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At last, some positive surprises

Jun 13, 2013, 10:00 AM EDT

Associated Press

Rarely does a team enjoy a successful season receiving contributions only from those players who were expected all along to do it.

Look no further than the 2012 Nationals, who won 98 games not only behind the star power of Stephen Strasburg, Gio Gonzalez, Ryan Zimmerman and Jordan Zimmermann but also thanks to the unlikely performances of rookies Tyler Moore, Steve Lombardozzi and — yes — Bryce Harper. None of those players was being counted on to play a major role when that season began. All wound up becoming critical to an NL East title.

Why has the 2013 season been such a disappointment for the Nationals to date? Obviously, injuries to the likes of Harper, Strasburg, Jayson Werth, Wilson Ramos and others has been significant. But so has the utter lack of contributions from players who weren't expected to contribute in the first place.

That's what made last night's 5-1 victory in Colorado feel like more than a random Wednesday night victory at Coors Field. It wasn'tRead more »

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  1. baseballswami - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    Now this is what I love waking up to! The Nats are walking, scoring those base runners , and holding a lead. In Coors, without home runs or Bryce. I would like to see Bryce become a welcome addition to a team that knows it can play without him if they need to. It will take something off of his shoulders if he does not feel that he has to save them. Love the adjustments that have been made!

  2. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    I had the weirdest dream last night. I dreamed that a journeyman retread came out of nowhere to hold the Rocks to 2 hits in Coors Field, and that the Nats offense was so stunned it scored 5 runs to win the game in a laugher.Must have been something I ate.

  3. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    "Even so, the idea that Rendon would become a significant contributor to the Nationals this season still seemed remote…"Says who? Mark, read your own thread sometime. There were many others here who made that call, in addition to yours truly. It was a no-brainer, especially considering the alternative, the bearded K machine from Outer Mendozia.I wonder how many others here have wondered what might have been, had the Nats just kept Rendon in the bigs after Zim returned from the DL and had sent Danny down, instead of Anthony, when it could have made a big difference in the first third of the Nats' season.Is there anyone left who doesn't yet understand what a unique talent Rizzo had left languishing in the minors while his team was hitting in the .220s?

  4. baseballswami - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:32 AM

    HaHa!! Or drank!! I watched the replay on Ryan's very long double. How did that not go out? The guys who tangled up out there just about knocked it out and may well have knocked it back in. Crazy. So do we have Ross #1 and Ross #2 or old Ross and young Ross or big Ross and skinny Ross ? Need to define that. I am predicting that Haren's back will act up or he will HRod his hand in a door and go on the DL now. That was just wildly entertaining.

  5. baseballswami - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    And the dude( big Ross) just mingles in the dugout chatting it up during the hitting half of the inning! Looked like he was playing a pickup game in the yard.

  6. Drew - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    Henry Rodriguez is DFA'D and Kroll and Abad shine.Danny Espinosa leaves and Rendon excels.Chris Young falters and Karns fails to impress, but Ross O. comes up big.Good on Rizzo for stocking value on the farm. Wednesday reminded me of the quote attributed to Churchill:"In the long run, Americans will always do the right thing — after exploring all the other alternatives."

  7. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    "I am predicting that Haren's back will act up or he will HRod his hand in a door and go on the DL now."Didn't you predict that they would win last night? Or were you just humoring the ever-faithful Lady Nats who never give up hope, regardless?Either way Swami, I would not belittle the agony of chronic hangnail syndrome. It can happen any time, in any place, to any Nat on the staff. We saw what it can do an apparently healthy, strong young man, just last year. Far more debilitating that torn rotator cuffs, or broken wrists, hangnail syndrome can recur, without warning, in ways that can be disabling for weeks on end. You can look it up.

  8. D'Gourds - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    I am so sick of hearing about the imminent turnaround after a single win, but……last night's win did feel different. I truly hope it knocks Haren to become the world's most expensive long reliever and Espinosa to a long stay a AAAA. People keep blaming injuries for the Nats' awful play, but they weren't very good even with their starters healthy. The only big loss to injury has been Harper. The biggest problem for the Nats has been their lack of production from their bench/replacements. Last night, while encouraging, was one night. Let's hope we can continue with some more production from Rendon, Ohlendorf, Kobernus, Krol and also hope that Bernadina, Tracy and Lombo wake the hell up. Ive given up on Haren and Espi.

  9. baseballswami - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    I actually did not predict the win, but with the deck totally stacked against us, the reverse lock was bound to be in effect. It just looked too big and fat and juicy for the Rockies with the spot starter and the 3 players who were in Syracuse very recently. Well played, Nats. We have gone from the media darlings and favorites to win it all , to the surprise upstart winners against Colorado. Wow.

  10. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    "And the dude( big Ross) just mingles in the dugout chatting it up during the hitting half of the inning!"They had a shot of him before the game, too, smiling that big grin and shaking everyone's hand that he could reach before he even took the mound. I don't know if he can keep it up, but I sure hope so. He would be good for the bench and the club house, as well.After Maya, Karns, and Haren, I figured there was no way that option no. 4 would be any better. So glad when I am proven wrong about these things. If not a 5th starter, the Nats have certainly found their "go to" replacement guy if anyone else goes on the DL, or if Haren continues to fail.Rizzo does it, again, stacking the arms in the minors and giving them the chance to prove him right, when the time came. Well, one out of four isn't great, but you only need one.

  11. baseballswami - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    Especially these cheap guys who want to prove something. Their experience is valuable. What they don't have left in skill, they make up for in smarts. As for Krol and Abad? Let's not forget Rizzo's scouting background. HRod and Duke had their chance and did not work out. These guys are looking good- talk about a nice surprise!

  12. MurrayTheRed - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Mark – What is the latest on Danny Espinosa? We haven't heard much of anything. Did he agree to have any surgery – or is he still going to "Tuff-it-out" and do rehab, and thereby end his career.

  13. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    "Confident and relaxed in the wake of his first, brief stint in the majors, Rendon is now 9-for-21 with four doubles and four RBI in six games since his latest promotion."That can be updated to 11 for 25, with five doubles and five RBIs in seven games since his return, after last night. It's like he is still playing in AA. Take away that 1 for 15 start from his first trip to the bigs, and the kid has been the best hitter on the team, ever since, by a wide, wide margin. All he does is square the ball up, time and time again. Line drives to LF, to CF, to RF. Line drives.He will lead the Nats in hits, BA, doubles, and OBP next year. It will be between Rendon and Harper as to who wins the Nats OPS title. That would be a fun contest for them and for Nats fans to watch. I would take Rendon in that matchup. Rendon and Harper will carry the Nats' offense, once they get together on the field, and stay healthy. There will be 5 teams who will forever regret that they did not select Anthony Rendon when they had the chance. Give Rizzo credit for taking advantage of the opportunity when those other 5 guys handed it to him.

  14. baseballswami - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    Interesting thing about Espi– Davey said Danny would resume baseball activities today by playing 3 innings in Syracuse. ( his new home) Danny said he has already resumed baseball activities and is making a " rehab start" today. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. And can we just keep Eck far, far away from Rendon? Please? Don't ruin him.

  15. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    Olhm…the right-handed Warren Spahn…Only 300-plus victories to go.

  16. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    "What they don't have left in skill, they make up for in smarts."One of the hallmarks of Rizzo's approach to building the team. I see that in Kobernus, too. Certainly Werth, RZ, Suzuki, ALR, Harper, et. al.

  17. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    "Olhm…the right-handed Warren Spahn…"Eerie to watch, for anyone who saw Spahn pitch. Ross doesn't have Spahn's high leg kick, but his windup is the mirror image.

  18. NCNatsie - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    USA Today's website has an interesting piece on Ohlendorf, complete with tape comparing his "new" delivery to his old way, and with the likes of Walter Johnson, Whitey Ford and others.http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/06/nationals-pitcher-unveils-crazy-delivery/

  19. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Coming late with this here…One last comment/question regarding Zimm's "lollygagging."The point was made that Kobernus couldn't go too far because if Zimm's fly had been caught, he (Kobernus) would have had to retreat back to first, and with Zimmerman in the basepaths, he would have had to follow Z back to first to avoid passing Z and being called out automatically.But is that true? Say Kobernus had been ten feet past second base when the ball was caught, and Zimm right behind him. Does the rulebook say Z would have had to retrace all the way back to first? Couldn't he simply have trotted back to the dugout taking a path between the pitcher's mound and first base (okay, the Nats dugout is on the third base side, but whatever…).In short, what does Zimmerman have to do on the basepaths once he's been called out?

