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Instant analysis: Reds 15, Nats 0

Apr 6, 2013, 2:19 AM EDT

Associated Press
Dan Haren surrendered four home runs in only four innings.

Game in a nutshell: Hmm, remember when everyone was debating whether the Nationals' pitching staff would ever give up a run? Yeah, not so much anymore. The Reds feasted on everybody Davey Johnson sent to the mound on this night, racking up six home runs (most ever surrendered by the Nats) and 15 total runs (most allowed since 2007). Dan Haren, in a debut performance he won't want to remember, made it through only four innings, serving up the first four homers. Zach Duke, Henry Rodriguez and Ryan Mattheus then couldn't stop the bleeding. When it was all said and done, the Nationals had suffered the most-lopsided defeat in club history (2005-present) and pretty much erased all the good vibes from their 3-0 start to the season. Sure, it's only one game, and it won't mean anything tomorrow. But this was a legitimate, old-fashioned beat down at the hands of a very good opponent.

Hitting lowlight: With an 0-for-3 night, Adam LaRoche now finds himself in an 0-for-13 funk to begin the season. LaRoche, of course, is a notoriously slow starter (except for last season) but this doesn't appear to be one of those cases. He has legitimately hit the ballRead more »

  1. NatsJim - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:23 AM

    Det and Stras win the next two to take the series.

  2. btharner - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:25 AM

    Don't know who had a worse night the Nats or MLB.tv. Between the two of them I was ready to boil over.

  3. DWS - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:25 AM

    That was UGLY. Get it out of the way.

  4. Doc - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:26 AM

    Well at least Espi got his first 2 hits–small consolation for an ugly loss. Players can probably forget that one quicker than the fans!Any pitchers on their way from 'Cuse? Too early to tell.

  5. DWS - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:27 AM

    btharner MLB has a lot of work to do, if you have the patience and the time you might get results. The key is time.

  6. sjm308 - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    Looking forward to seeing us compete tomorrow. This was about as bad as I have seen us. Poor pitching from just about everyone. Errors. Lack of focus (If Desmond catches that one-hopper from Werth they don't score that inning). I am not calling for Young, and realize that Haren will get multiple chances but they just crushed everything he threw up there. Seemed like he had very little movement. Even the outs were hard hit. Again, tomorrow should prove to be very interesting.Go Nats!!

  7. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    haha check mlb.com's main page. it says 2-14 instead of 0-15. that's just brutal.

  8. NatsNut - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    Forget what? ;)Doc said……Players can probably forget that one quicker than the fans!

  9. Teddy Rochlis - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    that one will sting for the rest of the season, hopefully the nats players feel that and take the series, the good news is because det is a sinkerball pitcher should be more groundballs then flyballs, and then there is of course stras on sunday.

  10. DWS - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    Just waiting for the Desmond comments.

  11. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:32 AM

    I did not have much problem with MLB.tv today. I had my usual four game window open.

  12. DWS - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    And yes I often don't take or have the time to post on this site, but do I ever enjoy it. Competing ideas, thoughts, and hopes. Keep it coming fans.

  13. David Proctor - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    In 2009, the Yankees lost to the Indians 22-0. They won the World Series that year.It happened, it sucks, time to move on.

  14. baseballswami - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:36 AM

    That is oddly comforting.

  15. DWS - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:40 AM

    I really believe this is good. Nothing like a good shit kicking to wake them up.

  16. EmDash - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    Save us, Ross, you're our only hope!

  17. Sec. 3, My Untucked Sofa - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:43 AM

    We talked about "football mentality" in here some, last season. Football teams play so few games, one loss can screw your whole season.Baseball teams play 162 games. One loss in April is one of the 60 or so a very good team will lose. Pace yourselves, people; that cortisol will kill you.

  18. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:44 AM

    Its still early … they have a lot of talent. The weakness will continue to be the offense driving in runs until a way is found to get Tyler Moore in to the batting order on a regular basis. Harren might end up worse than EJax but they have other options so its not like its the end of the world.

  19. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:44 AM

    for those who don't know, Dunn stole a base today and I am not kidding but that should relieve your stress some.

  20. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:48 AM

    yeah, now it is not working. It being MLB.tv.

  21. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:51 AM

    Wait til' they go up against the Braves … they had better wake up now.

