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Game 68: Nats at Indians

Jun 16, 2013, 3:38 PM EDT

Photo by USA Today

What a game it was between these two last night. The Nationals smacked five homers off just eight hits, including Anthony Rendon's go-ahead shot to opposite field in the ninth. In his first game hitting second in the order, the rookie certainly made his case to stay. And after seeing his offense wake up after a bit of a lineup change, Davey Johnson is going with a similar look today.

The Nationals will have Stephen Strasburg (3-5, 2.54 ERA) back who was reinstated from the disabled list this morning. He last pitched on May 31 before leaving after two innings against the Atlanta Braves. This is his first time pitching at Progressive Field since the second start of his career. If you remember, Strasburg had issues with the mound condition that day, but still went 5 1/3 innings with only two hits and a run allowed.

Pitching for Cleveland is third-year pro Corey Kluber (4-4, 4.08) who has really hit his stride as of late. Through his last six starts he is 2-2 with a 3.09 ERA and 37 strikeouts in 35 innings.

Enjoy the game…

WASHINGTON NATIONALS at CLEVELAND INDIANS
Where: Progressive Field
Gametime:ย 1:05 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN2, WUSA-9, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500)
Weather: Rainy, 75 degrees (60% chance of rain)

NATIONALS (34-33)
CF Denard Span
2B Anthony Rendon
DH Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche

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425 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. Doc - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Corey Kluber???…another baseball name gone wrong.The kid should have been a hitter! LOL

  2. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    Tracy has earned his start. Glad to see Solano.

  3. Rabbit34 - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Uh-oh. If Kluber has hit his stride lately, he ought to go through us like that knife through butter. Yep, finally Johnson has moved Rendon up in the lineup. Our only trouble now is the 3-4-5 positions, you know, the clutch strikeout guys. Hope SS is back in form. I'm still waiting for the final collapse of the team though. Hey, it's what we've come to expect. Now, on the bright side….???…never mind.

  4. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Hey folks… Happy Father's Day to ya! I will have to listen to XM since I'm away …Looking forward to the game (and hopefully the win!)

  5. SonnyG10 - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    I'd like to see how Solano handles Strasburg. Kurt sure could use a rest.

  6. Kirbs - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    I'm glad Rendon earned starting everyday against rightys.

  7. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    Solano calls a good game, too… I'm glad Zook is out… He needs like an entire series off…. I wonder if SS will be on a pitch count/limit today….

  8. karlkolchak - Jun 16, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    Kirbs – Rendon has proven that he should be starting every day against everybody. Kid looks like a true professional hitter. I know it is way too early for such comparisons, but today Baseball Reference's 162 game projection for Rendon looks a lot like a typical Wade Boggs season.

  9. Nats Fan in Brazil - Jun 16, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    Im the only who thinks span should not be leading off?

  10. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 16, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    When you win one where your best pitcher loses a 5-run lead, your worst hitter gets you back in the game, and then your best hitter fouls out weakly in the 9th, only he doesn't, and then hits the game-winning HR, then maybe its Kismet. If the Nats can take their 2nd straight series on the road, and their 3rd straight, overall, then Nats Nation can start to take their chances seriously, again.Rendon belongs in the 2-hole. He went 3 of 5 last night (almost half the team's 8 hits), including the game winner, scored 2 runs and knocked in another (the game winner) with his solo HR. That may be more than all the other 2-hole hitters have accomplished all year long, in just one game.Solano gets an important test, calling the game for SS. Marrero takes a seat. Too much pressure, maybe, for Chris to handle? Tracy at 3rd – can he do it, again? Davey is still working around Harper's absence and using the DH to take a look at some others. Plenty of guys getting a chance to show what they can do. But when Harp comes back, Davey's lineup looks set with Span, Rendon, Harp, Ryan from 1 to 4. As usual, Davey will alternate catchers and, perhaps, flip ALR (against righties) and Werth (against lefties) in the 5 – 6 slots. That is one heck of a lineup. How many teams have a guy like Desi batting 7th? And Desi seems to do better the farther down the lineup he goes. When Ramos finally comes off the DL, Davey will have his hairy chested power guys coming to the plate from the 2-hole all the way down to the 8-hole.With a revamped pen, all the starters back, and, at last, some meaningful contributions from the bench, Davey has the team he thought he did in spring training.Anthony Rendon is making a big difference. And he is just going to get better. I mean, he is scary good with the stick.

  11. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    Wi today and it is 3 straight series the satart of the return.

  12. Candide - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:03 PM

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  13. Candide - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    "Boy, just wait until (insert star's name here) gets back! Then we'll be tearing it all up!" The way this season has been going, it should be more like, "Wait until (insert star's name here) gets back! Then someone else is gonna get injured…" It's like the baseball gods are mad at us or something. But, boy, just wait until Harp and Rendon are batting 2-3!

  14. Joe Seamhead - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    Cedeno was the one to get sent back down.

  15. MicheleS - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    Happy Father's Day to all our Dads, and most especially Brian's Dad – Mark!Merry Strasmas everyone! GYFNG!

  16. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    Jeez, I didn't realize Span's Home/Road splits were so bad .201 on the road, .317 at home.

  17. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    Just another double for Anthony Rendon.

  18. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Heck, let Rendon serve as hitting coach too.

  19. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Oh that was a nasty pitch.

  20. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Zim need to be more aggressive in the3 hole with men on, especially with LaFail and Werth's behind him.

  21. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    I don't recall Zim ever looking at so many Called Strike 3's before. I mean, that was a nasty pitch so I'm not blaming him for this one specifically, but it's been an ongoing thing. It's weird.

  22. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    Bryce swings early in the count with men on base because he knows they won't give him anything late in the count. Don't understand why Zim can't do that.

  23. Rabbit34 - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Wasted another double by Rendon. Good old Zimmerman struck out on cue. At least LaRoche hit the ball. Can't fault him there. Getting Zim and Werth off the team can't come soon enough.

  24. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    Oh god. None of those pitches were even close. The only strike was on a failed bunt.

  25. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    Settle down now, Stras

  26. EmDash - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    Hmm. Stras doesn't look real comfortable so far. Hope he's actually okay and they're not rushing him back too fast. Of course, he didn't have a rehab start, so maybe he's just rusty?Gotta figure he's on an 80-ish pitch limit like Detwiler was.

  27. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    His velocity has already hit 98 so I'd say he's fine. Just wild.

  28. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    I think in the Carp and FP drinking game, "lettin' the ball travel" should be added to "serious jammage." Maybe also "gettin' on top of it."

  29. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Gettin' on top of it!!

  30. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    He let the ball travel too, I'm sure. FP just didn't have time to mention it.

  31. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    Better inning that time.

  32. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    SS is settling down, just seems to take him an inning or more to get in a groove.

  33. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Indians bailing out Zim. I'll take it.

  34. phil dunton - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    If Rendon keeps hitting, we'll never have to see Danny again.

  35. NatsJack in Florida - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    Unlike alot of Nats hitters, you know that Anthony Rendon sees every ball come off his bat. He actually sees the moment of contact.

  36. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    Worst middle of the lineup in baseball in my opinion.

  37. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    ALR anither called strike out when man is on third less than 2 outs

  38. Drew - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    Jiminy Christmas. Just put the ball in play, Jayson.

  39. Depot Master - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    Two batters, no contact.

  40. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    Pathetic. Why does Desmond not bat 5th. LaFail needs to go. His slumps are unbearable. The truth is aside from Rendon and Harper there aren't any great hitters on this team. Zim, Desi and LaRoche occasionally get hot but aren't that great overall

  41. phil dunton - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    I don't know if I can handle all this clutch hitting with RISP. This has been going on all season and it is painful to watch. Zimmerman, Werth and Laroche are the biggest culprits.

  42. Depot Master - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    Make that 3.

  43. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    Ugh.

  44. phil dunton - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    Rendon should bat in the clean up spot.

  45. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    No comment on what happened in that last inning. Well, ok, one comment. Our "big boppers" are pathetic with men on base.Rendon now has 6 multi-hit games in his 16 games this year . Espi had 4 in 44. He also has a shot for his second 3-hit game. The last time Espi did that was September 24 of last year. I think I'll keep keep tracking of this. At least one thing is going right.

  46. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    Davey please do us a favor keep Rendon and Harper from Eck.The vets have way too much Eck in them already. Just hit the ball to the outfield with man on third no outs. Tou dont K especially looking.

  47. Rabbit34 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    UNBELIEVABLE!!! These guys really must be trying for those strikeouts! Come on! First and third no outs. LaRoche strike out, on cue. Werth strike out, on cue. Desmond strike out, on cue. You know the Rabbit's right. These guys are BAD! Ugh. So predictable.

  48. Drew - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach John McKay on his team's execution:"I'm all in favor of it."

  49. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Rendon should bat in the clean up spot.Can he hit 1st, 2nd, and 4th?

  50. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    0 for 5 RISP.Terrible situational hitting still.Arg Eck either coach them or get out of town. Dont just sit there with your book. That is stat keeping not coaching. I can stat keep

  51. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    Section 222 said…Rendon should bat in the clean up spot.Can he hit 1st, 2nd, and 4th?____________________________________________And 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th.

  52. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    Despite last night's win we were 0for 5 RISP, ndians were 3 for 7

  53. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Situational hitting. ugh

  54. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    The Indians had a base hit with a RISP. That's allowed? I figured there must be a rule against it and that's why we never do it.

  55. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    Zim should apologize to fans for his pathetic play this year. He pulled an absolute heist on this org with his contract. Davey pleading to resign LaFail. Horrible leadership there.