  20. Muddy - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    In this morning's WaPo there's mention of Espi starting his rehab assignment, increasing his playing time two innings at a time. The notion that Espi is coming back any time soon is troubling. I hope the truth is more like Espi in AAA until he shows he can at least hit AAA pitching. There's no place for him on the Nats unless Rendon goes to AAA, which would be crazy. Espi isn't a "bench player." His ego is WAY too big for that.

  21. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Hopefully Warren Spahn more likely Casey Cox

  22. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Laddie Blah Blah said…"Olhm…the right-handed Warren Spahn…"Check out this video of Whitey Ford.

  23. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Last night I mentioned he reminded me of the last game I saw Walter Johnson pitch.

  24. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    When Strasburg comes up Davis to Syracuse?

  25. MicheleS - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    Nice win last night.. Good on Ross O for coming up big? Could he be this year's Lannan? Coming up big when we need it. That was really good, do like that the baby Nats are coming up big (not that Ross O is a baby). Good on Kobernus showing he has some value.

  26. baseballswami - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Muddy- I think the organization and Danny are seeing this situation differently. They cannot option him until he is off the DL- I think that is their plan. So they see it as his new home, he sees it as a rehab assignment. That is just my opinion. We will have to wait and see. But Rizzo said he would need time to find his swing. I think rehab assignments can be quite long. Will they call it that so he can save face? Funny how no one is worrying about Tyler's ego, especially not Tyler. They just cannot bring him back until he can show that he can be better than Rendon .

  27. baseballswami - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    MNF– I believe it might be Cedeno- not really being used.

  28. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Manassas Nats' Fan said… Last night I mentioned he reminded me of the last game I saw Walter Johnson pitch.He reminded me of the last game I saw Grover Cleveland Alexander pitch.

  29. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Manassas Nats' Fan said… Last night I mentioned he reminded me of the last game I saw Walter Johnson pitch.He reminded me of the last game I saw Christy Mathewson pitch.

  30. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Manassas Nats' Fan said… Last night I mentioned he reminded me of the last game I saw Walter Johnson pitch.He reminded me of the last game I saw Cy Young pitch.

  31. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Once Zim has been called out, he is no longer a baserunner. How tough is that?

  32. Gonat - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Laddie Blah Blah said… "Even so, the idea that Rendon would become a significant contributor to the Nationals this season still seemed remote…"Says who? Mark, read your own thread sometime. There were many others here who made that call, in addition to yours truly. It was a no-brainer, especially considering the alternative, the bearded K machine from Outer Mendozia.I wonder how many others here have wondered what might have been, had the Nats just kept Rendon in the bigs after Zim returned from the DL and had sent Danny down, instead of Anthony, when it could have made a big difference in the first third of the Nats' season.Is there anyone left who doesn't yet understand what a unique talent Rizzo had left languishing in the minors while his team was hitting in the .220s? June 13, 2013 6:28 AM _________________________________You are 100% correct. Of course any time you or one of the few others suggested it, there was that one person who kept saying there was no way.I always liked the quotes that "you always find a position for the a guy who can hit" and "go with the hot bat in the short term". That's how it works and the worst case situation you send him back down if he doesn't produce but the bar was set so low when the guy we BEGGED Rizzo to replace him with was a 2nd baseman hitting around .150

  33. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    NJ – that's kinda what I thought, which would mean that the argument that Zimm couldn't get right behind Kobernus is faulty.Unless I'm missing something.

  34. NCNatsie - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Ever see that Abner Doubleday guy, Candide? He was pretty good until he tore up his knee in the Ft. Sumpter thing.

  35. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    You're not missing anything, Candide. I suppose Zim could have somehow created an interference situation had the ball been caught and somehow got tangled in the throw from CF but that's about it.

  36. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    Actually, Doubleday is buried in Arlington Cemetary.

  37. BigCat - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    I like Kobernus. A scrapper. Fast. He can steal some bases for you also. I hope he sticks around. I have seen enough of Espi

  38. Gonat - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Laddie Blah Blah, we talk about intangibles all the time and how when a certain player is slumping he can put the player hitting in front of him in a slump. That seems to be what happened with Ian Desmond. Is Desi now seeing better pitches having Rendon batting behind him or just feeling more confident.

  39. Theophilus T. S. - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    For all the people who swooned over Lannan's escape acts last season, Ohlender was better last night than Lannan in any game in 2012. I suspect the function motion had much to do with it but it will be quite a while before hitters have enough exposure to it to figure it out. Cedeno is the first reliever to go back down, followed by Davis. I believe there is a rule — Ghost or JD will know — that an injury call-up lasting less than 20 days doesn't count for option purposes. So the Nats have that long to look at Ohlendorf before they risk losing him by sending him back down. [I think.]I suppose Stammen could be the long reliever in games Johnson thinks he might win, and Ohlendor in games when Johnson wants to take a headache powder and go sit in his office with the lights off.

  40. sjm308 - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    There is no way I am reading over 480 comments on the game thread so if this is repeated somewhere earlier I apologize.WHOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!OK – only one game but I loved several things.1.Obviously, having Warren/Whitey/Walter etc make his first start and do so well. To hold these guys like he did was just a joy to watch. I loved the shots in the dugout that were mentioned earlier. He was honestly happy to be here and it showed (just like Rendon looks happy to be at the plate each and every time).2. Davey bringing Krol into this situation shows me that he and Abad are here to stay and that Davey can now manage his pen similar to last year.3. It's early but I like what Kobernus brings which is speed, the ability to play infield and outfield, speed, and he draws walks, oh did I mention his speed.4. Agree with Laddie and others that Espinoza certainly can't just be given his starting job back no matter how well he does in AAA. Rendon can lose the job for sure by going into a deep slump but I just don't see it happening. At best, Rendon keeps producing until Bryce returns and then it really should get interesting. At worst, we bring Danny up as another bench/utility player. Really am wondering how long Tracy hangs on. Great guy, good for the clubhouse but Davey has to see that the young guys are helping and he is not.Go Nats! Win your second series in a row!!!!

  41. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    NCNatsie said… Ever see that Abner Doubleday guy, Candide? He was pretty good until he tore up his knee in the Ft. Sumpter thing.I remember the last time I saw him pitch. They claimed his fastball topped 100 mph, but the radar guns never registered anything above 97 (of course, in those days, radar wasn't nearly as advanced as today). His problem was he thought he had a good curve, and insisted on experimenting with it in crucial situations, always with disastrous results. John McGraw – (I remember seeing him the last game he managed) finally got fed up and benched him. He was released at the end of the season and pitched in the low minors for a couple of years, most memorably with the Iola Gasbags of the Missouri Valley League, where he once struck out 11 batters in a row during a 19-inning game that was eventually ruled a 1-1 tie, called on account of darkness.He could have been a great one. Ended up in the Union Army during the Late Unpleasantness.

  42. JaneB - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Poor Danny. He needs an intervention so he can get fixed up and start again later. Easier on his body, eventually easier on his ego and a faster way tk get back to the Danny who was killer when he first came up.

  43. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    Sjm308……re: the in game threads. I've pretty much stopped even reading them, much less posting as I realized that Swift Eagle was right. The more one reads, the more one loses baseball intelligence.

  44. A DC Wonk - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    People keep blaming injuries for the Nats' awful play, but they weren't very good even with their starters healthy.How can you tell? The Nats only played something like 8 (or was it 6) games all year with their projected starting lineup coming out of spring training (meaning: a lineup that included Werth, RZim, Harper, Ramos)

  45. Gonat - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    NatsJack, the in-game thread was good with no SWM with his negativity and the other trolls that only show up when the team loses.Peric showed up last night at 12:22AM for a quick note "Ho hum right again."

  46. Gonat - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    The Royals are looking better since they got their new batting Coach. Some guy named George Brett.

  47. sjm308 - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Agreed NatsJack and Candide – you are brilliant!OK, time on my hands this morning.Looked at a potential 25 man roster and while 21 or 22 positions are pretty much locks, there are some situations that puzzle me.Right now LaRoche is playing pretty much every day. I am ok with that but when I release Tracy and send Marrero down I do not have a backup for Adam, so I guess I have to keep one or hope that Moore finds his swing soon. Here are my other 24.Span-Werth-Harper-Zimm-LaRoche-Desmond-Rendon-SuzukiZimmnn-SS-Gio-Ross D- Haren(I hate this but I just think they will keep him, it's too early to go with Ross O on just one start)Soriano-Clip-Krol-Storen-Abad-Stammen-Ross O.Solano-Lombo-Kobernus-Bernadina- Marrero/TracyWaiting to hear what sounder minds thinkGo Nats!!

  48. Gonat - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    Just realized the Rockies DFA'd Eric Young before last nights game.