  22. NatsLady - Apr 6, 2013 at 2:54 AM

    Coulda been the Fillies, up 4-0 and lose 13-4.

  23. David Proctor - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    Denard Span ‏@thisisdspan 2mWell that wasnt any fun but that's why we play 162. Gotta come back tomorr ready to go #ontothenextSpan's got the right mindset. BTW, I'm loving Span at the top of the lineup. Grinding out long ABs, walking, hitting and making defense look easy.

  24. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:07 AM

    Grinding out long ABs, walking, hitting and making defense look easy.Nick Johnson did that pretty well … perhaps even better and was a gold glove at first base. It doesn't help if you don't have big sticks to drive 'em in.

  25. timeless46 - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:09 AM

    Have to agree on Span. I was not a fan of the trade, but he has been winning me over in these first four games.

  26. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:11 AM

    peric, someone has to be on base to be driven in.

  27. Steady Eddie - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:14 AM

    David Proctor –And along the lines of your earlier comment, the Yankees won three games in the 1960 WS by 16-3, 10-0, and 12-0.Of course, the Pirates took the series, winning four games ny a cumulative margin of –wait for it — 7 runs, less than the margin in any of the 3 Yanks' wins. It's one loss. Counts the same in the standings as a walk-off one-run win on a balk.

  28. DWS - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:15 AM

    Span will make a difference. I'll take my chances with a lead off hitter getting on base and Werth hitting second. Early days.

  29. timeless46 - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:15 AM

    Look at it this way. its helpful for everyone to get their crappy day out of their system in the same game.Go Nats !

  30. Faraz Shaikh - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:17 AM

    Great posts guys.Not sure what happened to my post for peric.I was saying that someone has to be on base to be driven in.

  31. Nattering Nat - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:18 AM

    As I said earlier, the perfect game to lose—IF they come back and win Saturday. Fact is, Haren and HRod are not the two biggest aces we have, Duke, not great, but also not at the top of the list. Saturday, they get Det, plus Clippard, Storen, Stammen at the ready. Nothing like a little gut check early in the season, to make sure everyone is paying attention.Reds made a statement, no doubt about it, but the Nats are tough competitors, and should they come back to win Saturday, as I actually think they will, it will speak volumes about them.

  32. Grandstander - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:21 AM

    Woah, total hit on Mike Stanton out of nowhere!

  33. Drew - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:22 AM

    It was rude of the Reds to go for the two-point conversion.

  34. David Proctor - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:38 AM

    Peric,I think Harper, Werth and Zimmerman count as big bats. So does LaRoche once he gets past his normal beginning of the season slump.

  35. Unknown - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:00 AM

    Saw comments disparaging Reds. They are legit. We're one of baseball's best teams last season. They choked away a 2-0 NLDS lead, losing all 3 at home. Worse choke than the Nats one game meltdown and the Cards choke in NLCS. They are good and better suited to their bandbox then ten Nats are sans Beast. Will be different story in D.C. When pop flies are outs not homers. But one win this weekend for Nats will be good, but tough.

  36. Sam - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:09 AM

    Before anyone gets out their noose, I seem to recall Gio and EJax having rough Nationals debuts a year ago as well.

  37. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:09 AM

    think Harper, Werth and Zimmerman count as big bats. So does LaRoche once he gets past his normal beginning of the season slump.When's the last time Werth hit more than 20 home runs? 30 doubles? When is the last time Zimmerman did that? Even in an injury free year they are not even close to a Votto and Bruce. And Frazier just missed out on rookie of the year to Harper. Some day Harper may be an elite hitter but that might not be this year.No, they have nothing to compare to what the Reds have in their batting order at this point. Nor the Braves for that matter. This is a team designed more for Riggleman than for Johnson.

  38. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:10 AM

    And Adam LaRoche had one decent career year in 2012 and is now in that age category that says he is on the decline as is Werth for that matter.

  39. timeless46 - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    peric, your posts are really tiring to read. you know, life is more fun if one isn't perpetually negative. Just saying ….

  40. David Proctor - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:30 AM

    Jayson Werth hit 20 home runs in 2011. Zimmerman easily would've hit 30 if he were healthy. LaRoche's career year really wasn't that much higher than his career norms. He's an annual .270/25/90 RBI hitter compared to his .270/33/100 numbers last year.

