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Instant analysis: Nats 3, Mets 2

Jun 5, 2013, 1:36 AM EDT

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Jayson Werth went 1-for-4 in his return from the DL.

Game in a nutshell: The afternoon featured a flurry of roster moves designed, in the words of GM Mike Rizzo, to put the best possible 25 men on the field to win tonight's game. But for eight innings, the result bore a striking resemblance to so many other nights over the last two months. The Nationals couldn't get anything going at the plate, and some sloppy defense wound up costing them and spoiling a great pitching performance. Jordan Zimmermann went eight innings and allowed zero earned runs, but the Mets brought two men home in the fifth via Adam LaRoche's throwing error. Those two runs should have proved enough because the Nationals did nothing against Mets right-hander Jeremy Hefner other than Ian Desmond's solo homer in the second. But then, it all finally came together in the bottom of the ninth against New York closer Bobby Parnell. Ryan Zimmerman, Adam LaRoche and Ian Desmond all recorded base hits to jump-start the rally. Steve Lombardozzi then delivered the game-winning sacrifice fly, giving the Nationals much-needed, 3-2 victory.

Hitting highlight: Just when it looked like the Nationals were doomed to yet another woeful night at the plate, they stormed back in dramatic fashion in the bottom of the ninth. Zimmerman led off with a double off the wall in right-center, barely beating RickRead more »

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  1. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    Ghost Of Steve M. said… Please Nats let's get this tied up here and win it on a walk-off. June 04, 2013 9:21 PM I am on a roll and called the wild pitch! LOL

  2. David Proctor - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:38 AM

    David Proctor said…Hey, we haven't walked off yet. That's going to happen sometime. :)June 04, 2013 8:57 PM Just sayin.

  3. Knoxville Nat - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:38 AM

    Mr. Sac Fly comes through once again. Way to go Nats!

  4. ehay2k - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:39 AM

    Nice way to start a homestand – clean out the non-performers, then win on a walk off by a guy who plays above what his physical talents would let you believe.Good pitching, especially the calmness after some errors, by Zimnn

  5. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:39 AM

    Knoxville Nat, isn't that the truth! Add that to the NIDO Glossary!

  6. SCNatsFan - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:39 AM

    Man did we need this. With the new guys here the clubhouse will be rocking and hopefully this turns the tide and we look back and say this is the night that, for many reasons, turned this season around.Can't help to hunk with all that high cheese Danny would not have fared as well fouling those pitches off.

  7. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    Circle this date on your calendar as this could be the date like July 21 2012 as the turning point.

  8. Joe Seamhead - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:43 AM

    I think someone hired an exorcist. The black cloud has been lifted. Who let the dogs out? The fight has begun! GYFNG!!!

  9. natsfan1a - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:43 AM

    Wooooooooooo! Hoooooooooooooo! (for Michele)

  10. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:44 AM

    What a team win! Steve Lombardozzi may not be a starter but he once again showed composure at the plate. You have to love guys like this on your team!

  11. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    Kilgore and Kolko for the last hour have been Tweetering Doom & Gloom. Jerkoffs.

  12. Clip&Store - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    holy crap, they actually showed heart tonight

  13. jeeves - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:47 AM

    Good start. Now, Souza to take the place of Harper (or maybe Brown should be given the chance) or both. Send Moore down and part ways with Bernadina. Let Tracey go as well, and playoffs here we come.And my apologies Natslady for misrepresenting your take on Harper.

  14. ehay2k - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM

    Lol – Knight taking to Lombo and says Nats only had two runs in the ninth ALL SEASON, but got two tonight? Hope this is the start of a trend. And, of course, if they could just convince Chipper to come help all our hitters…

  15. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    jeeves, Part ways with Bernadina? Have you seen what he has done in the last 30 days?

  16. paul brandt - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    ok, DP, just giving you love all around since you are asking for it…here is my post from the previous post:kudos to David Proctor given his post @ 9:09pm…was going to ask if you could share what you are smoking but i refrained…nice call bro…much needed walk-off win and to hear it was the first of the year, wow!

  17. JaneB - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:50 AM

    I feel awful for Danny. And yet, had it been Danny up instead of Lombo, I wouldn't have had any confidence that it would end this way.

  18. A DC Wonk - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:51 AM

    From prior thread (names removed)No fight in this team. None at all. I feel very sorry for Jordan Zimmerman. Doesn't deserve to lose. These guys have quit. Bunch of quitters.No chance. This is the 2013 Nats(with Lombo up)He's overmatched. Not a clue===========What I said just before gametime:OK, folks, strap on the seatbelts. We knew this was coming — been talking about it for weeks:We now enter a 105-game stretch where most everybody we play is not an elite team. This, and some new guys, and Harper back next week, is when we start to make our move.GYFNG! Look out — here we come!

  19. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:51 AM

    Lombardozzi is killing is OBP with all of these Sac Flys! That's like taking 3 walks off of your OBP.

  20. David Proctor - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:54 AM

    Lombo was dead set against taking a walk. Parnell didn't throw him a single strike. But hey, it worked out!Also, what is Terry Collins smoking? Walking Bernadina? I get he wanted the force but walking a .150 hitter to load the bases? To get to a better hitter? Odd.

  21. Nats 128 - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:54 AM

    Couldnt get a good signal at the park. At Barracks Row for drinks. What a celebration! Best win of the year. Was Zimm out or safe at 2nd.Lombo has been clutch. How funny the stuff we said about Espy swinging at balls at his eyes and Lombo swung and made contact with every one.Isnt that ironic (credit to Alanis)

  22. natsfan1a - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:55 AM

    Wonk, does one of them start with an "M"? Nevermind.

  23. natsfan1a - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:55 AM

    Looked like Zim was safe on the replays.

  24. natsfan1a - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:56 AM

    Speaking of Bernadina, how funny was Werth inciting the shark arm thing from the dugout?

  25. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:57 AM

    David Proctor, again, Bernadina is hitting just fine in the last 30 and it's the right move by Collins, absolutely. You need the force at home. Baseball 101

  26. Scooter - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:58 AM

    Maybe it's been said (haven't read comments yet), but: way to go, FANS! Y'all sounded great.

