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Game 92: Nats at Phillies

Jul 11, 2013, 7:46 PM EDT

Mark Zuckerman / NATS INSIDER

They hit four homers and knocked out Cliff Lee last night, so the Nationals have to like their chances in tonight's series finale against Kyle Kendrick, right? Well, not necessarily. Though they've historically had success against the Phillies right-hander, they were thoroughly dominated by him only three weeks ago, held to one run and two hits on June 19.

The good news: Jordan Zimmermann starts for the Nationals in his final tune-up before next week's All-Star Game. The right-hander has been brilliant all year, of course, though his last two starts haven't quite lived up to his usual lofty standards (seven runs, 14 hits in 11 1/3 innings).

I am not in Philadelphia for the series finale at Citizns Bank Park. Had to hoof it back to Bethesda for tonight's episode of The Baseball Show, which airs at 11 p.m. on CSN. Hope you'll tune-in, and hope you'll enjoy the conversation here as always…

WASHINGTON NATIONALS at PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES
Where: Citizens Bank Park
Gametime: 7:05 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500), XM 187
Weather: Partly cloudy, 85 degrees, Wind 7 mph LF to RF

NATIONALS (47-44)
CF Denard Span
SS Ian Desmond
LF Bryce Harper
3B Ryan Zimmerman

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539 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. sjm308 - Jul 11, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    I know people will be clamoring for Ramos and he has been terrific but I think you get him to stay strong by giving him several days off a week. I realize Suzuki is not hitting but we certainly are not going to have a drop off in defense this game.It will be interesting to see how each week is divided now that Ramos is truly on a hot streak.Go Nats!!

  2. Knoxville Nat - Jul 11, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    A bit surprised that Davey has Werth batting in front of ALR. While I realize that Werth has been hot at the plate I would have thought DJ wanted to continue with the L,R,L,R arrangement as much as possible.Oh well, it's all good and hopefully KK of the Phoolies will serve up several balls in play and limit the number of K's on behalf of the Nats.

  3. Eric - Jul 11, 2013 at 7:52 PM

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  4. Eric - Jul 11, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    Werth was ahead of ALR last night, too, yes? Either way, I agree it's surprising…

  5. A DC Wonk - Jul 11, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    ok, first: GYFNG!First?!A few questions/comments from the last threadWater23 said… Also, I really like Aoki as a 4th outfielder. Huh? Is he available? Why would they ever want to trade him? What could we trade for him?NatsLady said:Sorry, Wonk, but this will delay my series on the Opening Day Starters, which I know you like.Oh, goodness, don't apologize! That's a heckuva lotta work, even more so when you're not getting paid to do it!JD asked:I did a filter on rookies and Segura didn't show. Are you sure he's a rookie?No, he had too many plate appearances last year (163) to qualify. I think the limit is 130.

  6. Don - Jul 11, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    Suzuki has hit Kendrick well in the past. They need this game tonight, Glad JZim is on the mound. Go Nats!

  7. Don - Jul 11, 2013 at 7:59 PM

    The whole L-R-L-R stuff is overrated. You face 5-6 inniings of a starter. You try to score as many runs as you can against that guy. You can adjust the matchups later to deal with releivers (after your best lineup has knocked the SP out, hopefully).

  8. Section 222 - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:03 PM

    Hope one of the beats asks Davey about the lineup. Werth hit fifth last two nights against the lefties Lee and Lannan (Davey used to move Morse ahead of ALR in the lineup against lefties too). But against a RH pitcher, I think this is a first. Does Werth have really good numbers against Kendrick or something? Or maybe Davey is superstitious and wants to keep the same order (sans Ramos) that scored runs last night.

  9. natsfan1a - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Go, Bulldog! Go, NATS!!

  10. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    sjm, agreed about giving Ramos some days off. I am surprised Davey is leaving Werth in the 5 against the LHP but it also gives more seperation between the 1, 3 and 6 spots now if they go with Bastardo.

  11. JaneB - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    I agree that alternating Wilson and Kurt helps them both. I voted forever for Ian but it didn't seem to help much. I hope they have the brains to put him on the team anyway, because he can help them. But in the near term I hope we hit Kyle enough to give him nightmares. GYFNG! ESF!

  12. Section 222 - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    JD mentioned in the last thread that Espi is improving in Syracuse, not striking out as much and even had 2 XBHs yesterday. He suggests that Espi might replace Tracy on the bench if he keeps it up for another week. I think he might have been joking about it just taking one more week of good hitting for him to come back, but I think it would be a mistake to bring him up and have him sit on the bench. If he's really figured things out, he ought to keep raking at Syracuse to get his confidence back and lock in the adjustments he has made, until he's really needed here because of an injury. He's certainly not the LH bench bat we need for a playoff run.Don's comment on LRLR reminds me of something I was going to ask yesterday. Did Cholly just have a brain freeze when he decided to bring in a lefty to face Chad Tracy, allowing Davey to bring up Hairston instead?

  13. Get Your Re(n)d On - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Once they lost Espi from the lineup, a straight LRLRLRS through the order was no longer possible. So it makes sense not to cluster all the lefthanders in the top five spots. Ergo, LaRoche moves down. It ain't rocket science.

  14. Tcostant - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    sjm308 just remember that Ramos will get four days off next week during All-star break. We need to win games right now, so I want Ramos in there expect for those day games after night games.

