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Game 51: Orioles at Nats

May 27, 2013, 4:00 PM EDT

Photo by Mark Zuckerman / NATS INSIDER
The Battle of Beltways begins today at Nationals Park.

The Nationals and Orioles have been playing each other every year since 2006, but never like this. As part of MLB's new schedule this season, all geographic interleague rivals are playing each other four straight days in two cities. So the Battle of the Beltways begins in D.C. today and tomorrow, then shifts to Baltimore on Wednesday and Thursday.

The Nationals go into this series banged up. They were already without Jayson Werth, Danny Espinosa and Wilson Ramos. Now they're without Bryce Harper, sidelined today with what Davey Johnson said was diagnosed as bursitis in his left knee. Harper will probably miss tomorrow's game as well, then might be able to DH at Camden Yards later this week.

Gio Gonzalez gets the start, looking to continue his recent hot streak (1.29 ERA over his last three outings). He'll be facing right-hander Jason Hammel, who somehow has a 6-2 record despite a 5.37 ERA.

Plenty of updates to come from the ballpark on this spectacular Memorial Day in the nation's capital…

BALTIMORE ORIOLES at WASHINGTON NATIONALS
Where: Nationals Park
Gametime: 1:05 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN, MLB Network (outside D.C./Baltimore market)
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500), WTEM (980 AM), XM 183
Weather: Partly cloudy, 72 degrees, Wind 5 mph out to RF

NATIONALS (26-24)
CF Denard Span
2B Steve Lombardozzi
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche

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  1. Gonat - May 27, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Caps Fan said… "Gonat said…Mark Zuckerman @ZuckermanCSNDavey says 50/50 on who tomorrow's starter will be. Acknowledged could be someone not on current roster"Why do you think they pulled Chris Young yesterday after just one inning? May 27, 2013 12:09 PM _________________________________Could it also possibly be because he threw 36 pitches in the 1st inning and gave up 3 hits, 2 walks and a HR with 3 earned runs?As they say he's earned his 7.88 ERA.

  2. tayo - May 27, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    No way its Crish Young. Thinking more of it possibly being Rosenbaum.

  3. Drew - May 27, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    Young has had poor results, but if he is the pick maybe he'll do better in the majors, where his slow stuff can befuddle hitters.Remember: John Lannan was ineffective in Syracuse last year, but had two very good spot starts for the Nats.

  4. Drew - May 27, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    That said, I'd be glad to see Danny Rosenbaum get a chance.

  5. Steady Eddie - May 27, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    Drew — We all wish but I saw him in ST and he was no better there. Plus Rosenbaum is not on the 40 man which is why we almost lost him in the Rule 5 draft.

  6. tayo - May 27, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    But Lannan wasn't as ineffective and he started picking it up just before he was recalled.

  7. Gonat - May 27, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    A lefty starter may be a good idea.

  8. A DC Wonk - May 27, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    baseballswami said… Baseball can be a strange game. Hope Wonk has some nice oddities for us tomorrow just to reinforce that theory.Thanks, Swami. I don't do this so much on weekends (I've noted in the past that most of my stuff is from "youcantpredictbaseball.com" and the baseball prosepctus hit list — and they don't do on weekends), and so I am heartened you were looking forward, but apologize for the lame effort this morning:- David Ortiz stole third. Second time this week. It's been about 17 years since he last stole third.- How this for excitement — Giants down 4-0 after five, tie it up; Rockies score 1 in the 10th, then Angel Pagan hits a two-run inside-the-park walkoff home run. (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2013_05_25_colmlb_sfnmlb_1&mode=wrap#gid=2013_05_25_colmlb_sfnmlb_1&mode=video)- Matt Kemp was double-switched out of a one-run game.

  9. Eugene in Oregon - May 27, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    Four of the first five hitters in the O's line-up have OPS+ numbers above 110, including Chris Davis at 203 (yes, over 200). Matt Wieters is at 96, J.J. Hardy at 83. Today's Nats line-up has three players with an OPS+ above 100: Ryan Zimmerman at 117, Adam LaRoche at 105 and Ian Desmond at 104. Gio Gonzalez needs to be at the top of his game today, then worry about tomorrow.

