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Instant analysis: Nats 7, Reds 6 (11)

Apr 6, 2013, 8:40 PM EST

Associated Press
Wilson Ramos high-fives Denard Span after homering in the sixth.

Game in a nutshell: In the wake of the most-lopsided loss in club history, the Nationals looked like they were going to bounce back with an impressive performance to take Game 2 of this series between top NL contenders. Ross Detwiler tossed six strong innings, escaping a couple of jams along the way. Bryce Harper, Wilson Ramos and Jayson Werth all homered to pace the offensive attack and open up a 5-1 lead that looked comfortable. But then disaster struck, if only temporarily. The Reds scored twice in the bottom of the eighth against Drew Storen, though he would've been out of the inning if not for a double-error by Ian Desmond and Harper, allowing one run to score and the tying run to advance to second base. Storen managed to wriggle his way out of it, though, striking out Xavier Paul to preserve the two-run lead. RafaelRead more »

  1. MicheleS - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    This WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO brought to you buy Craig Stammen!!!I am going to go vomit now

  2. Grandstander - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    Cardiac Nats strike again!

  3. Secret wasian man - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    HAHAHA WOW. Way to battle guys. The ORIGINAL NATS get it done. That was big.

  4. JaneB - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    I am so so happy for Wilson. Way to take back THAT park, Wilson! His second dinger made the difference. And how clutch is Craig? I love love love him.

  5. djinFl. - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    That is the Steve Hayes effect on your stomach Michele.Great win… I expect the same type game tomorrow

  6. mick - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Advice from from old Mick, that I learned last season from Coach SJM… try not to post during the games as us emotional guys get carried away.Let me just state this about Ian Desmond, I am sure he knows 4 errors in 5 games is not good, but time and time again he always comes through with the bat. Soriano looked like Henry today, I hope that was a glitch. overall, what CHARACTER game!

  7. Positively Half St. - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Detwiler deserved better, but all that matters is the win. It is starting to look like Mr. Ramos is all the way back.+1/2St.

  8. mick - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    yes, I think Wilson Ramos has recovered, LOL

  9. mick - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    Det is going to win 20 this season. Stammen showed the mental toughness that may force Davey to consider him as a closer at some point. these are all good problems

  10. NatsJack in Florida - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    MAN! THAT WAS FUN!!!!!

  11. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    Great game nats. Why are Trolls attacking me. I don't even know you.If you cant talk baseball in this forum but personalize everything — just leave. No one needs you.

  12. Steady Eddie - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    One of the most impressive things about Det's pitching was how he was totally unfazed by all the bad calls in front of him and errors behind him. Up until at least the beginning of last season, he would lose it when that stuff happened (thinking of the grannie he gave shortly after he didn't get a blown "out" call at first in the 4th (Sunday) game of the opening series with the Reds at home last year.No longer. Calm and unflappable. As he showed in Game 4 last October.

  13. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    Det deserved a better fate. Him being the #4 starter is truly a joke.

  14. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Good to see Ramos untracked — If Desi and Ramos are getting untracked, along with a rejuvenated Desi, we might even make up for Morse's exiting power

  15. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    I meant to say "a rejuvenated Espi"

  16. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    Now, let the O's wipe out Minn. and the day is complete

  17. MicheleS - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    Wise Words Mick! Don't post during the game threads.Did love that Det pitched really well. Storen got hosed by the ump squeezing him and the errors. Clipp was down right Nasty. Umm Soriano.. meh, I am sure it is a bump in the road.Buffalo with 2 BIG BOMBS. Not a fan when guys Pimp it around the bases, but I forgive him for that, those Bombs were paybacks for his ACL.And Mr Werth, have yourself a day. Gluten Free! HA. Ian will be fine. He did crush that ball.

  18. Dave - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    This seems to have been a good day to stay out of the game thread. I followed this one on Twitter. Much calmer and more reasonable.

  19. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    What is it with Oriole fan haters here? I saw Orioles fans referenced several times today like their bad people. I believe if you're a true baseball fan, you root for both teams — especially since their in different leagues and were our only baseball teams for4 40 years

  20. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    Thank God we won this one. I had had with the negativity of some posters. I will refrain from making some remarks.Anyways, have I ever posted here that I do not like this park? Don't get me wrong, this park would be great for a HR derby contest but for a baseball game? I am not so sure.