  15. Janus - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    Also, since Rendon has replaced Espinosa, our starting lineup (with the regulars in) will always have a R-R in there somewhere. If we bat LaRoche in front of Werth that just means we'll end up with R-R-R at 6-7-8.

  16. Another_Sam - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Please, please please let this be the start of a roll.Play ball.

  17. Janus - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Oh dang…

  18. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Section 222 said… Did Cholly just have a brain freeze when he decided to bring in a lefty to face Chad Tracy, allowing Davey to bring up Hairston instead?Yes, big brain freeze but it turned out to be a non-factor. Cholly has made some horrible decisions in the series and if not for the ineptitude of the Nats hitters in the 8th and 9th inning on Tuesday and most of the game on Monday, the Nats would be up 3-0.

  19. andrew lang - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    Where's the Birthday Boy hiding today? Yes, you Jack.

  20. Section 222 - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    A non-factor? Hairston hit a sac fly. Think Tracy would have done that? I don't.

  21. Eugene in Oregon - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    NatsLady @ 4:20 p.m.,Thanks for the link to the Joaqim Soria piece; for those who haven't read it, it's not so much about Mr. Soria as about the need for caution by GMs in valuing relief pitchers (for the long-term, at least).

  22. UnkyD - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    Tcostant: I want Ramos to get the rest he needs…every week. His knee was WRECKED, a little over a year ago, and I would give him at least 2days off, every week, for the rest of the year. Suzuki is an excellent b/u, and will hit, with more rest…

  23. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    Sec222, I think Chad Tracy could've made a productive out but I should have put a wink next to my sarcasm 😉 again.

  24. JD - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    Sec222, I just think that if Espi can regain the form he had late last year he is head and shoulders better than either Tracy and Lombo. Why wouldn't you want the best team possible?

  25. Tcostant - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    I read the Joakim Soria.Make me think of the Cheif and makes me worry about Storen.

  26. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    I believe Ramos will play about 60% of the time.The two will play better due to this.

  27. JD - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    Productive out = oxi moron

  28. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    JD, Espi needs to play most days. Do you think he would be a distraction pouting on the bench? I have visions of him pouting when he got those 1st days off earlier in the season when Lombo replaced him.

  29. Eric - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    "Did Cholly just have a brain freeze when he decided to bring in a lefty to face Chad Tracy, allowing Davey to bring up Hairston instead?"Bob and FP certainly did when talking about who we had available on the bench at the time. They listed Bernie, Lombo, and Tracy, and I was like, "No love for the new guy, eh?"

  30. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    Yesterday I said we needed 5 runs, but reality our record when we score 3 or more is incredible. When we score 3 or more runs our record is 42-10 over 81%.

  31. hiramhover - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    Even when Espi is in good form, he's better (higher BA, more power) batting righty than lefty, so they're unlikely to see him as a LH bench bat to replace Tracy.And as others have pointed out, he's better off getting the regular playing time in the minors, anyway.

  32. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    The real problem we have had 39 games where we scored 2 or less.

  33. JD - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Ghost, I'm assuming Espi has done some serious soul searching riding the buses around up state NY. I think he would be very motivated to just prove he can hit at the big league level again and if he does he will get a full time job somewhere next year. I am not a psychologist so I may be all wet but I am just looking to have the best 25 on the team.

  34. Section 222 - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    JD, by late last year, I guess you mean before September and the playoffs. :-) Well yes, if Espi can return to his 2011 form, he'd be a huge improvement over our current bench, even over Hairston. I'm sure not going to argue against that. I guess where we differ at base is what he needs to do to show that he is indeed that player. Again, I don't know if you were kidding or not, but a week or two of decent play definitely isn't going to do it for me. Some people here started talking as if he was fixed when he went on a 3 game hitting streak. In Syracuse. Come on! I don't know what Rizzo's threshold will be but with Rendon playing as well as he is, I assume he'll be in no hurry to bring Espi back just to replace Lombo or Tracy on the bench. And then there is the clubhouse chemistry issue, which I don't feel at all capable of assessing. Honestly, I'd want to see a solid month of consistent hitting, with lots of XBHs and power, before I would call him ready. And I don't think it would be unreasonable to let him play in AAA for the rest of July and August dand bring him back for September.

  35. baseballswami - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    I think we are lucky to have two catchers who have value. I feel that Zuke is better at knowing the pitcher's minds and being their shrink. I feel that Ramos is better at reading the opposing hitters, and provides more offense. Zuke seems to hit better when he is used less. Win- win.

  36. bowdenball - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    Manassas Nats' Fan said…"The real problem we have had 39 games where we scored 2 or less."You act like (1) this is an ongoing problem, and (2) 39 is a lot more than anyone else has had.The offense is better than it was in May and June. We've only had two such games since Ramos returned, and we scored two runs in both. By the way the Pirates have had 34 such games, and the other NL contenders have had between 27 and 30. So it WAS a problem, yes. Production from LF, 2B and C were also problems. Those probably aren't problems any more, so I'm not sure if games where we score 2 runs or less will still be a problem.

  37. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    I exactly thought of Storen when I read that article about relievers. Some people have the opinion that his inconsistency is "mental" but what if it is a warning of reliever flame out?

  38. Section 222 - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    Interesting Fangraphs piece on the 50 most valuable trade commodities. Dave Cameron's new list will come out next week, so in this piece he looks back at his list from last year. Bryce was at #2, Stras at #8 and Gio at #21. No other Nats on the list.