  56. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    First chance with man in scoring position they hit. When will be free of the Eck curse.?

  57. EmDash - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Problem isn't necessarily RISP hitting. It's hitting in general – every team fails to take advantage of opportunities. But when you only get 4 baserunners, one on an error, you don't get the opportunities nearly often enough. The team OBP is way too low, and that's the problem in a nutshell.

  58. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Our hitters just do not focus in needed situations. Until they do we will all be frustrated.

  59. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    We are 14th out of 15.

  60. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    Laroche hitting 239. Zim 270. Werth 257. Our 3-5 hitters.

  61. Rabbit34 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    Look at Zim and Werth. The more they're paid, the less they have to focus. They have already duped the team, now just grab the money and run …or strike out. BUMS.

  62. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Sigh. If you think Zim, Werth, ALR or anyone else on this team isn't trying, I don't know what to tell you.

  63. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    No matter who the catching they cant throw anyone out.Why? Terrible holding by pitchers. Of course lead off walk comes back to bite Stras's ass.

  64. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Adam La Roche with the worst at bat of the season, closely followed by Jayson Werth and Ian Desmond.

  65. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    I dont use the word not trying, though the real word is execution, their execution is very week.

  66. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    The righty lefty thing only works when players can at least hit somewhat. Bernadina has no clue what he is doing out there.

  67. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Bernadina is hitting like .300 over the last month. He started off so awful that his overall numbers are down, but Shark has been fine lately.

  68. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Span's average goes lower and lower…..

  69. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    Yeah, if a guy goes 1-3 in 3 at bats, that does put you over .300. His performance this year has been execrable on offense.

  70. phil dunton - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    We are stuck with Werth, but Zim is a different story. Although his career is headed in the same direction as Werth's, he still has trade value until his onerous, no trade, 6 year, $100 million contract kicks in. On the surface, his stats don't look too bad but he pads them during a couple of hot streaks during the season while the rest of the time he is simply awful.

  71. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    William O. Douglas Loeffler said…Yeah, if a guy goes 1-3 in 3 at bats, that does put you over .300. His performance this year has been execrable on offense.You know good and well that's not the case. Bernadina has gotten quite a few at-bats and been fine.

  72. Rabbit34 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    Ok, runner on second for the Nats. No one out. Cue 'em up guys.

  73. EmDash - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    Zimm's OPS+ is 124, with 100 being average. LaRoche's is 106, which means he's been great in May and June after his very poor April. Desmond's is 122. Those guys generally aren't the problem, whatever happens today.They should be putting Kobernus in for Span now, right?

  74. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Span refuses to take home.

  75. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Our guys just stand there with the bat on their shoulders….

  76. BigCat - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Eck gotta go

  77. Drew - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Lord, what a hitter.Great pitch recognition and he lines a frozen rope to right. Just exquisite.'

  78. phil dunton - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    By the way, for those saying: Dump Laroche—-he has no trade value. There was very limited interest in him during the off season and with his horrible 2013 stats and a $24 million contract there would be even less interest now.

  79. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Rendon and harper stay away from Eck please.

  80. EmDash - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    Jewett stopped him, not Span's fault.

  81. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    You have to make contact.

  82. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Zim suckssssssssssss

  83. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Rendon could hit at Rice,so this is not a surprise just keep him away from Eck.

  84. Drew - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    For God's sake!

  85. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Let's bunt

  86. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    Quit striking out with men on third. Simply unacceptable

  87. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Wow.

  88. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    I am only following on game track. Was there any chance could score on Rendon's hit or was it hit too hard?

  89. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    MNF, it was probably hit too hard, but the outfielder dropped the ball. Span had already been held up and he hurt himself by fouling the ball off his foot so he wasn't running very well.

  90. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    La Roche is an maddening today. Last time a double play brings a run home but Adam was too lazy to swing. This time he hits into a double play.

  91. SCNatsFan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    What happened to clutch hitting?

  92. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    For crying out lound why are these hitters not executing? Just need to fl to the outfield

  93. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    So jewitt will send slow runners sent a fast runner we score.

  94. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    I'd rather have Espinosa bat now than Zim or Laroche. At least he'll probably swing.

  95. Rabbit34 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    Adam couldn't put us through three strikeouts with no outs runners on first and third. Just hit a double play after the first strikeout. No problem. These guys have it DOWN! Now I feel bad for Rendon, he has no support. And how about SS! Back and pitching with no support. Ugh.

  96. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    Ryan Zimmerman's at bat was pathetic this inning.

  97. BigCat - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    Eck gotta go

  98. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    I know Eck doesnt tell him to do this, but Obviously he doesnt prepare them to not do it.

  99. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    Zimmerman did not even come close to putting the bat on the ball.

  100. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Rendon deserves to cut ALR's hair after what the two of them have done the last two times up.

  101. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    So glad we traded Morse and got a lead-off hitter who can't even score from second on an outfield single, lol….

  102. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    Zim has officially renounced his FOF label. He is now just some guy that can play a decent first base. That label goes to Bryce and Rendon.

  103. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    This is mostly Rendon's fault for only hitting doubles and singles instead of homer runs.

  104. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Trent Jewitt is the worst…. Situational hitting is terrible…

  105. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Over and over, we have a runner on third and no outs and we have no possibility of bringing the guy in. Jewett had no business not sending Span.

  106. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    Because of the way the line-up is falling, we may only have one last chance to score in the 8th. Not expecting much this inning.

  107. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    We got time…. Come on Nats… Lets do this!

  108. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    By the way, Rendon now has had his second 3-hit game in the 16 he's played this year. Espi didn't have any in his 44 games this year, and had 6 games of 3 or more hits all last year in the 160 games he played.

  109. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Bryce should hit cleanup when he returns. Desmond 5th. LaFail 6th. Werth 7 or lead off.

  110. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    I am really perturbed by Zimmerman and La Roche's at bats in this game.

  111. BigCat - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    Eck must go

  112. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    Come to think of it, he should cut Zim's hair too. Ugly hitting.

  113. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    Another RISP. Can we find a way to strand him?

  114. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Your best hitters should hit one and two. 3rd is pushing it. Sports Illustrated just did an article on this. Clean-up hitters get far fewer at bat. Lucky double by Werth but I'll take it. He may get tired standing out there on 2nd, however.

  115. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    I listened to FP and changed seats, next pitch Werth doubles!

  116. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    If Zim didn't come to camp so fat and out of shape maybe he could still play.

  117. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    We are all set up for a double play.

  118. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    Do our guys get a bonus for players LOB?

  119. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    Section 135 said…If Zim didn't come to camp so fat and out of shape maybe he could still play.June 16, 2013 3:04 PMYeah, Prince Fielder sucks.

  120. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Error?

  121. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    We are really set up for a double play now!

  122. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Hey William, a double play would be a rally right now. It would score a run.

  123. Secret wasian man - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    I have taken a break to cool off. In Cleveland with my fam for all 3 games and to visit college. My goodness is this just totally frustrating. I cant remember when ive seen so many awful ABs in crunch time

  124. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Bases loaded…. No outs… Lets score at least 2 runs….

  125. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Told you!

  126. Drew - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue

  127. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Holy sh*t we suck

  128. Secret wasian man - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Are you kidding? just not meant to be

  129. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    I expected a double play from catcher to first. That was just as bad.

  130. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    I now need a new remote.

  131. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    This is absolutely unbelievable. Hard to watch. Wow. I'm speechless.

  132. SCNatsFan - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    And yet another base running error by the Nats. This team isn't good enough to give outs away.

  133. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Wow. That's just beyond terrible.

  134. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Lombardozzi with the knuckledheaded play. Bernadina with the pathetic weak grounder.

  135. Secret wasian man - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    that's just terrible.

  136. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Wow…. This was just terrible…. I'm trying to understand what The Onion was trying to do….

  137. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    I think Lombo needs to go back to the minors.

  138. Rabbit34 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    Bases loaded. No outs. No surprise result. BUMS!

  139. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    The Onion was trying to send the ball opposite field. He hit it decently, but right at Reynolds. I don't fault Solano, I fault Lombardozzi for being doubled off. Unacceptable.

  140. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    If Stras loses this game I hope every player (except Rendon, and maybe Werth) gets down his kneed to apologize.

  141. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    Span could have scored easily and we don't run. Then Lombo runs when we have no business running.

  142. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    Strasburg had some horrible walks. If he doesn't walk that guy, it is 0-0.

  143. Knoxville Nat - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    Nats pitchers should sue for non support (despite last night), this is the most pathetic situational hitting

  144. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    Why is Lombardozzi playing second?

  145. Secret wasian man - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    Solano is terrible. swung at 3 balls. Lombo asleep. Just not good players. Gonna be a long ride home.

  146. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    This is just so hard to watch.

  147. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    Strasburg was rusty, but you can't pin this loss on him.

  148. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    Where is Rendon playing now?

  149. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    Thanks David… I'm listening to C and D…. And they didnt go into great detail… But this is terrible… The Nats deserve to lose this game… Way to many left on base…But we are only down 1… Come on guys… Lets do this!!!

  150. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    Well, you don't want him playing third (Lombo, that is).

  151. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    This game is easily the most frustrating of the entire year. I can't believe how absolutely awful we look. This is worse than a blowout.

  152. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    Oh no! Lombo at 2B and Rendon at 3B? But, but, but, I thought it was an awful idea to move Rendon to another position while he's learning 2B. The horrors!

  153. Knoxville Nat - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    And I'm starting to join the chorus that says Eck needs to go.

  154. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    So Zimmerman got taken out for Lombo????