  49. baseballswami - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    Jane B- I don't feel sorry for Danny anymore because I think he has gotten way more attention and time than anyone else would have. He needs to get real if he wants things to get better. NatsJack — game threads have improved recently and I think you know why. I love the humor that some of the posters add and I am usually watching alone so it's fun to have people to share with. We are getting new people from the WaPo because of the new pay wall. Too soon to tell how that will go, but game threads posts are up around 400 or more. I hate the load more message :(. But the conversations have been entertaining and civil.

  50. A DC Wonk - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    NCNatsie said… USA Today's website has an interesting piece on Ohlendorf, complete with tape comparing his "new" delivery to his old way, and with the likes of Walter Johnson, Whitey Ford and others. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/06/nationals-pitcher-unveils-crazy-delivery/Holy Moly — am I seeing things?Did Walter Johnson throw sidearm?!?!? Really?!? I had no idea! One of the hardest throwers in the first century of baseball?!?

  51. Muddy - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    Wow, thread critics. The thread is supposed to be the place where people have fun giving their view of stuff. Hey, don't read 'em if don't want to but knock off superior "loss of intelligence" stuff. It says a lot about about you than the comments.

  52. blovy8 - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    I think once Zim is out it doesn't matter where he is as long as he doesn't interfere with the action under 7.09(d) "It is interference by a batter or a runner when — (d) Any batter or runner who has just been put out hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner. Such runner shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate" Further interpretation is that if the batter or a runner continues to advance after he has been put out, he shall not by that act alone be considered as confusing, hindering or impeding the fielders.Now if he passes Kobernus, he's out, but he would be already in the event they catch the ball. If they don't, he's out by rule 7.08(h)7.08Any runner is out when — (h) He passes a preceding runner before such runner is out

  53. Gonat - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    sjm, maybe Marrero at 1st today to give ALR a day off? Werth with a tough 0-5 yesterday and seemed to be running at 3/4 speed. Might be a good day to sit Jayson for a day off and get Bernadina in RF and Kobernus in LF.I haven't seen enough of Kobernus to decide what he is but he sure might turn out to be an upgrade over Lombardozzi.

  54. A DC Wonk - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    Gonat said… NatsJack, the in-game thread was good with no SWM with his negativity and the other trolls that only show up when the team loses.Yeah, unfortunately, the only thing that keeps the trolls out is the Nats taking the first lead of the game and keeping it.(But, even so, when it was scoreless, Davey was blamed for a stupid lineup).

  55. Joe Seamhead - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    NatsJack in Florida said…Sjm308……re: the in game threads. I've pretty much stopped even reading them, much less posting as I realized that Swift Eagle was right. The more one reads, the more one loses baseball intelligence.June 13, 2013 8:12 AM————————Guilty as charged!

  56. Faraz Shaikh - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    WOW candide, you have seen some great pitchers.

  57. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    baseballswami said…I hate the load more message :(. Amen that – especially on my Android phone. Using Dolphin as my browser – the first time I hit "Load More Comments," it dutifully loads more, but not all of them if there's a bucketload. And then that's the end of the "Load More Comments" buttons, so I can't read to the end of the comments, which officially makes my life not worth living.

  58. Gonat - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    sjm308 said…Zimmnn-SS-Gio-Ross D- Haren(I hate this but I just think they will keep him, it's too early to go with Ross O on just one start)Soriano-Clip-Krol-Storen-Abad-Stammen-Ross O.__________________________________We know what Haren is and you are right we only saw Ohlendorf for 1 start. Why not move Haren to the BP and give Ross O another start.

  59. A DC Wonk - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    I've been dreading adding onto the RZ mini-thread, but . . . my two cents:Look, just about every player in baseball that I've seen, when they hit a tremendous HR shot, takes it easy coming out of the batters box. We see that all the time, on the Nats, all the teams.In this case RZ hit a tremendous shot, at Coors field, and mistakenly thought it was a HR. (It's 420' to that part of the outfield). I don't blame him for thinking that. And, the key part: since he has a seven-year track record of never being a lollygagger, I don't think criticism of him on that play should go much beyond "whoops, you missed that one RZ".RZ, like every other baseball player, like every other human, isn't perfect. He's not lazy or a show off, he simply erred in his thinking that it was an obvious HR.Because, if he hit it to just about any other part of the park, it would have been a HR, and no one would have criticized him, right?

  60. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Faraz Shaikh said… WOW candide, you have seen some great pitchers.Did I ever tell you about the last time I saw Sydd Finch pitch?

  61. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Thanks, Blovy8.Which means there really wasn't any good reason for Zimm to not be breathing down Kobernus's back. If the ball isn't caught, Z ends up at third, or maybe even an inside-the-park HR. If the ball IS caught, Z steps out of the basepaths and lets Kobernus retreat to first unimpeded.Lollygagging!

  62. blovy8 - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    Granted, he's not hitting this year, but the bench balance would be off without Tracy since the Nats don't really have any lefty to hit homers off the bench. How important that really is, I dunno. It's probably not any more important than going two months with Duke as your only lefty in the bullpen. But Espinosa stinking took away another mostly lefty bat. That's a net gain offensively, but they are still going to want some LH pop on the bench for those hard throwing RH setup and closers if at all possible. Bernadina doesn't really power up much anymore. The case can be made for Brown, but can he hit coming off the bench? There are going to be excuses about whether he could adjust to that role. Marrero's power spike is pretty recent and he's right handed, so I'm guessing it would be more likely for the FO to give Tracy more time to regain something than the other options right now. I think he gets more time than Stairs did.

  63. blovy8 - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    Yeah, why wasn't Zim giving Kobernus a flat tire! I was totally wrong. Sheesh, the crap people get upset about…

  64. blovy8 - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    I liked the comparison Ray Knight made with Ohlendorf to Gaylord Perry last night, but that I'm glad he left out all the fidgets Perry had before he got to the windup to be able to get the vaseline.

  65. Caps Fan - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    "Is there anyone left who doesn't yet understand what a unique talent Rizzo had left languishing in the minors while his team was hitting in the .220s?"Rendon wasn't "languishing in the minors." He only played in 79 minor league games total before he was called up the second time. Contrast that with the other guy on an accelerated path, Bryce Harper, who played 130 minor league games before he came up to stay. And based on the improvement in Rendon's play after his latest callup, it's pretty clear he wasn't quite ready the first time he came up to replace Zimmerman.

  66. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Candide, the Boat Mini browser, or Chrome, are easier in that regard, tho both have other drawbacks.

  67. baseballswami - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    I am still predicting a DL stint for Haren as a way of manipulating the rotation , maybe to get the big O another start. Nats have been very creative in the past with their DL use. Watching Haren run, I am pretty sure something hurts.

  68. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    I'll never forget the last time I saw Casey pitch for the Hoboken Zephyrs.

  69. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    "Even so, the idea that Rendon would become a significant contributor to the Nationals this season still seemed remote…"Says who? Mark, read your own thread sometime. There were many others here who made that call, in addition to yours truly. In March? That's not how I remember it.

  70. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Wow, thread critics. The thread is supposed to be the place where people have fun giving their view of stuff. Hey, don't read 'em if don't want to but knock off superior "loss of intelligence" stuff. It says a lot about about you than the comments.Maybe, but have you read some of those comments? Criminy. They aren't even wrong.

  71. blovy8 - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Haren's been pitching with a hip injury for years, it's a built-in excuse.

  72. Theophilus T. S. - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    They can't give Espinosa his job back, just can't, w/ Rendon hitting .300+. My personal preference would be he spends 2-3 mos. at AAA to even out his stroke and get into a repeatable rhythm at the plate. That requires optioning him and further damaging his very fragile (for a "tough" guy) psyche. If they do bring him up, to be the all-purpose spare infielder, Lombardozzi has to go — somewhere — as Kobernus is now one of the spare OFs.I sense we may be nearing the point at which Espinosa starts complaining and burning his bridges with the team.

  73. blovy8 - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    Ah, the game hasn't been the same since you couldn't tell the pitcher whether you wanted one high or low.

  74. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM

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  75. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    Well said re: RZim's "mistake" last night, Wonk.A list of RZim's activities that stood out to me last night:-Flawless fielding at 3B, including 5 ground balls of both the ridiculous charging play variety and of the routine throw variety, which has plagued him this year.-A 1-2-3 inning in which all three outs were made by RZim, including two routine grounders with on-target throws.-An RBI double that was inches from being a HR.Only bad thing I can think to say about RZim last night is he went down looking twice. But, he also walked twice.It's confusing that RZim's watching that ball has become such a flash point, especially since it wouldn't have changed our run total that inning (2).

  76. blovy8 - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    If Espinosa got something going in AAA, at least he'd be a decent pinch hitter/bench option with his power down the stretch. That would maybe push Tracy out, and keep Marrero up, who knows?

