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Game 44: Nats at Padres

May 19, 2013, 7:04 PM EDT

Photo by USA Today

Today the Nationals play the finale of their four-game series against the Padres out at Petco Park with what looks almost like a spring training lineup. Bryce Harper is out again with a sore left knee, there is no Jayson Werth of course, and Ian Desmond is taking a scheduled day off. Danny Espinosa will move over to shortstop with Steve Lombardozzi playing second.

Dan Haren (4-4, 4.76) will take the hill vs. San Diego after a string of good outings. He is 2-1 with a 3.00 ERA in the month of May so far. He has seen a lot of the Padres over the years having formerly been in their division with Arizona. In 14 career starts against the club, Haren has a 3.39 ERA across 95 2/3 innings.

Pitching for the Padres is 26-year-old Andrew Cashner (2-2, 2.84) who is off the best start of his young career. He has made five relief appearances against the Nationals over the last four years and has yet to allow a run to the team.

Enjoy the game…

WASHINGTON NATIONALS at SAN DIEGO PADRES
Where: Petco Park
Gametime: 4:10 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN2, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500), XM 188
Weather: Sunny, 69 degrees

NATIONALS (23-20)
CF Denard Span
2B Steve Lombardozzi
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche

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336 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. natsfan1a - May 19, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Let's go, Dan. Let's go, NATS!

  2. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    an intersting stat that stands out. When the NATS score at least 3 they have only lost twice. twice. Score 3 almost a sure win. Just do their jobs hitting.Three runs

  3. MicheleS - May 19, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    GO DAN! GO Danny! Go Lombo!!! Someone get on base for Ryan & Adam! GYFNG!!!!

  4. Doc - May 19, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    Hey, we're 1.5 games behind the Bravos!Where's ARen when we need him???

  5. Eugene in Oregon - May 19, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    I don't mean to sound cynical, but does this line-up mean that Dan Haren has to allow a negative number of runs in order to have a shot at a curtly W?

  6. Eugene in Oregon - May 19, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Okay, I did mean to sound cynical. But not too cynical.

  7. Rabbit34 - May 19, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Eugene…..you "did good".

  8. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    Hr came pretty close last time. Just, y'know Kershaw. >does this line-up mean that Dan Haren has to allow a negative number of runs in order to have a shot at a curtly W?

  9. Eugene in Oregon - May 19, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Sorry, 'curly' not 'curtly' W. Although the Nats would likely settle for any kind of W they could get today.

  10. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    2012 NATS came noth not with the best 25. Harper came up and they took off.2013 again they come north without their best 25. Once ARen takes over second base I suspect they will take off.I guess it this year xontrol business that causes the problem, but ARen has been up so call him back. Not sure why I see if as a much better hitter than Espi, but Rizzo can,'t.

  11. jeeves - May 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Davey reminds me of the parents who came to school and insisted that Johnny could not possibly have done what he was accused of.He is obviously going to stick with the same ineptness in hitting no matter what–even if that ineptness has gone on for most of two and one half years. (read Espy) Maybe Marrero, Kobernus, Perez, Rendon and company won't hit consistently at the major league level, but it might be worth a try. Espy, the Shark, and to a lesser degree Moore have certainly shown they can't. If a prerequisite for a major league manger is to have some imagination, and I think they should, then Davey hasn't passed the test. However, despite Davey, I still believe this team will come through. It has the best all around pitching in baseball. A forecast–best minor league pitcher and one who I believe could contribute if Det has a problem is Taylor Jordan. NatsJack, I've been a fan of his for a while now and mentioned it afew times on Luke Erikson's site.

  12. Doc - May 19, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    Yeah but it was a curtly post, Eugene! LOL

  13. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Ugh, this guy seems good.

  14. Exposremains - May 19, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    I count 5 holes in that lineup. Good luck with that.

  15. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Well at least Ryan had a good hack.

  16. Knoxville Nat - May 19, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    So people are still going on and on about Espinosa's lack of hitting and that is understandable. Some are still commenting in a negative manner about the bullpen and the high wire act some of them seem to perform night after night. Again, understandable and rightfully so.As for me I will make the observation that unless the Nationals play better team defense, not just Zimmerman and Desmond's mistakes mind you, this team will continue to perform under expectations and disappoint many come October.

  17. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    If we miss a spot the other team hits it. when opponent misses the spot good chance we dint swing or swing and miss.That is the real hitting problem we dont hit enough mistakes.

  18. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Haren's strategy is to injure all the Padres before they can get to him. BRILLIANT!

  19. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    Got to love it. Runner turns ankle and has no trouble stealing a base

  20. NatsJack in Florida - May 19, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Yes jeeves….I watched Taylor last fall and he had really worked hard rehabbing from TJ and it showed.He and Robbie Ray both showed the most developement and their current results seem to be proof.

  21. Section 222 - May 19, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    From the annals of meaningless stats, while showing the lineup, MASN puts up Espi's stats playing at shortstop! That's rich.

  22. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    Take no Nats 2 terribly located pitched both whacked.We just need to do the same. SD put 2 right for us to clobber and we fly out.

  23. Section 222 - May 19, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    Starting to watch game now. 20 minutes behind. That means I can skip all the commericials. That works. Have a fun game everyone. See you on the other side.

  24. Eugene in Oregon - May 19, 2013 at 8:27 PM

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  25. EmDash - May 19, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    Haren's stuff is elevated. That means bad Haren.

  26. EmDash - May 19, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    His back and leg were bothering him last start, if I recall. Still not 100%?

  27. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    This is reminding me of the Braves gane on April 14 where Gio was awful and was smashed alk over, and how hitters left the game with a few measly hits.Odds are based on hat has happened we probably have given up way too many.

  28. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    Any of you seem to find stats all over do you know how many runs we get and give up in the first?Also our average and opponents average in first.Seems we have a majority 3 up 3 down, and record much loeer percentage of. 3 up 3 down.

  29. Secret wasian man - May 19, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    No way our sick offense recovers from this defici. And how dare FP Santan jello lectures us fans in the top of the first inning about being gloomy. This team stinks. I'm sick of the excuses by everybody. Excuses are for losers. There are 13 teams in this league with better records than the Nats.

  30. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    At least The Shark swung at a fastball unlike the 2 in front of him who didnt bother. Good job Roger.

  31. Eugene in Oregon - May 19, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    So much for the notion of allowing negative runs.

  32. Exposremains - May 19, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    I could see them being no-hit today.

  33. nats guy - May 19, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    Get out the fork They are done for the day. Well done!!!!

  34. Secret wasian man - May 19, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    FP says everything will be fine. Going to get my playoff tickets now

  35. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    The point is the team doesnt stink. Tgeir performance stinks. We need bench the dead weight and get the hitters on the field and that includes Rendon.Of course hire Wade Boggs s hitting coach. Listen to him this morning and his hitting approach parellel's mine.

  36. Secret wasian man - May 19, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    Announcers are supposed to call the game. Homers can be homers. But don't use the spotlight to give a lecture to fans about how they should feel. We have a right to be upset at the way this team is playing. I am really pissed right now. And really getting turned off by this team and its YES MAN announcers.

  37. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    Since Espi is SS I feel a homer coming.

  38. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    1st inning our batting: .2551st inning our pitching .244

  39. Secret wasian man - May 19, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Watching the game with the wife. She just asked me if anybody had an average over .200

  40. Secret wasian man - May 19, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    There goes the no hitter. Suns coming out here. Goodbye

  41. Amr Khani - May 19, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    And that is why Suzuki should be batting second. The hit was great, but he actually saw 5 pitches in the at bat. Lombardozzi swings at everything.

  42. Secret wasian man - May 19, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    I guess all the injuries are why we can't execute a bunt. Sorry folks just SICK SICK Sick over this team. I'll stop goodbye

  43. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    Eeck teach bunting. You catch tge ball with the bat you never stab at the ball.

  44. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    Detailed hitting splits.Hitting splitshttp://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=WSN&year=2013Detailed pitching splits (by inning, by count, by lineup position, by catcher, by umpire…Pitching Splitshttp://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=p&team=WSN&year=2013

  45. Secret wasian man - May 19, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    Okay one more. No need to panic Zach Duke tomorrow. Hhahaha

  46. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    Thanks Nats lady not sure how high we were because we have one a week since a hit in the first.

  47. nats guy - May 19, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    I finally gotta say it, I don't like this team very much. I am still a Nats fan to the bone, but these guys are not very good or at least interesting. I loved last year almost as much as the Senators of 1969 but these guys have no life or Joie de vivre. Somethings missing and I don't think they can fix it this year. At best 2nd place 83-79 if they are very lucky. No playoffs for this team.