  155. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    And plenty of blame to go around. Every person has done something wrong today. Even darling Anthony.

  156. Secret wasian man - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    William O. There is no way you can blame any of this on pitching. Bats are embarrassing.

  157. TexNat - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    Is Zim hurt?

  158. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Why would you trade Zimmerman's bat for Lombo's?

  159. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Rendon is playing third–which makes it more of a mystery why he didn't play on Friday.

  160. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    dumb play by Lombo but even if he got back, the inning ends with Bernie's double play ball, 6-4-3. Rendon with a HR next inning could be our only hope.

  161. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    What has Zim done for us today?

  162. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Zimmerman is DHing. He hasn't been at 3rd the entire game. Zim is still in the game.

  163. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    For Tracy then? Okay. Mea Culpa.

  164. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    I don't think that they have hit a single ball to 3rd today.

  165. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

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  166. Secret wasian man - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Because unlike Zimmerman Lombo actually was able to put some wood on the ball

  167. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    3 times with a runner on 3rd and nobody out and zero (0) runs!

  168. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    Jeez, the catcher steals???? Unreal.

  169. Faraz Shaikh - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    oye oye oye, what is the lineup doing now? wake up guys.we are 2 for 11 with RISP but zero runs and they are 1 for 1 with one run.

  170. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    Guys look really languid. Span couldn't be bothered to run to second or to home.

  171. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    This is almost comically tragic.

  172. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    How is Span looking? I'm trying to understand why Jewitt didnt send him on Rendon's hit a few innings ago….

  173. Rabbit34 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    Unless we get a home run, we're done. Rendon is our only real hope to get a hit but the law of probability is against him. Outside of him though, what do we have? Not much of anything. Ok, cue 'em up guys. But try to hit the ball! At least give it a chance. Ugh.

  174. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    3 times with a runner on 3rd and nobody out and zero (0) runs! the fact of the day…what happened to the art of the sac fly… sound's like we'd have a better chance with the squeeze with solano/bernadinaI think we have a disadvantage with the DH unless we bat our pitchers.

  175. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    Span hobbled again?

  176. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Carp: "And then Ryan Zimmerman, who always comes alive in key situations."Um, except his last time up when there were runners on 1st and 3rd with none out….

  177. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    Horribly managed and coached game.

  178. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    swing for the fence zim!

  179. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    Fat guy of the franchise

  180. SCNatsFan - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    And yet another new guy we make look like Cy Young. Seems like the list grows every series. And Davey continues to support Eck. Just like with so many others, this team needs things to get horrific before changes are made. Eck gets more rope then HRod.

  181. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    Maybe our guys had a few too many drinks last night?

  182. Rabbit34 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Too predictable.

  183. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Zimmerman with the weak grounder we desperately needed when he flailed and struck out with a guy on third and no outs.

  184. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    La Roche stood there and let a decent pitch go by with 0 outs and a man on third.

  185. Secret wasian man - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    Zimmerman and ALR are robbing this organization blind. Just horrendous with things matter.

  186. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    How many pitches will it take to get us out in the 9th?

  187. BigCat - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    Make ray knight hitting coach. Keep eck as batting practice pitcher so he doesn't get offended

  188. Secret wasian man - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    well now we don't have to worry about losing 1 0. .500 baseball for 3 more months.

  189. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    Davey has no business playing Lombardozzi or Bernadina except for late innings defense and yet, he trots them out in the starting line-up game after game after game.

  190. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    and that's the problem…you feel you can't score unless you hit a hr cause you can't rely on the other 8 guys in the lineup to hit with RISP…so the big boys pressure themselves to go for for the fences with poor results. the bernadina experiment is nearing an end. so the indians sac because they think they can get the run in.

  191. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    Since May 28, Bernadina is hitting .300/.378/.525. That's with 40 ABs. But don't let facts get in the way.

  192. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    Indians execute. We have Lombardozzi not paying attention during the game as a base runner.

  193. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    We are so bad without Bryce. He is our only hope.

  194. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    not sure why we pitched to their best hitter this series, it may as well be 8-0 now.

  195. Greg Essner - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    DAVEY A TRUE MORON THINK IS SENILE.RIZZO NEEDS TO BE GONE A INVESTIGATED FOR INTERSTATE FRAUD,I WILL NOT BE GOING TO ANY MORE HOME GAMES,LET THEM GET HIT IN THE POCKET BOOK MAYBE CHANGE WILL THEN HAPPEN TRULY AN EMBARACEMENT TO THIS CITY AWFULL

  196. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    Indians executed… But we didnt…

  197. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    There is no way that we can get two runs in an inning.

  198. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    Gee, now that wasn't hard was it?

  199. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    Greg Essner said…DAVEY A TRUE MORON THINK IS SENILE.RIZZO NEEDS TO BE GONE A INVESTIGATED FOR INTERSTATE FRAUD,I WILL NOT BE GOING TO ANY MORE HOME GAMES,LET THEM GET HIT IN THE POCKET BOOK MAYBE CHANGE WILL THEN HAPPEN TRULY AN EMBARACEMENT TO THIS CITY AWFULLJune 16, 2013 3:36 PMI'm speechless.

  200. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    Lombo needs to go down and learn to hit. Tracy needs to retire after his big moment. Bernadina needs to only bunt and play late inning defense. Davey thinks we are the 70's Orioles who had excellent bench players both righty and lefty.

  201. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    La Roche didn't even swing.

  202. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    Bernadina career .246 hitter, batting .189 this year.probably hurt shoulder. don't let reality get in the way.

  203. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    I predict a six pitch inning.

  204. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Slowest man on the planet except for Morse. 2 pitches.

  205. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    oh but the shark does have 4 rbis this year… on pace for 20 in a full season.

  206. SCNatsFan - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    LaRoche gets the ofer for the series. That doesn't help things.This team needs Harper back in the worst way.

  207. Knoxville Nat - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    " I predict a six pitch inning."Well they do have a flight to Philly to catch. Certainly have played like they're more interested in that than winning a ball game today.

  208. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Game over.

  209. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    well we can hit sac flys but not just with runners in scoring position.

  210. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    Easily the most frustrating game of the year. Have we finally reached rock bottom? Who the hell knows anymore.

  211. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    So glad I wasted my afternoon. So long folks.

  212. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    Flat. Futility. Fizzle.

  213. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    eddie yost

  214. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    Lombo needs to be in Syracuse. I have never seen a team that gets less bang for the buck per hit. We get ten hits and one run and now 7 hits and no runs. Davey seems to have no concept of how bad Lombo and Bernadina are at the plate.

  215. Drew - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Why are you hitting Lombo, down two runs with two outs in the 9th?Why is Marrero here?Kobernus can play second in extras.What the $&@! are you doing?

  216. DWS - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    A runner at third three times with nobody or one out?

  217. Section 135 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    Happy fathers say to me. Thanks Nats.

  218. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    La Roche took a perfect pitch with a runner on 3rd.

  219. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Tough and aggravating loss…. Nats has opportunity after opportunity… I am sticking with 6-3 on this road trip…. Time to sweep the Philth!Enjoy the rest of your Father's Day!

  220. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    If we grounded into a double play every time we had a runner on third today, we'd have won the game 3-2. Just to put into context how bad we were.

  221. BigCat - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    so stra gives up 1 hit in 5 innings and takes the loss….I would like to be a fly on the wall when our pitchers get together and talk shop about our hitters

  222. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    ECK has nothing to do with fundamentals like Span not scoring from 2nd or Lombo getting doubled off.

  223. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    And why in the world have you decided to blame Lombo? Was he the one who whiffed repeatedly with risp ? Is he the one with a big paycheck? He is a young, part time utility guy who at least made contact.and played part if this game. It was lost long before he came into it.

  224. Rabbit34 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    BUMS.

  225. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    Span has 23 homers in his six year career and yet, zero for us. He is having his worst season of his career at only 29. There are plenty of serviceable outfielders with speed who do not hit or steal bases. We are paying $6 million plus for 3 years for this singular lack of production.

  226. Rabbit34 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    David Proctor…….Your posts are right on.

  227. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:59 PM

    Lombo made a crucial boneheaded play. He is not to be blamed for his excessive playing time, of course. That is on Davey. I would never play Lombo except as a pinch runner or late defensive specialist. He has no power at all. I know he is from the area but facts is facts. His career stats are very poor, but his stats this year are pathetic.

  228. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    But William– we don't steal bases, or sacrifice or make productive outs, or squeeze or walk the hot hitter or— wait. What is it that we do?

  229. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    And the game was far from lost before Lombo came in today. You must not have been watching.

  230. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Swami,We do several things very well. We strike out, strand baserunners, get caught stealing and make errors with the best of them.

  231. Drew - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Swami: I am not blaming Lombo. Obviously, today's failure rests with the middle of the order.But when you're down two runs and down to your last out, why in the world would you not bring up the guy with power to pinch hit for the fellow with no power and a low on base percentage?

  232. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Just saying that it 's odd to blame a small cog in the wheel when the veterans we pay tons of money failed epically many times over.

  233. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM

    Hopefully, Davey will start playing Rendon. We might have won Friday night if he hadn't benched Rendon that game.

  234. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM

    It takes a lot to impress Davey as a pitcher, maybe Palmer, Cuellar, McNally and Dobson….

  235. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Legion of Doom making the day special

  236. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Davey mentions Denard and Lombo's baserunning mistakes.

  237. Section 313 - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Our most effective options with a runner on third are a wild pitch, passed ball, or balk.

  238. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    I'm like the least Doomy person on here, but this loss really, really sucks. I mean it has to be the worst played game of the season, right? Just awful all around.