  27. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 5, 2013 at 1:58 AM

    Helluva game folks…. Helluva game….

  28. A DC Wonk - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:01 AM

    Knight taking to Lombo and says Nats only had two runs in the ninth ALL SEASON, but got two tonight?Just looked it up. He's right. Prior to tonight, the Nats have played in 42 ninth innings. A team slash line of .141/.174/.169 — and only two runs. (That's a rate of under 0.05)For comparison, the NL as a league has a 9th inning slash line of .230/.290/.353 (in 655 9th innings, 248 runs, a rate of 0.37 — over seven times highe).

  29. paul brandt - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    he was definitely safe, just watched again on slo-mo…throw beat him but was to the 1B side of the bag and by then, Ryan's right hand was in but he sure looked out when live…Ankiel still has a canon.

  30. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    WAR, what is it good for, Lombo, Lombo, Man, I want to be a Lombo Man!!!!Ladies and Gentlemen, Our long Nationals Nightmare is finally over, causeBecause it's Despi, Henry and the DukeGood luck guys

  31. A DC Wonk - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    Lombo has been clutch. How funny the stuff we said about Espy swinging at balls at his eyes and Lombo swung and made contact with every one.Indeed, that was nerve-wracking, because the first *seven* (or eight?) pitches were *all* high and out of the strike zone. I don't know why Lombo swung at some of those, but thankfully he was able to foul a bunch off.

  32. baseballswami - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    Ahhhhhh. So nice. At least JZ doesn't get the loss. Lombo with his best Jayson Werth impression! Werth made me nervous jumping that dugout railing, though. I hope this gets that late inning, come from behind, monkey off their backs.

  33. natsfan1a - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    Indeed, the crowd sounded loud. Did us proud.

  34. David Proctor - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:06 AM

    Rendon to start at 2B tomorrow. I assume Lombo will be in LF.

  35. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    RZ set up that whole inning by taking 2nd base against The Arm. Getting to 3rd on that wild pitch brought the IF in and enabled ALR to poke one through the right side of the D. We have talked about Zim's base running smarts in the past, and it paid off, again, in the 9th.So much better to have a contact hitter up in that situation. I'm sorry, but Danny would have struck out 3 times over, swinging at those high fast balls. Lombo kept fouling them off until he got one in the air to the OF. That is game-winning situational hitting.The guy with the biggest grin in the post-game scrum was Anthony Rendon. He was more excited than Lombo.I think Werth has an effect on this team, just with the presence he brings. Difficult to define, but you know it when you see it. They will be a different team with him back in the dugout, the club house, and on the field.

  36. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:11 AM

    It is so crucial to have vets in the dugout like Werth…He and others have to be there to pass along the wisdom of the ages…like to be a team player in a marathon season, it's not worth running into walls. So many positives in one day…but it's a long season..And they have the game on here in Colonial Williamsburg.

  37. baseballswami - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:11 AM

    So JZ thinks he was wild early in the game. Haha. We thought he was a little out of sync. Zero earned runs and he calls it wild. What a guy. End of the game will show you what can happen when the guy at the plate goes up there with an actual plan. We need more of that.

  38. Steady Eddie - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:12 AM

    Crowd came alive in the 9th, was the best win of the year, great to be there!Lombo rightly swung at those pitches because they were close enough to the zone that there was a serious chance that the HP ump would give them to a pitcher like Parnrll against s team like this year's Nats. After all, the called third "strike" to ALR was at least 4 or five inches outside. Most of Parnell's were closer than that.

  39. Less Platu - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:14 AM

    Excellent win! Just like old times. Could be a momentum changer and the Nats will go on a roll. That's my bet.

  40. Less Platu - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:16 AM

    I do wish they'd consider bringing up Corey Brown and sending Bernie down. It's Brown's time and Bernie has had his.Is Corey Brown hurt?

  41. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:17 AM

    Like Ken Boyer who had to teach the young but talented hothead, Tim McCarver, about the long season. McCarver, making an out, starts throwing his bat, helmet as usual, had to learn that these kinds of tantrums don't help the team. Harper has a lot to learn…Werth will help as an older McCarver was told to help the young Ted Simmons, who was to take his job. McCarver helped Simmons because he owed it to the team for those that helped him.

  42. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:18 AM

    Ghost Of Steve M. said… Rangers 1st baseman David Murphy is pitching for the Rangers and just got a K. June 04, 2013 10:13 PM Ghost Of Steve M. said… After the K, the batter gets thrown out for arguing balls and strikes.

  43. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:19 AM

    Less Platu, let me say it again. They are not DFAing Bernadina now who is a valuable bench player and is making $1 million+

  44. baseballswami - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:20 AM

    In that situation, you have got to protect the plate. Too many guys stand there navel gazing or grounding out. He knew the ball had to be up for the sac fly. Not trying to hit a grand slam, trying to score the run needed to win the game. You know- a gritty baseball player trying to do the right thing for his team.

  45. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:20 AM

    I'm wondering if we see Lombo in the OF and Rendon at 2nd….

  46. SCNatsFan - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:21 AM

    Less Platu Shark is out of options he can't be sent down and he won't be released

  47. BigCat - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:22 AM

    Why doesn't Rizzo like Lombo? The guy is a pro. I'll tell you what, he had no business swinging at any of the pitches he did tonight, but he made contact and got the job done. Here is a question. Who are the scouts that are associated with the signing of Espi, Lombo and Rendon. You might not think that matters, but believe me there does. I'll bet Rizzo had nothing to do with the Lombo signing and everything to do with Espi and Rendon. Agents also get into play. Lombo is getting hosed if Rendon is coming up to start over him at 2B

  48. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    SCNatsFan, serve me up a virtual beer

  49. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:25 AM

    MrsB loves the Nats said… I'm wondering if we see Lombo in the OF and Rendon at 2nd…. June 04, 2013 10:20 PM I would say yes and probably switch Lombo to 2nd late in the game for Bernadina to the LF but what do I know.