  10. Eugene in Oregon - May 27, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    DC Wonk: Angel Pagan's HR was a thing of beauty. Someone once wrote that the triple was the most exciting play in baseball, but an inside-the-park HR takes that up a notch — then add another notch for the walk-off.

  11. Drew - May 27, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    Tayo:You're right — Young has been much worse in Syracuse than Lannan was last year.It's hard to justify promoting a pitcher who has allowed 28 earned runs in 32 innings, unless they're just looking for a major league pedigree.

  12. MicheleS - May 27, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    GYFNG! AT THE PARK AND GOING TO ENJOY! THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE SERVED!

  13. Gonat - May 27, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    MicheleS said… GYFNG! AT THE PARK AND GOING TO ENJOY! THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE SERVED! May 27, 2013 12:52 PM ______________________________A Wooo-hoooo for that!

  14. tayo - May 27, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    @DrewAnd its not like we can't easily find a spot for Rosenbaum on our 40 if we really needed to. I think I'll rather have the deliver duo of Duke and Stammen as opposed to Young.

  15. phil dunton - May 27, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    With the Nationals only offensive weapon on the bench, how in the world are we going to score even one run. We should get used to Harper not playing because that's the way it is going to be until he learns how to play the game in an intelligent manner. Otherwise, he'll be a regular member of the DL.

  16. Caps Fan - May 27, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    I have to confess. Suggesting they pulled Chris Young yesterday so he might pitch tomorrow was not an original thought from me. I heard it from Dave Jageler when he was on 106.7 around noon today. That guy is clueless I guess.

  17. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Mike Boredick with Carpenter. I know MASN is trying to save money going with 1 broadcast but I doubt either fanbase can like the arrangement. Hammel throws 2 high in the zone to Span and they won't show pitch trax.

  18. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 27, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    At the game. Why is Eck coaching 1st?

  19. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    Even though Chris Young hasnt shown anything this year hes probably still better then Zach Duke if you believe in ERA. One is almost 8 ERA and one is almost 9 ERA. Any 3 ERAs that Rizzo can bring up.

  20. Drew - May 27, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    Caps Fan:Dave Jaegler is not clueless, and no one's suggesting you are, either.The speculation underscores our host's observation that there's no obvious alternative in Syracuse.

  21. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Gio walks. Oh dear.The strategy with Hammel should be to work the pitch count, right? Not great, Orioles bullpen is scuffling badly. Do more of that, Nats.

  22. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Eck is coaching 1B because Tony Tarasco is out expecting the birth of his first child.

  23. jeffwx - May 27, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    MNF…Tarasco with the wife and new baby

  24. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Sure, show the pitch trax on a Desi K.

  25. jeffwx - May 27, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    Tyler!!!!!

  26. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    TylerMo gives Phil D that run!

  27. jeffwx - May 27, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    Echoing Peric/Tayo,Is it time for Brown yet

  28. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 27, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    tymo looked good on the swing, Desi didnt.

  29. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    jeffwx to take place of who. Tracy. Stair lasted until the end of July.

  30. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    That was an impressive play by Zim.

  31. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    What a play by Ryan Z!

  32. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:41 PM

    There goes Gios no hitter.

  33. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Now Ryan Z gives it back. Oh no.

  34. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Well we've seen both the good and the bad of Zimmerman this inning.

  35. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    Is there any ways to tell which base hes made the throwing errors to. I recall 3 throwing errors to 2nd base.

  36. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    Gio gets out of it. Good job Gio.

  37. Drew - May 27, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    Whew. Dodged a big one there.

  38. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 27, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    After a great throw zim air mails one to second. Gio pitched 7 extra pitches because of it.

  39. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    Manassas, 7 stressful extra pitches.

  40. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    Gio is a legitimately good hitter now.

  41. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    Again the Nats pitchers shwoing they can hit better then some of the Nats position players.

  42. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    Gio "The Bat" Gonzalez comes through again.

  43. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    That would have been a nice time for a ambush bunt by Span. Thats not his deal swinging for the fences.

  44. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    Not smart baserunning by Gio and that cost Lombo a hit.