  239. BigCat - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    Eck gotta go

  240. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    Yep. Doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom. What an idiotic comment. There has scarcely been a single comment on here that I would characterize that way. I still think the Nats will win the division, but you can't give away games just in case you have to play for the wild card. I have been on here for two hours and there have probably been about two comments that were excessively negative.The most annoying thing on this site are the idiots calling everyone else the Legion of Doom. Make your point, if you have one and make it factual.

  241. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    Davey by any chance mention any of his own mistakes? No, didn't think so.

  242. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    No, but he mentioned Denard not running, which is on Jewett, who must be the most conservative base coach ever.Davey sure has a nice watch on his arm, btw. Is that a Rolex or Omega?

  243. 4c106f30-d6c1-11e2-8b7f-000bcdcb8a73 - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    David Proctor, here's further context on how bad it was today. The hit that scored Cleveland's first run was their first hit of the day. So, if the Nats pitchers had one hit the Indians, that one hit being a ground ball through the infield, they still would have lost!

  244. SCNatsFan - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    I did expect more out of Span. I do believe, minus the injuries, this is the team Davey and Rizzo wanted. Too many nights this team is flat out bad and of course it lies on the players but management did not do its job.

  245. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    DP, agree, probably the most frustrating game I have seen them play all year. Its just unfathomable to me that you have 1st & 3rd twice with no outs and bases loaded once with no outs and fail to score a single run. What are the odds that happens? Lack of execution is an understatement. Really hope we don't repeat this tomorrow vs. Lannen of all people.

  246. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    The mighty Cards just lost 2 of three to the Fish. The Marlins brought their closer in when it was 7-2 in the 9th (bases loaded) to do the job. Or, you could say, the Cards had the bases loaded and couldn't do the job. We are still 3-3 on this road trip. We get Lannan, Lee and Kendrick next, Should be able to get 2 of 3. Lannan will be pumped, true, but he is just coming off the DL Clip had two days off and Storen only pitched to one batter yesterday.Davey will have a super-quick hook for Haren with Ohlendorf to the ready. He will not make the mistake (I SINCERELY hope) of leaving Rendon out of the lineup. Lee will be tough, but he isn't invincible. We have our rotation back, finally. Team OBP for May was .286. Team OBP since Werth got back — . .344 (and that's with him rusty for his first couple of games). Yes, it's frustrating to go 2-11 RISP. But that isn't going to happen in every game. I would have felt worse if we had lost the game yesterday after having a 5-run lead, because you are not supposed to lose those games. The frustration of this game was the Indians trying to give it to us with errors and misplays, and us not taking advantage. LaRoche has got to get in the cage and work on defeating the shift, because you can bet every team noticed how well it worked. There is a reason Solano is a back-up catcher and Lombo and Bernadina are on the bench, so although I hope they will come through, I don't actually expect them to. I do expect RZ to come through, and I admit to disappointment in his performance today.

  247. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    I still think it's too early to give up on Span. Span is not performing to his career norms. He has a career .353 OBP and this year he's at .313. He's a career .383 hitter and he's at .254. Those numbers are likely to go up because he's been fairly consistent in his career.

  248. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    Also, Kluber is not Masterson. He may have pitched well, but he was (obviously) hittable and had control problems.

  249. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Almost unbelievable to me that all the coaching staff is just untouchable. Why do we have then if they have no effect? Davey just gets miffed because he is Gladys and his Pips are not making him look like a star. Especially with a youngish team they will need more practical advice and not just scouting reports. I could give them scouting reports

  250. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    DP, re. Span, do you mean a career .283 hitter?

  251. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    Yes, typo. It'd be quite something if he were a career .383 hitter!

  252. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    I am certainly not giving up on Span, particularly as he is close to perfect in CF and makes it look easy. But he is getting banged up like a catcher, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a swollen foot tomorrow. I am not that fond of his being more aggressive, and I expect Werth will have a word with him to go back to his previous approach of taking more walks. Davey might not like it, but it's clearly not working for Span. How many times have we heard a hitter say (after the fact) "They wanted me to change my approach and I wasn't that comfortable…." Even if that was the case, Span, as the new guy, wasn't likely to stand up to Davey. I know Davey likes the aggressive, swing-early-in-the-count strategy, but that doesn't work for EVERY hitter.

  253. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    DP, funny, I read that a few times and thought, wow, he really is having an off year!! Love his D but he needs to step it up, get on base more and score runs which should be the goal of a lead-off hitter.

  254. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    Also, if Span ignored the stop sign and got thrown out at the plate, how would Davey like that??? Trent Jewitt seems to have this knack of sending runners when he shouldn't and not sending them when he should.

  255. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    This is just a weird year. I don't know. Guys look lost at the plate, even when we score runs. Guys like Zimmerman. Zimmerman is a good hitter (despite what some here may say sometimes) but I feel like the entire year he's just been off. His numbers aren't that bad, it's just a something I feel by watching him. He's not swinging the way he normally does.Desi is fine. Werth is mostly fine. I agree with you NL about Span. I think he needs to just go back to what works for him. He looks uncomfortable. He looked much better earlier in the year.Rendon is fine, Harper is fine when he's playing. Suzuki has never been a particularly good hitter, he just spoiled us at the end of last year and beginning of this year. Ramos returning will be good, I think.Who knows.

  256. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    Line-up really misses Harper, any word on when he may return?

  257. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    Let's just face the cold hard facts. Someone put a hex on the team.

  258. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    swami, yea it was Davey when he said "WS or bust" in spring training.

  259. sec205 - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    That was definitely the most frustrating in a season (half-season) of frustration.

  260. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    Paul– good call.

  261. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    Span has been trending down for years. His OBP for the last 3 years are .331, .328, .342 and this year, .313. He has been lousy stealing bases the last three years as well. Rizzo made a bet that somehow these 3 years were a temporary blip. I still think the might get back to .340 obp, which is at least decent, but a guy with dwindling power, dwindling obp and okay speed is not what you need leading off. I would move him back to 7th in the order and let Rendon lead off and bat Harper 2nd, which maximizes the at bats of your two guys who get on base the most.

  262. Another_Sam - Jun 16, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Jewett – still doesn't get it. The rest of the club: welcome to .500 city for the year.

  263. Scott Margenau - Jun 16, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    This is just sad. I'm sad. That said, I put this on the managers and coaches. Rizzo has got us great talent. Rendon just a blessing. Our pitchers are great. BP getting much better with good young talent. On a down note, I agree with DP, William O, PB, Swami and the other "real posters" (real as no rose colored googles) the core vets are not doing well. Lombo, bern and Tracey are not only playing bad, but seem to get rewarded for bad play when they should be demoted. Put in young players that want to play and give 100% —let performance determine who plays.

  264. Scott Margenau - Jun 16, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    Goggles — lol

  265. Secret wasian man - Jun 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    This loss is on the guys making the big bucks. How can a KID WITH A MULLET adjust and our so called studs do nothing. The glove is great but ALR is awful at the plate. These guys NEVER other than Desi swing at the first (and Best) pitch.

  266. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 9:50 PM

    wasian, I like Rendon, I think he'll be a star and he has a great attitude and personality. But this is the first time pitchers are seeing him. LaRoche and Zimmerman have been around a LONG time. Every team has a book on how to pitch them. There are two tests(1) Zim and ALR, in particular, need to make some adjustments. With LaRoche, it's pretty easy to see, he MUST overcome the shift, maybe with the occasional bunt (he's done that twice that I recall). Zim, I just don't know, but I agree with a poster above, something just seems slightly "off" with him. He's always hit into a lot of double plays, but he made up for it with power and batting average.(2) How will the league adjust to Rendon? And will he be able to re-adjust back as Harper did last year? I feel he will, but it remains to be seen.

  267. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    This team presently treading water wairing for Harper.When is he coming back, this delay is as frustrating as the pathetic situational hitting.

  268. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    We play like the Earl Weaver Orioles except Boog Powell, Frank Robinson and Brooks Robinson are not hitting 3 run hrs for us. Where did they go ?Well if they aren't here and Harper is not in the lineup, do some of the stuff that Dave P. mentioned…manufacture runs caus your pitching is good enough to win with a 1 run lead.

  269. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    One more thing about Eck. It 's one thing to have a complete scouting report, but I truly think it would take a professional hitter to help another veteran hitter come up with a strategy to beat the shift. Or to say to a young guy who is coming up in a critical spot- ok, now what is the plan? What do you think the pitcher might try to do to you? Relax and make contact. Elevate for the sac fly— anything that will help. I know they " should" know- but in the heat if the game it might help crystallize it and focus in. In game adjustments are non- existent.

  270. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    Thinking about it, actually the guys have toughed it out pretty good to be at .500 with the injuries to the rotation and Harper/Werth/Ramos, plus the unsuitable configuration of the bullpen. I partly blame Davey and partly Rizzo for the bullpen. If Davey didn't like the bullpen, he should have opened his mouth, and said I don't want Henry, get me JP Howell, or forget Henry, promote Abad. As far as Zach Duke, that was unpredictable, but lesson learned.Davey also cost us 3-4 wins, for example the day he pulled Gio, and Friday's crazy line-up. A manager should not be costing you games.Gio has had several games that he pitched well enough to win, as did Stras today. Yesterday we were lucky, but in general, we have been somewhat unlucky, as, for example, when Haren pitched well but got out-pitched, etc. We are easily as good a team as Atlanta, there is nothing to fear as long as we don't dig a deep hole–and we haven't, so far. Just need to put the pieces together and have run of good luck, and we'll catch up. If I understood FP correctly, Stammen has in essence gotten a promotion to be the 7th inning guy, at least until Mattheus gets back. It will be interesting to see how he does at it.

