyMo discussion and just stay on the topic of baseball? I mean really, how darn childish do you have to act on here before your act has worn out?

  14. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    Timothy Folk is a broken record.

  15. IKN8wxU2 - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    Danny may have shaved his beard, but it does seem like he could grow back a full beard in about 48 hours.Anyway, hope the shave gets his bat going.

  16. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    NO. Not MASN. MASN stinks!And … you've just now figured this out? Where have you been?

  17. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    I mean really, how darn childish do you have to act on here before your act has worn out?Just keeping up with the sniping NJack in the box and his pal Seamhead. And why not? Its not like i'm the only one dude.

  18. A DC Wonk - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    Beg to slightly differ with a comment above: ALR's been hitting the ball well, just bad BABIP luck. In game 2, he smashed a would-be homer that hooked about 6 feet foul. I think last game he hit one to the warning track in left, etc etc.

  19. A DC Wonk - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    Ladson tweeted that Danny has shaved his beard.Daughter-Wonk approves. And also adds that Werth's beard (in it's current state) is magnitudes better than the pic they show on the scoreboard (which must've been middle of winter or something!)

  20. Knoxville Nat - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    "And why not? Its not like i'm the only one dude."But on this particular post you were the only one who had brought it up at the time I responded. Peric,there are times when you have something insightful to share with the group and they are appreciated. However there are other times when you need to rise above the third grade level and just let it go.

  21. Rich P. - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    All the scoreboard pictures were taken on photo day early in spring training. That's why Desi's photo has the porn star 'stache that only lasted for a couple weeks before he shaved it.

  22. SCNatsFan - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    Danny might not want to sit but he needs to earn his way onto the field. His spring training shortened swing stayed in Florida. Have to win tonight. Stay on track to win 173 straight.

  23. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    We're getting like Steinberg and his Bog … looking at mustache's and beards.

  24. Steady Eddie - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    Wonk — agree completely on ALR, he's been a (hopefully very short-term) victim of BAPIP, plus the wind (that one to the warning track in left was definitely kept in by the ~15 mph wind blowing directly in from left, as was the high shot by Danny to left-center that was caught.Plus that would-be second deck homer was foul by no more than about 18 inches (it flew almost directly overhead where I was sitting, only a little bit more, y'know, less foul).

  25. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    Danny might not want to sit but he needs to earn his way onto the field. His spring training shortened swing stayed in Florida. The problem is Lombo's spring wasn't anything to write home about. Only Tyler Moore presents the interesting conundrum as a potential up-and-coming future impact bat. At least until Rendon is ready.

  26. Section 222 - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    No conundrum with TyMo. He's our hairy chested RH bat on the bench, sitting next to Davey, with Tracy on the other side. None of our outfielders will need a break for awhile, nor does LaRoche. I don't expect to see him in the field till the end of the month.

  27. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    I hope to work "beconked call" in somewhere, but frankly, it might be a bad idea.

  28. Candide - Apr 5, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    Doc, if you could enlighten the dummies among us what a "beconked call" is, I would appreciate it. The word "beconked" is apparently nowhere to be found on Al Gore's Amazing Internet, apart from here, so you may have coined a new word. Now it just needs a definition.

  29. natsfan1a - Apr 5, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    Auto-correct meets "beck and call" perhaps?

  30. MicheleS - Apr 5, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    And we have our answer when the bench guys will play:Mark Zuckerman‏@ZuckermanCSN Asked if he might use day game tomorrow to get bench guy or two in lineup, Davey said: "Too early for that."

  31. Section 222 - Apr 5, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    According to the NIDO Glossary, auto-correct was responsible for Gorse Hacking, one of the most venerated, though now defunct, NI expressions. May beconked call have a similarly long and fruitful life.

  32. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    I thought it had something to do with conch trumpets.

  33. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    Wait, bthu … we can't use Gorse Hacking, but we can still use the sing-along?? (Which started playing LOUDLY in my head as soon as I typed it!)