  50. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:26 AM

    Yes, when the Cards were out of contention, Dick Groat was told to stop sacrificing so he could have a chance to win the batting title. So he comes up with a runner on, and pulls the ball to move the runner over. Continuing to help the team when it didn't matter, his manager comes up to him and says you couldn't stop if you tried.That's what wins ballgames…Lombo is that kind of utility player that BABIP, WAR can not completely measure. These stats are excellent guidance used to help make a decision, not to make the decision

  51. David Proctor - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:26 AM

    BigCat, Rendon is a top prospect with a ceiling Lombo will not even come close to touching. I like Lombo. He's a valuable player. Having said that, there's no need to OVERVALUE him.

  52. David Proctor - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:27 AM

    Multiple players had heard earlier today that Danny Espinosa had been optioned, not DL'd. Apparently, #Nats' plan with Espinosa changed.Very odd.

  53. David Proctor - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    Andrew McCutchen just robbed Freddie Freeman of a walk off home run.

  54. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    Freeman misses a HR by thaaat much

  55. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    or undervalue him when Despi was swinging and missing because his glove was just so much better

  56. BigCat - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    But what a greeeeeaaaat win for us. Darn we needed this one. ONE GAME, ONE INNING, ONE PITCH AT A TIME

  57. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    David, I owe you a virtual drink

  58. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    That's what I was thinking GoSM….

  59. dwb115 - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    Freeman just came about two feet short from a walk-off homer

  60. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    Grilli killing me, pitching poorly tonight.

  61. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    Mrs B, which comment are you agreeing with?

  62. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    Danny won't be optioned but I think he will be traded before the end of the July. Davey continues to play up the .157 hitter to keep his value up to a team in need of his skills.

  63. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    Dwb i thought was gone. Good job mccutchen

  64. David Proctor - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    Grilli shuts down the Braves rally and the game is headed to extras.

  65. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    I hope the Braves game goes 18 innings.

  66. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    has a chance…top of the 10th coming up

  67. BigCat - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    Proctor…Rendon is a top hitting prospect as a third baseman. Whats gonna happen when we need that tough double play in the late innings and he isn't sure about his footwork. Also, in the minors they have to slide directly into the base. In the bigs, you have that 3 foot cushion on each side of the base. Something to thing about there Proctor

  68. Joe Seamhead - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    I really don't want to put out any negatives tonight. Way to go, Nats!Welcome back, Jayson Werth! Way to go ,Lombo! Sleep well, Mr. Johnson!Relax. Really. We got this.

  69. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:35 AM

    jeffwx said… Danny won't be optioned but I think he will be traded before the end of the July. Davey continues to play up the .157 hitter to keep his value up to a team in need of his skills.I don't see it. His value is next to nothing plus he really is the only legit backup shortstop the Nats have.

  70. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:35 AM

    GoSM – this one:MrsB loves the Nats said… I'm wondering if we see Lombo in the OF and Rendon at 2nd…. June 04, 2013 10:20 PM I would say yes and probably switch Lombo to 2nd late in the game for Bernadina to the LF but what do I know.

  71. David Proctor - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    Jayson Werth thought Espinosa had been sent down. When told it was actually DL, he says, "Even better. He'll have time to heal."

  72. BigCat - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    And who said Lombo doesn't have a high ceiling? Put him at 2B for 50 games and lets see

  73. ehay2k - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    I wonder if Espi's injured shoulder, then wrist, just prevented him from having any real bat control, so he started flailing, then it got ingrained in him? No matter, he will heal, get some excellent (not Ecksellent ) hitting instruction during rehab, and we'll see how he fares. At one point, he was a serviceable 2b, albeit with a loopy swing. I love his glove so I hope he gets the body healed, the rocks out of his head (trying to play with a broken wrist? REALLY?), and his swing smoothed out.

  74. MicheleS - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    OMG! WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO! thanks 1a. Best game of the year! I have no voice left

  75. SCNatsFan - Jun 4, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    My pleasure Ghost.No way Danny gets traded his value is at an all time low for someone with his ceiling. The rub is what happens if Rendon owns 2B, Danny returns after a rehab and does well in the minors (according to SC Nats Fan, not likely but hopeful). Not enough room on the roster for Rendon, Lombo and Espi. Look forward to finding out the story behind what really happened. The locker clean out is weird. Me thinks either way Danny knew he was out of DC for he foreseeable future.

  76. SCNatsFan - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:38 AM

    Damn Ghost now I owe you two

  77. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:40 AM

    Well, they are doing the unthinkable now and going without the only legit backup shortstop…IMO, we can't afford to have him taking up a spot (like Henry was) just to be the backup ss. They must be thinking of other possibilities outside the batters box. We need 25 players…When Harper and Ramos return, we'll have that.

  78. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:41 AM

    SCNatsFan, I'm on a roll today! I think with the case that JD owes me and Peric's payment, I'm doing OK but not as good as the Nats are! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  79. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:41 AM

    Espinosa will be sent down for a long rehab to try and get his swing in order, at least that's what I read on the WAPO journal

  80. Joe Seamhead - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:43 AM

    Big Cat said:Here is a question. Who are the scouts that are associated with the signing of Espi, Lombo and Rendon. You might not think that matters, but believe me there does. I'll bet Rizzo had nothing to do with the Lombo signing and everything to do with Espi and Rendon.————————–What are you basing that on? Your trashing Mike Rizzo is your right, but I think this statement is just unfounded on any factual basis. I'm calling you out to explain where, or what, that you're basing it on? What inside scouting report are you privy to. Do tell.

  81. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:44 AM

    Mrs. B, thanks. I had some negatives prepared if the Nats lost but I have to bring up not pinch running for LaRoche after his single was a mistake. It just added to the drama but I believe the speedy Kobernus scores on that play.

  82. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:44 AM

    We've seen 1500 Danny ABs. Isn't that enough.He has value just as you say cause he has the high ceiling potential that some see in him.

  83. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:46 AM

    So much for Wacha being a stud. 6 earned tonight.