  45. Drew - May 27, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    I cannot understand the refusal to bunt Span there.I know you don't want to risk injury to the pitcher, but the play would have been to first.

  46. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    Drew, exactly my point and Gio scores on that play as a baserunner on 3rd.

  47. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 27, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    Span's non bunt cost Nats a run. Soon as he flew to enter, I said Lombo will ground to the middle and we will be out a run.Davey hates small ball. With this team we need small ball.

  48. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    Hammel throws Zimm a fastball down the shoot and Zimm missed his 2 run homer.

  49. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    There's a lot of hindsight in here. Span has been pretty hot lately. You want him to hit, not give up the out. It didn't work out.

  50. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    It seems that small ball with Desis bunt created a bunch of runs yesterday.

  51. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Leadoff walk. Nada good idea.

  52. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Gio. Walks. Stop that.

  53. Drew - May 27, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    David: I know Span's been hot — I just wanted to assure he'd advance the runner.Here's a disturbing stat: The entire Orioles team has only 18 errors. Zim and Ian have combined for 16.

  54. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    FP talking like a turncoat when hes sitting with these Oreos.

  55. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    Boo. The Nats had Davis, damn it.

  56. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    Leadoff walks. Say no more.

  57. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    Difference so far is walks, smart baseruning and clutch hits.

  58. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    Cat needed to chew his butt out right after the leadoff walk and single.

  59. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    Ugh. The O's can hit.

  60. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    Gios worst case scenario to Chris Davis as a leadoff man is a HR and the game would be tied 1-1. Now look at it.

  61. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    And Gio has stopped throwing his curve for strikes.

  62. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 27, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Gio lost command. Walks first guy on 4 pitches, then up1-2 on 8 batter and then tries to get him to fish instead of blowing him away evebtual single. Then more bad pitching.He is more inconsistent so far this year than Haren.

  63. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 27, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    mcCatty always to slow to the mound.

  64. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Alright well if we somehow hold them to 3, we have a shot. Holding the O's to 3 would be good.

  65. Drew - May 27, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Yes, the Orioles can hit. They also advance runners, by tagging up on fly balls and bunting players into scoring position.

  66. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Not clutch hitting. The O' s just have a lot of good hitters in general. And Gio got frustrated and left pitches up, which good hitters will take advantage of.What I don't understand is their hitting approach to Hammel. Make the guy work a little.

  67. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    The #Nationals secured outright waivers on RHP Yunesky Maya and assigned him to Triple-A Syracuse.

  68. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    Gio has been near-perfect in May before today, with an ERA around 1.

  69. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Jesus Christ. Navarro hits a bloop that sets up a big inning, now Davis does.

  70. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    Still mo curves from Gio.

  71. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    No curves.

  72. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Good job by Suzuki.

  73. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Proctor, its called BABIP. You put bat on ball and amazing things happen.

  74. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Suzuki got tired blocking all those crappy curve balls in the dirt. Can't say I blame him.

  75. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    Hammel is going to go 9 at this rate.

  76. Gonat - May 27, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    As I said earlier, if Karns is pulled from his start…..Karns was pulled.

  77. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    The O's bullpen sucks. This approach to hitting Hammel makes no sense.

  78. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    Looking forward to seeing Karns if it is indeed him.

  79. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    Who would get sent down or released for Karma to be brought in?And would he really be an upgrade on Duke? I'm dubious…

  80. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    At the least he would be a guy these hitters haven't seen and could possibly confuse them. Duke has tons of tape.

  81. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    Could be Karns. Caleb Clay pitching today.

  82. Gonat - May 27, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Karns was scheduled for today and last pitched on 5/22. Harrisburg saying he will be pushed to tomorrow as the starter. I guess we will see.

  83. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    Huh, Stammen today. That would definitely support the idea that Duke isn't our starter.Oh, Desi.

  84. mick - May 27, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Gio is simply having an off day and has NO OFFENSE to bail him out. This is depressing because I am convinced the so called experts and prognosticators do not know crap about MLB. The O's have rebuilt their team under the radar, and Angelos is having the last laugh. I will still take the Nats starting pitching over the O's,BUT, with the exception of Harper, there is not a single Nats I will take over an O' starter in the field. Reality sucks. Final analysis, O's management very under rated, Rizzo, I hate to say,, very over rated. i will take Buck over Davey is a second. This is so sad. I hope I am wrong, but O's will sweep us.