  77. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    I also wanted to repost part of my post game comment in the light of day:"Good offense, and the potential leaks in the infield were airtight. Rendon was aggressive and on the ball on that DP attempt. Keep it up! Make me look silly for worrying ;)… and keep up the hitting!!!Zim killed all manner of feeds to first tonight. I don't think I even gasped on the last grounder to him in the 8th."I was very, very happy about both aspects of our win last night. Zim was really put through the ringer last night (considering his performance thus far) and he never faltered. Maybe Davey was right when he said RZim's shoulder wouldn't be right until June 15.

  78. Tcostant - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    baseballswami said… HaHa!! Or drank!! I watched the replay on Ryan's very long double. How did that not go out? The guys who tangled up out there just about knocked it out and may well have knocked it back in. Crazy. So do we have Ross #1 and Ross #2 or old Ross and young Ross or big Ross and skinny Ross ? Need to define that. I am predicting that Haren's back will act up or he will HRod his hand in a door and go on the DL now. That was just wildly entertaining. Me: I watched it too and I thought Zimmerman should have had a triple, if not for thinking it went and out and not running hard until he realized it didn't. Is it to much to ask, to run hard until you the ball actually go out???

  79. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    It's confusing that RZim's watching that ball has become such a flash point, especially since it wouldn't have changed our run total that inning.I think it's part of a reaction to the "lack of intensity" that lots of folks, including some on the team, have commented on. It's just the last thing folks want to see from anybody on a team that's floating around .500.

  80. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Dorothy! Dorothy! its a twister its a twister, lollooks bad outside

  81. Tcostant - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    MurrayTheRed said… Mark – What is the latest on Danny Espinosa? We haven't heard much of anything. Did he agree to have any surgery – or is he still going to "Tuff-it-out" and do rehab, and thereby end his career. Me: Shocking on the radio call, they said Espinosa is about to start a rehab stint at AAA this week. Hard to beleive…

  82. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    "looks bad outside"I'm really hoping if this is another derecho that it's far less "exciting" than the last one. One 75' oak tree hitting the kids' side of the house is enough for one lifetime, thank you very much.

  83. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    I'm pretty sure that Fowler would have had that if CarGo had stayed out of the way.

  84. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    just a fun game last night… Rendon is going to be s star… Desi and him could become one the best DP combo's in time. for all zim's batting woes, he has played well at 3rd the past week or so. I just wish this team could get on a roll batting wise.

  85. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    "It's just the last thing folks want to see from anybody on a team that's floating around .500."I guess they missed his 2 or 3 sprinting charges for the out?Oh, right, defense is an afterthought around here… ;)

  86. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    It just got really, really dark in DC about fifteen minutes ago.

  87. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Eric AGREED

  88. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    mick said… Dorothy! Dorothy! its a twister its a twister, lol looks bad outsideHere too in Alexandria (and MicheleS just tweeted that it's dark in her neck of the woods out west.If you have any files open on your desktop PCs, save them NOW before your power goes out.

  89. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    good advice Cand

  90. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Wind is just picking up here in College Park…

  91. Tcostant - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    Am I the only one who thought that Davey should have pitch hit for Ohlendor when the bases where loaded with 2 out in the 6th inning?I think you need to try to break that game open (4-0 at the time) and the next inning they were warming guys in the pen anyway ready to remove him mid-inning. Take a shot with a hitter with the bases full and you at best only get another inning from your starter…

  92. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    I guess they missed his 2 or 3 sprinting charges for the out?Oh, right, defense is an afterthought around here… ;) It's not rational, it just stands out. If Fowler catches it, no one mentions it twice. And it's not as if people think, "Well, he plays hard on defense, so he can lollygag at the plate." Not that he was–I was sure the ball was out, too, off the bat–but anything that looks like cazhing it is going to be noticed, even if it is no such thing.

  93. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    interestingly enough,over the past few weeks many of us, my sel included were asking are there players in our minors who could help Ohlendorf, Kroll, and obviously Rendon may have have answered the question. I am sold on Rendon and want to see more of Ohlendorf and Kroll. These guys may have over night fixed a lot of issues

  94. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Tcostant, Davey's reasoning was that he wanted to keep Stammen fresh for Det's start tonight, as it sounds like Det will be kept on a short leash.It was certainly a disappointing to see the inning end that way, though.

  95. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    TcostantI had that thought, but, my guess is Davey felt he had to try to get 6 out of him for the purposes of saving the bull pen for the final inniings…?

  96. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    Tcostant said… Am I the only one who thought that Davey should have pitch hit for Ohlendor when the bases where loaded with 2 out in the 6th inning?Maybe from a tactical standpoint. But from a strategic one, I think Davey likes to let his players think he has confidence in them. Helps build loyalty to the team.My armchair psychology, worth what you p[aid for it. More on that in my next comment.

  97. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    actually, Eric may be right…so my question would be is Det 100% healed?

  98. sjm308 - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Really dark in Burtonsville about 15 min. ago and now its easing off. Mick, I thought of Dorthy myself as I went to get the paper (lol).

  99. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    PS – "Davey's reasoning" in my last post came straight from the horse's mouth in the post game Q/A.

  100. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    sjm…its always the first thing to come to mind when I see storms like this brewing

  101. bowdenball - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    Sec. 3, My Sofa said…"I think it's part of a reaction to the "lack of intensity" that lots of folks, including some on the team, have commented on. It's just the last thing folks want to see from anybody on a team that's floating around .500."It's amazing the lengths people will go to because they have to find a negative on a night with very few of them.Zimmerman's double with Kobernus on first was a towering fly ball that seemed likely to either clear the fence or be caught against it. If you don't understand why Zimmerman didn't (and couldn't) run hard out of the box, check Rules 7.08(d) and (h) of the Rules of Baseball.

  102. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    "Laddie Blah Blah, we talk about intangibles all the time and how when a certain player is slumping he can put the player hitting in front of him in a slump. That seems to be what happened with Ian Desmond."We probably don't talk about that enough. It's one reason why I don't put as much faith in sabre metrics as others do. I really don't blame Danny for what happened. I blame management for putting him out there to fail, over and over again. It cannot be good for team morale to watch that happen, game after game, knowing that one guy will kill so many rallies just by walking up to the plate and striking out.Gio, Detwiler, Rendon, Werth and, perhaps, Ohlendorf will change the team dynamic with their easy-going, playful, good-natured approach to the game. It is a game, after all, and should be fun for players and fans alike. That is a lot better approach than what we saw between LA and Arizona last night.

  103. NatsLady - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    Charge your devices, people! :)

  104. Joe Seamhead - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    Aw, Eric, it was all my fault.I stuck up for Zimm, then I went out for a reach, based on a commentary from FP. I was wrong on several counts. I admit it, my shoulders are wide, I can take the beating.Now that said, I got defensive because there were comments starting on the "Who's Hot/Who's not" blog putting Zimm down, which I foolishly let get under my skin. Then after Zimm had gotten the XBH and driven in a run, he was fairly criticized for admiring what he thought was a home run. But then I got defensive when it came across that his hustle was being called into question. I was admittedly overly defensive. And I'm still an idiot in that regard, I guess, because I don't believe that he didn't get to 3rd from lack of hustle. So, I will take my time time in the stocks while getting pelted by virtual rotten fruits and vegetables.GYFNG!!!

  105. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    I'm always looking for a signal from the Baseball Gods and maybe last night was the night. The Braves lost and the Nats won on the same evening.Jorge De La Rosa looked like a lock for the W and it reminded me of July 21 2012 when Lannan was called up and it looked like desperation.How about Ross Ohlendorf! He lulled those Rockies to sleep. 6 innings of looking like Cy Young. He did to the Rockies what so many teams have done to the Nats.Get the ball to Ross Detwiler and get a winning streak started. If the Nats win today they can cut the lead to 5 1/2 games in the NL East.

  106. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    bowdenball7.08(d) and (h) of the Rules of Baseball.excellent post…there are so many rules, some of which that situation may come u once every 10 years, but the players and umpires need to remember them…7.08 deals with over running first base?

  107. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    (d) He fails to retouch his base after a fair or foul ball is legally caught before he, or his base, is tagged by a fielder. He shall not be called out for failure to retouch his base after the first following pitch, or any play or attempted play. This is an appeal play;(h) He passes a preceding runner before such runner is out;

  108. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Theophilus T. S. said… They can't give Espinosa his job back, just can't, w/ Rendon hitting .300+. My personal preference would be he spends 2-3 mos. at AAA to even out his stroke and get into a repeatable rhythm at the plate. That requires optioning him and further damaging his very fragile (for a "tough" guy) psyche.I keep hearing/reading this kind of stuff. Has anyone here ever interviewed Espinosa? Has he ever said anything that indicated he's an emotional delicate snowflake?Or is this simply projection? I.E., "Wow, if I were in Espinosa's situation, I'd be an emotional wreck. Therefore, he must be an emotional wreck. Maybe.Or maybe it just doesn't occur to him to be an emotional wreck because, as Annie Savoy once observed, " The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness." People seem to have no problem psychoanalyzing people they've never met.