  39. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    Tampa has made their move in the AL East and are in 2nd place. How quickly things change and doubt they are trading David Price until they are out of it or into the off-season.

  40. MicheleS - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    NatsJackHAPPY BIRTHDAY

  41. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    Derek Jeter injured his quad in his first game back. I don't have any problem with being careful with Ramos. A day off is better than a month off.

  42. Tcostant - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    I think your on to something Natslady…

  43. Section 222 - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    It's not just about what's best for Espi it's also about what's best for the Washington Nationals.On that we definitely agree!

  44. baseballswami - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    I think at this point we probably need Lombo's varied skill set on the bench. He can literally play anywhere, and at one point was the emergency catcher. I just do not think Espi can handle the bench or hitting a few times a week, and one of those is probably a bunt.Especially if he has just retooled his swing. I think we see him in September, barring injuries.

  45. Section 222 - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    Ghost, interesting point about TB. Carp and FP were talking last night like the Phillies are definitely sellers. The guys on MLB Tonight were all arguing that they are too close to getting into the race to blow the team up at this point. The second WC has definitely increased the number of teams who don't want to give up before the trading deadline.

  46. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    Ruben Amaro Jr. has floated the idea of the Phillies not only not being sellers, but being BUYERS. That would be one of the more stupid things he has ever done. The Phillies are not built to contend.

  47. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    This Reds/Braves series is good for us because the Reds are the only team ahead of us in the WC race and the Braves obviously in the NL East. No matter what, we should gain ground (assuming we don't lose every game)

  48. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    Stephania Bell ‏@Stephania_ESPN 3mSaid it before but bears repeating. There's no way to simulate real games in rehab. Always ramps up a bit more, muscle strains common.

  49. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    Thanks Michele!

  50. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Freddie Freeman won the final vote.

  51. JD - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    Sec222, Amaro has had this delusion for a few years now. Most pundits recognized the fact that his best players are either past their prime, prone to repeated stints on the DL or both. That team as its constituted will always hover around .500. If he is smart he starts converting players with serious value into future assets (Lee,Utley,Ruiz). Or he can just let their value continue to plummet ALA Halladay, Howard and Rollins. Works for me.

  52. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    James Wagner ‏@JamesWagnerWP 6mDavey on no ejections this season for arguing calls: "I'm in a slump." … "Maybe the first inning Sunday."

  53. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    Dan Brooks ‏@brooksbaseball 6mI just want to point out that Puig has swung and missed more times than Marco Scutaro has over the last 2 years. Combined.

  54. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Section 222 said… It's not just about what's best for Espi it's also about what's best for the Washington Nationals.——————–On that we definitely agree! July 11, 2013 5:04 PM That's the post of the day along with the birthday messages to NatsJack!

  55. JD - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Tulo is still on the DL right? Won't that mean that Desi may get a spot anyway? It's a shame he is out as of now but Freeman is a deserving all star and the short stops selected are all having very good years too. So really not much cause to complain.

  56. hiramhover - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    Re: AmaroWhy are folks assuming he really means what he says? We don't do that with Rizzo.Better to ask not whether it's truthful, but why Amaro might think it's useful. To pump up his fans and players, maybe; to signal to other GMs that he won't be holding a fire sale, so they better make him good offers, etc.

  57. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    Yeah but Tulo is on rehab assignment I think.

  58. JD - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    Happy birthday NatsJack.

  59. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    David Proctor said… Freddie Freeman won the final vote. Is that right! Soup-prize Soup-prize!

  60. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    hiramhover said… Re: AmaroWhy are folks assuming he really means what he says? We don't do that with Rizzo.Better to ask not whether it's truthful, but why Amaro might think it's useful. To pump up his fans and players, maybe; to signal to other GMs that he won't be holding a fire sale, so they better make him good offers, etc. And that's the correct analysis. You don't piss off your fanbase. You also don't let other GMs know you are in sell mode as you quietly listen to offers.Cliff Lee has 2 years of $25 million contracts left. The Red Sox will do that deal.

  61. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    Cliff Lee also has an expensive option for 2016.

  62. baseballswami - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:42 PM

    I think it would be totally irresponsible for Tulo to go to the ASG, and not just because I think Desi should go. He is not even back to his major league club yet. His team needs him healthy and his team should come first. I don't ever remember a player going who was at this state of rehab this close to the break.Bochy will be scared to death to play him and so he is a wasted spot. There is no way he can be full strength to the point where he can help the NL win.

  63. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    Re: Cliff Lee–wouldn't Texas also do that deal, especially now with Yu Darvish on the DL (though they are saying it's not serious). But the longer they wait, the fewer starts Lee makes for another team.

  64. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    If we winn 3 of next 4 we will gain 3 gaims combined on the 2.

  65. Section 222 - Jul 11, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    I totally agree that the Phillies should sell. While they have a very outside chance of making the playoffs, if they stick with their aging stars they'll have no chance next year or the year after. Even Michael Young has some value right now because he's having a good year. Plus, I just love the idea of the Phillies selling. Hahaha.Thanks for the POTD nomination Ghost, but "Buckets of Bold" still wins my vote.

  66. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    FWIW:JIM BOWDEN Almost final all star snubs: Donaldson, Longoria,Balfour, Bruce, Puig, Desmond, Strasburg

  67. JD - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    Hiramrover, I am judging Amaro's actions as much as his words. By keeping his core in place and by bringing Michael Young in he acted as if he had a contending team. He doesn't. When you have an aging team it's always best to start rebuilding a year too early rather than a year too late.