  21. djinFl. - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    SteveBecause you complained about everything Nats, including personal attacks on players, the entire game.There is no question this site is filled with Nats kool-aid drinkers, and I would guess that by tomorrow the regulars will have started to skip all your post. So as pointed out earlier, "you will be talking to yourself"

  22. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    Dave, Are you for real?? This was a calm calm day. I recall last year seeing some real ugly games. a couple people were crazy angry here today, but it was kept to a minimum — but very insulting

  23. Positively Half St. - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    Steve Hayes- Angelos continues to hinder the Nats. That's the basis of our ill will.+1/2St.

  24. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:03 PM

    Djin?? are you serious? Turning around your trollish behavior on me? Grow up, old man.You're on perpetual ignore — you don't deserve any thing more — geez — again, Grow up

  25. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    Perpetual, Hard to like Angelos

  26. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    I understand a bit nowBut I'm passionate about both teams — go to both cities for the games — I just like more baseball — but my sentiments on Angelos: Why have the Angels allowed him so much earth time? haha

  27. Steady Eddie - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    Steve Hayes, you are a textbook example of projection.

  28. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    Too bad you're not a textbook example of anything

  29. Positively Half St. - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    Steve Hayes-I think you should enjoy the O's if you wish. They are pretty exciting this year, too. It's good that you see where we are coming from, though.

  30. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    There lots of Trolls here who don't like new people who talk — lots of immature folks — but I like talking baseball and do not like personal attacks.Looking forward to talking baseball with nice people. Trolls, please stay away

  31. PChuck - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Joey Votto is the new Lance Berkman.

  32. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Yes it is good. But Angelos has been there since the 90's — and I never let an owner come between me and a team that I like.Nats fans shouldn't either. Plus, the Orioles catered to Washington fans for decades — the moment we get a team O's fans are shunned and insulted because of the O's owner?? Sorry, that makes no sense to me —

  33. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    Pchuck haha McCellan sure tried to bail his arse out, didn't he?

  34. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    This site is a riot. Just talking baseball is considered perslnally attacking players. Commenting that a player like Haren, is washed up — you're attacked for personal attacks?? Ludicrous. I do hope these Trolls aren't regulars here — if they are, they are going to get awfully sick of me by July 4. For I talk the game of baseball — if you like Drama go watch a soap opera — but don't talk to me, thanks

  35. Positively Half St. - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Steve-Angelos did his best to keep the Nats out of DC, he makes sure the O's get better coverage on MASN than the Nats, and he has delayed resolution of the TV deal that would give the Nats more payroll flexibility for over a year. This is active agression against our team. That's different than us disliking someone like Hank Steinbrenner, who only runs a team we might dislike.You don't have to agree, friend. I just think we have a pretty good case.

  36. MicheleS - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Dave, that is the beauty of Twitter.

  37. The Fox - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Nice game by Detwiler. 4 of our 5 starters have pitched very well. I'll give Haren a month of starts before I start looking for a replacement but if the Nats need one I'd think about stretching Stammen out. Yea I know we need him in the bullpen but it's easier to replace a bullpen arm.I also think Cincinnati should seriously think about using a humidor like Colorado does. Their field does not play like a MLB field.

  38. natsfan1a - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    Haven't read the past two game threads and didn't watch this game as I had to work. That said, my two cents' worth: root for whatever team(s) you choose, but don't lecture me or anybody else regarding which team(s) to root for. It's a personal choice. That said, this being a Nats blog, there is always plenty of Nats talk here.

  39. Positively Half St. - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Fox-I don't know if Great American is as bad as Coors used to be, but I have to say that I find park effect to be one of the charms of baseball. It's almost sad that Candlestick was replaced in SF, given its windy quirks. I think that many would disagree with that, but the potential for something random like a gust to alter the game just added to the painful suspense.

  40. Timothy Folk - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Det.. Clip.. Stam brought it today… And by June Ramos will be catching 2 outta 3 games….. peric & steve hayes are annoying

  41. Chevy Chase Bob - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    How many more games to the Nats play at that joke of a ballpark? It is arena baseball.