  34. Candide - Apr 5, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    When I mis-typed "beconcked" into my search engine, I got, 'Did you mean Beyonce?'"When I typed "beconked," I got, "Did you mean, 'beckon?'"I just have visions of TyMo and Lombo getting playing time because Harper and Espi get concussions from sliding into home and getting conked on the head by the catcher's elbow.

  35. Sam - Apr 5, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    The Nationals lineup you: L, R, L, R, L, R, S, R, RReds: L, R, L, R, L, R, R, R, So, I don't get the left – handed laden thing. Sorry to be a jerk, Mark. I just don't agree. Real life question, though: I saw Haren in the Nationals dugout yesterday. Doesn't the SP usually travel ahead of the team when they are traveling

  36. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    We should start that … conch trumpets, I mean, not conking people.

  37. Sam - Apr 5, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    The "you" should say "by handedness"… I'm not quite sure how that happened.

  38. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    OK, so "waiting for a beconked call" may be like waiting for Wally Pipp to take a day off. Just waiting, next to Davey, in the tall grass of the dugout. "Go ahead, take a day off…"

  39. Theophilus T. S. - Apr 5, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    No visions of Beyonce playing?

  40. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 9:31 PM

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  41. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    Mark was speaking of elite hitter Joey Votto and the big power bat Jay Bruch bring to the table. PLUS Shin-shoo Choo. That's the equivalent of LaRoche, Harper and Span versus Votto, Bruce and Choo? I think most folks would pick the Red's version over the Nat's at this point in time. Votto is an elite hitter LaRoche certainly is not. Harper could be an elite hitter someday but he's just starting out … and Span versus Choo I think Choo gets the edge offensively but we'll have to see. As for the Nat's "other" left-handed bats? Espy is a switch hitter. Jury is still out on him but would you pick him over the Red's second bagger Brandon Phillips? In the rest of the slots the Nats have the advantage defensively for sure. Offensively the Nats will likely be somewhat better.

  42. sjb - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    Sam: That usually happens when the team has a long-distance road hop (to the West Coast or Arizona from DC, for example) the day before a game, so the SP can be guaranteed a full night's sleep (or at least the opportunity). In this case, they're only going to Cincinnati from DC, so it's not necessary.

  43. JB - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    Sec 222 (and others),I go back to the O.G. Insiders and that first spring training with MZ. I used to comment frequently, but work and two little kids and the expanding number of comments/thread made me pull back to just reading the posts for awhile.This is one of the first threads I've participated in awhile, so permit me some obvservations:1) The NIDO glossery is fantastic. An internet community that is willing to share it's "code"? That goes against all "I'm cool cuz I get the joke and you don't" internet commenter rules! Which is why, still, that NI is one of the best sites and communities in baseball.1a) Somebody add "The Onion" to the spreadsheet. And FoF.2) Reading this thread, it's clear that nothing has changed about certain commenters. *sigh*3) GYFNG!2005-2007 STH aka JB aka NatinBeantown aka Just some guy listening to Charlie and Dave on his phone in Ohio.

  44. Steady Eddie - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    JB — welcome back, great to have you contribute!Only it should probably be "Onions" to avoid confusion with the satirical but too-close-to-reality-lately publication.

  45. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    … and Kobernus seems like he is starting out where he left off in Harrisburg last season in Syracuse. Ross Ohlendorf pitched superbly are we sure they'd pick 82 mph fastball Chris Young? Marerro, Brown, Walters, and Owings are off to good starts. Once Rendon gets there it could get very interesting … I'd expect all of NJack's cross checker buddies could be watching Syracuse very closely this season … there's a lot more solid depth there than anyone realizes.