  48. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Voglesong with his 8.00 ERA should me we win tomorrow 11-4

  49. Joe Seamhead - May 19, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    So Cincy led Philly by one in the 9th, Chapman comes in. Done deal, right? Wrong. First he blows the save giving up a HR. Then he gives up another HR and loses the game.

  50. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    Sorry to rain on your parade. Nats very good at bunting. Where league average is 100, Nats are 260.

  51. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    We can't steal crap, but SD has no problem all.Eck is innocent on that one.

  52. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    All major leaguers are bad at bunting. they think tgey are to good.But is that tgeir batting average or percentage of successful sac bunts. If the former that would be a little low but tge secobd it would be terrivly low.Should be successful for sac bunts at least 50% but in realuty more like 67%

  53. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    OTOH, Nats not so good at sac flies. Only 8 all season. For comparison, Reds have 17.

  54. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    4 of the 8 were in the Saturday and Sunday games in Pittsburgh I was at.

  55. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Just got home from a seemingly endless work day. I am watching every minute of the rest of this game . I hated the off season. Sure we suck right now, but things can change. I love baseball- we are not playing very well right now but I will find something to enjoy- even if it frustrates me to death. Does anyone else feel we only have a chance when Bryce plays? Surely that cannot be actually true.

  56. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Zimmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!

  57. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    ZIM!!!

  58. MicheleS - May 19, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    ZIMBOMB! we are back in this ball game!!!

  59. NatsJack in Florida - May 19, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    Zim…too bad he's lost his powee or that one might have landed on the roof.

  60. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    A poor change up hung over the middle pulled for homers.Others need to do the same thing instead of wimping around

  61. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    I found something to enjoy very quickly.

  62. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    Will see if I can find that pct, MNF. When Nats bunt for a hit they succeed 26% of the time (11th in MLB).. Very small sample size (only 6 hits). They have 16 sac bunts (11th in MLB). Pitchers have 13 of the sac bunts, 5th in MLB same for NL). Not sure where to look for failed sac bunts… will check some stat sites. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=p&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=0&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=17,d

  63. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    Curously, BBref thinks the Nats have 7 hits and 16 sac bunts. They must judge differently as to when someone is "bunting for a hit."

  64. EmDash - May 19, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Raining in Atlanta/ game delayed. They should call it now just to be safe. *g*

  65. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Raining again in Atlanta. OK, call the game, like right now, when it's 2-1 in favor of the Dodgers. :)

  66. EmDash - May 19, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    Cashner has a surprisingly good hitting approach for a pitcher.

  67. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    Fast ball over the heart of yhe plate and Espi swings through. ZThat is what we are complaining about why does that happen so often?Rizzo question for you. How do you justift batters 5-7 having averages of 131118163You cant find hitters any where?

  68. Secret wasian man - May 19, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    Way to fight back guys. Lets go. Umpire hates Suzuki I think

  69. Secret wasian man - May 19, 2013 at 9:31 PM

    I think the ump hates Harren also

  70. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    I don't know but my question is this; at what point is Espi's supposedly superior defense just not worth it? Is he really saving soooo many runs for us that it is truly worth it? When I watch him I see nothing close, nothing improving. Do you? He is not just hitting it right at someone and getting unlucky, it's really awful. Does this just go on and on? Trust me, I really want the kid to figure it out. Did any of you hear what ALR said about him yesterday?

  71. Drew - May 19, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    Before he can think of the Mendoza line, I'd like to see Espinosa catch Adam Dunn.Dunn is hitting .170, Espinosa .165.

  72. EmDash - May 19, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    Suzuki has been surprisingly irritable lately – wouldn't be surprised if he is getting too banged up and needs an off day. Maybe Solano tomorrow? It's going to be a weird game anyway.

  73. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    Lombo Lombo Man, I want to be a Lombo Man

  74. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    What did ALR say Swami? I did not hear.

  75. EmDash - May 19, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    His defense would make him valuable if he was a .240ish hitter, I think. He was useful last year, no matter how frustrating he could be to watch. As he is now, though, not so much.

  76. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    ALR said that Danny thinks his problems are physical and can be solved by hitting a million balls and he just won 't believe it's mental. Surprisingly frank.

  77. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    espi's first half full swing he was solid.But all stsr game on 2011 he started swing at terrible pitches lets hitable ones go, hits hitable weakly. occasinally getting a base hit. Why the change? They say he woks hard. Learned long ago hard work is not as important as accurate work (I know my ryping refects otherwise ( but i blame the little key board, fat fingers and eyes cwho barely can read the screen))Early 2011 Espi welcome, present Espi not.What is his WAR if it is positive than WAR is useless.

  78. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 9:42 PM

    Glad to see Lombo going back to his on the ground, situational hitting like last year. Hope he gets in the groove. Criticized for being a slap hitter but sometimes contact is what you need. He can get on base or move a runner to set things up for the stronger hitters.

  79. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    Well, according to sabermetric stats, Danny's baserunning and defense are not enough to make up for lack of offense, at this point. However, he is not the worst 2B in the league, Martin Prado, Keppinger and Rickie Weeks are worse (not that that is saying much.) That is if you go by WAR. If you go by Win Probability Added, Danny is 15th out of 22 qualified 2B. His WPA is -.36, meaning he has lost 36% of a game. In contrast, Brandon Phillips is 2.01 meaning he has won 2 entire games by himself. ;) It is difficult to compare him to shortstops because he has not played that position enough this year. Ruben Tejada has the lowest batting average of shortstops. .211

  80. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    Danny's WAR is -0.4 by fangraphs.

  81. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    MNF why don't you use a regular keyboard? I have a wireless keyboard so I can move it around.

  82. NatsJack in Florida - May 19, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    Swami…..it:s not just Espi's valuable defense. It's that he is the only viable option at shortstop should anything happen to Desmond.And don't even think Lombo is an option because he's not.

  83. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    Bad Dan Haren showed up today…

  84. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    well maybe we could have won yesterday

  85. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    How much do people thinkEspi missed the ball hit his direction by? 3 inches over his head?

  86. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    Too bad ALR, Tyler Moore, Zim and Chris Marrero cannot all play first base. And Bryce — stop running into walls. We need you in the line up and in left field. Haren melting down big time. I hate it when that happens, especially with two outs.

  87. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    espi to the bench..good backup util guy

  88. NatsJack in Florida - May 19, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    And the "human towel" Henry Rodriguez is now warming up.

  89. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    Haren can barely walk. His back must be KILLING him.

  90. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    Nats Jack i am not getting rid of espi just stay on the bench until needed.

  91. Drew - May 19, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    As we consult the movie listings:In Harrisburg, Rendon tripled again, walked again and knocked in two more runs. His .350 batting average leads the Eastern League. Rendon now has 22 RBIs in 29 games.There's also an intriguing subplot at 2b. Remember Rick Hague? Looks like Rendon has lit a bonfire under his old Rice teammate.Hague now has five consecutive multi-hit games. He's raised his average from .167 to .271.Looks like Hague wants to get back into the equation.

  92. Joe Seamhead - May 19, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    Any comments on Tyler Moore's throw to the plate?

  93. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    Seamhead, as noted above, Moore is not an outfielder. Need Harper back. Werth too.

  94. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    Tyler's defense gave up the double that created that play at the plate too. An OF cuts that off. Moore was too slow to the ball. Should've been a single.The throw was high, but again, he's a 1B.

  95. Joe Seamhead - May 19, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Nice catch by Venable.

  96. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    It look Espi just missed Alonso's hit. Just wondering if his 3 inches missing in height made it a double. would Desi have caught it. End up 3 more runs score when not called.Carp says Moore cant buy a break. The other team is fielding better than we are.

  97. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    NatsJack- just seems like Espi should not have a job security force field around him just in case Desi needs a break. He can't become the utility guy because then he would hit worse. Although I don't feel that his one day break was long enough. That shoulder probably could use more of a break. So could his head. Venable just robbed Tyler Moore, who is crushing the ball. I know this game appears out of reach, but I would like to see some fight .

  98. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    I think Lombo could bat 100 points higher than espi with the bad rotator cuff if SL played 5 or 6 games per week.But still think we are one more bat away from the playoffs. Could be Rendon in August,Lou Brock is no longer available but he was the guy that put the Cards over the top in 64 after the cubs gave him away.

  99. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    I don' think it's the rotator cuff–that would lead to a bunch of weakly hit gronders and shallow popups. Danny isn't seeing the ball, period, like he just doesn't know where it is. I would be curious if he is hitting it in batting practice.

  100. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    What does Davey need to see to say enough is enough.Swung 3 times . Missed by at least 6 inches each time.No one should be that bad. One swing and miss is one thing. All 3 that poirly is unbelievable.

  101. Joe Seamhead - May 19, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    1 for 23, 11 K's? That's Danny's last 23 AB's. Ouch! I'd have to say that doesn't smell too good.