  84. NCNatsie - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:49 AM

    Ghost, I thought at the time that Kobernus for LaRoche on third was the right play, especially since TyMo was available in case we went to extras. Parnell was wild high, and the chance to score on a WP is better with pretty much anyone other LAR (exeept Haren of course.)

  85. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:50 AM

    jeffwx, he looks like damaged goods plus Davey needs him in waiting until the trading deadline and see if a backup shortstop is available or see if Danny can rake in AAA.

  86. NatsLady - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:52 AM

    Listened to the 9th inning while driving home from work. Didn't have a car accident. Good day all around (except for peeps breaking their arms patting themselves on the back…). Interesting Grilli using in the 9th of a tie game away. I would like Atlanta to lose, please. I hope Rizzo is right about Rendon at 2B. I was encouraged by him saying he had played there–well, in Little League. LOL.

  87. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:52 AM

    I'll agree with that Ghost. Who is the backup SS while Danny is out and then rehabbing in the minors.

  88. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:52 AM

    NCNatsie, as I said when he got on 1st with no outs and a tie game I would've gone to the pinch runner. It's prudent when you consider all the possibilities at that point.

  89. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:53 AM

    Grand Slam walkoff for PHillies

  90. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:53 AM

    1st and 2nd, one out in ATL

  91. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:54 AM

    Lombo is the backup for Danny although thats not what for more than 1 or 2 games.

  92. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:55 AM

    game over

  93. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:56 AM

    Pittsburgh's Clint Hurdle isn't bright. Just lost on a popup to the outfield as he had the outfield in with 1 out and men on 1st and 2nd.

  94. David Proctor - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:56 AM

    Phillies and Braves just walked off. 3 teams in the NL East all walk off.

  95. NatsLady - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:57 AM

    Barfs just walked off. Bucs put their best pitchers out there, they just got beat.

  96. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:57 AM

    well, they may have to use him for 13 games or more in the unlikely event that someone gets hurt. I would be suprised if Danny is back before July 1stBraves still up by 7….20th win at homePlay at noon tomorr

  97. David Proctor - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:58 AM

    Ian Desmond w impassioned postgame plea for fans/media not to place blame on Danny Espinosa, Henry Rodriguez, Zach Duke for team's struggles. "By no means did we win this game because they weren’t here."

  98. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:00 AM

    jeffwx, unfortunately without a trade, the only backup is Zach Walters and he looks shakey when pressure is on him. He is a mess with the bat also. I saw him make 2 fielding errors in 1 inning. Poor footwork for a MLB shortstop and his nerves get the better of him.

  99. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    Agreed Ian, but when your not winning with them, you may as well try something else. What do you have to lose.Yes, we wish we could have gotten more for Willingham but reality is we didn't…time to move on and make better decisions tomorrow

  100. baseballswami - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:02 AM

    Are we still on that backup short stop thing? Maybe a one game issue, if that. Part of a game. Nothing to base these decisions on. I personally think the option/ DL confusion had something to do with an ultimatum. One or the other- take it or leave it. Werth back. Jordan back to himself after that game in Balmer, hopefully 2 pitchers , Bryce and Ramos before too long. It will be fun to watch Rendon, Davis and Karns.

  101. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:03 AM

    Ian, don't worry about the fans..just keep going 2-4 and we'll take care of the rest.Danneeee, Henry and the Duke will not be forgotten, big guy

  102. Joe Seamhead - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:03 AM

    Bummer about the Braves and Phillies winning.OK, which one of you would have it that on June 4th that Steve Lombardozzi would have more RBI's than BJ Upton?

  103. BigCat - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    I want to know the reason that Espi has been playing probably a year too long. He struck out 200 times last year and is just not even close to being a college hitter at this time. He has a torn rotator and a cracked wrist. And to use the excuse that he is one of the best 2B in the league is a crock. The guy is an anchor that has killed us all year. He couldn't hit .275 in the local high school league. All I want to know there Seam is why is he playing? As for Rendon, I personally like Rendon. But to play him 3 games in AAA at 2B and then bring him up to play in front of Lombo AND Korbonus is another crock. Korbonus hit 330 in AAA and Lombo has proved he is a solid major leaguer. Ever wonder why HRod was given 9 lives? Yep…Rizzo traded for him. So all I want to know is who was responsible for signing Lombo,ESpi and Rendon.

  104. David Proctor - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    The Rays signed Jesus Flores.

  105. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    Agreed Swami, pretty clear to me that Management is not basing their decisions on backup ss. They think they have backup options…just discussing with Ghost.

  106. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:06 AM

    Good for Jesus!

  107. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:07 AM

    I always liked him

  108. A DC Wonk - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:07 AM

    BigCat said… And who said Lombo doesn't have a high ceiling? Put him at 2B for 50 games and lets seeSheesh — just look at the difference in the swings between Lombo and Rendon. Do you really think Lombo's ceiling is anywhere near Rendon's?I'll bet Rizzo had nothing to do with the Lombo signing and everything to do with Espi and Rendon.How much you wanna bet?They both came to us in the 2008 draft — Rizzo had already been Assistant GM and Vice President of Baseball Operations for the Nats for two years by then. I'm sure that Rizzo therefore had a hand in both of them.

  109. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:07 AM

    David Proctor said… Ian Desmond w impassioned postgame plea for fans/media not to place blame on Danny Espinosa, Henry Rodriguez, Zach Duke for team's struggles. "By no means did we win this game because they weren’t here." I didn't see that and it's classy but this win is a result of feeling like this team was finally stocked to win.It started with the FoF with that double and the field leader Ian Desmond with the clubhouse leader Jayson Werth cheering them on.I will say that 8th inning was a sorry excuse. Chad Tracy with another garbage Pinch hitting appearance and a lazy fly like I have seen more than I want to see again. Then a Lousy approach by Span. His job is to get on base any way he can. He starts with a 2-0 count and then plays power hitter and swings from his heals on a ball he should have taken for a called strike. Work the count at 2-1 and go from there. He changed his approach and has to think like a leadoff with the big bats behind him.