  46. natsfan1a - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    but…but…I like using it…Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa said… Wait, bthu … we can't use Gorse Hacking, but we can still use the sing-along?? (Which started playing LOUDLY in my head as soon as I typed it!) April 05, 2013 5:15 PM

  47. waddu eye no - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    Sitting in blossom traffic listening to the O's game and they're talkinf about the nats. Love it

  48. natsfan1a - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    I remember you, NatinBeantown. Good to "see" you!aka JB aka NatinBeantown aka Just some guy listening to Charlie and Dave on his phone in Ohio.Um, Eddie, I think Onion was in reference to Solano rather than, er, onions. :-)

  49. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    2) Reading this thread, it's clear that nothing has changed about certain commenters. *sigh*Seems like the same is true for you too Beany but what else is new under the sun? NJack finally discovering that MASN really sucks? Excepting Kerzel, Kerr, and former Silver Spring resident Dan Kolko of course. Wonderful Nats post-game show featuring the Ori-hollio stars of the MidAtlantic post-game report Tom Davis and Mel Antonen. The show's lede in song "Bird, Bird, Bird is the word".

  50. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    we can't use Gorse Hacking,You'll have Magnolia Muscle Attacking soon enough … Mikey Mo was an irreplaceable effervescent big power bat … the team loses some personality … but Mikey Mo is in the right league given his defensive skill set and age. Hopefully, he will not become an elite hitter …

  51. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    Sitting in blossom traffic listening to the O's game and they're talkinf about the nats. Love itProblem is they are again looking like a pretty good AL contender up there in the Innuh Habbah.

  52. Section 222 - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    I remember you too NiB. Welcome back to the party. The Glossary appears to have been updated.

  53. Steady Eddie - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    1a — I know it was referring to the Solano boys, and that it was an onion truck. I was just suggesting that you could call him Onions because that's what the truck was carrying. (Because he's not an onion but a guy who once of necessity consorted with onions. All in the cause of baseball.)

  54. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    talk about Chris Davis, another go ahead hit, a grandslam this time.

  55. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    talk about Chris Davis, another go ahead hit, a grandslam this time.He looks like the real deal. How in heck did Angelos get that luck is what I want to know?

  56. Section 222 - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    Steady, you could call Bernadina "Speed Racer" too. But we don't. Solano is The Onion. We can't go around changing a guy's nickname, all we can do is just repeat it and put it in the Glossary. :-)

  57. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    "Speed Racer" is Ladson's very own nickname for Bernadina. Because according to Ladson Bernadina doesn't deserve to be called "the shark". As far as I know Ladson is the only one who uses "speed racer".

  58. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    Steady Eddie, good point but I think we don't get to change that.

  59. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Hopefully, he will not become an elite hitter …Typo: Hopefully Mikey WIIl become an elite hitter like Votto and Pujols. I can't think of anyone more deserving …

  60. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Dang. 1 to Deuces.

  61. natsfan1a - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Ah, got it. Can't recall which teammate named him but as 222 says, we just repeat it and update the Glossary. :-)Steady Eddie said… 1a — I know it was referring to the Solano boys, and that it was an onion truck. I was just suggesting that you could call him Onions because that's what the truck was carrying. (Because he's not an onion but a guy who once of necessity consorted with onions. All in the cause of baseball.) April 05, 2013 6:35 PM

  62. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    I'm gonna wind up owing kegs.

  63. JB - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    Now that's service! My only other noted omission is a reference to the Speigner Reverse Lock.(And hilarious, Steady Eddie. My mother warned me about hanging out with those who consort with onions.)

  64. natsfan1a - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:53 PM

    Toga! Toga!

  65. natsfan1a - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:53 PM

    (That was for the kegger. But I digress.)

  66. natsfan1a - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    Done. :-) Now that's service! My only other noted omission is a reference to the Speigner Reverse Lock.

  67. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:04 PM

    I wonder if the Phillies will soon be recalling their kid starting pitching prodigy Petitbone who is pitching against Roarke tonight. Given the problems Halladay seems to be having.

  68. NatsJack in Florida - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    Really looking forward to Haren tonite. He showed some extreme professionalism in Viera.

  69. MicheleS - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:10 PM

    Wow, No crowd on a Friday in Cinci.. maybe late arriving????