  109. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    Probably a good idea to stop debating that Zimmerman double last night. Once Desi knocked him in, end of story.Let us talk about Ian Krol and Ian Desmond and Anthony Rendon. 3 dominant performances last night. Love the new nickname for K-rol and the K-rolling rolling.

  110. JaneB - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    Candide, I grew up Mets fan and read that article with zeal. I bought it hook line and sinker to the point where, when my practice husband said, Jane, look at the DATE and the AUTHOR" I refused to believe it culd be a joke. I still sometimes wonder what ever happened to Sydd, like I wonder about (poor real and also dead) Goose. Thanks for bringing up a fun memory!

  111. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    Ghost, i love it

  112. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Sydd Finch…April 1, 1985 SI cover… I actually fell for it

  113. NatsLady - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    your "practice husband"? Where do I get one of those?

  114. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    "Probably a good idea to stop debating that Zimmerman double last night. Once Desi knocked him in, end of story."Precision point.I seriously doubt RZim and Kobernus would've ended up bringing 7.08(d) and (h) into conflict, but I still don't see the big deal. If this "mistake" were his–or the team's–worst all season…

  115. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    so is the master plan in 2014 and on as follows if Espi comes back strong… Rendon at 3rd, Desi SS, Espi 2b Zim and ALR platoon at 1b with ALR eventually filling in Chad Tracy's role as the top PH…or am I way off?or does Espi become part of a major off season trade?

  116. Joe Seamhead - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Ghost Of Steve M. said…Love the new nickname for K-rol and the K-rolling rolling.June 13, 2013 9:32 AM———————-I hadn't heard that one, but love it. BTW, Kobernus needs a nickname.

  117. bowdenball - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Mick: My point was that Zimmerman was hamstrung by Kobernus. And I think most people know that, despite my snarkiness. So why the criticism? I haven't seen any footage of the runners while the ball was in the air, but my guess is that Kobernus was between first and second, closer to second, and that Zimmerman was probably just a bit behind him, enough to give him breathing room. Zimmerman didn't need to run fast out of the box to get to where he was supposed to be; he could have walked to his spot because that ball was in the air forever.If he should have made it to third and didn't, it's because either Kobernus was too conservative on his position on the basepaths (understandable given that he's a rookie and got rung up straying too far from 1st on a fly ball just a few days ago), or because Zim misjudged how fast the ball could be relayed back to the infield. Either way, it had nothing to do with laziness or lack of focus.

  118. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    bowdenball said…If you don't understand why Zimmerman didn't (and couldn't) run hard out of the box, check Rules 7.08(d) and (h) of the Rules of Baseball.7.08(h) says, "Any runner is out when…(h) He passes a preceding runner before such runner is out;" (emphasis mine)Zimmerman would have been out the instant his drive was caught. So Kobernus could have passed Zimmerman on his way back to first (being sure to touch second on the way) and he would have been just fine.Again, I still don't see any reason for Z to not be right behind K.

  119. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    Re: Krol, I don't know if he's only pitched when I've been out of town or otherwise indisposed, but I think that's the first time I actually saw him in action. Very nice. Between him and Abad our bullpen is suddenly a horse of a much more pleasing color.Desmond and Rendon were money, both in the field and at the plate.And, you left Ohlendorf off, Ghost! From whence did *this* dude come from, and can we go back for seconds?!

  120. baseballswami - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Actually we have not heard anything from Espi as he cleared his locker and left before anyone else got there. Contrast that with Tyler who faced reporters for as long ad they wanted and took responsibility and had a great attitude He talked with his teammates and vowed to get on track.. Listen, I have tried really hard to be fair, but those of us who watch everything — you see what you see. Do you need it spelled out to get an idea of what is going on? How often have the people who are around him called him hard headed? We are not making this stuff up. I truly hope he changes course and fulfills his abilities.

  121. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Laddie Blah Blah said… "Laddie Blah Blah, we talk about intangibles all the time and how when a certain player is slumping he can put the player hitting in front of him in a slump. That seems to be what happened with Ian Desmond."We probably don't talk about that enough. It's one reason why I don't put as much faith in sabre metrics as others do. I really don't blame Danny for what happened. I blame management for putting him out there to fail, over and over again. It cannot be good for team morale to watch that happen, game after game, knowing that one guy will kill so many rallies just by walking up to the plate and striking out.Gio, Detwiler, Rendon, Werth and, perhaps, Ohlendorf will change the team dynamic with their easy-going, playful, good-natured approach to the game. It is a game, after all, and should be fun for players and fans alike. That is a lot better approach than what we saw between LA and Arizona last night. June 13, 2013 9:26 AM That is the truth. It's what you can see in Bryce Harper and Jayson Werth and Ian Desmond in 3 players that do the little things that aren't calculated in WAR. Rendon is doing the same thing. Last I looked you get no WAR points for making the guy hitting in front of you better because he feels more confident.How many WAR points did Bryce Harper get for driving pitchers bonkers when he's on the basees. How many WAR points does Werth get for seeing 5+ pitches on most ABs and making a productive out?How many WAR points does Ian Desmond get for calming down his pitcher and talking strategy in the dugout or always saying the right things about his teammates.Intangibles add up and get shown in real W's in the standings and not in WAR.

  122. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Don't be too hard on yourself, Joe. There is, in fact, no way Zim could have made it to third if he had been going full out the whole way, as Bowdenball points out, because the runner in front of him had to hold up on a ball that might very well have been caught. Kobernus did well to advance on that, considering. I was just trying to answer Candide's question about why it might bother people who perceived it as admiring a ball that didn't get out.

  123. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM

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  124. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    "my guess is that Kobernus was between first and second"The replay showed him about 1/4 of the way between second and third, hopping back and forth on the base path as he watched the tie up against the wall unfold.Not sure where Zim was.

  125. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Candide-The first part of this video shows how closely Ohlendorf's windup resembles Spahn's:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogt3DhNHyL0Don't see the resemblance to Ford's more conventional approach. At times in his career, Spahn's leg kick would elevate above his head, almost like he was upside down as he launched into his stride.

  126. mick - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Joe…my nickname for Kobernus is Cowboy…I have a very warped sense of humor…he looks like the infamous actor Herbert Cowboy Coward…who only starred in one movie but it was a very famous movie in which a famous and very good actor who has been in over 50 movies in starring roles is unfortunately only remembered by idiots like myself for one scene in this movie…Cowboy's famous line is "Don't say anything, just do it"

  127. SCNatsFan - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Candide I only have the previous quotes from earlier in Espi's career which were kind of cocky, which isn't a bad thing. What speaks volumes to me is how he hasnt said a word this time. Not a peep. Moore manned up, knew why it was happening and said he'd work to be back. Danny has said zilch.

  128. baseballswami - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Storm totally evaporated in Prince William.

  129. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    Bowdenball, IIRC, the replays showed Kobernus several feet beyond second, watching the play, and Zimmerman was not at second yet. Kobernus took off as soon as the ball dropped; FP said it was heads-up baserunning by Kobernus to be watching the play.

  130. bowdenball - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    Candide-Well, you don't want him RIGHT behind Kobernus. What if one of them picks up that the ball has fallen or was caught before the other? What if one of them gets it wrong initially and takes a few steps in that direction? You have to give the guy in front of you 15-20 feet just to avoid basepath collisions.Do you know where they guys were when the ball arrived at the wall? I haven't seen any football of them on the bases during that play. For all I know they were just 15-20 feet away. And even if they weren't, that's not laziness out of the box or lollygagging or a focus issue, that's just a run of the mill minor baserunning error, the kind of thing that happens all the time.

  131. baseballswami - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    SC Nsts Fan- we are on the same page.

  132. bowdenball - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    Candide said…"Bowdenball, IIRC, the replays showed Kobernus several feet beyond second, watching the play, and Zimmerman was not at second yet."Interesting, thanks.So where would you want Zimmerman there? Getting a piggyback ride from Kobernus? Sounds like he was about where he was supposed to be.

  133. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    "Listen, I have tried really hard to be fair, but those of us who watch everything — you see what you see."IMO, various people observing tiny snapshots of a situation can draw vastly different conclusions, none of whose veracity can be verified.