  110. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:09 AM

    Oh man, what a great win. So unexpected after the weak hitting first 8 innings, and so sweet on this day of all day. Lots of happy fans in Section 314 after the events of the day. One guy behind me commented that Espi would have struck out twice by the time Lombo got the sac fly. I had every confidence he would come through after the two sac flies in Atlanta.Werth had lots of chances out there, and seemed strong and confident. Great to see him back. And credit to Zim for a great slide to beat Ankiel's throw. That guy's arm is still amazing. Haven't checked the replay yet, but it looked like Wally Bell was giving the pitchers alot of strikes that were almost in the RH batters box against lefties. Hard not to be enthusiastic after a day like today. Things are heading in the right direction. It's a good day to be a Nats fan.

  111. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:09 AM

    Where is the Desi video on the post-game?

  112. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:11 AM

    BC…part of the plan,make it appear you don't need Danny that much by Rizzo, play him up by Davey tonight…get ready to get something for him by Midnight August 1. I'm sure other teams see value in him.Need 25 players to contribute if you are going to win it. Rizzo realizes he has to do better and he can't hold on to past mistakes if he is gonna get what he wants ( a big contract).

  113. NatsLady - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:16 AM

    Ian is a good guy. He loves his teammates.

  114. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:17 AM

    Yes, he loves the fans too.

  115. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:18 AM

    Just reading through the comments here. Ghost, you're dead wrong on the IBB to Bernadina. It might be baseball 101, but it's not baseball by the numbers. Check out this table. The chances of scoring a run go down just slightly when you go from 2nd and 3rd with none out to bases loaded with none out (86.1% to 85.6%). But the chances of scoring go down a lot if you get to 2nd and 3rd with 1 out (67.4%). The Shark had already struck out twice tonight. The move there was to pitch to him and get him out. The Mets gave us two chances to win the game with a sac fly by walking him.

  116. Joe Seamhead - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:19 AM

    Big Cat said:All I want to know there Seam is why is he playing? ———————-Why are you are directing this question at me ? When have I said that Espinosa should still be playing? I just asked you what you were basing your claim that Rizzo had nothing to do with signing Lombo signing. All I asked you is what you were basing that statement on?

  117. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:19 AM

    And if you love us Ian, just keep helping the team to win…Henry and Duke will be signed on by other teams and be given more chances than they were getting here.

  118. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:19 AM

    Section222, it's Baseball 101 in a walkoff situation. Sheesh.

  119. sjm308 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:20 AM

    Just got home! Very nice finish to a game that moved quickly.Was Zimm really safe? He looked out from 308 but the ump was right there. Excellent slide by the way.I would have pinch run for LaRoche twice. Once when he reached 1st and then definitely when he was on 3rd with no outs. But what do I know.Crowd seemed to stay for the entire game which was nice! Not much to cheer for until the 9th but we did just fine then. Kevin was jeering "Bobby" but I am not sure Parnell heard him from up in 308. Still, we had rally hats going and cheers and its so nice to win one in the 9th.Only negative for me is that Bernadina still seems lost. I would love to know the last time we started a lineup without any of the position players hitting under .200? or to put that in a positive spin, with all of our position players hitting over .200. I will say that one is a lot better than 4 which we had with Moore, Bernadina, Tracy and Espinosa all in the lineup at one time.Go Nats!! I feel 5 out of 6 coming on

  120. baseballswami - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:20 AM

    We finally got an iota of a lucky break to win a game we tried to lose. I cannot believe Zim had the cojones to run on Ankiel. That started it off. That was gutty determination, because Zim knows that arm. Then two very solid hits, and risp with zero outs. Seems like it's usually 2 outs. There was fight and heart in the ninth tonight, and very loud fans who did not leave the game. Pitching kept us in it. Offense was still nothing to write home about, but enough. I just think it's funny how people keep trying to figure out how Lombo can get results with his obvious lack of talent. Makes me amused. Smarts, hard work, team ethic, hustle. Those are tools also. People are quick to remind us that he really is not very good- ok, then. Every team needs guys that aren't toolsy but make the most of the skills they have.

  121. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:21 AM

    I have seen Managers with a man on 3rd with less than 2 outs in a walkoff situation walk 2 men to load the bases.

  122. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:22 AM

    sjm308, the ball beat him and a lousy effort by the 2nd baseman and he absolutely was safe.

  123. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:22 AM

    Info on Desi's comments seems to have come from tweets by Comak and Kolko. DavidP, you've quoted tweets quite a bit today. Good info, but you need to attribute it so people can check it out and know where it's coming from.

  124. baseballswami - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:23 AM

    Sjm– Zim was safe- the guy's glove was inches from his leg but not touching him before he touched base. Close, but no tag.

  125. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:23 AM

    He asked who was primary scout of the three, how is that trashing Rizzo. Just a wuestion though I know where he is going.

  126. sjm308 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    Thanks Ghost. My thoughts on walking Bernadina were thank you very much but when that happened I would have definitely pinch run for LaRoche and maybe done it even sooner. That is one of the many things I love about baseball is that you can have so many decisions on just one play. Would I have walked a guy hitting under .160? Not sure but I am sure glad they did.

  127. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    Before Sunday, The Shark was 7 for his last 20, with 2 homers and 3 rbis.Yes, I know that was so 3 games ago but, there are signs of productivity

  128. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    Ghost, don't sheesh me. I've seen that too. It depends on who the batter is. And if the batter was Zim or ALR or someone hitting above .200, it is the right move. Would you have walked Espi in that situation? I wouldn't have.

  129. sjm308 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:27 AM

    One last thing about the backup SS situation. Well, maybe a couple of things. Isn't that really a very very minor predicament? I am betting that Lombo can handle it for a couple of innings or games and I will bet with his arm that Rendon has also played some SS in between injuries. If Desmond has to miss multiple games then I am guessing they bring up Walters but why stress about something that isn't happening right now?

  130. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:27 AM

    Just for the record dont insult local high shool pitchers

  131. sjm308 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:28 AM

    Don't sheesh the dueces!!!! Love it!