  271. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    and I don't think LaRoche is a good clean up guy. His BA is too low. new lineup when harp is back:Span, Rendon, Desmond, Harper, Zimmerman, Werth, LaRoche, Ramos/Suzuki

  272. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    We can be good if the team has the flexibility to adjust to injury/slumps. We don't have the bench or the extra bat to adjust to inevitable adversity. So agree we need more luck and health.We did have options for the bullpen and when made gave the team outstanding results. I don't see that with the offense.

  273. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    LaRoche just seems to be the ultimate streaky hitter. The inconsistency drives me nuts. Good pitching? Bad hitting Score runs? Leaky pitching.

  274. karlkolchak - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    Another_Sam – I don't QUITE agree…this is a .500 team until Harper gets back and proves to be fully healthy. Of course, that is the BIG if right now. The club has been downplaying his injury all along, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he misses the rest of the season. In which case, you'd be right.

  275. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    swami, the only "young hitter" in that situation is Solano. Every other hitter on this team should know what he needs to do in a bases loaded no out situation of a tight game. Unless something unexpected happens, like a pitcher gets injured for the other side and suddenly they are facing unfamiliar guys for several innings, they should (and I believe do) formulate the game plan in pre-game meetings. Another exception would be if Eck (or anyone else) notices something about the pitcher that is different, such as a different release point, lowered velocity, lack of control, etc., that might cause them to alter the game place. If it is a hot day and your plan is to wear the starter down and get to a weak middle reliever (as Werth likes to do), but you can see that isn't going to work because the starter is throwing bullets, then you alter the plan to go first-pitch hunting. Alternatively, if you are facing Kershaw and the plan is to be aggressive to get his FB early in the count so he doesn't get you with the curve, but you see he isn't throwing the curve for strikes (ie, having a bad day) then you DO want to wait and let him come to you.Bottom line, as Span said, these No. 4 and 5 pitchers (like this guy today) should NOT be beating us. But I don't have any idea what Eck could have said to Zim today that he doesn't already know.

  276. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    kk–have we heard anything on Harper. If I recall, he was supposed to be "re-evaluated" Friday. It will be very concerning if he is not activated for the home stand. If he is activated, I sincerely hope Werth and Span, especially Span, will show him some moves in the outfield. I continue to be amazed at how Span is always in the right place.

  277. DJB - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    This is just a really bad offensive team. The problem starts with the two players who have the largest contracts, Zimmerman and Werth. Neither player has the ability to be a cornerstone player. A good sign is our weakness against lefties. They just don't see the ball well. Zimmerman's power is also on the decline. There's no easy fix here. A new General Manager would be a good start, and then a more rigorous approach to assessing talent. We seem behind the times in seeking out foreign talent and using advanced metrics to find hidden gems. We either pick no-brainers like Harper and Stras, or high ceiling players with injury histories, like Giolito and Rendon. This is just a poorly managed organization. We lost this particular series in large part due to the decision to sit Rendon in the first game, which made no sense. But the offensive woes are deeper than that. Zimmerman, Werth, and LaRoche are just not good enough. The stats don't lie.

  278. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    If the Rox can hold it together for one more inning, they will hang another loss on Colbert. Jhoulys Chacin could go complete game shutout. Wow!!! Amazing catch.

  279. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    It appears RZ is on pace to have a typical RZ year which is pretty darn good… .275/25 Hrs/95 RBIs.350 OBPIf anything, he doesn't have as good a cleanup hitter behind him. Last year Morse and ALR hit much better than ALR today.

  280. Section 222 - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    It was good to see ALR disgusted by the play of the team. He knows time is wasting to get it together. You can't win a division (or win a Wild Card berth) by playing .500 baseball week in and week out.I've been thinking about Span and the run he didn't score. The issue is not whether there should have been a stop sign or whether he should have run through it. The ball was hit hard, and a stop sign was logical in that situation and of course he needs to pay attention to the 3B coach. So up to that point I have no problem with Jewett's call or Span's play. The issue is whether Jewett should have reversed his call and sent Span home at the first sign that the ball was being misplayed, or Span should have been looking back at the outfield once he saw the standup stop sign on so he could notice a misplay and take advantage of it. And of course, we suspect Span's foot was bothering him, making it impossible to turn the speed back on if he was able to get an instruction from Jewett or notice himself that the ball was loose. I'd have to review the replay to see if it's possible to see where Span was when the misplay occurred and whether a reversed call by Jewett would have been effective, but I have a feeling that if Kobernus had been put in to pinch run (which would probably have been a good idea anyway), we might have tied the game on that play.

  281. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    jeffwx, yes, that's true, but OTOH, Desi is better and more consistent. I think Davey would move him up, but he wants ALR to break up the string of RH bats. That is another good effect of having Harper back. Not only is he a great hitter, but he is a great left-handed hitter.

  282. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    Well the Yanks are collapsing…up 6-0 in the 9thnow 6-4 over Angels against Mariano

  283. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    222, agreed. I'll mark that against Davey–I was thinking Kobernus as soon as Span hit himself in the foot. If Davey is not alert enough to use pinch runners in these situations (and we've seen it before) then Knorr needs to step up.

  284. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    yes, good point NL, Harper does provide the power hitting left hand bat that the team desperately needsand now 6-4 against Mariano 1st and 3rd, Trout on deck…

  285. Drew - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    I hope this difficult month has taught Bryce the importance of his health to this ball club.We need Roy Hobbs, not Roy Hobbled.

  286. SCNatsFan - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    NatsLady, I give you credit; after every horrible outing you still see a silver lining. I find that admirable and love your outlook.

  287. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    from 6-0 in the 9th to 6-5 with Mariano still on the mound…1st/2nd Trout up.So it aint over till its over in this grand game

  288. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    Fillies lost, but they did get a run. Yanks are in deep trouble. The scrubs and subs overperformed for about two months but that was more than you could expect. Texeira lasted what, two games?

  289. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    SCN, I try. Not giving up unless we are mathematically eliminated–and I don't expect that to happen.

  290. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    yep…the greatest reliever in baseball history against the greatest hitter of the last decade Pulouz up bases loaded 6-5, 2 outs in 9th

  291. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    The mighty Pulouz has struck out against Mariano with the bases loaded.

  292. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    Bottom 91.Mike Trout doubles (21) on a ground ball to left fielder Vernon Wells.2.Albert Pujols walks.Pitching Change: David Robertson replaces CC Sabathia.Coaching visit to mound.3.Mark Trumbo singles on a line drive to right fielder Ichiro Suzuki, deflected by pitcher David Robertson. Mike Trout scores. Albert Pujols to 3rd.Injury Delay.4.Howie Kendrick strikes out swinging.Offensive Substitution: Pinch-hitter J. B. Shuck replaces Chris Iannetta.5.J. B. Shuck walks. Mark Trumbo to 2nd.Pitching Change: Mariano Rivera replaces David Robertson.Coaching visit to mound.6.Erick Aybar grounds out to first baseman Lyle Overbay. Albert Pujols scores. Mark Trumbo to 3rd. J. B. Shuck to 2nd.7.Alberto Callaspo singles on a soft line drive to right fielder Ichiro Suzuki. Mark Trumbo scores. J. B. Shuck scores.Offensive Substitution: Pinch-hitter Brad Hawpe replaces Brendan Harris.With Brad Hawpe batting, Alberto Callaspo advances to 2nd on defensive indifference.8.Brad Hawpe singles on a soft fly ball to left fielder Vernon Wells. Alberto Callaspo to 3rd.9.Peter Bourjos singles on a fly ball to left fielder Vernon Wells. Alberto Callaspo scores. Brad Hawpe to 2nd.Coaching visit to mound.10.Mike Trout walks. Brad Hawpe to 3rd. Peter Bourjos to 2nd.11.Albert Pujols strikes out swinging.

  293. DJB - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    Jeffwx, what I'm saying is that those career numbers are not good enough for the resources tied up in him. His career OPS is around 830, good but not great, especially for a power-premium position like third base. Moreover, that OPS is skewed to the years before 2011, when he had more power. Part of this is due to injury, which Rizzo was aware of before giving him the extension, and part has to do with a hole in his swing, which is obvious to anyone but Zimm fans. Werth has a career OPS of around 821, again good but not great. Instead of averaging his performance and taking into consideration his age, the Nats bet he would continue at his 2009 pace, which he has not lived up to, obviously.

  294. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    Incredible.

  295. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    Albert Pujols…my spanish is bad

  296. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    yes, DJB, as a nats senior exec recently said, we have 2 100m million dollar contracts, but no 100 million dollar players.One can argue, you have to sign Zimmerman, like the Yanks had to sign Jeter. Baseball is also a business and Zimmerman is part of the teams marketing strategy to our region.

  297. jeffwx - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    yes, NL, when we lose a 6 run lead, at least it takes several innings ๐Ÿ˜‰

  298. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    Another team that was projected to walk away with their division.Jeff Wilson โ€@JeffWilson_FWST 1mRon Washington speaks to #Rangers after sixth straight loss. Elvis Andrus says manager wants to see more energy.

  299. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    jeffwx–LOL!! Good one.

  300. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    "effwx, what I'm saying is that those career numbers are not good enough for the resources tied up in him. His career OPS is around 830, good but not great, especially for a power-premium position like third base. Moreover, that OPS is skewed to the years before 2011, when he had more power. "I really don't understand your hate for Zim. He had 25 HRs last year, the second most of his career. 2012 was after 2011. And almost all of those came in the second half of this season. He started off kind of slow again this year, but he's been hitting more homers regularly as of late. I believe 6 of his 8 home runs are in the last 2-3 weeks. He'll finish with his normal 25 homers.Zim's power is fine. He's 28, not 35. He's not declining (except maybe defensively).