  70. NatsJack in Florida - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:18 PM

    It's not all bad for Philly. Eric Kratz hit his first home run.

  71. MicheleS - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    NJ.. I want Haren to pitch really well tonight. Fingers crossed, rabbit's foot out, and Joey Votto Voodoo doll with multiple pins in it

  72. MicheleS - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    Dang it. Voodoo doll needs to be decapitated.

  73. NatsJack in Florida - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    I just want him to match Bailey.

  74. Candide - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    Haren's fastball topping out at 90?

  75. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    The Nats being **loaded** seems an understatement ….Zach Walters they young shortstop for Syracuse already with 2 home runs just hit one against IronPigs ace Jonathan Petitibone.

  76. MicheleS - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    Well at least Philly lost.

  77. SCNatsFan - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:29 PM

    God the Reds announcers are homers

  78. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:31 PM

    Perez with a triple its now 4 zippy over Lehigh and this is a team that literally crushed the Chiefs last season. Wow, these guys are playing better than any SYR team I've seen in a long time.

  79. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    God the Reds announcers are homersSwitch the broadcast. Its only worth listening to the other side when the Mets are involved.

  80. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    Five zip Chiefs in the top of the 2nd. Wow.

  81. MicheleS - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    Dang that was a nasty pitch from Haren

  82. MicheleS - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    well, need a Todd Frazier voodoo doll now.

  83. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    Hmmm looks like they might have Haren figured out.

  84. NatsJack in Florida - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    Fastballs down the middle will go a long way.

  85. UnkyD - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    WTH?!

  86. Joe Seamhead - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    Well, that was a heck of a play by Ryan!

  87. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    This ump is tough on Haren's split … he's not getting the calls …Other pitches do not appear to be working well for him.

  88. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    Problem with those two pitches was the location. The left field seats.

  89. Joe Seamhead - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    LoL, Sofa!

  90. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    Ron Cey used to do that about as well as anybody I remember, leaving his feet and going full horizontal for the throw. Hated that guy when we was with L.A. Well, we hated all the Dodgers.

  91. phil dunton - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    Edwin Jackson would have been a huge upgrade over Dan Haren. Chris Young to the rescue??

  92. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    37 pitches or Haren so far …

  93. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    Hey, who took off the validation tags on the NIDO?

  94. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    Chris Young to the rescue??Given the way Ross Ohlendorf pitched? I wouldn't be so sure … and it sure looks like the rest of the rotation wants to follow suit.

  95. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Haren's career HR/Fb% 10.5%. He has had some seasons with greater than 12%. total 219 HRs in 10 seasons. we are not done with that aspect of his game I think.

  96. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Oh, wait, I was going to find a beconked call … a Hawaiian klaxon, if you will.

  97. NatsFan05 - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Wow, last I looked the Phils were winning 4 zip, but lost 13 to 4. Lovin it, Hehe..

  98. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Its not Haren's night so far.

  99. baseballswami - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Really wanted Det to go in the four spot. Oh, well, lots of baseball to go. We'll see. Maybe Haren can pull it together . Maybe the Nats will start hitting, maybe Homer will lose it. Horrible bunt, truly horrible.

  100. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    NatsFan05, I think that means you have to check in again tomorrow, and then not look again.

  101. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    Man, Span just gets on base somehow. He just does.

  102. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:58 PM

    Hmmm. Is it me or is the strike zone getting smaller every inning?

  103. Joe Seamhead - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:58 PM

    Swami, I think Haren will miss the Braves series. That might have had something to do with the staff order.

  104. peric - Apr 5, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    Definitely not Haren's night … nice recovery for Votto.

  105. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    Hmmm. Is it me or is the strike zone getting smaller every inning?Umpire's get cold too Sofa. That's what happens this early in the spring in the northern climes with night games.

  106. baseballswami - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    Could be, Joe. Haren and Det have not pitched in a long time. I will be glad when every starter is done getting his feet wet.