  42. NatsJim - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    Bob, Zimm said the other night after the Marlins sweep that they'd be done with the Reds by the end of April, so sounds like this is our only trip but I haven't looked at the schedule.

  43. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    Positively: I am well aware of all things O's and Nationals — being a very avid fan. Even so, I can separate my high disdain for Angelos and the like of his team. I understand why some can't. No problem there with me. But I like Buck, and I like the makeup of their team. I root for the O's and a light a candle for Angelos to repent and become a nice person

  44. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    Positively: another note. When I refer to the Nationals I would say "my' team. When I refer to the O's I would say "their" team. That might summarize the intensity of my support for each team.

  45. NatsJim - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    Just finished reading the gamer, I'm envious of those who were wise enough to skip it… ugh.

  46. Joe Seamhead - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    How many strikes does Votto get? Jeesh, that was terrible on the HP ump's part, but as MicheleS so eloquently stated, we won the game in spite of the blue.

  47. pwilly - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    Once you get past the closers the Nats had the advantage with their bullpen. Time for Stras to settle things down tomorrow.Also, this blog is called Nats Insider. Not DC/Baltimore Baseball Insider. Talk about O's stuff all you want, just not here. I'd be glad to search for an O's blog if needed. I hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings.

  48. Candide - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    NatsLady retweeted this, from a Reds fan, thought it bore posting here:Mr. R ‏@MisterRedlegs Nats color analyst F.P. Santangelo called each pitch of Stammen sequence to Bruce—fastball to get ahead, breaking pitch, slider in the dirt.

  49. Candide - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    Cunegonde and I both had to be away from most of the game this pm. I managed to catch a few innings of it at the gym. When I finished my workout, it was 5-1. When I got out of the shower, it was 5-3. When I pulled into our driveway, it was 5-5.I couldn't stand to watch, so I went and watered the flowers.Cunegonde came home, and I asked her what the score was when she got out of the car. It was still 5-5.Again, couldn't bear to watch. Went inside, looked at my twitter feed, and MicheleS has a one-word tweet: "BUFFALO!!!!!!" so I figured something excellent had happened.Went downstairs and turned on the TV. Cunegonde and I went through a quart of Maalox and a gallon of bourbon and went to the ER to have our stomachs pumped.Okay, that last sentence is not entirely accurate…Anyway, just before we turned off the TV, Cunegonde said, "I want to watch tomorrow's game and learn to keep score."Cunegonde is a good woman.

  50. original Nats Fan - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    Nats never quit. Plate umpire also gave 2 HBP when neither Red was touched and Wilson was safe at first. Umps have not had a good series.

  51. natsfan1a - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:50 PM

    My compliments to Cunegonde. Depending how much delving she wants to do, she might like to look at Dickson's "The Joy of Keeping Score." I used that when I first started learning, and I scored a number of games while listening to the radio (or watching tv) before breaking out my scorecard at the old ballgame. Also, good that she didn't try to start with Spring Training games. They can lead to very messy scorecards what with all the personnel changes. :-)

  52. Joe Seamhead - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    NatsJim, I will try to pass on it for a while. Not that anybody cares, but I grew up a Senators fan. I never liked Baltimore's baseball team. I liked individual players, and a couple of their managers,but never the team. I went to hundreds of games at Memorial Stadium and Camden Yards because I love baseball. Also, as I remember, Baltimore fought DC from baseball returning long before Angelo's. Also, softball was mentioned earlier. I never played any organized slow pitch, but I played men's fast pitch into my mid forties. I assure you men's fast pitch is not for sissy types. You gotta be nuts to play it.

  53. NatsJim - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    As for the game, Det was great as expected. I agree with those who thought it a mistake to pull him after 6 with only 82 pitches thrown. Clip was awesome, Drew was hurt by Desi but fought through it admirably and mitigated any damage that might have been done by Bryce's youthful indiscretion. Soriano seems like he's still in Viera, that's two rough outings in a row – he needs to fix that. Did Matheus teach Stammen is 2-seamer? His sinker was awesome today. Offensively things are coming around – the 2-8 hitters all have 20+ HR power, we're going to score plenty of runs this year. I'm giving Span a break on the Phillips double, I think the angle he was coming from made him think he had less warning track to work with then he actually did; he certainly made up for it with his catch later. Desi is just in a defensive funk – he's thinking about it too much, good to see his bat coming alive.All in all, that was a tremendously entertaining April ballgame… awesome win. We'll take the series tomorrow, and that 15-0 won't matter a bit.