  301. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    Did any of you hear what Rendon said about his promotion to the majors? Basically said, the pitchers are better, but it's not like the plate gets any bigger in the big leagues. They still have to throw it over the plate. The strike zone is the same. If he can command the strike zone, he just tries to barrel it up when it's over the plate. I found it interesting.

  302. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:04 PM

    Even though Zim has made some interesting throws while he is still rehabbing his shoulder, he is still fun to watch on defense. His defense as a whole is still there, his throws are getting better. Still more f those in our future, I fear, but the man can pick it with the best . Mr. Met, David Wright air mailed one today. It happens. Even more after recent shoulder surgery. Thought maybe I saw one of those today by Cle??

  303. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    David– keep Eck away from him!!!

  304. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    come on Zim is still the FOF and he's fine, still dealing with shoulder issues and his throwing is an issue (see steve sax) but he can still hit. all good players go thru some periods where they struggle just unfortunate that its happening to Zim, ALR and Werth at the same time, we need to string together some wins, get healthy which means getting Harper and Ramos back & we "should" be fine…there you go, a dose of optimism, wow, that was tougher than I thought, do think we need to be within 4 or so at the ASB.

  305. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:10 PM

    We are ranking with the Mets and Marlins in offensive categories, and yet we hover around .500. Probably should be grateful.

  306. DJB - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    jeffwx, don't you think shutting down Strasburg also showed either a misevaluation of talent, or some other factor beyond winning? The stated rationale was that we would be back soon, which obviously doesn't seem as certain now with our current level of talent. Did he shut down Stras to keep him as a marketing tool, even if it did cost them a chance at the World Series? If so, I have problems with that.

  307. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    I just thought of another thing to be sunny about. Many of the wins we piled up last year, especially in the early part, were due to Stras' pitching. Now, I 100% agree with the way he was handled, pitching on a regular schedule, the shutdown, etc. HOWEVER, this year, he has already had one DL stint–non-arm-related. The effect of that is he rested his arm for two weeks, at least not going full-bore. Even moreso for Detwiler. I'm not saying either injury was faked–certainly not Strasburg's unless he is a much better actor than he shows in the Toyota commercials. But he may last longer, he will last longer, into October if carefully managed. We need the rotation to function seamlessly from now until the AS Break. Offense may not be great, but just enough.Then, if Morse is still healthy, Rizzo will get him back as a 3 month rental.

  308. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    "Then, if Morse is still healthy, Rizzo will get him back as a 3 month rental."Don't see that happening.

  309. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    which–Morse staying healthy or Rizzo getting him back?

  310. David Proctor - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    Both, but I was talking about Rizzo getting him back.

  311. Clip&Store - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:29 PM

    @Natslady: both.These hitters should be ashamed of themselves. Outside of Rendon they are all embarrassing themselves and this team and letting their pitchers down big time.

  312. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Why not? The M's won't need him, they are going nowhere fast. They'll take some cash and a prospect.

  313. paul brandt - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    NL, if Rizzo rents Mikey, its to put butts in the seats but hope you're right and if it happens, i hope it works.

  314. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Harper's week of rest is dobe in 12 hours.What is the new plan. The knee should no longer be swillen

  315. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:31 PM

    They aren't going to re-sign Morse, and they are unlikely to make him a qualifying offer for fear he might accept. Why wouldn't they trade him?

  316. mick - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    watched the games with my kids this Father's day, decided not to post during game my observation 3rd and 6th inning, no outs, runners on the corner, big guns are up…not one of them could at the very list hit a fly ball sacrifice. when i said that our players are average, i meant it. ALR' DP and his lack of effort to run it out, almost made me turn the TV off..I wish I had now so i dd not have see, bases loaded no outs and no runs. also…Doc… I do not know you, never have seen you post before…you said I was like Pericand was I born from the same Father..really?? Peric personally attacks people, i do not and never done this… Your post was uncalled for and i doubt you would like it if I asked if you and Sandusky had the same Dad

  317. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    I really do not feel that we have a bad team. Losing Harper has been huge, switching Espi and Rendon , and re- doing the bullpen have been key. Days like today– that many hits, being given gifts that are squandered and not scoring at all– is it really possible for that to keep repeating itself? I mean, inches and a ball gets through that today ends up a DP. Seems like the odds are that some of these things have to go the other way at least sometimes. Sometimes Bob Davidson calls a balk and you score.

  318. mick - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    Nats are simply a 500 half ass baseball team…no excuses today, team was not facing Cy Young

  319. Clip&Store - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    I mean, i would like them to do it (asap) but i doubt it will unless he doesn't mind not playing everyday when Harper is back. Its not his decision but he can't be angry either. I think it would be a good move actually, and should be able to get him extremely cheap

  320. mick - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    baseballswami3rd and 6th inning today says it all

  321. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    paul b–agree on the butts in seats, Morse still has a lot of fans around here. You don't have to put him in the outfield, he can DH, pinch hit and play an occasional game at 1B (which is what the M's are doing now, they seem to have given up on the RF experiment.) Not saying it's a certainty by any means. If all our hitters are healthy AND productive, he wouldn't be needed.

  322. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    I don't think Rizzo would do it until late July for that exact reason–Morse won't be willing to be a part-time player with his free-agency on the line. Unless it's for a short period of time (3 months) and for a contender.

  323. mick - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    These hitters should be ashamed of themselves. Outside of Rendon they are all embarrassing themselves and this team and letting their pitchers down big time.AGREED ALR is worse than he was in April

  324. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    However, Morse must know his future lies in the AL as a DH/1B. If he can help a contender and show off his big bat at the same time, I think he would be happy.

  325. mick - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    let me add Eck has to go, just to change things…the man is stealing his pay check

  326. mick - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:40 PM

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  327. mick - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    AGAIN…3rd and 6th inning, no outs, runners on the corner, big guns are up…not one of them could at the very least hit a fly ball sacrifice.

  328. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    We make way too many pitchers look like Cy YoungEck leving coyld not hurt, so lets try it.

  329. baseballswami - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    Mick – I agree. If it's only on the players then why have a hitting coach at all? Sometimes it's not that the person has a wrong message, or isn't working hard– it's just time for a fresh look, a new voice. I have said this before– in any other organization, any other major league city, the coaching staff would be on the hot seat and would be questioned. Happens every season. Managers and coaches go– new group, new voice, new approach. Again– if they have zero effect on the hitters, then why are they paid?

  330. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    The rookie plays like the club pro, and the old pros play like clueless rookies. Maybe the club pro should give the other guys some lessons in how to swing the club.Do you realize that Rendon took only 4 swings today? On his first swing, double to the LF corner. In his next AB, his 2nd swing is a clean single to right. In his 3rd AB, his 3rd swing is a line single to right, with Span on 2nd base, but Trent holds Span at 3rd base. In his 4th AB, with an 0 and 2 count, Rendon took his 4th swing and finally missed one, striking out.Four swings, 3 hits, 1 XBH, and a clutch single with a man in scoring position. The Nats need Harper hitting behind the club pro, who is now 18 for his last 39. Zim and ALR did not deliver in the clutch. Once again, the club pro got nearly half the team's hits, all by himself (3 of the 7).And Strasburg, like Gio, pitched well enough to win. The staff holds the bad guys to 2 runs, you should win the game.

  331. NatsLady - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    I wonder how the hitters feel about Eck. Of course they say everything polite about him in public. But you know McCatty rules the pitchers with an iron hand. Sometimes on other teams you see the manager go out to the mound, but you never see that here, it's always McCatty and he straightens them around 9 times out of 10.

  332. UnkyD - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    My gold standard for Manager/Head Coaches will always be Joe Gibbs, and here's why: He cut his teeth n the Air Coryell staff, and came here wanting to throw it all over the place. Then…0-5. So he took a step back, and started pounding Riggo-all the way to a championship, the next year. Later, when he had a stable of WRs, and Big Arms, he threw it all over the place. A great leader gets the most out of what's available to him. Davey needs to see that we can win by manufacturing 2-3 runs, most nights, and letting his awesome pitching carry the day. More judicious ABs, sacs to advance runners… It's not as sexy as hairy-chested three-run HRs, but we'd be in first place, in spite of our (sometimes) sloppy D. Get your head in the game, Skip…

  333. mick - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:58 PM

    thank you swami….on a positive, Rendon is one hell of a player!

  334. DJB - Jun 16, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    My problem with the Zimm and Werth contracts is that they blocked talent progression. Ideally, Rendon should be at 3rd, and Zimm traded at the end of the year for a power 2nd base and young arms.

  335. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    DJB…..very interesting post…I wonder if Rizzo would consider it?

  336. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    Harper out has nothing at all to do with the 3rd and 6th inning…nothing at all

  337. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    bottom of order was so bad, Nats should have conceded 3 outs every time they batted. swinging at first pitches, sharks, typical soft ground out to second or first, etc.. bottom of order is not even fun to wtach

  338. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:08 AM

    tomorrow, I am afraid Lannan will get justice…Haren will surrender at least 2 HR's and Nats will be in 3rd place by Thursday evening.

  339. baseballswami - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    It is going to be quite interesting to see what happens , not all that long from now, when the Johnson era ends. Will a guy who is more of a disciplinarian have a clubhouse revolt on his hands? Is it time for us NOT to have a character who tells hilarious stories, changes his tune a lot , reveals private things to the press? When the guys are asked about him it is like this — don''t you just love playing for Davey? What do you say? I wonder how it really is. Does he have a good handle on things? Does his World Series or bust lack of a filter get old? I mean- this is going to be quite a adjustment.