  102. Ghost Of Steve M. - May 19, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    3 more swing and misses for his stat sheet for Espi.

  103. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    Problem is MNL, Odds are Werth will on the DL a bit…need an OF bat that can replace him…Like I said previously Lou Brock or MIKEYWait HROD!

  104. NatsJack in Florida - May 19, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    Swami…..I totally agree. Seems like , unfortunately, the only people that think he's going to improve are his bosses.I've seen enough. He is what he is.

  105. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    Everyone else's at bats are looking much better now. Lombo got some results, Moore crushing balls being caught. Espi's at bats are not unlucky- the are…..well, I have no words. HRod in the game- I want triple digits!!

  106. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    Another error. At least this game is already over so it won't hurt.

  107. NatsJack in Florida - May 19, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    Espi has improved on his walk back to the dugout after his k's. So he's got that going for him.

  108. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    What is MNL??

  109. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    ALR lost his focus. Davey should just move Moore over to 1B, put Eury in and call it a game.

  110. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    Miss NL, yeah, would love to see Lombo play more 2B and send Despinosa down…I think while painful, he'd gain a lot in the long run and bring up Rendon…tough times require difficult measures..but if your hitting is broke, good to do something about it.

  111. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    MNL= Miss Nats Lady….I want to be a gentleman blogger

  112. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    Watch Cabrera steal home now.

  113. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    but grew up in the rough side of Queen so it takes a lot of work for me…not in my DNAMNL, Like Lady, Miss Nats Lady, you bring me up when I'm down…

  114. Just wonderin' - May 19, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    Any else think the Shark should have just kept on running past third and headed for home? With Espinosa up next, the odds were probably better that the Padres throw the ball away on the play at home. At least that way he woulda had a chance above zero.

  115. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    See, FP, that was the strategy all along, let him steal third and get him at the plate. :) :)

  116. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    Espi doesnt pretend to fake behind Cabrerra. Hrod all in all didnt let error hurt him.Now please no unearned runs.

  117. Nats106 - May 19, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    Espinosa is 1 for 23? If he gets another hit he'll be like a broken clock. Right twice a day.

  118. SCNatsFan - May 19, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    Either this is a mediocre team or Johnson is a mediocre manager. Glad to see the corporate line is to stay the course and hope things get better. I know at my job if we were expected to do great things and we continued to put out an average product we'd just stay the course.

  119. Just wonderin' - May 19, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    LaRoche losing concentration?

  120. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    This is embarrassing.

  121. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Awww. How sweet. Who says we can't be nice when we are getting creamed? Stealing at will now. They know HRod can 't handle it. Anyone else feel like a storm is approaching in the organization? Some major , cataclysmic changes? Sure does not seem like some situations can continue. This is ridiculous now. Scouting report exposing a major vulnerability.

  122. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    cabrerra 18 steals Nats 20

  123. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Well, you knew a wild pitch was coming… Just by the odds.

  124. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    When Healthy this is a good team….just one bat away from greatness

  125. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    And a walk. Now Henry will strike out the next guy, just watch.

  126. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    The bases aren't loaded yet NatsLady.

  127. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    Good point, DP.

  128. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    I like Henry, he makes blowouts fun

  129. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    See–as predicted. That's just Henry being Henry.

  130. Nats106 - May 19, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    What a dispiriting road trip. With the Phillies sudden resurgence, it will be like the old Kasten days in my beloved Sec 106. Loaded with loaded phillies fans. Just great.

  131. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    Maybe some situations have to hit rock bottom before anything can change?? You know , it's not the well contested losses that bother me. It's bad baseball. Time for a pride check. Score at least one more run to show you have not quit.

  132. NatsJack in Florida - May 19, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    Henry's current ERA……2.84.

  133. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    NJ- that just blows my mind. I mean, if you watch– oy.

  134. Eugene in Oregon - May 19, 2013 at 10:16 PM

    After a game like this — an embarrassment — you need a veteran to call a team meeting and remind the players about pride, concentration, etc. But since Jayson Werth isn't with the team, who steps up? Adam LaRoche doesn't seem like the type. Ryan Zimmerman should, but may not feel like he can given his own woes. Ian Desmond, maybe?

  135. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    IMHO, they don't need to change much…Bring down Espi, Bring up Kob/Rendon, i don't knowGet a good backup OF so we don't have to play infielders in the OF everytime Bryce runs into something or Jason needs more metal in his body

  136. Nats106 - May 19, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    You mean sink to the level of this team 3 years ago? That rock bottom? Suddenly doing yard work at game time seems so much more palatable.

  137. NatsJack in Florida - May 19, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    Yes….doesn't even begin to tell the story, does it? :-)

  138. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    Maybe we need those great, big, Flintstone bats!!! I am letting it go, folks, finding the humor. It can't stay this way – really, it can't. BRYCE AND JAYSON COME BACK!!!!!!!!!

  139. SCNatsFan - May 19, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    Eugene how do you hold a meeting when you have guys like Moore and Espinosa who don't deserve to be here. The meeting should have been held long ago.

  140. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    Henry has exactly as many strikeouts as walks. He walked a guy, so you knew he was going to strike out a guy. Balance, baby, balance.

  141. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    The last time there was a team meeting, we won 5 straight and 7 of 8. Maybe we need another?

  142. NatsNutty - May 19, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    At the rate the Nats are non-playing, we better pray they win the NL East because, if they don't, they sure won't win the Wild Card and Davey's dream of "World Series or Bust" will be just that, a "Bust."

  143. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    and only 1 WP! the WHIP, not so good.

  144. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    Positives: Zimmerman and Lombardozzi.

  145. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    Lombo, Lombo Man….why are you not starting…

  146. mick - May 19, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    Welcome to crappy baseball gang. Haren is a 500 loser, as soon as it gets to 3-2, he just stinks the place up like most losing pitchers. Not that it matters because we are the worst hitting team in baseball. If Braves lose its hard to believe Nats would be only 1 and a half back. it feels like 7 back.Remember, FP, Bobby C and ray all assumed the Nats would either win all 4 or at least 3This team is done in 2013 for playoffs, what a DC bust

  147. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    I totally agree on the outfield thing. It does not work at all to put young guys out there who play the infield. Not fair to anyone at all. Bernie is fine. If Jayson and Bryce could just stay on the field………on twitter there is a new hash tag— #freeRendon. Lombo with a three hit day– silver lining.

  148. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    At least we're showing some life.

  149. mick - May 19, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    Lombo is not starting because Davey is a stubborn old man, plain and simple. Espinosa is one of the worst players at bat since the team came here in 2005.

  150. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    Lombardozzi has started pretty regularly for about 3 weeks and has performed almost as badly as Espinosa. However today, he's been much better.

  151. mick - May 19, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    If Nats did make playoffs, how many here would want to see Haren pitch, let alone in the dugout??? I rest my case

  152. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    Mick– how many games do you feel back of the rotation guys will win? Ten? I have thought about this a lot. Aren't four/ five guys often right around five hundred?

  153. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    yes, Bernie is a great util OF with speed for the late innings.Hey, Davey, play the hot bats once in a while…what do you got to lose (excuse the grammer, MNL)…Lombo can play until Rendon is ready to stay

  154. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    Haren wouldn't pitch in the playoffs. It would be Stras, Gio, Zim, Det.

  155. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    Belisario is HOPELESS. DFA that guy willya??? Here comes Kenley Jansen who lost the game yesterday. What are you doing, Donnie?????? Oh, sorry, wrong game.

  156. mick - May 19, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    swami true, but at least most back rotation guys do not lose to an inferior teamalso, how are you Espi fans defending 1 for 31???????

  157. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    Sometimes, it helps your hitting to play a position you know rather than worrying about what the heck am I playing LF for.

  158. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    The Padres have been one of the hottest teams in baseball coming into this series.

  159. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    Sucks that Haren had to totally implode or we'd be winning this game.

  160. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    And the Nats are on their way back.Desi….get warm..

  161. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    David- Lombo has been showing improvement in his at bats. Not always results, but it's been coming. And I feel that things would be better if everyone just stopped all the talk of playoffs and the Barves. Maybe they could just win a series first. ALR with 16!!!! Another silver lining.

  162. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    We cant afford 1 bad inning the way we are hitting, Haren had 2.Haren didnt get the memo. We have obly lost 2 games when we score more tgan 2 So just keep Padres to 2 as I knew we could score three.

  163. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    Moore with another hard hit ball that finds a fielder.

  164. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    Moore hit that ball hard. He's been robbed twice.

  165. Joe Seamhead - May 19, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Two on, two out and Justin Upton K's to end the threat. Still 2-1 Dodgers.

  166. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    This team is good..Any takers for a playoff bet.They'll be there…the pitching is too good and the lineup is fixable.