  134. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    SCNatsFan said… Candide I only have the previous quotes from earlier in Espi's career which were kind of cocky, which isn't a bad thing.…and hardly evidence of emotional fragility.What speaks volumes to me is how he hasnt said a word this time. Not a peep. Moore manned up, knew why it was happening and said he'd work to be back. Danny has said zilch.…and that is evidence of… what?

  135. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Joe Seamhead said… Ghost Of Steve M. said…Love the new nickname for K-rol and the K-rolling rolling.June 13, 2013 9:32 AM———————-I hadn't heard that one, but love it. BTW, Kobernus needs a nickname. June 13, 2013 9:38 AM I saw it in last nights thread. Credit to GoNat. I think that nickname will piss off a few Phoolie fans with their J-Roll. For a pitcher, how great is it to have a name like K-Roll. Surprised FP didn't come up with that.Kobernus is a tough one. I think he calls himself JKobe. He is looking to me like a better bench version than Lombardozzi if he can play 2nd base defense.Francis is pitching today and he's also a Lefty. I would go with the same lineup but get Lombo in LF and Kobernus to RF and give Werth a rest. Marrero at 1st base?RH vs Francis this year have a 1.026 OPS vs .472 for LHs.Let's see what Davey does!

  136. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    bowdenball said…And even if they weren't, that's not laziness out of the box or lollygagging or a focus issue, that's just a run of the mill minor baserunning error, the kind of thing that happens all the time.Agree. I don't know why Zimmerman didn't end up at third or even with an inside-the-park HR. Might have been a mental lapse, or a situation where there was too much happening in a relatively unfamiliar situation for the brain to process.It all ended well, as it turned out, but we all know that the Nats have lost too many runs this season on baserunning miscues.

  137. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    "Intangibles add up and get shown in real W's in the standings and not in WAR."Ditto that, Ghost. I give Rizzo all the credit in the world for the character and makeup of the Nats. Look at some of the other teams that were supposed to be lights out, this year – the Dodgers, Angels, Jays. They got talent, but they also got a lot of baggage that went with it.It is also one reason why I think Danny's stay in the minors will be longer than Danny thinks it will be. Danny is disgruntled and seems a bit embittered. TyMo, on the other hand, took the move down as an opportunity to improve his game, as did Karns. Those two are more likely to be back a lot sooner than Danny, IMO. Imagine the effect on the team if they send Rendon back down and replace him with Danny Espinosa. It's already all but unthinkable.

  138. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    "that's just a run of the mill minor baserunning error, the kind of thing that happens all the time."Exactly. Even if we all agreed that Zim *did* make a mistake by not sprinting out of the box, if that were the worst error we'd made so far this season…

  139. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    > I don't know why Zimmerman didn't end up at third or even with an inside-the-park HR. Inside the park HR? You think RZim could've pulled that off on that play? If it were Perez or the Shark, I might think there was a very outside chance…but…RZim?

  140. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Eric said… Desmond and Rendon were money, both in the field and at the plate.And, you left Ohlendorf off, Ghost! From whence did *this* dude come from, and can we go back for seconds?! I'm slamming Haren's fist in a locker. The brusied knuckle should sideline him for 15 days retroactive.The risk is Ohlendorf can't repeat it and you are a man short. I don't know what I saw last night. It was like a mirage.Less risky is to put Haren temporarily in the bullpen and give Ohlendorf another start and go from there.Rizzo and Davey have some tough decisions to make. I wish them luck with those decisions.

  141. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    Laddie, re: Espi, unless he completely turns everything around right out of the gate (or Rendon has a precipitous fall), I'm thinking he will rehab for the full 21 days and then a decision will be made about whether or not to option him. I think Moore's return is probably more assured, as his role is less central and it won't be as harmful if he comes back and bombs again.I don't see Karns coming back anytime soon, though…what makes you think we'll see him again?

  142. SCNatsFan - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    Candide I never said he was emotionally fragile but his behavior since his 'demotion' is more like a spoiled child then a professional team player. Is he one? I have no idea but in no way can you take hiding from the media as a sign that he is handling this well. Maybe he needs time to sulk, maybe he likes to be alone, maybe he is embarrassed, maybe he is so busy working on his rehab he has to time to comment but you cannot discount that maybe, just maybe, Danny is handling this situation like someone who doesn't understand that a .150 batting average doesn't belong in the major leagues no matter what the cause.

  143. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    "Less risky is to put Haren temporarily in the bullpen and give Ohlendorf another start and go from there."I likey. I definitely don't think we should put all our eggs in the Ohlendorf basket quite yet.

  144. Joe Seamhead - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=27976555&c_id=mlb OK, this horse is so dead he's rotting, but if you watch this all the way thru, not just the first footage of Kobernus on the basepaths, but the second one showing him [rightfully] dancing past 2nd base, it may give a reason why Zimm wasn't right behind him. Try to see it from the hitting baserunner's perspective after he rounded 1B. I haven't found a shot that shows exactly where Zimm was when Kobernus did his jig back towards 2nd before taking off like he'd been shot out of a canon, but I think this shows some explanation why Zimm didn't get to 3rd. And it wasn't from lallygagging, imho.

  145. NatsLady - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    Swami and all those who characterize Espinosa as "disgruntled, etc." and TyMoore as a great guy–we are on different pages. I sure HOPE Danny was disgruntled, because if he just went merrily, happily on to the DL and the minors, what would that say? Tyler Moore is in a completely different situation. His bat is basically all he has to offer. As I said yesterday, Danny would still be playing–despite his bat–if he hadn't (a) broken his wrist and (b) other players were providing the offense. See Orioles, Baltimore (or any number of teams who carry a light-hitting middle infielder).

  146. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    Morning all…It got dark in DC real quick… I swear it was like someone turned the dimmer down…Anywho, what a great game last night huh… I was pleased with all, excpet C Tracy but whatever… even that blemish wont upset me from what happened…Was watching the Davey press conference and heard him say that he was going to try to find a way to keep Ross O… Doesnt bode well for Haren… Be interesting if we hear that his hip is acting up…Haren may need to run some laps or work out harder or something becuz his endurance is an issue… We cant use the Rockies altitude excuse anymore for Haren as we saw what happened while Ross O was pitching…

  147. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    Here's the latest intel on Bryce Harper. He's in Washington relaxing in his brace and eating free Chipotle and to use NatsLady's term 'immobilization'.Dr. Weimi will examine him again as soon as Friday morning and check him again next week. The swelling is way down and he's feeling better. Some time next week they will get him to Hagerstown or Potomac for a couple of rehab starts if all goes well.They just don't want to rush it until he is 100% this time.

  148. RaleighNat - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    The Espinosa situation is actually resolved. His trade value is low relative to his potential so that ain't happening. He ain't taking Rendon's spot. He is officially a minor league player that will have to earn future opportunities by playing well. Nothing wrong with that. Pouting would be counter to his own self interest…but that's up to him. BTW, I am an Espi fan and think he has loads of potential. I hope he figures it out, but those are just the facts.

  149. NatsLady - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Oh, and (c) Rendon as a reasonable alternative, fielding-wise. I hope hope hope Desi stays healthy until Danny gets back. And he will be back.

  150. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM

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  151. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    "Is Desi now seeing better pitches having Rendon batting behind him or just feeling more confident."Yes. Or it might be something entirely different. That's why they are called "intangibles." You can see their effect without exactly knowing the nature of the cause. It is probably a pretty safe bet that the team will get a lift when SS and Harper are welcomed back. Of course, they have skill sets that make a tangible difference in team ability, but they will bring more than that with them when they return, like the Greeks getting Achilles back at just the right time.

  152. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    Agreed 100% with you @10:01, NatsLady.Oh, and Joe S, hopefully this goes without saying, but no worries re: the RZim baserunning "controversy"!

  153. Joe Seamhead - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM

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  154. NatsLady - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    MLB Public Relations ‏@MLB_PR 1mNL @AllStarGame Manager Bruce Bochy has named @Mets Terry Collins & @Nationals Davey Johnson to his #ASG coaching staff.

  155. SCNatsFan - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    But not Danny has to see the light; there is a brighter star then him shining in the Nats sky now. Of course you don't want a player to be happy with a backup role but Danny could be an amazing utility player – a superLombo – but you wonder if he could mentally adapt to that role and acccept a lesser role. Barring injuries, time will tell. No way Rendon goes back to taking the bus in the minors.

  156. Joe Seamhead - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    Laddie Blah Blah said:Danny is disgruntled and seems a bit embittered.How come you hear of players being "disgruntled'" but never gruntled?