  54. Joe Seamhead - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    Candide, I'm LMAO! Thanks, I needed it after today!

  55. MicheleS - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    CandideCunegonde is a keeper.

  56. Candide - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    1a, thanks for the recommendation. I got her a scorekeeping book as a Christmas present; it's real non-threatening and has the words "Don't Panic" in large, friendly letters on the cover.Seam, glad to bring a smile to your face.And MicheleS, yes, I know.

  57. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    so candide, just want to confirm that GG-for-Davey bobblehead trade is good. I can't remember whether I said yes to you.

  58. sjm308 - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    Mick: have to go grill burgers and will post after that but thank you for the acknowledgementWhat a great game!!!Will have an adult conversation with Steve Hayes when I returnGo Nats!!

  59. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:16 PM

    so anyone here who has, can you watch any of the 3 games that started at 4 PM?

  60. natsfan1a - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:16 PM

    You're welcome, Candide. I like the slogan on the book you got for her. :-)

  61. Laddie Blah Blah - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    Whatever is going on with Werth's left wrist is working. He needs to duplicate that with his right wrist.I give Span a pass on that shot off the CF wall. The man nearly had his career ended by a concussion, and he doesn't need to collide at full speed with a wall.There is nothing wrong with the Nats offense. Last year at this time La Roche was all they had. They are scoring more runs early in this season than last, by far, with more power from more guys all up and down the lineup.I hope Detwiler does not become this year's Jordan Zimmerman. He pitched a great game, and the guys behind him let him down.A team built on pitching and defense cannot have its shortstop unable to either catch the ball or throw it straight. Desi needs to clean it up.Can we please stop talking about Zim's throwing? Once again, he made a great diving play, stood up, and threw a strike to first – sidearm. The defensive problem is not at 3rd base.Stammen was great, considering the umps gave Votto 2 extra strikes and a free base, and prolonged a game that should have been over.Is Ramos that good?Espinoza had a very productive game on both sides of the ball, especially working that 2-out walk just before Ramos came up and hit that 2-run homer. He is definitely making more consistent contact with the ball and is more selective in his approach at the plate, so far. And he was great in the field, leaping to grab what looked like a sure base hit and racing later racing into short CF to snag a blooper that could have been a game-changer had it fallen in.The Nats cannot be beaten this year, but they can beat themselves, and they tried their darndest today to do just that. They deserved to lose, but they won, in enemy territory. The Reds must feel worse about today's game than the Nats did about yesterday's.And they do it again, tomorrow. Should be a great game.

  62. Art Brodsky - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    What's with Desmond? I remember reading lots in the spring how he put his fielding troubles behind him. Letting that ball go through his legs — he didn't even have to move — was a total disaster.

  63. Candide - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Faraz – Cunegonde confirms Gio for Davey is on. Do not fail her; she's from Texas and doesn't suffer people who disappoint her.

  64. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    That was a pretty fair game. Noting that the offense wasn't going to fly without continued development by the young players. Desmond and Ramos clutch homers. Plus Harper and Werth.I still maintain based on last year's statistics that the lineup will still need Tyler Moore to compete with the best the NL has to offer. I know there's no room but they really need to find some and not worry about his fielding. I don't think the pitching staff needs any help in spite of last night and tonight unless Haren continues the problems he had last season. SYR's starters and bullpen have come out very strong. So, there's very little to be concerned about and Chris Young and his 82 mph fastball don't really seem necessary at this point.

  65. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    Meanwhile, I am going to enjoy watching an almost major league team in the Syracuse Chiefs.

  66. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    Jeff Kobernus is now 5 for 7 to start the year. I'm not sure we'll be seeing Anthony Rendon at third base with this guy plus Lombo. And then there's Ricky Hague down in Harrisburg.