  68. JD - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Ghost, It's interesting that the Red Sox dumped salary last year in that deal with the Dodgers and now they are primed to add salary. I think they even surprised themselves with how well they have performed this year.

  69. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Tulo is on rehab, but. Who knows.

  70. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:50 PM

    My impression is that Michael Young is a terrible fielder (confirmed by fangraphs). There must be some place for a bat-only player…

  71. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    I saw Seattle score 7 runs and I thought maybe Morse was back, but not yet. That ship may have sailed now that Rizzo got Hairston.Morsehttp://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130709&content_id=53232550&notebook_id=53234746&c_id=sea

  72. JD - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    NL,In the American league.

  73. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    I would be shocked if the Red Sox don't get Cliff Lee but as NatsLady said, the Rangers will be on him too. I just don't see them giving up the prospects this time. The Red Sox have plenty of cash.

  74. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:56 PM

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  75. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    http://mlb.mlb.com/visualization/all_star/y2013/final_vote/Culbertson Texas likes them some Ian Desmond. How come the former Montreal Expos farmhand didn't get his Canadian friends to back him up?The entire Southeast below Northern Virginia was almost all Freeman. Amazingly Baltimore and most of Maryland was Ian Desmond.

  76. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    ERIC AND DEUCES AND NATSLADY: Please see my response re HTML in the last post. I'm not going to re-post it here, but it's relevant to you three, if not the rest of the group.

  77. natsfan1a - Jul 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    Happy b'day, NatsJack. I hope you get a win. :-)

  78. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    Sec 3, I read it but I have NO CLUE what you are talking about, sorry.

  79. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 11, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    Sorry, NL. I'll go back and try again.

  80. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 10:42 PM

    Sec 3. OK. Start with telling me why you are giving me this information?

  81. Knoxville Nat - Jul 11, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Happy Birthday NatsJack……..39th once again?

  82. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 11, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    NL, if it matters to you how relevant google thinks your site is on the topic of Nats baseball, or other search terms like that someone might use to find you on google, then SEO (Search Engine Optimization) is a way to help google know that your site is relevant and legit, and it is more likely to give your site higher up the list. For instance, I just googled the term Nationals baseball," and Mark's blog here came up third, which is pretty good. If search engine ranking doesn't matter to you, then nevermind.

  83. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:02 PM

    *correction, I searched for "Nationals baseball blog"

  84. baseballswami - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:02 PM

    Game time!!!!!

  85. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    Sec3, I put in for laughs Nats Outsider and this blog still came up near the top at #3

  86. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    Braves tore Kendricks up last weekend, so lets hope the Nats do the same.

  87. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:09 PM

    Thank you Utley

  88. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:10 PM

    Makes up for it.

  89. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    Good one, Ghost, that's funny! I got it fifth just now. Which is still pretty good.The NatsOutsider twitter page, and the CapsOutsider, among other things, came up higher for me.

  90. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    From Amanda: "Desmond was not named to the team this year, with Rockies shortstop Troy Tulowitzki earning the starting spot via fan vote, Brewers rookie Jean Segura named as a reserve and Padres Everth Cabrera earning San Diego’s only selection when the teams were announced last weekend."Segura seems to be called a "rookie" but as I think we determined technically he isn't a rookie as he surpassed the limit for ABs last year.

  91. JaneB - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    Happy Birrthday, NatsJack! May you get a nice fat, easy-peasy Curlie W for a gift!Natslady, scary article. I immediately thought of the Chief and Storen. I guess only Mo is a bionic closer, and even he is in his last year (of many decades, but still…)I hope the coaches pick Desi. What a class guy and great player he is. And he's OURS!

  92. Rabbit34 - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:18 PM

    We need somebody hitting 4th who can hit the ball. Even if it's for an out. Give the darn thing a chance. Strike-out mania, here we come.

  93. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    Geeez, HORRIBLE send. Brown had the ball when Harper was still two steps from third.

  94. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    Yikes he was out by a mile

  95. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    Ung…. Why did Jewitt send Bryce…. Ugh…

  96. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    I'm wrong. He was safe. Look at replay.

  97. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    Secondary lead must have been poor as no way Harper should be thrown out on a not real hatd hit to left.

  98. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    Adam Kilgore ‏@AdamKilgoreWP 31s1. Good send from Jewett with two outs, regardless of outcome. 2. Harper looked safe on the replay, by press box consensus.

  99. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    Opportunity blown there.

  100. Scott Margenau - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    Was that a bad jump? How did he not score?

  101. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    He was safe by a good bit too.

  102. jeffwx - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    harper safe ump had a perfect view

  103. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    Harper was safe. Part of the problem that slowed Bryce down was trying to keep his helmet on. Those split seconds cause problems. Replay would have made that call right.

  104. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    OK, I take it back. That was a decent send, considering Harper touched home before he was tagged. Bad call at the plate.

  105. Amr Khani - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    Absolutely awful call. It was actually not hard to see in at full speed.

  106. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    David Proctor said… Yikes he was out by a mile July 11, 2013 7:21 PM Only in the ump's mind.

  107. Scott Margenau - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    Bryce does not look so good since injury, nor month prior. #concerned

  108. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    My goodness on review the call was not close. Where isDavey. I am tired of him lettings ump screw us.