  157. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    MrsB loves the Nats said… Anywho, what a great game last night huh… I was pleased with all, excpet C Tracy but whatever… even that blemish wont upset me from what happened…You noticed that with Tracy. His at-bats have gotten worse if that's possible. Last nights contact went 240 feet in the light Coors air.What does it take to get Corey Brown on this bench or even Eury Perez or anyone who can provide more than Tracy.He's the last piece from the Opening Day roster that has to go. Make him an assistant coach if you need to. I love the guy from a bench and clubhouse perspective as he is such a good guy but this is about upgrading.

  158. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    "I don't see Karns coming back anytime soon, though…what makes you think we'll see him again?"I don't know if we'll see Karns, again. But his odds are better than Espinosa's because his attitude is more constructive than Espinosa's. Danny seemed to have developed a sense of unearned entitlement, and that is largely due to management's treatment of him as, somehow, being entitled to keep his job without doing anything to deserve it.I doubt if there is another team in baseball which would have kept Espinosa at second base if that team had Rendon availbale as a replacement.

  159. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    Another good point @10:04, NatsLady. I had forgotten about Desi having no real viable back up. In light of that, optioning him seems unlikely unless his collapse extends to the minors.Regardless, I still think Espi will go the full 20 days in rehab (unless he truly breaks out), and then the question will be whether he's back to starting at 2B or becomes a bench guy.Anyway, when Slowes and Jagaler were talking about this last night, they sounded none too pleased to hear Espi was already gearing up to start rehabbing.

  160. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    NatsLady said… MLB Public Relations ‏@MLB_PR 1mNL @AllStarGame Manager Bruce Bochy has named @Mets Terry Collins & @Nationals Davey Johnson to his #ASG coaching staff. June 13, 2013 10:06 AM Very classy move! Davey's last year and Collins is the host Manager. The last time Bochy named a Nats manager to an All Star game that Manager quit before he could actually show up for the honor.

  161. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    "How come you hear of players being "disgruntled'" but never gruntled?"Best question of the day. I will get to the answer, in due course, but not until after I have solved Fermat's Theorem. That could be any day now.

  162. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    I would say Anthony Rendon is *quite* gruntled these days.

  163. Caps Fan - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    "I don't know why Zimmerman didn't end up at third or even with an inside-the-park HR. Might have been a mental lapse, or a situation where there was too much happening in a relatively unfamiliar situation for the brain to process."Zimmerman's not a triples hitter. Why? Because he's S-L-O-W. For him to end up at third on that hit, he would have had to be sprinting around the bases from the moment his bat met the ball. The only problem last night was that there was a runner ahead of him who stopped between second and third. As soon as Kobernus stopped, Zimmerman had to slow down behind him. And there went any possibility of a triple. If Zimmerman had tried to advance to third once it was clear whether the ball was caught or not, he'd have been thrown out easily.

  164. alexva - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    if Espi is on a DL rehab his option is not triggered. if he fails and is convinced to have the surgery he starts next year with the option in tact. that is of value to the team and his trade value. once Rendon took his spot, the only way he gets it back is if Rendon moves to 3rd. Rendon is the real deal

  165. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    SCNatsFan said… Candide I never said he was emotionally fragile but his behavior since his 'demotion' is more like a spoiled child then a professional team player.Is it? Has he blasted the team, the owners, or the management? Has he complained about being sent down? If he did, I must have missed it. The worst thing that I can find is that he referred to being sent to Syracuse as rehab rather than a demotion, and that seems to be the official party line anyway.He hasn't said anything to the press. So what? Maybe he decided that if he opens his mouth, there's a good chance he'll say something he regrets, or something innocent that will be twisted into something that'll make him wish he'd kept his mouth shut.Think it can't happen? A few months ago, right after the Newton murders, Denard Span tweeted something like, "Reading about this – really makes you think." And people jumped all over him like he'd advocated pouring gasoline on puppies and setting them on fire.I'm not an Espi fan, at least not with a bat in his hands, but let's not try to read his mind until we've sat down and had a nice long talk with him.

  166. JD - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    IMO: 1) Haren ain't going to the pen anytime soon; he' wasn't signed to a $13 mil contract to be Zack Duke. 2) It's just one start but what about Ohlendorf in the long relief role? if he can maintain a semblance of what he showed yesterday this will help him get a better job next year (maybe even with us). 3) Let's keep in mind that over 5 years Ohlenorf has a 5.00 ERA and a losing record. It's not likely that he became Greg Maddux over night.

  167. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    GoSm – Tracy is something like .138… All he does is pop-up… DJ should have pulled Ross O at the end of the 5th and PH'd for him with Tracy… At least Tracy would have made a productive out, in the way of a run…But I didnt like us re-signing C Tracy last year… And I dont understand why he is still getting the opportunity… Maybe when Bryce comes back, they will make some changes and maybe he will be 1 of them…

  168. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    I don't think Danny deserves to come back just because of some supposed backup role. That's silly. Lombo can spell Desi a day off if needed.If Desi got injured than Espi of course gets called up right away.Where in this group of smart people has Espinosa shown that he deserves to come back? Let him dominate AAA and then discuss that possiblility.That new guy playing 2nd base right now is batting over .300 and is creating runs and getting the guy in front of him more confident at the plate.

  169. bowdenball - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    Ghost Of Steve M. said… Here's the latest intel on Bryce Harper. He's in Washington relaxing in his brace and eating free Chipotle and to use NatsLady's term 'immobilization'."Dr. Weimi will examine him again as soon as Friday morning and check him again next week. The swelling is way down and he's feeling better. Some time next week they will get him to Hagerstown or Potomac for a couple of rehab starts if all goes well.They just don't want to rush it until he is 100% this time."June 22 is Bryce Harper bobblehead day. How great would it be if he returned for that?

  170. SCNatsFan - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    But Candide did you not think Moore handled it like you would want a player to?

  171. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    MrsB loves the Nats said… GoSm – Tracy is something like .138… All he does is pop-up… DJ should have pulled Ross O at the end of the 5th and PH'd for him with Tracy… At least Tracy would have made a productive out, in the way of a run…There were 2 outs when Ohlendorf had bases loaded I believe.

  172. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    "if Espi is on a DL rehab his option is not triggered"By 20 days, the Nats will have to decide whether to bring him back up or option him…unless, of course, he opts for surgery.Excellent post @10:17, Candide. Maybe he caught wind of being scapegoated by the fans and decided to just get on with business.

  173. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    "There were 2 outs when Ohlendorf had bases loaded I believe."That's correct.

  174. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    Re: Ohlendorf.That's the third start in a row that I've watched and he's looked exactly the same each time which is very good. He seems to be able to move his pitches up and down or in and out at will. I initially was concerned the first change ups that I saw were up but he seemed to want to throw them there and followed up with change ups down. Looking forward to his next start. Maybe Haren's back can act up.

  175. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    JD said… IMO:1) Haren ain't going to the pen anytime soon; he' wasn't signed to a $13 mil contract to be Zack Duke.2) It's just one start but what about Ohlendorf in the long relief role? if he can maintain a semblance of what he showed yesterday this will help him get a better job next year (maybe even with us). 3) Let's keep in mind that over 5 years Ohlenorf has a 5.00 ERA and a losing record. It's not likely that he became Greg Maddux over night. June 13, 2013 10:18 AM You are thinking with a checkbook and ego. You must think like Brian Sabean.I agree with your #3 but maybe just maybe Ohlendorf the smart Princeton guy figured something out. RIDE THE HOT HAND UNTIL HE AIN'T HOT NO MORE. NOTHING VENTURED NOTHING GAINED.

  176. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    Caps Fan said…The only problem last night was that there was a runner ahead of him who stopped between second and third. As soon as Kobernus stopped, Zimmerman had to slow down behind him. And there went any possibility of a triple. If Zimmerman had tried to advance to third once it was clear whether the ball was caught or not, he'd have been thrown out easily.Wait a minute.Kobernus was just ahead of Zimmerman, on the other side of second, and he came around to score.And you're saying that Zimmerman couldn't even have made it to third when he was already almost to second?

  177. alexva - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    what if Kobernus stumbles rounding 3rd and has to retreat? Zimm is hung out to dry is he's on his heels.

  178. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    Candide, Kobernus is, what, 10x faster than RZim? And, 3rd base is 90' closer to the outfield than home plate…(well, maybe 80 given the trajectory, but still).

  179. Joe Seamhead - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    Ohlendorf's performance was pretty impressive. So glad he wasn't overwhelmed. Was he just "whelmed" instead of "overwhelmed"?

  180. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    "Was he just "whelmed" instead of "overwhelmed"?"Maybe. Or, maybe he just whelped phase two of his career?

  181. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    SCNatsFan said… But Candide did you not think Moore handled it like you would want a player to?Sure. He knew all the right things to say. Obviously Crash Davis has his ear.But not saying, "Yeah, I've been stinking up the joint and they're right to send me down and I'm going to do everything I can to come back," is not – repeat NOT – evidence that you have a sense of entitlement. It's only evidence that you're not talking about it. And sometimes that's the smart thing to do.