  132. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:28 AM

    When Tracy hitting the road?

  133. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:30 AM

    NatsLady said… Ian is a good guy. He loves his teammates. Ian knows what it is like to get vitriol from fans.I got word that they chose today was the day getting back home that the team didn't want Espi to be subjected to fan backlash which I think Desi knew and fueled his comments.Supposedly this was put in motion to be this day for several days and that was the rush to promote Rendon.I got this from a reliable source but I guess it really doesn't matter. Just very interesting and something I didn't even consider. The rest of the choices definitely seem based on the weekend bad appearances by Henry and Duke.

  134. sjm308 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:30 AM

    This is totally off target but I have been dying to know something. I went off to San Francisco during our lads away trip and could not follow all the comments during that time. Did something happen to one of our posters? I am not trying to stir things up but his absence is obvious to me. Not that I mind, its still a great place to read baseball. I am just wondering if he said his good-byes or something and I missed it.

  135. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:31 AM

    MASN showed he was clearly safe. More so then it originally looked.

  136. Eric - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:31 AM

    Re: Espi, in case it hasn't been mentioned, Rizzo stated in a clip played on 106.7 that Espi is going on the 15 day DL, then down to AAA.

  137. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:32 AM

    IMHO, you can get a force at home and a possible DP with a ground ball and the bases loaded. Without 2nd and 3rd and a ground ball, you have only play and one out. So statistically, the chances of getting outs are much better.

  138. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:32 AM

    Section 222 said… Ghost, don't sheesh me. I've seen that too. It depends on who the batter is. And if the batter was Zim or ALR or someone hitting above .200, it is the right move. Would you have walked Espi in that situation? I wouldn't have. _____________________________Yes, I would've reluctantly walked Espi just because you have to give yourself the best chance to get the out at home.

  139. Eric - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:33 AM

    Oh, and he said rather definitively that Espi will be back this season… I'm that is based on him playing well down there, though.

  140. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:33 AM

    sjm, I agree with you. It's a miniscule thing in the broader scheme of things. There is no justification for keeping the human rally killer on the roster just so he could backup Desi. Very glad Rizzo recognized that.

  141. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:34 AM

    Just for the tecord, the Brrwers announcers giving out bogus info. Real idiots

  142. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:34 AM

    jeffwx, exactly. The tag play at home takes away the chance of the catcher completing the doubleplay with a force at home.I can't understand how some don't see it. It is clearly in the walkoff situation Baseball 101 with less than 2 outs.

  143. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:36 AM

    sjm, the name that can't be mentioned, has been censored when he/she describes some of us with not very flattering descriptions.

  144. A DC Wonk - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:38 AM

    FWIW, using "last 14 days" as a measurement — Shark was hitting .250 with 2 HR's. Lombo was at .267 — so I'm not sure I'd pitch to.But when I manage (from Sec 3's sofa? ;-) ) — when there is a walk-off situation, I like to have the force at home. I like the idea that a single pitch could get me two outs.But here's the question in my mind: if that's the case, why wasn't Parnell pitching the ball low? Pitching it high gets you pop-ups but also much easier to fly out (which loses) — pitching it low can get you a DP.

  145. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:38 AM

    oh well, my girlfriend is po'ed at me enuf…Great game, great discussions, great day. You gotta believe.

  146. Eric - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:39 AM

    Oh, and someone said Lombo is getting hosed if Rendon is up to start at second…First, I think Rendon is up to patch a utility hole when Lombo is needed in the outfield (aka, they're platooning at second) and second, I have always had the impression that Lombo is a utility guy, not someone vying for a staying role. I suppose anyone can become anything if they play up to it though.Anyway, my wish for Rendon if he starts tomorrow at 2B is that he has at least one opportunity to make me look silly for having fielding concerns about him and that he rises to the occasion in impressive fashion. Not too worried about his hitting… He's showed he can get that going over time.

  147. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:39 AM

    Section 222 said… sjm, I agree with you. It's a miniscule thing in the broader scheme of things. There is no justification for keeping the human rally killer on the roster just so he could backup Desi. Very glad Rizzo recognized that. True and like the way you called it "human rally killer". I just don't know if Rizzo recognized it. I'm not getting the answers because my source doesn't know who made the decision if it was Davey, Rizzo or Ted Lerner or the voice of reason from NI.

  148. MicheleS - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:39 AM

    SJM. I missed you tonight. Will you be there on Saturday?

  149. jeffwx - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:39 AM

    Wonk, I'm not sure Parnell had much control of his control

  150. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:40 AM

    Brewers with a walkoff.

  151. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:42 AM

    David, 1 borderline strike.

  152. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:44 AM

    So statistically, the chances of getting outs are much better.That's true if the two batters are equal, but if the one you're walking is significantly worse, it's not. Here is the link again. The chances of scoring a single run with the bases loaded and none out are 85.6% The chances of scoring a run with 2nd and 3rd and one out are 67.4%. The key thing here is that you don't just have to get one out to get out of the inning, you have to get three outs. So if you have a really good chance of getting the batter who is up with 2nd and 3rd and none out, you pitch to him. That was the case here in my opinion.

  153. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:44 AM

    Puig showing his 5 tools. This kid is a stud.

  154. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:47 AM

    Section 222, save your energy. Throw it all out the window. Collins made the absolute right move in a tie game walkoff situation with less than 2 outs.

  155. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:50 AM

    Don't fool yourself. Lombo doesn't see himself as a utility guy. He wants to play every day just like every single major league player. And he's going to fight as hard as he can to prove his worth to Davey now that he's going to get a real shot. But Rendon has a bat that can really make a difference. We'll see how it plays out, but I'll bet Davey will play them both over the next several weeks — see if Lombo gets and stays hot, see if Rendon is decent defensively and continues his raking ways from Harrisburg. Then he'll make a decision. Neither of them is guaranteed a job, which is the way it should be. To become the starter you need to produce.