  85. Gonat - May 27, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    And this from Kilgore:@AdamKilgoreWPThis supports the idea that Chris Young will be called up to start tomorrow. Davey can pair his lefty long man, Duke, with a righty starter.

  86. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Mick, you need a chill pill buddy. The Oreos have no pitching. Remember that.

  87. mick - May 27, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    Nats 128… theoretically you are right, in reality will we hit?

  88. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Mick, thats the $100 to $127 million dollar question.

  89. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    A 2 run jack em yack em would be nice.

  90. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Desmond's average has been sinking like a rock.

  91. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Different strategies, Mick. O's are a classic AL team, with a great offense and poor general pitching. Nats are a classic NL team, pitching and defense-oriented.The O's came in to today one game better than the Nats in the standings. Both have serious problems.

  92. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    That'll help.

  93. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Desi got in to a bad habit in the Cubs series of expanding his strike zone. Thats what happens when you have weak hitters behind you and you show you are a aggressive swinger—-swing at this.

  94. William O. Douglas Loeffler - May 27, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    Tyler Moore has no business even stepping foot on a MLB field at this point. Hamel grooved that pitch and Moore still missed it by 3 feet.

  95. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    Emdash isnt there the saying Great pitching beats Great hitting.Gio didnt pitch great.

  96. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    Looking at standings, the Wild Card is coming out of the Central…do the Pirates fold again, I doubt it. This means Nats have to win the East. Horrible at bat by Moore.

  97. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    And Tyler Moore not being able to catch up with 93-94 mph fastballs isn't good. He's just not right at the plate for some reason.

  98. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Well Stammen got a groundball. It just found a hole.

  99. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:08 PM

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  100. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Nobody's winning a play off spot in May. Check back in late August, then tell me what's going on.

  101. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    can they keep this at 4-2… then maybe there is chance

  102. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    Another groundball that finds a hole.

  103. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    Navarro doesnt check his swing and the Nats dont get the call. Cost them a run.

  104. SCNatsFan - May 27, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    Bad call on the check swing and the o's cash in

  105. William O. Douglas Loeffler - May 27, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    The Nats are embarrassed about ditching Morse for Tyler Moore so apparently we are going to be subjected to these types of pathetic at bats all year. Tyler Moore can't run, he can't field and he can't hit at all. Baseball history is full of guys who hit ten homers as a rookie and who are then out of the game in two years. The Mets have a guy like that now. This cannot continue with Moore and Espinosa, unless the Nats are already writing off this year.

  106. Nats 128 - May 27, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    Oreos have very lucky BABIP. Ticks me off actually.

  107. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    let's add another ground ball finds a hole to the Excuse List. I will bet anyone Nats will be 500 going into Baltimore and 2 under when they go on the road. I really do not know how the Nats are built to win for the next decade?

  108. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    O's are a better team period, this pains me to post it

  109. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Yep, just like we were gonna be .500 or under and in third place after the Phillies series.

  110. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    we will see….

  111. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    Nats 128… I have said all along the Nats 2013 season would be a step back year, the whole key is what Rizzo does in finding the pieces on offense in 2014/ i believe in krama and dC sports has the worst… I fear Rizzo will botch it

  112. phil dunton - May 27, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    In 78 at bats, Tyler Moore has struck out 30 times.

  113. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    You say it "pains you to see it" yet you say it over and over and over and over and over. It must not be too painful. You say we're going to lose every single game and every single series.

  114. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:22 PM

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  115. SCNatsFan - May 27, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    I haven't given upon Moore or espi but I do believe a couple of weeks seeing lesser arms in the minors couldn't hurt

  116. phil dunton - May 27, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    Despite Peter Angelos, the Orioles have assembled a pretty good team.