  340. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    swami…good pointsI think Nats need a fire cracker of a manager who number one, looks like he cares, has a clue about what is going on in the game and most important will tear into the ass of any player who under performs privately.

  341. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:16 AM

    Davey has NO PASSION it seems…he was a great manager at one time, will be in the Hall of Fame, but now he is at the bottom…the game has passed him by…he cannot motivate and his loyalties are to the wrong players and coaches, plain and simple

  342. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    Friday night, Earl Weaver or Billy Martin would have kicked dirt on that lazy ass 1st base umpire to at least show his players he cares and is involved in the game and most importantly, that he hates to lose. Where was Davey???

  343. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:19 AM

    >tomorrow, I am afraid Lannan will get justice…Haren will surrender at least 2 HR's and Nats will be in 3rd place by Thursday evening.Nats are going to CRUSH Lannan, eke out a win against Lee, clobber Kendrick. Lincecum is going to pitch a perfect game tonight. ATL is going to lose two games to the Mets and the Nats will be 3 games over .500 and back 3.5 games by Thursday.

  344. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    OK, maybe not a perfect game, but a no-hitter.

  345. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    I hope you are right…but Lannan has a score to settle. Honestly, would you put any money on Haren tomorrow?

  346. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    I'm not fearful of Lannan…. I'm fearful of Haren… But I think we win and start the series on a bang… We had an opportunity to win the series… Just played dumb baseball today and Friday…

  347. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    Not much. But I'll put money on Davey having the world's quickest hook and Ohlendorf doing OK.

  348. David Proctor - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    The absolute WORST thing Rizzo could do is bring in a tough guy manager. That's not who these guys are or what they need. I understand they're struggling, and if you want a different style of manager okay, but if you get clashing personalities, that never ends well.The coaching philosophy may need to change, but the clubhouse is something Davey handles very well and I would not mess with that by bringing in a different character.

  349. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    Buck would be the perfect manager for this team…can the Lerners talk him into leaving Baltimore? lol

  350. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:25 AM

    David not now, I mean next spring, a Showalter type

  351. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:25 AM

    DP–agreed. They already have Werth who is plenty tough on the young guys. You don't see a lot of scandals or clashes in the clubhouse, at least not in public. You hear a LOT worse about other teams.

  352. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM

    I actually only think this club needs a pitching coach and 3rd base coach…I don't see where/how Tracy earned a start today… Just becuz he hit the Hr yesterday, he is still like 2 and whatever.. And still has a horrible OBP and batting average… Rendon is nice and I can't wait until he and Harp are in the line up together… I like Span a lot, he may not be there in the offense the way we like buthe has saved us a lot with his defense… But he and Jayson need days off…I don't get as upset about the swinging strike outs but standing there with the bat on your shoulder is when I get upset…

  353. David Proctor - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    The only clash I can remember since the beginning of last year is Soriano/Harper and that was very quickly diffused.

  354. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    MrsB loves the NatsI only think a new batting coach period…I think Cat is OK and I have no problem with Jewett…he was right to hold rendon and Lombo's play was on Lombo

  355. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    No thanks to Buck…Kinda weird peeps harping on Lombo… He is what he is… A good utility guy and that's it… People screamed for him to start and now they are ready to send him away…That's kinda laughable… He was/is better than Espi, with a broken wrist/messed up shoulder… Not too many aren't better….

  356. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    100% agree–No thanks on Buck. The LAST thing these guys need is a kick in the butt. They are already pressing too hard.

  357. David Proctor - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    The issue with Lombo is it was something completely in his control. You should never go further than the defender (the 1B) in that situation. On a line driver, you go back to the bag. Lombo just froze. That was unacceptable.Lombo isn't why we lost the game, but these boneheaded mental mistakes are getting old.

  358. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    Jewitt is clueless…. He has contributed to a number of losses this year… I didnt see the game but it seemed as if Span was hurt, so why didnt Kobernus PR for him….Idk, but we had like 3 chances today and didnt cash in on any of them…The Nats deserved to lose…

  359. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    These ESPN announcers are IDIOTS. They hate on Lincecum so much, as if no one else ever gave up a run in the first inning.

  360. David Proctor - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM

    How about Werth for player-manager?(kidding)

  361. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    Dont need a Davey type, they have not responded at all to that.

  362. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    DP, I suggested that long ago. And I wasn't kidding.

  363. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:35 AM

    I can't remember who (David, 222, or MNF) that have the link of the condensed games on MLB.comJust wanted to say thanks… I will look at the condensed game tomorrow morning or so…I keep freaking out becuz the board is reading est and I'm in cst… Totally all over the place…But David – I will take your word on Lombo and the play… We've done that to others and got it done to us…

  364. David Proctor - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:36 AM

    Manassas Nats' Fan said…Dont need a Davey type, they have not responded at all to that.June 16, 2013 8:34 PMYes they have. They won 98 games last year. There are never any clubhouse issues. You can disagree with Davey's gametime decisions, but I don't see how you can disagree with his clubhouse management. There have been no issues at all.NatsLady, that would be quite something wouldn't it? I think he could do it, but wow would that be risky.

  365. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:38 AM

    But with all this said, I know we are better than 500… I actually think the Nats are lucky to be at 500 with the way we have played (very inconsistent) and with the rash of injuries and with a different line up almost every day….But beat the Philth…. And all will be right in the world….

  366. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:38 AM

    He won't do it, because he has to focus on playing. But maybe when he is on the bench in a couple of years…Player-managerhttp://ladyandthenats.blogspot.com/2013/02/a-player-manager-in-our-future.html

  367. baseballswami - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    Please keep in mind that Lannan will be on his first start in a long time. How long will he go? Will he be rusty? Band box? And I also am really looking forward to seeing Rendon and Harper in the lineup together. Hope it's soon.

  368. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    Uhm – I may be the only one but I'm hoping they can and will get Bo Porter… I was highly upset when Bo left….

  369. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:41 AM

    I actually think C Tracy will be a good coach… I've seen him discuss the game with players before games at Nats Park… He's a smart guy…

  370. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:41 AM

    Bo would be fine, but he cast his lot with Houston, which is his hometown, after all. Stros win a game sometimes–like today.

  371. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:44 AM

    When we have 2 strikes and man in sxoring position we need to cut the swing enough to control it more to keep from striking out. We swing even harder on 3rd strike. Thst is hitting approach.John kruk says that the reason the Braves K so much because they don't swing at many hittable pitches. We do the same thing when RISP

  372. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:45 AM

    Uhmmmmm. Did I read that right? Fish took 2 of 3 from the Cards???

  373. baseballswami - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:45 AM

    I still think it will be the relatively unknown, not dramatic Randy Knorr. He raised a lot of these babies and took them to championships. I have been watching the dugout interactions and he seems to be doing all of the communicating, interacting and being the liaison . Start watching. Davey is not moving around much or talking to others- Knorr is relaying everything and quite active during games.

  374. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:47 AM

    Marmol at it again. Wait'll the Cubs see Henry.

  375. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:47 AM

    MNF – braves seem to hack and everything… Their philosophy looks like 'I have a 50/50 chance of hitting or missing….'

  376. David Proctor - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    Espinosa 0-4 with 2 K's today. He can't even hit AAA pitching right now.

  377. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    Hey, Danny took a walk. So did Tyler Moore–and he struck out 3 times.

  378. paul brandt - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:52 AM

    NL, look at you @ 819pm, i like it but have to agree swami & mick bring up good points re. Davey. I hit the roof the minute he said "WS or bust" and in the next breath said "this is my last year." that puts un-due pressure on a young team and is a distraction! IMO Davey has mis-managed the club from day one THIS year…the country club attitude in ST, his absurd need to play Espi for games on end when Rendon was an able substitute. Love the Nats but sometimes changes are needed…we all know Davey is leaving after this year so why not do it now to shake these guys up & take Eck with him.I would hire Chipper as the new hitting coach – can you imagine the advantage we would have when playing the Barves? and given they are the team we are chasing & likely our only hope for a playoff berth, why not?ok, i will leave now, i know these are off the wall suggestions but man, we are a .500 team and we shouldn't be!

  379. David Proctor - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:55 AM

    It's a bit of hindsight to say Rendon was an adequate replacement all along. Rendon NEEDED to play some minor league games. He's played like 70 games down there. Even Harper played well over 100. I even think he benefited a lot from going back down and mashing after his first stint. Also, Chipper would NEVER take the hitting coach job. He's already been getting hatemail for helping LaRoche.

  380. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    I wonder what the Tigers would look like if Cabrera and Fielder and Verlander would to miss some time… I wonder how they would look if they hadn't had the same line up since Game 9…I wonder what the Braves would look like without J Upton and Freeman and Gattis….Not excusing the poor play but when your big bats miss significant time, you get the results we have seen, or worst…

  381. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:59 AM

    Uhm… Chipper as a hitting coach – No… I honestly don't think he really helped… Adam has always started off slow and then heated up… It happened again this year… It was just magnified becuz Chipper talked to him too…. I actually think it was a coincidence….But if Eck were to be replaced tomorrow, I wouldn't cry…

  382. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:01 AM

    Y'know, I for the life of me don't get the "country club" criticism of spring training. It used to be–long ago–that guys had off-season jobs, or if they didn't they came to ST out of shape. Nowadays, your pro athlete trains year-round. ALR has a gym and full-time trainer on his ranch. They don't come to ST out of shape. This year, because of the WBC, the schedule was longer, and your main goal was to keep guys from getting injured, which we SUCCESSFULLY did. Then, a couple of weeks before the season started, Davey said they would have to ride the bus to away games, vet or not, and they all rode. Then, we swept the first series in with Miami, which doesn't suggest a bunch of guys sluggish and out of shape. Moreover, Davey managed, the 2012 spring training EXACTLY the same way, when we were 14-4 out of the box. I ain't buying it.