  156. A DC Wonk - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:54 AM

    Sec 222 — I'm not sure that table is valid for a walk-off situation. Really. For example: sometimes when there is a runner on third, the infield is back, because the team in the field is up by a number of runs and they take the out.Furthermore, while the table shows that chances are reduced if an out is made, that's true in every situation — in the meantime, however, a run might score during that out, and that's not reflected in the table either.So, what you really need is a separate table that has data only from walk-off situations.

  157. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:55 AM

    Ghost, I can see I won't convince you, but you haven't convinced me either, and I'm surprised you're so adamant. So I'm going to try once more: You say you'd walk Espi in that situation. How about a pitcher with a batting average of .000 who has to bat in the bottom of the 17th inning? You're going to walk him to set up a force play at home and bring up the leadoff batter? Assuming you answer no to that question, then you have to admit that the decision depends on the batter. You think the Shark is showing life. I think he was an automatic out tonight and would have gone down if they hadn't put him on. And if he does, the Mets' chances of surviving the inning go up significantly.

  158. Eric - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:55 AM

    "He wants to play every day just like every single major league player."Well, he kinda is lately… ;)

  159. A DC Wonk - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:57 AM

    Off topic question — we have tix for Thursday's game.Do we know yet who's pitching for the Nats on Thursday?

  160. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:57 AM

    Well written by Jayson Stark. Kind of how I feel in real proof and not taking the word of Tony Bosch.http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9343279/tony-bosch-cooperation-biogenesis-investigation-lead-unprecedented-round-suspensions-mlb

  161. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:58 AM

    Wonk, I believe Thursday will be Karns.

  162. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:59 AM

    Wonk, if you read the accompanying text, it discusses walk off situations. In fact, that's what the table is all about. The chances of scoring a single run, which is all that is needed for a walk off are much better with the bases loaded and none out than they are with second and third and one out. To assume that in every situation the correct move is to set up a force at home is just wrong.

  163. David Proctor - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:00 AM

    Thursday will be Gio. Karns is set for Friday.

  164. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:00 AM

    Sec222, I think the pitcher draws a tough decision and open for debate. Parnell had lost control and that has to factor into it. I don't think he was striking out anyone and Lombo was making me nervous. This is one from the baseball Gods.

  165. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:01 AM

    I think Gio is starting on Thursday. Karns started on Sunday.

  166. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:01 AM

    Matt Holliday just struck out and shattered his bat on homeplate. Will they show that 1,000 times like Bryce Harper when he did it?

  167. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:02 AM

    David P, I owe you a drink. Just make sure you attribute those tweets. ;-)

  168. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:02 AM

    Section222, you are correct, it is Gio Thursday and Karns Friday.

  169. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:04 AM

    David Proctor is correct also!

  170. A DC Wonk - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:05 AM

    Gio Thursday? Awesome.OK, so now I need the link for "NIDO" — that's the same spreadsheet as where we put our section numbers, right?I'm bringing Mrs. Wonk, the in-laws, and the infamous Wonkling (and two of her friends). Section 314.

  171. Eric - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:06 AM

    Re walking Bernie, the thing is, with a man on third almost any ball out of the infield is a guaranteed run, regardless of the situation behind him.With a man on second and third and no outs, a hit to the infield is either a run or a man left in scoring position, quite possibly one at third, at best, now with one out. Now, if you load the bases the threat of a run scored on a hit beyond the outfield is unchanged; however, the threat of a run on an infield hit us dramatically reduced, the shot at a DP is increased dramatically, and the chances of having another chance for a force play on the next at bat are up.In short, the ball in the outfield scenario can't be neutralized, but the back in the infield situation changes dramatically in a number of positive ways.

  172. Nats 128 - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM

    Just got home from celebrating. Eric, can you translate into English what you are saying.Are you saying Terry Collins made the right or wrong desision.

  173. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:12 AM

    Here's the NIDO linkWonk, I was debating whether to go on Thursday but now that I know you and the Wonkling will be there, in my section no less (314), I'll definitely have to be there. I've still got a couple of extras if any Insiders are interested.

  174. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:13 AM

    Do you all remember Austin Kearns was in rightfield and the bases were loaded and he got a short hop and threw home in a situation like this and got a 9-2 forceout. Something you don't see but once in almost never.

  175. Eric - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:14 AM

    I think it would be interesting to consider a couple of stats re: bases loaded vs. man on second and third:First, what are the odds of getting an out on a ball in play in each scenario? I'm being they're higher with bars loaded.Second, what are the chances of getting a run home on a ball in play in each scenario?. I'm being they're close to identical.

  176. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:14 AM

    128, Eric is saying Collins made the right decision. Agrees with Ghost. So far I'm kind of alone in saying it was the wrong decision, or at least saying it out loud, although sjm308's initial reaction at the park when the Shark was walked was "thank you."

  177. Eric - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:16 AM

    "Eric, can you translate into English what you are saying."Porque? No entiendes Espanol?

  178. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:17 AM

    I agree with SJM since I knew Lombo was the best person for that situation. Parnell couldn't execute. You can't pitch high in the zone. You have to work for the K as your 1st choice and a groundball for a doubleplay as the bonus.

  179. A DC Wonk - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:18 AM

    222 wrote:Wonk, I was debating whether to go on Thursday but now that I know you and the Wonkling will be there, in my section no less (314), I'll definitely have to be there.Cool! Wonkling will start off in our section — but I'm sure she and her friends will wander off looking for a 100-level seat in the second half of the game ;-)We have seven seats in row G.

  180. Nats 128 - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:19 AM

    Eric, good one and I deserved that. I liked your outfield explanation and agree.I have to see this Kearns play. Who has video on that.

  181. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:19 AM

    I'm in Row D. We'll definitely connect at some point.

  182. David Proctor - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:20 AM

    Yasiel Puig just hit another homer…

  183. Eric - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:24 AM

    222, don't get me wrong, I liked having three outs with bases loaded, but the fact is the chances of scoring on a hit to the outfield are unchanged with a man on this regardless of what's happening behind him. In contrast, the chances of getting an out on an infield hit go way up with the bases loaded vs. man on third with open bases behind him.In the bottom of the 9th with the game tied I can see why definitively maximizing the chances of getting an out (loading the bases) is safer than playing the odds of getting the Shark out in a way that doesn't push across a run.