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  119. jeffwx - May 27, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Uh….Zimmermann is pitching tomorrow…Even the O's will have a hard time hitting him.Nix Corey Brown call up by me if Berni hits like that. Also Harper in the lineup hopefully by Wednesday…And we haven't gotten to the O's bullpen yet.Hope Springs eternal

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  122. UnkyD - May 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    Abad has quite a bag of tricks…from mid-70s curve to mid-90s four-seamer…

  123. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    Shark stranded at second. That's unacceptable.

  124. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    enough of this, back to the Nats… they are having a long season and I fear they may not win 80, injuries are a factor and it is just one of these season. I just hope Rizzo knows what the heck he is doing in 2014

  125. jeffwx - May 27, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    I can feel your pain Mick, but we have some offense that is coming to life…Currently, Harper seems critical to the offense right now.

  126. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 27, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Risp Oriols 4 for 11 NATS 2 for 11.Surprise surprise.

  127. William O. Douglas Loeffler - May 27, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    Chad Tracy and Tyler Moore seem to be decent guys and all, but I am sorry, that is just not enough. Both of them need to be off the squad. Moore is striking out even more than last year and simply isn't providing any value at all to the team. It is not fair to the team or the fans to allow them to go out there and provide negative value game after game after game.

  128. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    I really thought Moore was going to be star this season, boy was I wrong. Tracy just played over his head last season and is at the end of his career. Historically, this reminds me of the 1970 Nats with old Lee Maye, he hit 280 plus in 1969 and in 1970 hit 220, he was an old man

  129. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    For those who say, Moore needs time, Fred Lynn and Jim Rice as rookies and 2nd year players did not time, I rest my case

  130. jeffwx - May 27, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    Tyler has skills that should start to pay off, IMHO

  131. jeffwx - May 27, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    This leads seems insurmountable…Bring in Kobernus…

  132. DJB - May 27, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    What I can't understand is Zimmerman's lack of power. Bob Carpenter said that the Nats are 1 and 6 when Harper is not starting. That's on Zimmerman. He's the $100 million man. He's paid that money to carry the team through stretches, but all he seems to do is hit singles. The obvious holes in the lineup are due to Rizzo. I think this has been a terribly mismanaged organization. The front office needs to be cleared out. We have a number of organizations that could provide a new front office. I know the Lerners want to win.

  133. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    don't you love Henry…jeesh!!!

  134. William O. Douglas Loeffler - May 27, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    Where are Tyler Moore's skills? He is slow and a mediocre fielder. He had a slightly negative WAR last year and this year his WAR is already well above one.He showed power in Double A and Triple A, but poor on base percentage. There are tons of guys like him in the minors. He was a low draft pick and he isn't all that young.

  135. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    DJD… best post of the day, as painful as it is

  136. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    Zim's power will come around. It was the same thing last year. He had 2 HRs at this point last season. Some of you who say how mismanaged this organization is must have forgotten the 2005-2010 Nationals.

  137. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    but the Nats could only go up after 2010 no matter who the GM is, also, You and I could have drafted Stras and Harper, Nats had back to back worse records in MLB

  138. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    Yeah, we could've both drafted Stras and Harper. Could we have traded for Gio Gonzalez? Drafted Jordan Zimmermann? Ross Detwiler? Traded for Tyler Clippard? The team is well built, it's just underperforming.

  139. DJB - May 27, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    I see no indication that Zimmerman's power will come around. I'm guessing he hits between 15 to 20 home runs and will have an OPS of 750 That is unacceptable, and Rizzo gave him the monster contract. We need to clear him out.

  140. William O. Douglas Loeffler - May 27, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    I think management was a bit arrogant in just jettisoning guys like Barnett and Morse who were key last year. I will admit however, that I too overestimated Tyler Moore's ability to fill in for Morse. Morse had shown he could hit major league pitching. Moore has been downright awful since about August of last year. Tracy has not been good since last May. I don't think anyone expected the Shark to be this bad, however, or Lombardozzi.

  141. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Nobody saw an indication last year either, DJB. The exact same things were being said.

  142. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    The Morse decision is going to haunt this team for years. Knowing Werth has injuries issues, trading Morse was just arrogant?? In bull pen, why not why not at least have kept Gonzales or Burnet in bull pen?