  383. baseballswami - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:02 AM

    I would be in favor of Chipper- instant street cred. He has said that he wants a job like that and you have to start somewhere. And the Barves would be sooo mad!! He did not seem to care that they were upset. If he ever coaches, that whole team thing will go out the window anyway. Coaches have to let that go. Professional hitter please.

  384. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:04 AM

    William O. Douglas Loeffler said…Yep. Doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom. What an idiotic comment. There has scarcely been a single comment on here that I would characterize that way. I still think the Nats will win the division, but you can't give away games just in case you have to play for the wild card. I have been on here for two hours and there have probably been about two comments that were excessively negative.The most annoying thing on this site are the idiots calling everyone else the Legion of Doom. Make your point, if you have one and make it factual.I just read this post…THANK YOU, so well said..there are those in here who care more about fans saying negative things that are TRUTHFUL than they are about this team winning…name calling, calling people legion of doom, losers, chicken littles, etc…I think they are really projecting.

  385. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:04 AM

    Anyway, spring training is 90% for the pitchers. And 10% to see if there are any rookies or minor-league signings with anything to offer.

  386. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:06 AM

    don't know about chipper or anyone else, i do know that there is No reason Eck should remain employed

  387. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:06 AM

    Yeah, NL, I was about to say… Nothing has really changed from last year, especially ST.. We did the same thing last year…It's amazing how close the team stats are so parallel to last year's… We didnt score many runs but our record was better… But it is disappointing that the tribe saw our 3 best pitchers and we were only able to win 1 game…

  388. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:07 AM

    I posted a question a few days ago…no one answered…what is Eck's philosophy on hitting that Davey says he is 1000% behind…anyone?

  389. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:08 AM

    NL @ 9:04 – so what happened to Haren…. Smh

  390. paul brandt - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:08 AM

    DP, re. Rendon, not a chance he could have been worse than Espi, dude was a black hole in the line-up. Re. Chipper, i know its a reach and was more tongue-in-cheek but we are close to that type of desperation, don't you think?. Eck should just leave his silly notebook behind, tell the team how to find his "notes" and stay in the hotel.

  391. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:10 AM

    MrsB–in spring training, you mean? Or in general? Haren was supposed to be building up his arm strength. I guess–not enough. Every week he said he was building up, LOL.

  392. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:11 AM

    paul brandtgood post, what amazes me is that there are people who still defend Espi and Davey sticking with him for as long as he did and they would still play him over Rendon, then again there are people who think the Earth is only 5000 years old, lol

  393. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:12 AM

    PB said 'Eck should just leave his silly notebook behind…'====Bwahahahahahahahaha, I'm dying laughing… Lol…lol… Hahahahahahahah…I hate seeing him and that damn notebook.. Pointless.

  394. David Proctor - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:12 AM

    NatsLady said…MrsB–in spring training, you mean? Or in general? Haren was supposed to be building up his arm strength. I guess–not enough. Every week he said he was building up, LOL.Well his velocity is up. His command, not so much.

  395. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    NL – I was talking about Haren in ST… But it was tongue in cheek.. I don't care for Haren… I figure every game he pitches, we lose…

  396. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    the only glass half full scenario I see with Haren is as a reliever or as part of a trade in July

  397. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    It seems like every other team has a good 3rd base coach (watching the braves game) except us… I just really don't like Trent Jewitt…

  398. baseballswami - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    I would love to see them all set aside one series where there are no stats, there is no notebook- you watch the game, watch the pitcher and the hitters before you, and you go up there and hit. Could not be any worse results than we are getting now.

  399. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    They just intentionally walked the bases loaded in ATL. THat will lead to either Lincecum walking a run home or a slam. LOL.

  400. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    I figure every game he pitches, we lose…that is an accurate statement , no legion of doom in that at all….just reality…Davey and Rizzo seem to be having a Twilight Zone moment when it comes to reality

  401. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    And they got the double play. SO obviously, I know nothing…

  402. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    Wow… Giants got the ground ball dp they were looking for…

  403. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:18 AM

    Swami – I would like to see in game adjustments as well.. No notebook(s)… Maybe McCatty can also talk to the batters to let them know what he sees…Just something…

  404. paul brandt - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:20 AM

    MrsB loves the Nats said…PB said 'Eck should just leave his silly notebook behind…'Bwahahahahahahahaha, I'm dying laughing… Lol…lol… Hahahahahahahah…Mrs B, thx for the love & I am laughing more at your response than my post! and for the record, Mrs. B is not my mom, i don't think…Bwahahahahahahahahaa!yay, Mrs. B, we can laugh after that game today! life is good but gosh darn come on nats bats!

  405. David Proctor - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:20 AM

    I assume we lose every Haren game too. That way when he occasionally wins, it's a pleasant surprise rather than another disappointment.

  406. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    `I bet the Giants feel the same about Lincecum. How about getting some RUNS you lazy west coast BUMS?????

  407. David Proctor - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    HAHAHAHA, NL. So true. Although it's sad to see what's become of Lincecum.

  408. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:24 AM

    Paul – I'm telling you, every time I see Eck in that damn notebook, I want to throw something… Like dude, what are you looking at… LOOK AT THE PITCHER…. Imma start taking shots every time I see him and that notebook… I swear for his nose to be in it so much, I haven't seen where our situational hitting isn't better… I'm not understanding why we didnt have more pop ups today and sacrificial hits/bunts…. Ugh…Today's loss was simply dumb….

  409. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    Eck's notebook is like Linus' blanket…security for a lost and clueless coach

  410. mick - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:28 AM

    I know…stop Mick, legion of doom…its early, hot goalie…injuries, etc…sighhhhhh

  411. NatsLady - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:31 AM

    Turtles!!! I guess he didn't trap it.

  412. paul brandt - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:38 AM

    and re. Eck has anyone ever seen him talk to a batter before or after an AB? maybe his style is to do so behind closed doors but man,if you are a hitting coach, repeat hitting coach, you should be talking non-stop to each & every batter before & after each AB (within reason), whether it be feedback, instruction, in the underground cage, etc…have never seen it with Eck…could be TV is not showing it but I doubt it. With the offense (or lack thereof) that we have seen, it should be non-stop interaction…otherwise, why is he here?

  413. Caps Fan - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    "paul brandt said… and re. Eck has anyone ever seen him talk to a batter before or after an AB? maybe his style is to do so behind closed doors but man,if you are a hitting coach, repeat hitting coach, you should be talking non-stop to each & every batter before & after each AB (within reason), whether it be feedback, instruction, in the underground cage, etc…have never seen it with Eck…could be TV is not showing it but I doubt it."Do you see pitching coaches on other teams doing this? I don't think so. In fact, I don't ever recall seeing a dugout shot of any team where a hitting coach was talking to a hitter before and after his at bat. Geez, they'd have to put up a sign saying take a number for faster service.

  414. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    Davey does seem a bit laid back after games, but do you know why? It is because he has a better perspective than the average fan. He has been involved in thousands of games and he knows that quirky things happen all the time in baseball over 162+ games. Bob Costas made a great comment about the Mets' excessive celebration after their "walk-off" victory (is there any other kind nowadays?). This is not the NFL and one game lost is close to meaningless in a sense.Another thing we all are guilty of is trying to impute meaning to an outcome in baseball. The Cards beat us in game five–it is because they have experience or because they are built for the post-season or because (add your own in here).No, the Cards beat us because there was an umpire with a generous hitter's strike zone and because they had good hitters who made up an early deficit. They went on to lose, to the Giants.Over and over, we see incredible victories in baseball followed by numbing losses. The random element to the sport is huge. That doesn't mean we didn't play a lousy game today. We did and it still perturbs me,

  415. paul brandt - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:06 AM

    caps fan, not pitching coaches…but rather hitting coaches and yes i have seen hitting coaches talking, discussing, in the dug-out, namely Mark McGwire…instant feedback i think would be good after an AB & maybe its happening, just have not seen it.

  416. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:09 AM

    Giants have had their opportunities tonight… I didnt realize they were only 35-32…

  417. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:19 AM

    Wow… A successful suicide squeeze.. DJ, are you watching?!?!???

  418. paul brandt - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:23 AM

    MrsB., can you confirm but looked like a safety squeeze to score that 3rd run for ATL…correct? i was in between channels.

  419. MrsB loves the Nats - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:40 AM

    Of course I can't rewind the TV… But it looked like a suicide to me… But it may have been a safety becuz the runner looked like he was home as soon as the ball was on the ground…I just know it worked and it instantly pissed me off thinking about today and the score…..

  420. paul brandt - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:45 AM

    mrsb, thx, good commentary!

  421. Scott Margenau - Jun 17, 2013 at 3:40 AM

    Harren has a better record than SS, so don't count every start as a loss.

  422. Laddie Blah Blah - Jun 17, 2013 at 9:57 AM

    "It's a bit of hindsight to say Rendon was an adequate replacement all along."No, it isn't. Many on this blog were calling for it as long ago as the AFL season last fall, including yours truly. That is called "foresight," not "hindsight." Sticking with Espinosa when they had a prodigious talent like Rendon was the worst management mistake since the Nats relocated to DC.

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