  167. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    And Tyker Moore up with runners on again and two outs. Kid is always in that hot seat. He has hit the ball hard today with no results- great catch by Venable cost us a run. Glad to see the offense fighting. Now don 't give any right back!!

  168. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    jeffwx, I'm with you. Just hang above .500 until we get hot. It will happen. I hope it's nothing serious with Det, though, because the options in Syracuse are not great.

  169. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    A balk? Really?

  170. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    MNL— trade?? We have spare parts left to deal. Not looking for an ace, just a 4/5.

  171. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    yep,NL, Det is crucial component

  172. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    I am surpirised tgey didnt walk Espi as with the bases loaded he would K.Next inning he might lead off with a hit, but no hitting recently with sone one on.

  173. mick - May 19, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    Jeffwx, I would take the bet and would be glad to lose it. However, I am not sure Nats will 80 right now

  174. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    Don't know, haven't thought about it. Would have to see who might need what we have.

  175. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    Mattheus looks really rusty so far

  176. mick - May 19, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    I fear Nats will be swept by Giants and return home 2-3 under 500 and Nats Park could get ugly

  177. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:41 PM

    Even if we get swept by the Giants, we won't be 2-3 games under .500.

  178. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:41 PM

    Doesn't seem like Mattheus has it today. OK, Cat, how you gonna fix this? Mattheus had that one terrible inning last year and then he was excellent.

  179. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:41 PM

    ok, mick, how bout an O'Douls ;)

  180. mick - May 19, 2013 at 10:42 PM

    one day, one guy pitches well, the next he stinks, one day one guy hits the next day he goes 0-4 and there is nobody picking the slack up… classic sub 500 team

  181. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 10:42 PM

    On cubs broadcast they said when bases are loaded no out average is 2.24 runs will be scored

  182. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    Not likely to get swept by the Giants. They are a mess right now. Wish we had Werth for RF, but I don't blame him for not wanting to aggravate his hamstring in the cold weather.

  183. mick - May 19, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    jeffwx, you got it, if I'm right how about a Corona light? If your right, I will get a case of O'Douls for youlol

  184. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    1 down 1.24 to go.Cubs by the way score in that inning.

  185. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    Guy almost never pitches. Bound to happen. The starters go deeper, the bullpen gets out of sync.

  186. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    Just the way today has gone.

  187. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    Now 2 .24 to go.

  188. mick - May 19, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    Thinking of Anthony Mason's famous quote"The ship be sinking"

  189. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    There is a graphic with that info, OUTSRUNNERS 0 1 2 — 0.5165 0.2796 0.1075 1– 0.8968 0.5487 0.2370 -2- 1.1385 0.6911 0.3502 12- 1.4693 0.9143 0.4433 –3 1.5120 0.9795 0.3718 1-3 1.8228 1.1830 0.4931 -23 2.0363 1.4144 0.6073 123 2.3109 1.5279 0.7485

  190. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    That table is as of 2005, might be a little different by now.

  191. mick - May 19, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    oopss, I meant Micheal Ray Richardson

  192. mick - May 19, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    The ship has sunk

  193. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    Davey should have let Henry bat. :)

  194. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    I'm a DC guy (Diet Coke)…not looking good for a comeback…frustrating game

  195. mick - May 19, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    NatsLady said…Davey should have let Henry bat. :)lol

  196. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Yikes, Mattheus.

  197. jeffwx - May 19, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    what's the probability of scoring 5 runs when the bases are loaded

  198. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    I will have to look at my computer this table is not readable to me.

  199. mick - May 19, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    Nats can not even beat the teams they are suppose to. So explain to me the path to posts season? I am already tired of Davey's BS in the post gamelol

  200. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    Brandon League in for the 6 out save.

  201. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    Search for "Expected Runs Matrix."

  202. Nats106 - May 19, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    Things to look forward to in October:1) RGIII playing2) Season 4 of the walking dead3) Nationals early hot stove?

  203. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    I understand people being upset and frustrated, but I feel like some people come on here and do nothing but spew venom. Maybe I have a thin skin, but if you think the team has no chance of righting the ship and making the postseason, why do you bother watching the team? If the team is THAT awful and unenjoyable to watch, why come on here to whine?I just don't get it. My two cents.

  204. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    Use the rest of the game to work on things. You know, if we had lost the first two and won the second two, we would feel differently about this. Things getting waaay out of control now. Stay around five hundred, get some guys back. Hang around, go on a run later. Funny how it has been the offense recently and today it 's pitching. That four runs would have looked like a hundred to JZim.

  205. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:53 PM

    DP, yeah, I don't get that either. You wait all winter for baseball, finally it's here, why would you complain? So they didn't hand the Nats the World Series on a platter–what a shock. Other teams come to play also.

  206. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    Atlanta got to the Dodgers' bullpen, which is PUTRID.

  207. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 10:55 PM

    For the most part, posters have been pretty reasonable today considering. Rays scored six in the ninth yesterday!! It could happen! And the Padres are not a bad team. I believe they had their way with our neighbors in Baltimore before we arrived.

  208. SonnyG10 - May 19, 2013 at 10:55 PM

    This is just one of those games you want to get over and forget about. Might as well lose 20 to 4 or more; it still only counts as one loss. Need to get Werth, Desi and Harper back in the lineup. I'm surprised we got four runs with this lineup.

  209. Nats106 - May 19, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    Proctor, you are right, but then again, do you know how many years waiting, shelling out bucks to go to games, putting up with Phillies fans, Mets fans, you name it, for a chance to have a winning team? I've earned my right to "spew venom" Every time I think we are turning this around we have something like this road trip happen. Saying we don't have Lasting Milledge to miss cut offs and Elijah Dukes as a role model anymore just doesn't cut it. Sorry

  210. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    So, we need 6 in the 8th and 3 in the 9th and Soriano for the untuck. That's the plan.

  211. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    Lol at Bernadina. Tossed his bat.

  212. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    HE DID IT AGAIN! That's too funny.

  213. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 10:58 PM

    Nats106, true, but not as many as Pirates fans, Royals fans… It could be a lot worse. Could be the Angels. And there is a LOT of season left. Can't give up on the 19th of May.

  214. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 10:59 PM

    Thanks for the shut down inning Mattheus.Today does not piss me of like last Wednesday and last nightWe played with so many holes.Our turn for an 8 run inning. No problem.Come on Roger if your going to toss the bat at least go stand on first.Espi a little dinker to first.Eck working hard with Espi.

  215. SCNatsFan - May 19, 2013 at 11:00 PM

    Why I'm upset is we have three guys in the lineup hitting under 160 and all I hear is stay the course. I'm sorry any fan of this team should be upset with what is trotting out on the field right now.

  216. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 11:02 PM

    TIme for Kimbrel to blow the 3-run save.

  217. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    I tried to be rational, but the last 2 nights the sane thing has happened.The Braves losing the whole game explode in the 8th. Against the Dodgers.We couldnt hit the Dodgers.Rizzo is putting up with this.

  218. paul brandt - May 19, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    Danny made contact so things are looking up. If Davey can still pick up a chair or two, he should be throwing them after this embarrassment. No heart, changes need to be made…feel like I am watching the Caps & don't say its only May…yes it is, but we have been witnessing this train wreck night after night.

  219. mick - May 19, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    I think everyone has right to be mad. Some people definition of venom is absurd. We all have invested a great deal emotionally into this team since 2005 and if you count the Senators, we are talking 50 years plus with some of us. As long as one is cursing, not character assassinating or demeaning a player or coach personally, that is OK with me. If saying a player is playing terrible, or that player stinks, for example going 1 for 35 and yet some in here have problem with ever criticizing Espi or Davey playing him, my response is I could care less what you think and stop playing I got you when one loses their cool. I have concluded that the only trolls in here are the ones who play i got you with other fans feelings and emotions and I am tired of it, How any one could not feel down about this team after all the build up and fan investment is simply beyond me.

  220. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 11:04 PM

    SCNats–I don't think fans are saying "stay the course." And you are not going to hear anything different from Davey (who will support his players) or Rizzo (who won't tip his hand). We will see what happens when the road trip is over.

  221. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Sorry to disappoint you, mick. I'm not mad.

  222. NatsJack in Florida - May 19, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    It's the fact that the season is still 12 days away from the 1/3 mark and these guys start throwing everybody under the bus on an out by out basis. Apparently, how you play in mid May is how a team plays through September.This team has the horses to run off an 8 game winning streak at any point in the season. Obviously, they need to get everyone healthy but it's there. I'll wager that they do that a couple of times between now and October 1st.Things will sound alot better around here when that happens.I expect roster changes around June 1st.

  223. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    Hopefully we got all the bad baseball out of us today.