  109. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    MNF, Davey going out and arguing isn't going to make the ump change his mind. There is no replay in baseball…although there should be.

  110. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    Sec. 3, My Sofa said… OK, I take it back. That was a decent send, considering Harper touched home before he was tagged. Bad call at the plate. July 11, 2013 7:23 PM Two outs and it has to be a good throw. Good send. Like I said when you see the replay Bryce puts his left arm on his head to keep his helmet on and it still flew off. I truly believe that slowed him down.

  111. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    Did Davey go out there to argue the call?

  112. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    Worse part of the call ump was in position, if his vision is not good enough when ib good position then he is in wrong profession.

  113. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    I truly believe that slowed him down. I don't doubt it. There's a reason people knock them off; it's not just to look cool.

  114. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    Doug McKinney‏@FPDougieFresh6m Oh wow #Nationals get hosed by another HP umpire. Even Philly beat writers call Harper safe haha

  115. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    Davey did not go out.

  116. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:31 PM

    Sec3, interesting. Kerwin Danley blows calls all the time.

  117. Amr Khani - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    Eventually that play is going to be reviewable, and it needs to be. If you're going to review home runs, you eventually will review all run scoring plays. Frustrating because it actually wasn't really a tough call.

  118. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    Davey not backing his players is ticking me off.Get out thete Davey.

  119. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    I love baseball… But I think there has to be some type of review of scoring plays that has to happen in circumstances like that…

  120. Ishmael - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    It was obvious live — the tag was on his chest. No way henwas out.

  121. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    Did Harper argue?

  122. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    How come we cant get M. Young out?

  123. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    Through 2 innings last games Kebdricks gave up 3 runs 5 hits.Third inning lets start hitting him too.

  124. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    He snarled and shook his head in disgust.

  125. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    Manassas Nats' Fan said… How come we cant get M. Young out? I was thinking the same. They have a spray chart on him and he is hitting them in the Right Center field gap and right where that ball went.If you pitch him outside then the Span and Werth aren't playing him in the right spots.

  126. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    My eye sight us bad enough I could not tell live, but was clear on replay, and the ump should have better eye sight then me.The ball beat him the tag didn'.As I said reporters need to wuiz Davey on his lack of action.

  127. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    He is being pitched outside.He is my type of hitter, goes with the pitch.

  128. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    Span, what are you doing?????

  129. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    That's an unacceptable play by Span.

  130. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    Uhm….

  131. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    That would be enough for me to bench him tonight.He is not the ump.

  132. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    I am so sick of stupid baserunning from Span I have steam coming out of my ears.

  133. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    Didn't Swisher do the same thing the other day? These guys must be really tired.

  134. Amr Khani - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    That's ridiculous. First of all, the bunt is generally a terrible play, but for a professional to do that is embarrassing.

  135. Scott Margenau - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    Span: U suck!!!! Get off my team u lazy lazy man.

  136. ExposedinDC - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    Ghost, I believe he was umpiring

  137. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:48 PM

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  138. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    Span wasn't being lazy, he was just not being smart.

  139. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    Well that would've probably been a double play if Span reached so it didn't end up mattering. Still an unacceptable play by Span.

  140. Scott Margenau - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    Ghost Of Steve M.July 11, 2013 7:47 PMI am so sick of stupid baserunning from Span I have steam coming out of my ears.We call it "red ass"

  141. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    Span- Lazy? Nah… Yeah, that was a bad play but he isn't lazy…

  142. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    No excuse for Swisher's crap either.Physical errors happen.But mental errors early in the game totally unexcusable.Still madder at Davey for his pitiful action in inning 1

  143. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    I don't get why you care so much if Davey goes and argues. The play stands either way.

  144. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    I would bench him for the game.

  145. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    Yes bad base running by Span… But Desi swinging on 3-1 right back to the pitcher would have negated him on base anyway… That's a dP ball…

  146. Scott Margenau - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    David ProctorJuly 11, 2013 7:49 PMWell that would've probably been a double play if Span reached so it didn't end up mattering. Still an unacceptable play by Span.What??!! He was only out by a step after stopping at Starbucks for a latte

  147. ExposedinDC - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    I think my sons little league team bunts better than the nats

  148. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    We already know plate umpire missed 1, but not that one.

  149. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    DJ going out wouldn't have mad a difference MNF…

  150. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    E was umping not playing.

  151. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Rockies activated SS Troy Tulowitzki from the 15-day disabled list.Tulo wound up returning a bit earlier than expected, missing just under a month of action after being assigned a 4-6 week timetable when he fractured a rib. He's at shortstop and batting cleanup Thursday against the Dodgers.

  152. Scott Margenau - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Oh…I got ya DP. My bad. But can't look at it like that. Desi could have jacked a double decker in hindsight

  153. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    Results the same.Besides not scouting young they haven'f scouted Revere either.

  154. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    Not lazy, simpky not running until he knew if fair or foul. Terrible bsseball playing.

  155. Nats 128 - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    Revere does what Span hasnt done most of this series. Go oppo with a nice level swing.

  156. ExposedinDC - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    Guess that means he is going to the ASG wouldn't you think NL ?

  157. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    To plant the seed that we are one. It wont change the call but you never know.