  107. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    Chiefs up 6 to nothing in Jersey. Zach Walters starting out fast. As Rizzo said depth is not a problem …

  108. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    Desmond needs to work with LaRoche on his technique there. Stretched way too early.

  109. Joe Seamhead - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    Ian Desmond gotta catch that throw from Werth.

  110. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:07 AM

    Haren looks a bit rattled now … at pitch 50.

  111. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:07 AM

    Maybe Haren needs to grow a beard.

  112. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:09 AM

    As I said earlier it could be a night for Zach Duke's debut. Five innings looks like the max for Haren tonight.

  113. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:09 AM

    Indeed, Joe, it didn't look like that bad a hop if he hadn't already stretched himself into a short hop. Shouldn't anticipate there.

  114. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    Haren and Suzuki overlapped at Oakland, didn't they?

  115. MicheleS - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:12 AM

    OOOFFF

  116. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Time for Zach to start warming up.

  117. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Oh, come on, kid with the glove in the first row! He totally ducked away from that.

  118. Joe Seamhead - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    If Ian had caught that ball none of those runs score. You can't give these guys four outs.

  119. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:15 AM

    Haren's at 60 pitches now after 3 losing 5 to 0. 75 – 80 pitches? If Harren doesn't get the velocity up on his fastball with sink as he did this spring he's going to get hammered.

  120. NatsFan05 - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:15 AM

    Swami was right and this should have been Det's game. That should be it for Haren tonight.I hope the boys have a big come back in them tonight.

  121. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:16 AM

    They're still carrerras limpias, Joe, even so. Hard to say it's tough luck for Haren, though–that out would have been a gift, of sorts.

  122. PDowdy83 - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    Agreed Joe. Votto was dead to rights and Ian needed to make that catch.That said it is pretty hard to draw conclusions about Haren off of this start. His velocity seems to be about where expected and he has thrown some flat out nasty pitches for strike outs but he also has missed on 3 obvious pitches. 10 days off and pitching in that ballpark will make this an aberration hopefully. Neither of Cozarts would have been homeruns elsewhere.

  123. PDowdy83 - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:19 AM

    Sec 3, speaking of people in the front row ducking away. Did you see the guy in Arizona who bailed on a homer and it hit his GF in the head?

  124. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    Yeah, they're down 5, so they need baserunners, but this might be a good time to just go hacking. He's throwing strikes, mostly. The ball is carrying, at least compared to the last 3 games. Or maybe not.

  125. baseballswami - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    I think it will be interesting to get our first look at how the 2013 Nats face this adversity. Do they think it's over ? Do they dig down and fight? Do they really think every single game is important? We have been ahead by more than this and lost, remember? This guy is not their ace. Let's see if they adjust and figure it out.

  126. Exposremains - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    Was not impressed by Haren in Spring training and he looks the same. Could be a big mistake by Rizzo takaing an expensive chance on this guy.

  127. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    PDowdy, you mean last season? And his former-as-of-that-moment girlfriend? That was pretty funny, actually.

  128. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    OK, I take it back about the strike zone shrinking. But I'm sticking with the hacking. Not that it's helping Desmond.

  129. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:24 AM

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  130. NatsFan05 - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:26 AM

    Adam and Desi just need to relax and get going.

  131. NatsJack in Florida - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    Velocity = nothing. Command and movement = everything. See Barry Zito.

  132. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    The fan was reaching over, but the ball almost hit him in the face. That one made it on its own.Props for not ducking, though.

  133. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    so was that interference? hard to tell from here.

  134. Candide - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    Well, at least the review will give the Nats bullpen time to warm up…

  135. NatsFan05 - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    This is tough to listen to.

  136. PDowdy83 - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    I never have understood why they don't have a gap between seats and the wall.

  137. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    Either way, he did hit the snot out of that.

  138. Ron In Reston - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    Ok, I usually don't post during games…but Jason Marquis is apparently wearing a Dan Haren suit.Chris Young, come on down…or up…or over. I wasn't sure how tonight was going to turn out, but I surely didn't see THIS coming

  139. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:33 AM

    very close. it can go either way.anyways, Haren in Cincy is just a bad combination. I had a feeling this would happen.