  184. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:25 AM

    I'm just glad we can have discussions without all the nasty name calling or telling people they are wrong 100% although I probably shouldn't have Sheesh'd.Section222, is a good guy. I've had the Manager strategy discussions on other situations and they are tough. This one is standard SOP.It all would have been for naught if Kobernus pinch ran and scored on Desi's double. The reason I think you send him is because worse case Desi scampers to 3rd if there was a play at home. With Adam running it was smart to hold him as Adam LaRoche as slow as he is made it close but he would have been out! ;)

  185. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:26 AM

    128, even though you disagree with me, ask and you shall receive. Here's the Kearns play. From May 2009, the runner was … wait for it… Felipe Lopez, playing for the D-Backs, and the catcher was Jesus Flores, not long before his injury I think. Ghost, I salute your memory. Amazing.

  186. A DC Wonk - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:26 AM

    Get this — Parnell after the game said that he wasn't executing his pitches like he needed to because the Nats are a good hitting team. (cough cough).Well, maybe compared to the Mets. Going into the game, the Nats were 13th in the NL, hitting a miserable .229 — the Mets were last, hitting .227. But even with all that, the Mets score a full half-run per game more than the Nats.Nats are also last in OBP, 2d to last in SLGBut we sorta swapped out Espi for Werth, and hopefully Rendon will get going, and come June 11, Harper, and, and, and . . . In the meantime, good thing we have such a good starting rotation!

  187. Eric - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:28 AM

    Sorry about all the typos y'all… Swypeing on my tablet is better than pecking at my phone, but still an inexact science ;)

  188. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:29 AM

    Managers will sometimes bring in a 5th infielder if you have a sinker, changeup, slider pitcher who is pitching well.Parnell was looking like Henry. He was toast. Lombo could've drawn a walk but this was more exciting. Amazing bat control. Simply amazing. Lombo graduated to a new level. Early in the year he K'd on 3 straight pitches and his last week he's become Mr. Sac Fly.

  189. A DC Wonk - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:30 AM

    Here's the Kearns play….Wow — how did you find that so fast?!I'm just glad we can have discussions without all the nasty name calling or telling people they are wrong 100%….Yes, indeed!!!

  190. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:30 AM

    Good one Wonk and Parnell was right about one thing, he wasn't executing his pitches.

  191. A DC Wonk - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:33 AM

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  192. A DC Wonk - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:34 AM

    Lombo could've drawn a walk but this was more exciting. Amazing bat control.Indeed — he was doing a Span/Werth imitation with all those fouls.Earlier on, I was not having a good feeling during that at bat. Lombo looked a bit overpowered. But since Parnell kept pumping fastballs, Lombo was getting his timing down all while he kept fouling them off.A gritty at bat from a gritty player.(Who's still only age 24, btw)

  193. Caps Fan - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:34 AM

    "Just reading through the comments here. Ghost, you're dead wrong on the IBB to Bernadina. It might be baseball 101, but it's not baseball by the numbers. Check out this table."In the bottom of the ninth, score tied, men on second and third with no out, your only hope is to get strikeouts, ground outs or pop outs to the infield. A fly ball to the outfield beats you. Even a ground ball can beat you if it's hit to the right side, since there's no force at home. There's also less possibility of a double play after getting the out at home if first base is open. So you can throw all your numbers and tables out the window. Walking a batter to load the bases and set up the force at home is the only move that makes sense there. Unless the batter is Espinosa and you know you have a guaranteed K. Then you strike him out and walk the next guy.

  194. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:35 AM

    Section222, thanks for that. That was one of the greatest plays in Nats history. I owe you a drink for that.Can you do me another favor, can you find my telling P**** that Kroll could be called up directly from AA? I can't find it. Thanks in advance.

  195. Nats 128 - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:38 AM

    222, great stuff. At first I thought the Ghost lost his mind. Never seen anything like that before. 4 years ago! Good memory for a old man!

  196. DWS - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:38 AM

    Never know Scutaro. A gritty at bat….

  197. Eric - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:39 AM

    "Lombo could've drawn a walk but this was more exciting. Amazing bat control. Simply amazing. Lombo graduated to a new level. Early in the year he K'd on 3 straight pitches and his last week he's become Mr. Sac Fly."I posted in the last thread that it was amazing to see Lombo's demeanor shift as the at bat unfolded. Once it hit 1-2 I said to the TV, "Lombo, just settle down." My wife was like, "yeah, he looks very tense."1 or 2 pitches later, he flipped the switch. He was in the zone just making sure to put the ball in play, even if foul. He was so locked in he almost seemed surprised that the sac fly wasn't just fouled off.It was great to watch!

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  199. Section 222 - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:40 AM

    Ditto on having a civil disagreement Ghost. Refreshing.sjm and I had the same reaction at the game — that Collins was helping us by walking a virtually sure out. I was surprised to see my instinct confirmed by the numbers. A whole year of data went into that table, and the drop in the likelihood of a run scoring is significant if you can get that first out. The unknown variable is the likelihood of getting the batter out if you pitch to him instead of holding up four fingers. Based on what I saw from the Shark tonight, I was pretty sure the likelihood was very high. If you K the Shark, you can walk Lombo to set up an inning ending DP. But who knows, the Shark might have laid down a perfect suicide squeeze. I totally don't get why they Davey didn't pinch run for ALR. Ty-Mo was still on the bench and could have played 1B if the game went into extras. By the way, I haven't talked to a manager since LIttle League, so maybe that's why I have no problem questioning conventional wisdom. But SOP isn't always right. Like saving your closer in extra innings in a must win game against the team you're chasing for a save that never materializes because a shaky, wild, and now DFA'd reliever lost the game.

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NL EAST STANDINGS

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ATLANTA 69 64 6.5
MIAMI 65 66 9.5
NEW YORK 62 71 13.5
PHILADELPHIA 61 72 14.5
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