  224. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    David if you are talking at me my belief is 180 degrees from wat you say.I go into every single game assuming a victory.Every pitcher will pitch a sytout, every hitters at least 2 its.Unrealistic maybe, but I assume it. (Even assume Espi will get 2 hits).I then get disappointed when players don't perform.

  225. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    Good thing Drew didn't do that on Friday (HR, now HBP).

  226. SCNatsFan - May 19, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    I'm saying management is staying stay the course, if not with words but with their actions. Three guys under 163 starting and not a single player sent down.

  227. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    I expect a 100 win season still. Will be disappointed if they fall short.

  228. Nats106 - May 19, 2013 at 11:09 PM

    NatsLady, unfortunately I have not given up. I will be at this weekend's game and won't be wearing my son's Ryan Howard jersey (although I'm tempted). And I will be there then again the home games with the Mets and Twins. I guess my frustration is that if I'm going to show up to games, so should my team. Gotta agree with SCNatsFan comment at 7:00. Something is terribly amiss here-this team has too much talent to be grouped with the overpaid Dodgers and Angels…..

  229. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    Just need 9 to tie. seen it a few times in my life.Why not today.The Harper commercial he says what I think.

  230. nats guy - May 19, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    Jeffwx,What are you smoking? This is a real bad team right now. They are not one hitter away or one pitcher away. Hopefully they can pull up enough effort to go over .500 when Harper and Werth get back. But they certainly are not playoff or WS class. Too many holes. Tyler Moore cannot hit anything with a wrinkle in it. Espinosa cannot hit anything. RZim cannot throw. Haren is 50 50. Storen has not been the same since surgery. Clippard fell in love with his changeup and can't throw his fastball for strikes anymore. They don't need a closer if they aren't in contention. Detwiler has forgotten that you have to throw something besides a fastball. Zack Dukes does not belong in MLB. HRod couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a hand fill of peas. That is a lot of problems to fix.

  231. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    106, I will be getting tickets to all three games if the weather is decent. Monday's game is on my plan. Win or lose, I will be glad to be at a baseball game with our boys. But I will be a LOT happier if we win.

  232. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 11:13 PM

    On the bright side: Middle of the lineup is strong. Zim and ALR are back. Lombo had a 2/3 day. Span looked to be breaking out of his little slump. Moore drilled the ball several times and got robbed.Those are all big positives, especially with the reinforcements (Harper, Werth) returning soon. And we didn't even have Desmond for this game.I won't get into the negatives because there are too many to list.

  233. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 11:13 PM

    Zim's bat is back, ALR is hot, Lombo on the way, Bryce and Jayson at some point, pitching has been ok. If we had these four runs for JZim, we win three. It's a stinker for sure- SD has been very hitterish against ALL our pitchers today.

  234. Nats106 - May 19, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    Nats guy, true words. You missed that Davey has forgotten more baseball than most people know. Maybe that's also a problem. Time to start hitting the memory banks.

  235. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    First of 14 runners on our way.

  236. mick - May 19, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    I just realized, Duke is pitching tomorrow… how fitting, he could put the punctuation mark on the season on May 20

  237. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    Span hustle a little more.

  238. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 11:16 PM

    There is definitely something amiss with Storen. Clip has always been "in love" with his change-up. That's how he stays off the DL, it's easier on his arm. But when you say Rizzo "puts up" with this, you don't know that. He is NEVER, EVER going to say what he is thinking. But if he is with the team, that is a signal he knows things are not going well, If he thought the team was fine, he would be off scouting for the draft or something–I'm not kidding, he said that in an interview.

  239. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    On second view Span clearly safe.Ump much more interested in leaving thenbeing accurate.

  240. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    2-1, last night. 13-4 today. What a crazy game.

  241. Joe Seamhead - May 19, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    I'm not throwing in any towels. We are like an 8 cylinder engine running with a couple of bad plug wires and the timing set wrong. Nothing that can't be fixed. Relax, will you? We got this. You'll see.

  242. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    They need some fixing clearly. Mostly tge hitting.Pitchers in general not a problem only one not to give up a run today was HROD.But the hitters need a fix. Two are Harper and Werth need to heal and play.Espi must either hit or quit.Way to many holes in todays lineup.Biggest problem I dobt need to mention.

  243. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    I didn't go in today expecting to win. And tomorrow, we will see whether Vogelsong is worse than Duke or vice-versa. But Tuesday and Wednesday I have expectations (Stras and Gio). You go on the road with key players injured, you are lucky to get 5/10, very lucky.

  244. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    voglesong's ERA is about 8.00 He has been terrible, why would you expect lose that? I see it as easy when, and will be bitterly disappointed losing having seen his last 3 games.Suzuki then out 40% last year at Oakland 4% this year.Difference we are ckueless on defense.

  245. JayB - May 19, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    Njack…you make me laugh….can't wait for your July posts about how Danny is going to hit .400 the rest of the way to get to his Normal .235.Drew is going to get the ball down in August.Moore will hit in September.Davey has it all planned out and that is why he only worked 90 mins a day in March.This team is dead.Roster moves were needed in April…..why what for June.Danny is done. Roger is Done. Moore is done. Drew is done. Time to make these moves now not when you are 8 games back in June

  246. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    This description of how the Fillies won their game is wild. They are going down to beat up on the Fish now, so prepare yourselves for lots of angst on this site if they pass us in the standings…! It won't last.–by Bill Baer.The ninth inning of today’s Reds-Phillies series finale was full of statistical improbabilities. First, Delmon Young drew a four-pitch walk (yes, Delmon Young walked) against Aroldis Chapman. He was immediately replaced by pitcher and pinch-runner Cliff Lee. With Erik Kratz at the plate battling Chapman in a 2-2 count, the lefty reliever picked Lee off of first, seemingly a momentum and rally killer.(Why did Phillies manager Charlie Manuel pinch-run with a pitcher instead of John Mayberry, Jr.? He wanted to save a right-handed bat to pinch-hit for reliever Antonio Bastardo later in the inning. Lee has pinch-run for the Phillies many times in the past, and is better at the task than Young.)Kratz worked the count to 3-2, then drove a Chapman fastball over the fence in left field for a game-tying solo home run. It was the second consecutive game in which Chapman has forked over a lead. On Thursday, Chapman allowed an inherited runner to score on a Marcell Ozuna triple.With a freshly-tied game and one out, Freddy Galvis — getting a rare start today — took his turn at the dish. With a 1-1 count, Chapman placed a fastball letter-high over the plate, which the normally light-hitting Galvis laced down the left field line, whizzing over the top of the fence above the 334-foot sign in the corner, giving the Phillies the walk-off 3-2 victory. It is the first time in Chapman’s career (157 games) that he allowed two home runs in one outing.

  247. Nats106 - May 19, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Agreed, NatsLady. Tuesday and Wednesday are big for both teams. We shall see. Even if the offense continues to sputter, I'd like to see Stras deal effectively with adversity, like his last start. I guess I'm already assuming we will not have error free baseball.

  248. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Joe— Hurrah for you!!! Duke tomorrow night against the defending World Series champs. Reverse lock? Anything at all can happen!!! I love this game, I love this team, and I don't need to live for the possibility of a World Series every single day. It would be nice if it happened some time, but I am not going to be miserable every darn day obsessing over it. Right now I would settle for some good baseball and a series win. It's a process. Try to enjoy the journey.

  249. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 11:31 PM

    Vogelsong 41 innings 37 earned runsat least 5 uneared runs (last game) not sure total.Dont tell me ge becomes Cy Young tomorrow.Actually tomorrow is best match ip.stras vs. CainGio vs. Bumgardner.

  250. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    Manassas, Vogelsong is terrible, and the Giants make error after error (more than we do, recently). They just got shutout today in Colorado–how often does that happen?But, we are going into their house without Werth, so who will play that treacherous right-field? Duke is a frail reed to stand on, though Stammen will be at the ready. Harper–is he well enough? Bernadina? We walloped the Giants last year, and I hope we can do it again, but I will not let my spirits be crushed if we don't win.

  251. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    Manassas, Cain is no lock for them. I have been tracking him all season, he has had a lot of poor starts, I would not give up hope on that game, especially with Stras looking better. A key will be if Harper can play and produce anything. I have a feeling we don't know the whole story–as usual with injuries.

  252. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    I think first 2 games are in the win category. Third gamebraks have to our way for the win, but we will do it and go 6-4 on the trip.

  253. baseballswami - May 19, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    Ryan Mattheus manning up big time. Devastated but wearing it. Don't ever try to tell me they don 't care.

  254. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    What did he say, Swami? I missed it.

  255. NatsLady - May 19, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    Mattheus was the same after he had that game last year where he gave like 3 home runs. I really like him.