  140. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    Meh. It's one start.

  141. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    Chris Young, come on down…or up…or over.There's a reason why Chris Young couldn't get any bites from another major league team. He's throwing 82 mph on his fast ball. Harren's is not what it should be averaging around 85 but comparatively speaking?Chris Young is Livo left-handed.

  142. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:36 AM

    anyways, Haren in Cincy is just a bad combination. I had a feeling this would happen.Its possible Zach Duke could be better than Young. I guess we'll see him sometime tonight … I suspect as much.

  143. NatsJack in Florida - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    This is the same issue Haren hsd starting out last year. He's thowing a flat cutter over the heart of the plate. Not good.

  144. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    Haren at close to 80 pitches. Duke time.

  145. Joe Seamhead - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    Just a reminder. The worst that happens tonight and nobody has any better record then us. It's baseball Haren will have better days.

  146. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:40 AM

    There may be other pitchers named DarvishBut they won't make me wish we had them, too.Yes, I may dream of P-F-B, but how can they come true,When there will never, ever be another Yu?

  147. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:41 AM

    Tanner Roark with a no-hitter after five in SYR.

  148. baseballswami - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:43 AM

    Again- how will they react and respond to this? That will be the true measure of the team. Rattled or resolute? Desi, Danny, ALR, need to get going. I thought the small park might help them. Not so much. Maybe the goon squad wants to hit?

  149. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:44 AM

    True, I expect him to be better than this. That's why I was excited when Nats signed him.

  150. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:44 AM

    Nah, it's the fourth game. No drama here. The starting pitcher didn't have much, in a bandbox. No worries. If they don't come back tonight, they'll sleep fine.

  151. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    Faraz, I expect he will be. It's a marathon, not a sprint.Gulp,Bang.

  152. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:47 AM

    True, I expect him to be better than this. That's why I was excited when Nats signed him.Velocity wasn't there tonight but the control was. No walks 5 K's. Not as bad as it looks. Hopefully, as the weather gets warmer his FB we'll get back over 90 again.

  153. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    Geez, it's quiet in here. Are we the only ones who didn't get dates?

  154. Nattering Nat - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    You all are answering my question, ahead of my asking it. I ain't panicking, hardly giving up on Haren in his first start, but his propensity for long fly balls and Cincy park, plus he's not in a groove yet, made this not surprising an outcome.Being an optimist, I'll say this is the perfect game for the Nats to lose. Cincy may think it's a cakewalk, Nats don't get too cocky this early in the season, Det to follow tomorrow, Haren is/was the real wildcard in this rotation.The question being answered–of course not now, but how long do you think Davey would wait, if there are more outings like this, before considering a replacement? Late April, 4 or 5 starts? Mid-May, 8-9 starts? Later? And while I was happy Chris Young could be waiting in the wings, the implication from posters here is he's not really ready for prime time.So, if Haren is this year's Jason Marquis–premature, of course, but come on, it's gotta be in everyone's thoughts–then who would be on call to take his place?

  155. PDowdy83 - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:50 AM

    Anybody calling for Chris Young or Duke over Haren after one start needs to pump the brakes. As stated earlier he is coming off a 10 day layoff. If he has the same problems pitching on normal rest and in other ballparks over his next 2 or 3 starts then yes it is a problem but after 1 start people should give the guy with the 3rd best K/BB ratio among starters of all time the benefit of the doubt.

  156. EmDash - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:50 AM

    I know it's not fair to judge Haren by one start, but he was the part of the team (non-Henry edition) that made me the most nervous, so call it confirmation bias, but this game has reinforced that in a pretty big way. I hope I'm wrong about him, that's for sure.

  157. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    Costanzo joined the party with an RISP home run. Syracuse in another rout of the Philthies farm team and against their prodigy. 11 – 0 SYR over the Jersey Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs.