  143. William O. Douglas Loeffler - May 27, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Any team would have drafted Strasburg and Harper, assuming they could sign them. Machado is almost as good as Harper and we will see about the high pick kid pitcher the Orioles are just testing out.

  144. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    Gonzales has been awful this season and Burnett has spent a lot of time hurt. It's quite possible Rizzo didn't feel comfortable with Burnett's back.

  145. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    William O. Douglas Loefflerscary, i posted without seeing your post. I think you and i are spot on

  146. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    And look how Morse is leading the Mariners to the top of the AL West. Much like Dunn and Willingham have led their teams to Division championships.

  147. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    David Proctor said…Yeah, we could've both drafted Stras and Harper. Could we have traded for Gio Gonzalez? Drafted Jordan Zimmermann? Ross Detwiler? Traded for Tyler Clippard? The team is well built, it's just underperforming.I admit, Gio was great move by Rizzo and so was Suzuki at mid season. I agee about Zim, Det and ClipBUT… where is the depth this team was suppose to have?

  148. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    NatsJack in Florida Morse has nobody around him so the comparison is not fair

  149. mick - May 27, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Nats 128… you bring up Lannan, i forgot about that. That is a whole new discussion

  150. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Michael Morse has a negative WAR this year.

  151. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 7:58 PM

    Adam LaRoche has a positive WAR. Span has a very positive WAR. You don't put a guy facing a contract year who has proven he's a start on the bench. You'll never convince a free agent to sign with you again if you do that.

  152. William O. Douglas Loeffler - May 27, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    I like Span, but I honestly think that deal was a mistake. His OBP is nothing to write home about. He has very little power. His stolen base numbers are mediocre, currently below .70.He is a good fielder but due to his presence, Harper keeps getting moved all around instead of being allowed to learn how to play one position, which is the opposite of what we were promised. I think Morse in left, Harper in center and Werth in right was far superior to what we have going on now.Span needs to be getting on base no less than .370 of the time to make this deal at all decent. I don't have much confidence in that right now.

  153. mick - May 27, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Span was a great move, I am saying Morse should not have been traded period . It was foolish to trade him, he could have complimented Span and everyone else

  154. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 27, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Rizzo drafted Storen with 10th pick. Could have taken Trout. Imagine Trout and Harper batring back to back?

  155. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    "Span was a great move, I am saying Morse should not have been traded period . It was foolish to trade him, he could have complimented Span and everyone else"It's not that simple, Mick. You can't place a proven starter on the bench in their contract year. You'll create tons of animosity and good luck trying to sign a free agent here after that. Rizzo did right by Morse by trading him and that matters.

  156. UnkyD - May 27, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Methinks Mick found the key to the cooler….

  157. mick - May 27, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    given Werth's agea nd injuries, it made no sense to trade Morse. The could have kept Morse and traded Tracy?? the Storen drafting look good when he had 40 plus saves. Now, I think Drew is finished and Rizzo is going to take a lot of heat on the whole Storen-Trout deal

  158. JaneB - May 27, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    I used to believe we could come back from almost anything. But now I feel like I did two years ago: glad fir baseball, I still love my guys, and when we get in a hole we are cooked

  159. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    Mick, are you actually reading what I'm saying? You keep repeating yourself, not actually responding. KEEPING MORSE ON THE BENCH WAS NOT AN OPTION.

  160. William O. Douglas Loeffler - May 27, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    I don't think Morse was poorly treated at all. He left with class and dignity. I just think he would have done us a lot more good this year than Seattle, as would Willingham. I think WAR is a tool but nothing more. On a weak hitting team like the Nats, guys like those might provide more utiltiy.

  161. mick - May 27, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    Dave… I don;t think you would have had that animosity on a team that felt they were close winning a WS. I do think they would have resign him oncea free agent depending on how 2013 worked out

  162. jeffwx - May 27, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    I think Tyler has the potential to be a great hitter. Two years with 31 hrs…Hate looking at stats like WAR for a very part time player like Tyler has been.Agree with Mick, get Span, since we need a leadoff guy who can play outfield so well but keep Morse.I would bring Corey Brown up now, put Espi on DL, esp with the recurrent injuries with Harper/Werth.