  256. peric - May 19, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    I expect roster changes around June 1st.Same here. But you probably know what I am going to say. I still see weakness in the starting pitching. Haren isn't really the answer. Yes, he had a couple of good games but then this? And now Duke for Detwiler? And hell no Chris Young is no answer he is like throwing fire on a gascanrahan. He'a already allowed 8 home runs and he started late for Syracuse!!! Most home runs on the staff. Ryan Perry is next in implosions.From what I'm seeing that basically leaves Danny Rosenbaum and Nate Karns. Taylor Jordan just arrived in AA. Perhaps soon-to-be followed by Robbie Ray. I'm not sure about either of those two although you know me I'd like to see 'em. Honestly, I'm not sure about Stammen but he looks like the most viable choice. However, right now just he and Soriano look to be effective shutdown artists out of the bullpen after Ryan Mattheus outing today.I'm not worried about hitting. Zim is coming on and in the end Harper will too. Desmond will follow and Werth fits in there afterward. I'm not sold on LaRoche but nothing is perfect. Span looks great in CF but I still think he's a better #2 to Werth at #1 in the lineup. Pitching though … You get good pitching from the starters and that's good for at least 10 games over .500 IMO. I think that's what Rizzo needs to look at first … that and the bullpen. As for Espy. I don't know if he needs the surgery or if needs AAA but he still does look lost at the plate. But, he's not the primary reason they lose. Replacing him won't make them better. In fact losing his glove might make them worst. Its the pitching and the heart of the lineup. And who bats first and second. I'd still like to see Werth batting first and Span batting 2nd.

  257. Secret wasian man - May 19, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    They stink. Period

  258. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 19, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    Vogelsong's average against is .333 I expect nothing less for us tomorrow night.Mattheus manning up is fine. However, when McCatty came out with 0 runs and bases load. Did he man up to McCatty then? What ever McCatty said he needs to file and not ever say again.

  259. peric - May 19, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    might make them worst. For Dr. BinM and I know you're out there … :)"might make them worse."

  260. Secret wasian man - May 19, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    2 more errors today. 5 stolen bases……. they stink. Last year obviously a fluke. They stink. 80 and 82. This year. Did I mention they stink.

  261. Secret wasian man - May 19, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    Michael Morse not here is a disaster. No power threats. No clubhouse mono. No nothing. Just a boring mediocre team at best.

  262. David Proctor - May 19, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    Adam Kilgore ‏@AdamKilgoreWP 1mDavey said Bryce Harper's status for Monday will be determined tomorrow. Multiple teammates mentioned he's hurting pretty bad.Just rest him. He can return with Werth on Friday at home.

  263. baseballswami - May 20, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    Mattheus said he was inexcusable– interviewer kept trying to give him an out- rusty, no real roles. Did not go there, Said he could not get the ball down and keep it a strike. Made zero excuses. Guy was wrecked. Also did not try to make it any shorter, just stood there and took it. He is usually good, got caught in the hitting juggernaut.

  264. Joe Seamhead - May 20, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    Swami, Werth, Harper and Ramos equals 3 out of 8 position starters out of the lineup. And with them out Davey is playing musical chairs every game, which isn't working out so good. I am a big defensive guy and you and I differ about the OF. I've made my views on playing Lombo and Moore in the OF, so I won't go there again. As to bringing up Kobernus, where is he going to play? He has a high BA, but I just don't know where you put him defensively. I'm becoming more open to Rendon coming back with every passing day, but he's not going to supplant Zimmerman, so I am thinking Espy goes on the DL, Lombo starts at 2nd, and Rendon becomes the utility guy.We need to keep the line moving offensively and this group isn't doing it.I have stayed optimistic. The second game we blew to the Cubs last weekend shook me hard all the way to my foundation, and I really believe that was an important game for the team to win after blowing the game the night before.They didn't, and they lost a lot of what swagger that they had left. We desperately need a spark to get it back. We have the guys to do it.When, where and who will it come from?

  265. baseballswami - May 20, 2013 at 12:09 AM

    I almost think we need to just take some games and invest them in the getting right process. Hit correctly even if you make an out, use pitchers that need work, get people healthy. Fix the process no matter what the score is in order to change course. If you think the people on this post just cannot stop yammering about the post season, then I cannot even imagine how it weighs on the players. I could just smack Davey for hiis lack of a filter with the World Series comments. You notice how much the other teams are enjoying beating us? Way too much.

  266. baseballswami - May 20, 2013 at 12:12 AM

    And so true on the missing swagger. Sense of fun totally absent also.

  267. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 20, 2013 at 12:15 AM

    If I bring up Rendon it is not to sit on the bench.

  268. baseballswami - May 20, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    I think they have to get Bryce and Jayson back first in order to be able to judge the dynamics of the line up. To me, it sure does feel like we never win if Bryce is on the bench.

  269. NatsLady - May 20, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    >Just rest him. He can return with Werth on Friday at home.That is my feeling, too. I don't want to see him in RF, especially if it is cold. If he does play, bite the bullet, put him in left and let Bernadina play RF. Hold him out AT LEAST until Stras is pitching. And give Zooook the day off. And trade Storen, bring up Abad.

  270. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 20, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    Harper just tweeted he cant wait to play in San Fran

  271. Eric - May 20, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    ::: gut punch :::Oof.Zim's homer was decisive, which was great to see. I'll leave it at that for now ;)

  272. Gonat - May 20, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    Lombardozzi was the hitting star today and that was a highlight. Espinosa 0-4. Put him on the bench where he can hit once in a week and the impact won't be as costly.Here's the difference between LaRoche and Espinosa when both were in those April slumps, LaRoche didn't have options and Danny does. LaRoche had a history of being an above average hitter, Danny never has over a full season. If you keep thinking Danny will improve, keep thinking.

  273. Joe Seamhead - May 20, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    I agree about Harper not playing RF in SF, NL.Espinosa and Moore coming up in the lineup has become akin to landing on "lose a turn" on Jeopardy..So, MNF, if you brought up Anthony where are you going to play him?

  274. Doc - May 20, 2013 at 12:41 AM

    So HRod is our 3rd or 4th best guy outa da pen!Things have changed this year!

  275. UnkyD - May 20, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    Wow. And Duke gets the start, tomorrow? That's gotta be some kind of built-in reverse-lock, right? At least Vogelsong's ERA is in the same absurd ballpark….GYFNG!!!!!!!!

  276. phil dunton - May 20, 2013 at 12:54 AM

    What roster moves can be made? Except for Rendon, the minor league cupboard is bare. Maybe we can trade Espinosa. Storen, H-Rod and Moore to Seattle for The Beast.

  277. SCNatsFan - May 20, 2013 at 12:55 AM

    I'm still positive this can be a special team but not as it is constructed. It is close. Rizzo can not stand by and watch this season slip away.

  278. rmoore446 - May 20, 2013 at 1:07 AM

    I still think the Nationals will end up having a good year. This is just a very bad patch. We need Harper and Werth in the lineup. Not much good to be said about this game. Espinosa went 0 for 4 but actually put the ball in play three times. A pitiful straw to grasp I know. Gallows humor: what's the over/under on how low Espi's batting average will have to fall before Davey pulls him? 150? I dunno. Davey's a stubborn fellow. I hope Espi goes 4 for 4 in the next game but I've been doing that for awhile.

  279. ehay2k - May 20, 2013 at 1:38 AM

    The Nats may or may not need to make a roster move or two, but they sure need to make a move on the coaching staff. Look how often we strike out. Look how poorly we approach each at-bat. Look how we may every 6+ ERA junk baller look like a perennial Cy Young runner-up, if not winner. No, the Nats hit IN SPITE of Rick Exckstein, not because of him. Please Rizzo, FIRE THE HITTING COACH !!!!

  280. baseballswami - May 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    It may be time for a new hitting coach. Who knows? Eck seems to have a very scouting heavy, stat based approach. Seems to be the worst thing for a young hitter like Moore. For the older, more veteran hitters, probably good. Don't know how much hands on mechanics are involved– or mental approach. If you watch him, he never seems to be encouraging or demonstrating- just checking his notebook or collecting more notes. Quite cerebral. May be that he is great, but it just becomes time for a new voice. Everything should be on the table. But it does sound like Espi just does not listen to anyone. That one day off was not enough to get through to him. With a full lineup things may click and it won't seem so bad. Pitching has been good until today, and just look at the huge turn around for ALR! Stras hit bottom and rebounded. I feel that the team has not played well, but they are hanging in. Would not take much to go on a run. Lock down pitching and even as much offense as today will do it. Saturday pitching with Sunday offense equals a win. Crappy timing there.