  158. Nats 128 - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    This just cant happen. Davey doesnt have the cajones to pull Span right now. With the pickoffs and doubled off the bases this is just another brain freeze by Span. When he throws his glove down on the ground he will then complete the brain freeze turn back the clock. I thought after Nyjer left we wouldnt have to witness this stupidity again.

  159. David Proctor - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    Span hasn't been picked off in months. He'll never throw his glove down, he's not Nyjer Morgan. That was an unacceptable play, but let's not get crazy.

  160. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    And…. Here we go…

  161. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    Read why above.

  162. NatsLady - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    Esxposed, yes. And from his interview, it doesn't sound like he minds that much. Go see his family, rest.

  163. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:58 PM

    Span pulls way too many.

  164. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    Depends on how he feels after the next few games

  165. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    Dan Kolko‏@masnKolko11m Complete brain fart by Denard Span. Bunts one off the plate and decides not to run. The result is an easy 2-6-3 double play.

  166. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    He has not Nyjered in the field at all. Just on offensr.

  167. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    Span isn't Nyjer period… That's an insult really… And I liked Nyjer a lot…

  168. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:02 AM

    Is that acceptable for a Beat Writer like Kolko to write "brain fart"?

  169. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    MrsB, who is it an insult to? 😉

  170. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    It's an insult to Span of course… And I was a huge Nyjer fan… I used to defend him like there was no tomorrow…Everyone has brain farts… And yeah I think it's acceptable for a beat writer to say brainfart… Gotta call an ace and ace. Or a spade a spade…

  171. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    They didnt scout Werth

  172. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    Espi with a HR

  173. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    Love a good battle between a pitcher and a batter… Love it even more when our batter wins that battle…

  174. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    Werth is locked in….

  175. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:07 AM

    I HATE WHEN LAROCHE SWINGS 3-0

  176. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:07 AM

    Now cash it in.

  177. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:07 AM

    Hahahaha…. Ghost, tell us how you really feel! *wink*

  178. ExposedinDC - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:08 AM

    Tony Plush……..Denny Flush

  179. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:09 AM

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  180. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    Well…. At least we are battling and are getting Kendrick's count up…Need to score some runs next inning…

  181. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:12 AM

    Wasted opportunity

  182. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:12 AM

    Nats not cashing in on the opportunities.

  183. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:12 AM

    Argggg wasted opportunities again.Keep pitching Zim.Kendricks 66 pitchesAlso an error by CVotto satarted Braves Rally in 2nd.

  184. JaneB - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:15 AM

    I'm still mad about the ump calling out Bryce when he wasn't out. And at Davey for not getting mad about it. You argue it to let the guy know he better not make another mistake again. I guess I'm cranky tonight.

  185. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:16 AM

    LaRoche is hitting in a small sample size .333 in 3-0 and .455 in 3-1 in a larger sample size.

  186. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:16 AM

    It's possible Davey let the umpire know his mind from the dugout. I know in the Taylor Jordan start, the Nats were yelling at the ump from the dugout about the strike zone.

  187. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    Votto ties it

  188. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    Nats get another break, take advantage it! PLEASE!

  189. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    Oh no, there you go Nats. The Phillies are trying to hand you the game.

  190. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    Second time the Phillies have thrown out the lead runner on a sacrifice.

  191. NatsLady - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    Told you Michael Young was a terrible defender. Youza, another error. Not the best bunt, JZ.

  192. TexNat - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    ESPN shows that Utley made two throwing errors on the same play earlier this game. Is this actually true? If so how in the world did he manage that?

  193. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    Well that was a disastrous inning.

  194. Knoxville Nat - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    That bunt seemed to have died in the dirt at home plate. Should the scorekeeper give an assist to the grounds crew for that?

  195. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    Another doubleplay for Span. Sheesh. Steam just coming from my ears.

  196. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    I believe they gave Utley both a fielding error and a throwing error, TexNat.

  197. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:25 AM

    Sigh…. We need to take advantage of these opportunties….

  198. ExposedinDC - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:25 AM

    Holy crap the Nats don't play small ball very well

  199. TexNat - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:25 AM

    Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks, DP.

  200. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:25 AM

    Denard Span sucks

  201. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:27 AM

    You can't squander opportunities at the rate the Nats are and make it easy on yourselves.

  202. Amr Khani - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    Just looking at the replay again, think about how awful that call at the plate was considering where Ruiz tagged Harper. It is physically impossible for Bryce to be out if the tag was made on his waist (which is where it was). The only way it could possibly be an out is if Harper was tagged on his feet in front of the plate. You would think an umpire major league umpire could logically figure that out.

  203. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    Revere doing it and our centerfielder is embarrassing himself.

  204. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    Even if we win this game, we'll have gone 9-5 against the Mets & phillies (away) and the brewers & Padres (home)….and it's the best ball we've played since the first week of the season.

  205. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    ok, now this game is really ticking me off.and pedrocerrano, span does not suck.

  206. ExposedinDC - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    That folks is what a well executed bunt will do for you

  207. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    sorry, denard span sucks (except at home against RHP)

  208. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:33 AM

    I assume Barbaro is tge one who cant teach bunting.Phillies execute the bunt correctly, and Zim throws a fsstball down the middle and Revere hits the otger way and a run scores. Small ball works.As for Span take note, nitice most of Revere',s hits go to center or left. Bsrbaro needs to ride him.

  209. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    Who the heck is Barbaro. Did I miss something?

  210. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    Obviously he used neitger his eyes or logic making the call.