  163. mick - May 27, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    but Why? and given Werth's wrist injury last year and his age, he would not have been on the been on the bench, this what confuses me about the teams thinking… they should have factored injuries into the decision

  164. William O. Douglas Loeffler - May 27, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    Storen didn't work out. We had a chance to deal him a couple of years ago and almost did, and I remember being thrilled that we kept him. In some parallel universe, we dealt Storen and ended up winning the World Series last year.The guy actually isn't walking people. His K/BB is excellent, which means he is either extremely unlucky or is just very hittable, or both, most likely, but I think he will never be a great reliever. That ship has sailed, I fear.

  165. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    Every time the Nats lose a game, some fans say it's time to clean house…Zimm's not going anywhere. He's still building up strength in the shoulder, and that's likely to come. So long as he gets on base at a good clip (the team's main problem) I don't care how he does it.The team needs to do some tinkering with their bench, and adjust their hitting approach. But I think they have most of the right personnel.

  166. David Proctor - May 27, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    All of Storen's advanced stats are very good. He's had horrible BABIP. That will come down to Earth.Also, the trade you're thinking of is Storen for Grienke. Of course, Jordan Zimmermann and Ian Desmond were also involved in that trade so…

  167. jeffwx - May 27, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    Morse was usually the odd guy out esp in 2010/2011 but always played nearly full time by June because of injuries. This year much the same playing for Werth/Harper and even ALR at times. You can count on it.

  168. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    It's the 40 man roster that needs some cleaning up and I expect you'll see that within the week.

  169. William O. Douglas Loeffler - May 27, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    I must have missed the 62 homers by Tyler Moore. Last time I counted he had 11. Oh, you mean in the minors, where he also struck out all the time and had a low on base percentage. Well, some things haven't changed. He still strikes out a lot and he has a microscopic obp to go along with his poor speed and fielding.I have no idea why people seem to believe in this guy. There are tons of guys who simply can't hit major league pitching.

  170. William O. Douglas Loeffler - May 27, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    21 runners for the O's today. 8 for the Nats. We kept it close, all things considered.

  171. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Literally every team in baseball wish they'd drafted Trout. Even the Angels picked someone in the slot before him. No one guessed he'd be this great. It's hard to blame Rizzo for missing in that case.As for winning the WS with no Drew…who would've been in instead? Clip, right? He was pretty hittable in that game too.

  172. jeffwx - May 27, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    And Morse can DH and play 3b/ss infield in a pinch….but rarely. He played 3b with the Nats once in 2010.

  173. mick - May 27, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    no post

  174. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 8:19 PM

    Morse would be comically awful at shortstop.

  175. jeffwx - May 27, 2013 at 8:19 PM

    William, even with 11 HRs playing parttime with 230 or so AB, aint bad.Nats need Power, I'd like to see more of Moore right now…I'm glad he's getting a chance.

  176. William O. Douglas Loeffler - May 27, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    I have nothing against Moore personally. He seems like a good guy in the clubhouse. I just don't know what the timetable is. It is hard for me to remember seeing contending teams like the Nats and Braves sending guys out to start games who are hitting .150 or less. We all know that something has to drastically change, but today, Moore was missing badly on big fat fast balls in the zone that looked like batting practice pitches. That doesn't bode well if he can't hit those types of pitches.

  177. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    WODL…..check BJ Upton wirh the Braves. At least he can play defense.

  178. Manassas Nats' Fan - May 27, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    Correct 26 teams had shots and passed and except the pick of Strasburg I am pretty sure the other 25 would say they wished they took him.

  179. EmDash - May 27, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    Morse has good hitting numbers, and is giving away the value he's providing through offense with poor defense. He's a net negative player so far.Also, when evaluating his numbers, they can't just be transferred over. He'd be facing different pitchers here. And AL West pitching is pretty poor outside of the Rangers. That makes it easier to put up good power numbers.

  180. NatsJack in Florida - May 27, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    IF Tyler Moore has any kind of extended ML career, it will be in the AL. He just doesn't have the tools to be an everyday player in the NL.And Lord knows he's going to have to prove hecan hit breaking stuff away.

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