  281. peric - May 20, 2013 at 1:57 AM

    If I bring up Rendon it is not to sit on the bench.The guy still has to prove he can last more than a month or two. He hasn't played a full season in 4 years I think? I hope that didn't jinx it. But, he does have to get fully seasoned and ready. And that means 1/2 a season in Harrisburg and 1/2 season in Syracuse at the very least. In AAA he'll see more of the junk ball pitchers, the breaking ball artists. If he does extremely well there I don't think there will be any question about the guy coming up and starting at third base. But, I guess we'll see what position they decide to get him reps at in Syracuse.

  282. peric - May 20, 2013 at 2:02 AM

    What roster moves can be made? Except for Rendon, the minor league cupboard is bare. Maybe we can trade Espinosa. Storen, H-Rod and Moore to Seattle for The Beast.Davey told lefty reliever Fernando Abad he had made the 25-man. But, there just wasn't room. He hasn't done anything in Syracuse to disprove that in fact just the opposite. I'd look for that first. Erik Davis hasn't been too bad as well.Jeff Kobernus continues to hit. And he seems to be adjusting to the outfield quite well. Marerro is hitting. And Danny Rosenbaum hasn't been too bad as a starting lefty albeit of late he has fallen off somewhat. Same with Nate Karns from the right side.Anthony Rendon still has to get promoted to Syracuse.

  283. peric - May 20, 2013 at 2:04 AM

    When the NATS score at least 3 they have only lost twice. twice.Then make that 3 times.

  284. jeffwx - May 20, 2013 at 2:10 AM

    Stras/Zimm/Gio/Det…the best front four in BBSoriano/Clip/Stammen/Storen/…Span/Harper/Zimmm/ALR/Desi/Werth/Ramos/RendonWe're one bat or one LH reliever awayThis is a good teamWhat are you smokin, Nats Guy

  285. Eugene in Oregon - May 20, 2013 at 2:14 AM

    peric: I think 'when the other team scores at least 12' almost always trumps 'when the Nats score at least 3'.

  286. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 20, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    Why does Rendon have to prove he can hit mote than a month Espi hasnt proven that. Doesn't seem to be a requirement at all.Joe I explained the moves so I will repeat them.Bring up Rendon and he starts at second.Moore s sent back to Syracuse as tge accompanying move.Espi moves to the bench. If Rendon seems weak at second, Espi comes in as a defensive replacement after Rendon' 4th at bat.When Werth comes back Perez goes down.Line upSpanRendonHarperZimmermanLaRocheDesmondWerthCatcher Pitcher.

  287. Gonat - May 20, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    MNF, I really think Espi needs to slow things down in Syracuse. He will only benefit from the time there. Most likely he will crush the ball and then you decide what to do with him from there.

  288. Gonat - May 20, 2013 at 2:46 AM

    If this has been discussed I apologize. I heard this stat on ESPN that the Saturday Nats game was the 1st time in 2 years that a losing team didn't substitute 1 player.It also goes to the poor team management. Davey made a comment after Thursday's game why he didn't run for Chad Tracy when he had a pinch hit single and Davey's response was chuckling that he wanted to feel what it was like to be on base.Its not funny unless your lead is insurmountable. Bud Black was playing today's game like a must win with all of his moves and counter-moves.That's what disappointing to me that Davey is doing the same old thing.

  289. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 20, 2013 at 2:47 AM

    Gonat that works too, but i like his glove in 8th and 9th. His bat can stay in Syracuse.

  290. Gonat - May 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM

    Rendon will be fine and probably better at 2nd base. If not, Lombo is a good substitute. It's RZ who needs the late inning defensive replacement so maybe you move Rendon to 3rd in the late innings and Lombo to 2nd.

  291. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 20, 2013 at 2:52 AM

    The Tigers vs. Rangers game is a fun one to watch. The hitters know how to hit unlike some teams we know.I would love to see the NATS hitters hit like that, but our pitchers pitch like they usuakly do.

  292. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:00 AM

    Bring up Rendon and he starts at second.Just like with Espy who is the better athlete in the field, BTW, this WON'T happen until he gets to Syracuse and gets at least 3-4 weeks worth of full-time second base … or more. You might as well forget that notion. It would be like trading LaRoche and moving RZim to first without any notice AND last I looked RZim was the multi-year veteran who should be better able to manage such a feat.Expecting that from a rookie is just plain ridiculous and honestly just plain wrong.

  293. Eric - May 20, 2013 at 3:02 AM

    Rendon needs to prove he can field more than anything, IMO. He clearly had patience at the plate, even in the majors, and had great hitting potential.But, if they bring him up for 2B and he fields like he did when covering for Zim–or worse since it's a new position–we'll just be moving the problem from offense to defense.It continues to amaze me that so many folks here don't seem worried about that possibility. Given his stats and how he did covering for RZim, it seems a bumpy transition on D is a very real possibility. I just don't think he's the silver bullet.And I have a funny feeling people would be even less patient with him than they've been with Zim.Obviously I could be way off… And if/when he comes up, I would be thrilled to find that I am.

  294. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 20, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    Obviously Rizzo agrees with you.Espi's life time average is .232 so I don't see his .163 worth a spot.This stall talk is tge same stuff we heard about Harper and he did fine once up. I suspect the same of Rendon.

  295. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:05 AM

    AND you of course have thought this through in your infinite wisdom Manassas Nats Fan? Once Rendon is permanently ensconced at 2nd base in Syracuse for Danny (and Scott Boras) the handwriting will be on the wall. At that point Espinosa would have to be benched for the season. The likelihood of his playing 2nd base with superior skill diminishes. I could be wrong but It seems like some of Danny's worst days in the field were around when they put Rendon at second base or short in Harrisburg.

  296. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:06 AM

    This stall talk is tge same stuff we heard about Harper and he did fine once up. I suspect the same of Rendon.Harper had already had a full year playing the outfield in the minors at that point. And outfield is different from playing second base.

  297. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:08 AM

    And I have a funny feeling people would be even less patient with him than they've been with Zim.Understatement of the year given how they behaved when he was playing third for RZim.

  298. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:10 AM

    There are currently ONLY three choices at second base: Espinosa, Lombardozzi, Kobernus/Rhymes. That be it at this time. Next up would be a prospect named Ricky Hague.

  299. Eric - May 20, 2013 at 3:11 AM

    "Rendon will be fine and probably better at 2nd base."Better than… Who? Espi? Espi fields at .990 in the majors, Rendon at .930 in the minors. Is it possible he'll improve by leaps and bounds by fast tracking his ascension to the majors AND having it coincide with a move to a tougher position? I suppose, but again, I'm confused why people are so dismissive of the potential for a pretty bad outcome in the field.

  300. Gonat - May 20, 2013 at 3:13 AM

    Eric, I think all reasonable people are in agreement that Rendon needs 2 weeks playing every day in the Minors at 2nd base to prove he is ready. Even after that, we know he will be doing on the job training at the MLB level. Right now its to get a competent bat in there.

  301. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:14 AM

    IMHO, at this point the likelihood of Rizzo and the FO going outside for a trade to fill second base would be far more likely than Rendon. It might be possible to trade Espy and Lombo + and bring up Kobernus as the UTL to get a second bagger. Whoever they trade for will not be even close to Espinosa defensively. And won't provide gold-glove caliber backup at shortstop. So, perhaps y'all can understand why Rizzo and the FO might be reluctant about moving Espy and willing to keep him batting eighth behind the catcher if need be.

  302. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 20, 2013 at 3:15 AM

    My line where Espi goes is .220 and he is way under.How low does he have to get for Rizzo we know below .164.What is ypur bottom Peric, so I know when you come to our side.Also have you abandoned comparing Espi to LaRoche, the first month you compared them every game.

  303. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:15 AM

    Eric, I think all reasonable people are in agreement that Rendon needs 2 weeks playing every day in the Minors at 2nd base to prove he is ready.Danny was given more than that and he's a top notch shortstop. At least a month.

  304. Eric - May 20, 2013 at 3:17 AM

    I would feel a lot less jittery about Rendon learning 2B on the fly on the majors if we weren't already in last place in fielding in the MLB.Doesn't make sense to me…

  305. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:19 AM

    Also have you abandoned comparing Espi to LaRoche, the first month you compared them every game.Sure and what is LaRoche's OPS again? Is it as good as his former AZ Diamondback's teammate and former Orioles first bagger Mark Reynolds? Given the number of years he has played don't you think it should be significantly higher? And compare that to the number of years Danny has been in the league? Sheesh.snopes1 claimed the interloping "trolls" were Phillie fans. He's wrong. The blog is chock full.Danny is still young. His defensive prowess is unparalleled. He works hard, non-stop. As Rizzo put it they really don't have a better solution especially when you consider that Danny played shortstop today. Know anyone else that can stop in for Desmond for more than a game or two?