  211. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:35 AM

    Tyler Moore just hit a Grand Slam at Syracuse.

  212. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:35 AM

    agree with some prior posters, Davey needs to get out there and kick some tires…umps know when they make mistakes and have a way of evening it up but it's the manager's role to remind them of that…happens almost every other play in the NBA…not saying he should get tossed but be more visible on some of these garbage calls.

  213. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:36 AM

    David you missed the message yesterday on Barbaro .Not sure which of suggested the name.

  214. Knoxville Nat - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:36 AM

    Small ball is just not a priority to DJ and the Nationals. I'm not saying it should be the focus of their offense however when the bats are sleeping, like they have often this year, small ball getting a run here and a run there could turn some of our losses into curly W's.

  215. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    David, can the Chiefs send a little Offense to the MLB club?

  216. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    Dont have to stress small ball, just do it when tge situation calls for it.

  217. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:38 AM

    Phillies more errors than Nats have hits.

  218. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    Aww I thought Harper got all of that.

  219. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    Now get Harper home

  220. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    Thought that was gone….

  221. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:40 AM

    Thank you David for the triple.

  222. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    nice job Zim

  223. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    Thank you David for the Sac Fly.

  224. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    Good job Ryan…

  225. SCNatsFan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    I fully supported Span but my patience is running thin. Had to get Harper in. Delmon Young hands us one.

  226. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    He was just as out the second time as the first

  227. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    Great salvage job of what started out as a wretched AB

  228. Amr Khani - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:43 AM

    Glad he was called safe.

  229. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:43 AM

    LOL Amr!

  230. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:44 AM

    Bad break for Werth. He's really barreling everything up.

  231. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:45 AM

    What are the Phillies 4 errors?

  232. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    Bad luck. We hit one off Kebdticks and its an out, they hit one off zim and tge hitter eventually scores.We dont advantage if thir issues, they took advantage obe bad luck play

  233. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:47 AM

    MrsB loves the Nats said… What are the Phillies 4 errors?I know 1 was signing Ryan Howard to that long-term contract.

  234. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    MNF, the way the ball bounces some nights……

  235. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    David you missed the message yesterday on Barbaro. Not sure which of suggested the name.It was me, and he's not the one who whooshed on that, MNF. Sorry. I get a two-minute minor for Unsportsmanlike Subtlety.Barbaro is a dead horse. The dead horse being beaten in that case was Werth's contract.

  236. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    Speaking of balls bouncing, JZim's failed bunt.

  237. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    Utley causing 1b to drop Span's pop, utley kicking ALR. hit, tgemn Utley tossing ball away so runner went to third, m.young throwing Suzuki's hit to 3rd away.

  238. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    What a time to pull out the changeup JZim!

  239. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:50 AM

    Whew, I thought Brown hit that one out.

  240. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:53 AM

    thank you Delmon…big inning boys.

  241. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:54 AM

    I was off eating dinner, so I missed it, but Span not running out a foul-whoopsie-fair ball! bunt is a fine-able offense, tho I doubt I'd bench a vet for one misjudgement. On the other hand–I LOVE watching him play center. Even on that double, he knew immediately where that ball was going to hit. He gets the best reads of anybody I've seen. If only he could do that when HE was hitting.

  242. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:54 AM

    3rd time through the order, Nats need to take advantage.

  243. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:55 AM

    It appears LaRoche has suddenly gone cold again, although he is still hitting over .300 since May 1.

  244. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:55 AM

    David, can you send some more Chief runs to the Nats?

  245. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    We cant hit off speed pitchers. Well

  246. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    bring in Ramos right here.

  247. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:57 AM

    Well Danny Espinosa also hit a solo homer for the Chiefs. They're up big.Let's see if that works?

  248. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:58 AM

    WHY CAN'T THE NATS BARREL THIS GUY UP!!!

  249. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 12:59 AM

    Zuk needs to make it happen here.

  250. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:00 AM

    i agree. Ramos PH would be my play

  251. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:00 AM

    NatsJack, maybe the Nats didn't have an aggressive BP today.

  252. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:01 AM

    I just want Zim to get on base here so we can "turn the lineup over" and avoid span leading off next inning

  253. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:02 AM

    Happy Bday NatsJack!!!!!!

  254. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:02 AM

    No, Bob, they are NOT "saying he held it long enough." There is no such rule in baseball. The 2nd base ump is saying he dropped it taking it out of his glove, which was the right call. Chase Utley, next time, let the ball hit the back of your closed glove. Deadens it just fine, never gets called.

  255. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:02 AM

    Because we swing too hsrd.

  256. nats guy - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:02 AM

    Hey Eugene in Oregon,I live in Corvallis. We are probably the only Nats fans in Oregon.

  257. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:05 AM

    If Cholly brings in the lefty Diekman, I wouldn't be shocked to see Davey go to Hariston for Span and then move Harper to center.

  258. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:06 AM

    Bad Stat in the series Nats are 2 for 20 in RISP. The one was Werths hit where Harper was called out at home.I am not sure our rank in RISP in the league, but i am guessing not near tge top.

  259. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:06 AM

    I guess we will see Hairston to leadoff the 8th.

  260. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:08 AM

    is there a reason Zim isn't playing the line there? give him a single, not a double!!

  261. nats guy - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:08 AM

    This is beginning to look like another Nats pooch job. Too many missed opportunities. Too much bad base running.