  41. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:38 AM

    peric, your posts are really tiring to read. you know, life is more fun if one isn't perpetually negative. Just saying …. What you must love Ladson? Ladson fan. The Nats pitching staff are the real deal! The defense is pretty darned good. As all the beat writers have said they will have a hard time without Morse. And that's why! Werth might never be the same. LaRoche is more likely to regress. Zimmerman needs to stay healthy. And the rest are still young and developing. That's the Nats.No one takes Ladson seriously … just sayin' …

  42. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:40 AM

    ON May 20th Werth will be 34 years old. On June 21st Adam LaRoche will be 34 years old. Given the injuries both have suffered in their careers that isn't young. Expectations should be set much LOWER for that reason.

  43. David Proctor - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:40 AM

    Werth hit .300 last year and his wrist looked fine yesterday. He'll be fine. LaRoche may regress, but we can still expect 25 home runs and 90 RBI along with a .270 average. Yes, Zimmerman obviously needs to stay healthy. So does Mr. Votto.

  44. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:42 AM

    In the end this offense has to be all about a healthy Zimmerman and the continued development of Harper, Moore, Desmond, and Espinosa. And eventually Rendon. And perhaps Skole.

  45. peric - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:43 AM

    LaRoche may regress, but we can still expect 25 home runs and 90 RBI along with a .270 average.Most of that occurred before age 30. At age 34 you have to expect drastic regression as THAT IS WHAT the standard bell curve shows. To expect what you are expecting basically is delusional.

  46. David Proctor - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:44 AM

    Pretty sure .270/33/100 happened at age 33.

  47. UnkyD - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:44 AM

    I'm not gonna look it up, but I remember thinking that many losses last year seemed like a 24 hour bug… Just vomiting all the bad out at once, so a week of clean, efficient play could follow….Sounds like a plan!!! GYFNG!!!

  48. NatsJim - Apr 6, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    "To expect what you are expecting basically is delusional."Said the pot to the kettle.

  49. natsfan1a - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    What are y'all talking about? ;-)NatsNut said… Forget what? ;) Doc said… …Players can probably forget that one quicker than the fans! April 05, 2013 10:30 PM

  50. Bgrub - Apr 6, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    Does anyone else feel like the Reds were out of line by stealling bases and swinging at 3-0 counts with such a big lead mid-late in the game? That bothered me!

  51. Laddie Blah Blah - Apr 6, 2013 at 9:56 AM

    "And along the lines of your earlier comment, the Yankees won three games in the 1960 WS by 16-3, 10-0, and 12-0."Great point, Eddie. The Reds' bats are hot. Haren's pitches didn't have any movement – maybe the cold, maybe the long layoff. Who knows? But he is not that bad and the Reds are not that good. The difference was clearly the pitching. Bailey's fast ball had terrific movement, yet consistently found the strike zone. Just got to tip your hat to the guy.They weren't going to win all 162. They will score more runs this year than last. Span is better than advertised. Werth's OBP last year was .385 +. Harper and Zim will drive in 100+ runs, each. Nothing wrong with that offense, and they have Mr. Rendon whenever they decide to bring him up.I didn't lose any sleep last night, and I'll bet Davey didn't, either.

  52. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    He's washed up people. Rizzo f'd up big time. Lost his fastball, slider is a meatball — and he grossly out of shape. Just look at his bell-shaped, pudgy short stubby little body. He got creamed in Spring Training and it's worse now in the regular season. I had predicted Haren would be gone by All Star game — lets move that up to Memorial Day.What a colossal, stupid thing to put Haren as our 4th starter and Det at the 5th spot. Pure stupididy and insulting!First we have to teach Span how to steal bases, now we have to suffer through a washed up millionaire.The Nats and Rizzo are slipping. Badly

  53. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    Bgrub: oh come one. Quit your whining. What is this little league? Mercy rule? I say to the Nats: next time, bring a better team. Crying over stolen bases and swinging at meatballs — get over it — or go out and watch your local little league play. Over there, it is bad form to steal bases with a big league, but the big boys from Cincy had something to prove to the nats — and that is: You're not the best team around — and don't pitch a washed up fat boy against us or we'll kill him. So true

  54. Sam - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    Zimmerman did that last year…

  55. NatsJim - Apr 6, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    "Pure stupididy and insulting!"Oh the irony…

  56. Steve Hayes - Apr 6, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    well said — it is also meant for you.

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