  158. PDowdy83 - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:52 AM

    Peric, that is Haren's velocity. 89-91 is what he sits at and has for the last several seasons. He isn't a hard thrower.That was a nasty hook from Duke to Bruce.

  159. EmDash - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:52 AM

    If he has any issues for his next start, it may be wise to let him travel ahead of the team to stretch/relax/whatever well in advance.

  160. UnkyD - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:54 AM

    but…but…I like using it…Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa said…Wait, bthu … we can't use Gorse Hacking, but we can still use the sing-along?? (Which started playing LOUDLY in my head as soon as I typed it!)————-As the official copy-right-holder for "gorse-hacking", in its many permutations, I say it's as relevant today, as it was at the end of last season. Considering it originated as a typo, comparing the relative merits of playing Laynce Nix or Rick Ankiel, against LH pitchers, the departure of Mikey (even if he was our fave gorse-hacker!), shouldn't relegate it to the dustbin of Nats history…. In fact, it's high time the Gorse was Hacked at GABP!!! Why, they're knee-deep in gorse, up there!!!!HACK THAT GORSE!!! GYFNG!!!

  161. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:54 AM

    'perfect game to lose'we have not lose anything yet.

  162. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:55 AM

    Confirmation bias, worrying too much, pessimism, call it what you like. And I wouldn't put too much stock in what you read in here, most of the time.

  163. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:55 AM

    Unearned run for Duke.

  164. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    Hard to keep the gorse up on a night like this, though.

  165. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:58 AM

    However, if the Nats get shut out in the bandbox? There has to be some consternation. But, I'm sure Davey will blame the cold weather. Hitters take longer to come around etc. Harren's velocity can also be attributed to the cold I expect.

  166. PDowdy83 - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:58 AM

    Our middle infielders need to come get throws from the catcher and the outfielders. That is 3 balls in the 2 and a half games I have watched that have gotten away.

  167. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:59 AM

    and hacking the gorse is trademarked, not copyrighted. that's my trademark, complaining about pointless distinctions.

  168. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:00 AM

    PD, no, the catchers and outfielders need to make better throws.

  169. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM

    The good news tonight? If the Chiefs get Rendon in June they might almost qualify as a major league team. That's significant depth in a 162 game season.

  170. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM

    I'm gonna go get my rally pizza.

  171. SCNatsFan - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:02 AM

    The tough part is how Haren is fooling no one

  172. baseballswami - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:03 AM

    So did I miss something? Is the game over? What about our potent lineup? They can't figure things out by their third time through? Doesn't matter if the Reds have seven if we have zero-they could have one and still be ahead., I want to see some adjustments and resilience. Let's go, Nats! Win or lose, I don't want to see them befuddled. Rally!!!

  173. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:06 AM

    Tanner Roark no-hitter after six against the Phillies vaunted Iron Pigs.

  174. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:08 AM

    Desmond boots it. Here comes a steal against Duke and Suzuki.

  175. Joe Seamhead - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:08 AM

    Argh! Come on, Desi, get in the game!

  176. PDowdy83 - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    Peric. What part of Haren's velocity isn't down are you missing.Avg Fastball velocity since 20092009 – 90.52010 – 90.52011 – 89.82012 – 88.5Avg Splitter velocity since 20092009 – 86.22010 – 85.42011 – 85.52012 – 84.1Tonight his fastball was sitting 88-90 and touched 91 a time or two. His split was sitting around 85. That is right in line with his velocity over the last 4 years. The main issue was his pitches were flat and location was off. Like you stated earlier though he didn't walk anyone and he still struck out 5 so his peripherals weren't bad. He gave up 3 homeruns that would have been doubles in 26 of the 30 ballparks.

  177. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:10 AM

    So did I miss something? Is the game over? What about our potent lineup? They are not going to be a strong offensively this season replacing Morse with Span. Rizzo picked defense and speed over offense. But, its a long season changes might transpire …

  178. PDowdy83 - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:10 AM

    I find it funny that Carpenter is talking about stealing with this big of a lead when that whole think with the Cubs and Nats happened last year over the same reason and he defended the Nats because they lost a game last year when they were up 8-0. Way to go Carp.