  67. Manassas Nats' Fan - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:42 PM

    Here are interesting facts so far.When Harper gets 2 hits Nats 4-0When hets 0 hits 0-1.When Heren starts starter pitches 4 innings 6 earned runs.When anyone else starts 25 iniinugs 1 earned run.

  68. Donald - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    Art — Desi has always struggled to field balls when a base runner is moving in front of him. In the 8th, the guy on second seemed to block Desi's view. Not making excuses since all shortstops have to deal with that, but it seems to be Desi's achilles heal.

  69. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    oh wow, I am terrified of failing her now. Thanks Candide.

  70. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    Manassas Nats' Fan, here is an interesting fact: small sample size.

  71. Manassas Nats' Fan - Apr 6, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    Granted small sample size, but that is all we have to work with so far. Later on facts will change..Cant ignore early results. Angelscstart last year was a small sample size, but kept them out of the playoffs.

  72. NatsLady - Apr 6, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    The White Sox beat King Felix. Next series ain't gonna be a walk in the park, either.

  73. Joe Seamhead - Apr 6, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    NatsLady, I think the schedule is tough for most of April and the beginning of May, with the one week exception when we get the Fish and Mets.

  74. bg - Apr 6, 2013 at 11:29 PM

    It's always interesting to see if the highest paid players on a team live up to their salaries and who the bargains are.So far for the Nats, Haren is the biggest stiff, making $13 million, third most on the team. Soriano at 4th with$12M and Laroche 5th with $10M are also questionable. 1-2 Werth and Ryan Zim are pretty much earning their pay.Biggest bargains are Harper 15th with $2M, Stras 11th with $4M and today's hero, Ramos, 22nd – the 4th lowest paid player – with $501K. Those three will see bigger paydays in a few years.

  75. NatsLady - Apr 6, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    Watching Cubs vs. ATL. No IDEA why Arizona traded away Justin Upton.

  76. Candide - Apr 6, 2013 at 11:58 PM

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  77. JSLSais - Apr 7, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    I don't understand why we always blame the umpire. Yes, some of those pitches were "strikes", so what? Don't y'all think we get the same breaks some times? Of course we do. When we try and blame the umpires, we sound like a bunch of whiny babies. This is baseball and things won't always go the pitchers way but he is a PROFESSIONAL, is he not? Just think how many times you have been taken to the wood-shed at work, do you set up pout camp? Quit your job? Throw a tantrum about how unfair you are being treated. No, you take it in the chin, do what you can within reason and move on. And I got to agree with SteveHayes….one should not decide we won't root for a team because they have a terrible owner. I like the Orioles and except when they play the Nats, I always want them to do well despite ownership which I have never liked. Heck, I root for the Cowboys but I absolutely cannot stand the owner.

  78. NatsJim - Apr 7, 2013 at 2:01 AM

    Root for whoever you'd like, but don't presume to tell anyone else here who to root for and/or the reasons for doing so… The O's were the team of my youth only because DC lost the Nats about the time I turned 3 and the Bucs were never on TV here (entire extended family is from Pittsburgh). So, I rooted for the O's, and Cal Ripken will forever be my all-time favorite player. But hating what Angelos did, first to destroy the Orioles and then to prevent us from getting a team of our own (and extorting our television rights from MLB), is a perfectly valid reason to root against HIS team – if they do well, he does well; if they win, he wins. So I will root against them so long as he or his family owns them.

  79. natsfan1a - Apr 7, 2013 at 2:47 AM

    This, only I'm not going to explain why I root the way I do, because I don't feel the need to do so.Root for whoever you'd like, but don't presume to tell anyone else here who to root for and/or the reasons for doing so…

  80. natsfan1a - Apr 7, 2013 at 2:49 AM

    Oh, I guess I'm repeating myself. Too much computer work for me today. The MEGO effect and all. Oh well. :-)

  81. Scott Margenau - Apr 7, 2013 at 3:25 AM

    Random thoughts: Zim always throws good sidearm — overhand makes me nervous. 13 mil for harren? That's crazy. But let's see after 4 starts or so. hRod– Plz get rid of him b4 we all need Malox and beam. Lastly, ALR… I agree with Peric, we need TMo and he need game time. He's already 27!





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