  306. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 20, 2013 at 3:20 AM

    Peric how bad des Espi bat to be replaced. I would replace him long ago.Ust want to know your bottom line.

  307. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:21 AM

    Doesn't make sense to me…Nor to anyone thinking rationally about it.

  308. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:22 AM

    Peric how bad des Espi bat to be replaced. I would replace him long ago.Actually, to be honest, Pudge's bat was far and away WORSE! And they stuck with him for the rest of the season for defensive reasons.

  309. Eric - May 20, 2013 at 3:22 AM

    peric, its always been my assumption that Espi's D is why he still has a job. When Rizzo mentioned that he's Desi's back up, too, I realized just how secure his job actually might be.His hitting is driving. Me. CRAZY, but I would hate to see him go.

  310. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:23 AM

    And MNF we know you loved you some Pudge now didn't you?

  311. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    His hitting is driving. Me. CRAZY, but I would hate to see him go.I think its killing him more than any fan. He's probably a giant tightly wound ball inside. I can just imagine what he would feel if he read the blogs. Everyone is blaming him exclusively for the Nat's woes!

  312. Eric - May 20, 2013 at 3:26 AM

    Oh, I agree. I have no doubt it's killing Espi way more than any of us.

  313. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 20, 2013 at 3:27 AM

    Not the last year he hit like crap.So espi could go to .090 and that is ok because o his defense.You asked if I thought about been thinking about this since before spring training.I dont like Zim's throws but tolerate it for .290 average.Would have no problem with Rendon throwing a few errors if he also batted .290

  314. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 20, 2013 at 3:30 AM

    I dont agree with you Eric. If it drove him as crazy as it drives me he would ix it.

  315. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:31 AM

    If July rolls around and they are in the mix … but barely I expect they'll trade LaRoche as expected. In preparation for Rendon. The problem Rizzo has is the dearth of left-handed hitting. He might reach out and try to grab a left-handed offensive catcher to go with Suzuki before next season because he's stuck with Werth in the outfield at age 35 in 2014. Unless he decides to make him a bench bat. Then, they can get a left-handed bat for the outfield to go with Span and Harper. As for second base. I'm not sure what they'll decide. Its a tough nut to manage. Espy brings a lot more to the table than most people see. They could go out and get Cano if the Yankees don't re-up him first. It seems likely for them to bring him back. Other than Cano there really isn't anything all that special out there or in the minors … so …

  316. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:33 AM

    So espi could go to .090 and that is ok because o his defense.Pudge was a guaranteed double play. Espy isn't.

  317. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:37 AM

    I dont like Zim's throws but tolerate it for .290 average.Would have no problem with Rendon throwing a few errors if he also batted .290One hole in the infield is enough and with Desmond's errors. In fact this team leads the majors in errors. That's what killed them in the past, why they could never make any headway. And a large reason why their record is hovering around .500. The defense.

  318. Eric - May 20, 2013 at 3:38 AM

    "Would have no problem with Rendon throwing a few errors if he also batted .290"If we weren't already doing so poorly in that regard, and the problem weren't so centered on the infield already, I'd agree 100%. But, the idea of opening another hole in the infield doesn't sit well with me at all. Right now we're teetering in some bizarre balance between shaky offense and shaky defense. I'm worried if one gives even a little without a massive boost to the other (meaning, line up-wide, not just in the 7 hole), then we'll really be in trouble.I dunno, I wish there were an easy answer to finding our stride, but the problems spread to all parts of our game. We need everyone healthy and operating near or at capacity. That's the only true solution IMO. I don't see Rendon being the singular solution not Espi the singular problem. They're heads and trails near as I can tell. Paging Dr. Frankenstein… ;)

  319. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:38 AM

    And as Davey put it today, Espy isn't the only one having problems at the plate, not by a long shot.

  320. Eric - May 20, 2013 at 3:41 AM

    peric, what the hell is happening?! Not site we've ever remotely agreed on anything, let alone said exactly the same thing in crosspost after crosspost! ;)

  321. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:42 AM

    At this point I have to admit I am kind of hoping Rizzo does with Espy as he did with Lannan that one season: send him to the minors to work on things. But Rizzo said (again) to the beat reporters: its a performance league but Espy's problems at the plate has yet to affect his defense. But, yeah I think he does need to get away from the pressure for a while. But will that help him or will it cripple his confidence? I sure don't know.

  322. Scott Margenau - May 20, 2013 at 3:42 AM

    Peric!! Get off Danny. Just stop it. Stop saying he's more athletic, superior, etc. Plz. He stinks. He will never ever be good. History is full of good athletes…that never achieve much. Put down the torch. I love how steadfast u r but it's time. Lombo will hit AND field better. U guys overrate espi in the field. FP favors Lombo and I've seen him make numerous great plays. Time for his FULL Time chance.

  323. Eric - May 20, 2013 at 3:43 AM

    Not site = not sure

  324. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:44 AM

    Put down the torch. I love how steadfast u r but it's time. Lombo will hit AND field better. U guys overrate espi in the field. As does Rizzo, Clark, Minniti, Harris, Johnson, etc. just to name a few. I believe Natsjack thinks of Danny along those lines.So, Scott Margenau unless you are fond of ignoring experts and the advanced stats that back up what they think? I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to see you cheap.

  325. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:45 AM

    see you cheap.sell you cheap.

  326. Eric - May 20, 2013 at 3:45 AM

    Lombo is much better suited to replace Espi than Rendon, defensively, imo… but, so far at least, he's not THAT much better on offense. Still, that experiment would make me much less nervous than Rendon at 2B.

  327. peric - May 20, 2013 at 3:48 AM

    Lombo is much better suited to replace Espi than Rendon, defensively, imo… but, so far at least, he's not THAT much better on offense. Still, that experiment would make me much less nervous than Rendon at 2B.Agreed. Of course AGonz is available again and he is more than capable at third, short, and second base. Very good range. Of course everyone here conveniently likes to forget about him. He was also a young prospect with this organization more suited to being a defensive replacement.

  328. Eric - May 20, 2013 at 3:49 AM

    I'm not familiar with AGonz…?

  329. Scott Margenau - May 20, 2013 at 3:51 AM

    Oops PericFP = fielding percentage. Rebut again! Danny is #fail So tell me why not try Lombo full time?

  330. Scott Margenau - May 20, 2013 at 3:55 AM

    Yes. At this point with Danny I will ignore the experts. If I'm wrong, it will be good for the team and I'll gladly eat my words. No expert man, that's just my perspective from watching every inning for 3 years. (well 98%)

  331. rmoore446 - May 20, 2013 at 3:58 AM

    Pudge's bat was not worse than Espi. His last season he hit .211, which is fifty points higher than Espinosa. Plus, it wasn't just his defense (which we could use some more of behind the plate) but he also called an excellent game and mentored the other catchers.The relative contributions ain't even close.

  332. baseballswami - May 20, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    Is anyone else getting tired of hashing and rehashing Espi, the hitting, HRod, Rendon? Is there anything else that can be added at this point? I truly hope that , win or lose, someone does or says something interesting to give us a break from the cicada like hum of the same old same old. At least when Bryce plays there is usually something going on that is not the usual. I want someone on this team to surprise me , prove me wrong and distract me from the same old nagging crap. I can 't believe I am posting this but- go Zach Duke!!!!!

  333. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 20, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    I cheer for Espi and want him to hit like first half of first season.He just needs to quit swinging and nissing at the hutter's pitches, quit making weak contact on pitcher's pitches and quit swing at balls not in the strike zone.Those 3 things he does much more than May 2011. Not sure why.I amsure he wants to do that too, but we can't do it for him, he has to do it.Working hard is not the answer, working productively is.

  334. Rabbit34 - May 20, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    I've said for years that we need bats and most everyone scoffed at me. Well………..????

  335. ehay2k - May 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    Rabbit, all the players have bats. It's the unfamiliarity with their proper use that is killing us. If only there was a way to instruct them on the proper use of a bat…

  336. Dave - May 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM

    As if that game weren't bad enough, Mattheus broke his hand after giving up five runs in SD, slamming his hand into a locker. He's on the DL.Maya, Abad up, Perez back down.It just gets worser and worser.

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Mark joins Rob Carlin and Joe Orsulak every Sunday at 10:30 p.m. to recap everything happening with the Nats and across baseball.

ON THE RADIO

As ESPN-980 AM's Nats Insider, Mark makes daily appearances on the station's various shows. Here's the 2015 schedule (subject to change)...

MON: 12:45 p.m.
TUE: 2:30 p.m.
WED: 4:30 p.m.
THU: 2:30 p.m.
FRI: 5:30 p.m.
SAT: 10:30 a.m.

*All times Eastern. You can also listen to the station on 94.3 FM, 92.7 FM and online at ESPN980.com. Click here for past audio clips.

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