  179. PDowdy83 - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    Sec 3 yes they do need better throws but the fielders need to come up on them. Espinosa was waiting with his glove on the backside of the bag instead of the front side. Same thing happened in one of the games against the Marlins. The glove should be on the front side of the base to avoid the incoming runner if the throw is short hopped. Better throws would obviously solve the problem but little things like that also help save runs.

  180. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    Tanner Roark leaves the game with a no-hitter after 6.

  181. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    that's just bad luck.

  182. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    Danny 2 for 3 and clean shaven. Guess he staves off Lombo …

  183. PDowdy83 - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:20 AM

    Peric, I do have to give you credit for the Duke thing. I didn't think they would take him over Gorzelanny (mostly because I thought some team like the Astros would sign Duke as a starter) but you were definitely right on that one and he has looked pretty good tonight.

  184. baseballswami - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    Yes it was bad luck. However, Danny is showing signs of becoming hitterish. That would be nice. I realize the pitcher was good tonight. Major league hitters like ours should be making adjustments. The National league is lousy with good pitching. Nice to see Zachary Duke getting some work in the Gorzo slot. Will be nicer still when the offense clicks.

  185. baseballswami - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    Gorzo also seemed to leak when he came in.

  186. Exposremains - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    all right..i'm done with this

  187. PDowdy83 - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:28 AM

    Wha wha. Guess I jinxed Duke. As soon as I mentioned he looked good he got shelled. That kind of night. Shrug it off and get them tomorrow.

  188. Joe Seamhead - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:28 AM

    Yeah, Duke looks great…Not.

  189. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:29 AM

    I hope that was scores as an error on Zimm, trying to be to fancy with that ball.

  190. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:30 AM

    Gorzo was perfectly fine … but way too expensive for his role. With Milwaukee he has a chance to contend and he's in the rotation. I liked Gorzo. But they hired him to start not mop up.Now, one can look at Houston and we find Brad Peacock in that rotation …Duke is looking a bit worse than Gorzo right now … Gorzo throws harder and is a legitimate starter. I just figured they'd pick Duke because of the job he did for SYR, his attitude and demeanor since he was a former All Star with the Pirates and the price and years were right. Winning 15 for last year's SYR team as a starter was pretty miraculous. This year its an entirely different story.

  191. NatsNut - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:31 AM

    We can just call this game, "managing expectations."

  192. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:32 AM

    Here comes H-Rod.

  193. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:33 AM

    Let Henry loose I say.

  194. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    Scratch that I guess with the Lohse signing Gorzo gets moved back to the bullpen.

  195. baseballswami - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    And the night just gets better….. Would love to see that zero go away. It's the little things……

  196. ehay2k - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:35 AM

    This is only one game, but our offense certainly looks BAD. It's not like the Marlins put up a fierce lineup of pitchers, and we didn't put 10 runs on them. When the Nats make contact, it's like the ball isn't going anywhere. This is only a bandbox for the Reds? And no one (perhaps besides Harper or Gio) seems to be able to hit a breaking ball.Early yet, so we will see how things pan out, especially once we run into true staff aces.

  197. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:35 AM

    Apparently Henry is working on getting confidence and control versus raw velocity. Good game to continue his good work from last night.

  198. Joe Seamhead - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:36 AM

    Davey throws in the towel with Henry in to pitch and Tyler Moore at first.

  199. baseballswami - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:39 AM

    Tyler Moore at first is not throwing in the towel. He is a good 1b and is not 0 for 13. He might actually hit the ball. Looks like the evil Henry tonight. Hide your women and children.

  200. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    Davey throws in the towel with Henry in to pitch and Tyler Moore at first.He'd pull Zim not LaRoche. He's looking for some offense from Moore. Even with the score. Zim's the one with the shoulder. Also Werth.

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