  182. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    Eric said… Candide, Kobernus is, what, 10x faster than RZim?Probably not. Kobernus can't run ten times faster than I can; I can run 5 mph for a half hour without breathing hard, and I'm 62 years old and I've had a heart attack. If Kobernus can top 50 mph, someone needs to check BioGenesis's records again to see if he's been ordering stuff we've never even heard of.

  183. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    "He only played in 79 minor league games total before he was called up the second time."Ryan only played in 68 games in the minors before being called up for good, at the age of 20. Strasburg was in the minors only long enough for the Nats to be able to finesse the requirements of the CBA before he was called up for good. Espinosa had played only 8 games at 2nd base in the minors before being given the 2nd base job in the majors. Harper had only played one year of college ball (Juco, at that) and was doing poorly in the minors when he was called up for good.

  184. NatsLady - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Aren't we missing a few posters this morning? Not that I'm keeping track or anything…

  185. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    "Candide said…Eric said…Candide, Kobernus is, what, 10x faster than RZim?Probably not."lol, I guess we need hyperbole punctuation to go with irony punctuation… ;)My point is, Kobernus seems to be much faster than RZim and the chances of being thrown out at home are lower than being thrown out at third, all other things being equal, with the ball coming from the wall in left-center.

  186. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    "In March? That's not how I remember it."Sec. 3, I forgive you for your foolish oversight of either not reading, or not remembering, my posts from March. If you take the trouble to check this site's archives, you find that I was beating the drum for Rendon throughout most of spring training.

  187. JD - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    Ghost, I think you need more than one start to identify a hot hand. Given their respective history I think it's more likely that Haren pitches a good game next time out than Ohlendorf. BTW, do we know for sure that Stras is making his next start? if not then Ohlendorf gets one more chance to see if he's really hot. We should just remember that lots of pitchers have come up and thrown a few real good games before fizzling out (Martis, O'cconor). I believe that the cream always rises to the top so if Ohlendorf has really figured something out he will find his way into a rotation.

  188. Candide - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Eric…Yeah, I was having a little fun at your expense there.But seriously, Zimm's almost at second base. The ball bounces off the outfielder's glove, big collision, outfielders both rolling around on the warning track, groping for the ball, the winner has to get up and throw the ball in.And you're saying Zimm couldn't have made it to third? Hell, I could have made it running backwards one-legged and carrying Zimm on my back.

  189. SCNatsFan - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    NatsLady I believe some are still in shock over Ohlendorf's performance

  190. JD - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    I'll vouch for Laddie on this one. He has been beating Rendon's drum since spring training. I didn't agree with him and I still think that the timing of the promotion was appropriate but one must give credit whenever it's due. I am actually stunned at how comfortable Rendon looks at 2nd base, I think he can be a ++ defender at that position and we all can see he can hit. I just hope he stays healthy.

  191. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    >And you're saying Zimm couldn't have made it to third?No, I'm saying I don't think you can compare Kobernus' situation with Zim's. I have no idea whether or not Zim could've made third. I'm not concerned enough (read: at all) by Zim's actions to induce me to spend the time looking for footage showing Zim's position relative Kobernus and the timing of the debacle in left field.

  192. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    "I'm not an Espi fan, at least not with a bat in his hands, but let's not try to read his mind until we've sat down and had a nice long talk with him."You don't have to be a mind-reader to observe a man's actions or listen to what he has to say, or not say. There was an observable, objective difference to the way Danny handled his DL assignment and the way that Karns and Moore handled their demotions. People are going to draw whatever conclusions their cognitive abilities and life experiences have informed their judgmental faculties.Aren't you judging people for making their own judgments?

  193. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    "I am actually stunned at how comfortable Rendon looks at 2nd base…"Last night was great to see. The booted grounder against the Twins struck me as a matter of rushing the play. The throw to second on the DP attempt last night was VERY fast paced, and he played it perfectly: nice and slow.Very encouraging, far more so, imo, than the incredible leaping grab against the Twins.

  194. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Laddie Blah Blah said… "He only played in 79 minor league games total before he was called up the second time."Ryan only played in 68 games in the minors before being called up for good, at the age of 20. Strasburg was in the minors only long enough for the Nats to be able to finesse the requirements of the CBA before he was called up for good. Espinosa had played only 8 games at 2nd base in the minors before being given the 2nd base job in the majors. Harper had only played one year of college ball (Juco, at that) and was doing poorly in the minors when he was called up for good. June 13, 2013 10:33 AM Rendon was born to hit. His MiLB games mean more towards acclimation to the Nats way of doing things and if he were to learn a new system.Did you add to that his AFL games?The kid was ready with the bat. My only fear is that he tries to be a power hitter.Did you see what that did to Zim's hot streak after that 3 HR game in Baltimore?

  195. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    "I'll vouch for Laddie on this one. He has been beating Rendon's drum since spring training. I didn't agree with him …""I didn't agree with him…?" Shame on you, JD. I've written that down.

  196. Eric - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    "You don't have to be a mind-reader to observe a man's actions or listen to what he has to say, or not say."The problem here, imo, is that our observations are continually refracted and filtered by the media. We see, what, .05% of their day-to-day, off-field actions? Barring people with more direct access than the average fan, that is…Then, what we do see is further refracted and filtered by our own aggravations and hopes.

  197. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    JD said… Ghost,I think you need more than one start to identify a hot hand. Read NatsJack's words about his last few MiLB starts. Also 1 pitching start is equal to 5 days in position player's terms.You can't get too high or too low about the 1 start which is why I want to see it happen again.Baseball is a game of oddities. Sometimes you just go with it and try to figure it out afterwards. Every piece of baseball smarts was to tell you the Nats should've lost BIG last night. De La Rosa as their best pitcher against a sub-par journeyman.Remember that night in Baltimore when Freddie Garcia looked like Cy Young? You have to give it a try and Garcia just beat Jerred Weaver and the Angels on Monday night. Go figure. He's still an inconsistent mess much like Haren but maybe Ohlendorf figured something out and could be a consistent surprise. I think it's worth another look to put Haren in the BP for now to find out.

  198. JD - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Laddie, I don't take myself that seriously. For every Zimmerman and Harper you have Smoak, Hosmer, Moustakas and on and on. There is a real danger in bringing up your prospects too quickly. Sometimes they fail and never really recover. It's no accident that Tavares who is considered the no. 1 prospect in baseball has yet to be called up by the Cards and Myers has not yet been called up by the Rays (who really need offense). I think Rizzo was appropriately cautious until the situation forced his hand, same with Harper last year. So far so good.

  199. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 13, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    Laddie Blah Blah said… "I'll vouch for Laddie on this one. He has been beating Rendon's drum since spring training. I didn't agree with him …""I didn't agree with him…?" Shame on you, JD. I've written that down. June 13, 2013 10:51 AM The day this kid was drafted I wrote here "2nd base or LF" as he sure wasn't going to un-seed RZim at 3rd base and I was ridiculed then and every time I mentioned it. I'm glad a few of us kept saying it over and over again and stuck to our beliefs on it. Finally Rizzo saw the light.As I said with Placido Polanco, a position on your baseball card means nothing as very few players have any guarantees on positions. If RZ needed a rest tomorrow Rendon could play 3rd and Lombo could play 2nd.Rendon is a gamer. He justs wants to play and should do so as long as he is producing. There's no entitlement here, it has to be earned.

  200. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 13, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    "Rendon was born to hit. His MiLB games mean more towards acclimation to the Nats way of doing things and if he were to learn a new system."Did you add to that his AFL games?"The kid was ready with the bat. My only fear is that he tries to be a power hitter."Did you see what that did to Zim's hot streak after that 3 HR game in Baltimore?"I didn't include the AFL games, but they should count, too. I don't think he has to try and be a power hitter. His bat speed and ability to square up the baseball will get him plenty of HRs, as they always have, in the past. That 420 ft' shot he hit, to the opposite field, in game one, shows just what kind of power he has in that skinny frame. No wonder he's always smiling. He did that without even trying. That might have been the longest shot anyone has hit in the entire series, on either team."Rendon was born to hit."Man, ain't that the truth. What fun it will be for Nats fans to watch both Harper and Rendon for the next 10 – 12 years.Interesting take on Zim. I hadn't thought of that, but it would be a mistake for him to overswing. When he is at his best, he just tries to drive the ball, and the HRs come as a consequence that fundamentally sound approach.I keep waiting for him to go on a tear. We will know when he is on his way when Zim starts hitting low line drives that bounce just beyond the IF grass, but streak all the way to the OF wall before the defense can come close to cutting them off.

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