  262. Knoxville Nat - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:08 AM

    Phoolies going with small ball here?

  263. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    Watch out for the squeeze.

  264. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    I guess the no doubles defense by RZim not in effect yet.Small ball works again.When we learn to bunt that well. It rediculous we cant bunt.

  265. Knoxville Nat - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    Pitch out?

  266. nats guy - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:11 AM

    Nats don't do well when they get in a close low scoring game. AAnd there goes the game!

  267. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:11 AM

    Span refuses to dive for balls. Come on.

  268. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:12 AM

    Needed to k. Why a slider. Fsst ball low inside. Bad pitch selection by Suzuki.

  269. SCNatsFan - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:12 AM

    So done with Span. He was a mistake. Either way the run scores but now a guy on second.The 500 team keeps playing like it.

  270. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:12 AM

    "Nats don't do well when they get in a close low scoring game. "The Nats do VERY well in 1 run games. They're like 10 games over .500. What are you talking about?

  271. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:12 AM

    You have Frandsen 0-2, hows about a slider in the dirt if you have faith that Suzuki can block it.Frandsen shortens his swing and credit to him.

  272. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:12 AM

    Ghost, it hit him in the glove, no reason to dive, just catch it.

  273. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    Terrible game for Span.

  274. nats guy - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    Can't hit when it matters. Can't run the bases. Can't hold runners on base. Can't bunt.Fielding leaves a lot to be desired. Make bad pitchers look like Cy Young. Too bad.

  275. BigCat - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    79 pitches and we yank JZimm. Who we got coming in…..Gossage?Span gotta get that ball

  276. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    Span's obp back down to .312. That just isn't going to work. He needs to be at .330 or we need to platoon him.

  277. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    Had Zim been playing the line, we wouldn't be having this convo.

  278. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    Which our batters are terrible at doing.

  279. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    paul, you get down on it not a backhand shoestring attempt. You can't see the ball. Easier to dive and get it.Span just not getting it done tonight.

  280. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    the pain that this season has caused….

  281. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    One day they will compare the Alex Meyers trade to the Mets trading Nolan Ryan….but one blogger will remember we go a pretty good center fielder in the deal

  282. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    The Nats make all the mediocre pitchers in MLB look good.

  283. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    Not Span's best game but that was a sac fly either way….

  284. nats guy - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    When they are losing by one run or more at this point in the game they usually use.

  285. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    I agree

  286. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    I don't care if it was a sac fly, He turned it into a double. It was just as bad as the ball Harper dropped and for which he was ridiculed….

  287. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    pedrocerrano said… the pain that this season has caused…. Tell me about it. This has to be just 7 innings of frustration but again not helped by the ump.

  288. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    Ghost, one way or another, Span needs to make the catch but the run still scores but we agree that he has to make the catch…really hope he is not leading off the next inning, don't care who is pitching.

  289. TexNat - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    Seems like an early hook for Zim based on merely following the box score. Was he getting hit hard/laboring?

  290. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    Rzim, WTF

  291. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:18 AM

    Whew. I think Rollins beat that out. First bad throw by Ryan in a while.

  292. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:18 AM

    Zim, Zim, Zim…make up call?

  293. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:18 AM

    Stupid Phillies fans. They only recognize the calls that go against them. The game should be 2-2 but they want to bitch and moan as is their wont….

  294. Concerned American - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    4 errors and the Phillies are leading? Who is the Cy Young Candidate pitching tonight for the Phils?

  295. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    That was a make up call….

  296. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:20 AM

    All that aside, the run scores from third in any event. How that wound up a double, I'm not so sure, but you don't hold him to first with a diving catch, and there's no percentage in risking the ball getting through. And I do believe Jimmy was in fact out.

  297. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:20 AM

    on a positive note, Krol is impressive…7th inning, difficult spot, good for him.

  298. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    The right call made but RZim throws another rainbow lollipop. What the?

  299. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    We beat cy young candidates (Cliff Lee)…It's the other guys that is the problem.

  300. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    Replay shows out.

  301. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    I don't get this. Why not Scott Hairston for Span?

  302. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:22 AM

    Zimmerman was getting hit a bit in the 7th but deserved better. We might as well play the bench against Kendrick and Lannan.

  303. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    On cue, Span is out. Why do you give up an out there as almost an automatic out? What am I missing?

  304. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    why the heck was Span leading off Davey? makes zippo sense…so frustrating!!

  305. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    how much longer do you go with span leading off.he looks like a good number 8 in this series

  306. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:24 AM

    .257 and .311 for Span's hitting and batting averages, with an inability to bunt for hits or to sacrifice hitters and very few stolen bases of any consequence. You need to catch every single ball to offset that sort of offensive incompetence….

  307. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:24 AM

    wow a weak grounder from Span? Can't blame Davey for that, I was certain he'd put one in the gap.That missed catch in center field was huge. Even though the run scores anyways, Jzim would have been able to pitch all 8 innings tonight and rest the bullpen for Miami (who are off right now)

  308. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    Does the Harper missed call at the plate count for .7? Nah, didn't think so.

  309. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    Desi has cooled off too it seems…

  310. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    It looks like we are going right back down to six back.

  311. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    Well. We've got RZimm, Werth and ALR up against Papelbon. We've gotten to him before.

  312. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    OK, well, hold 'em here and maybe Cholly will bring in Papelbon. We can always hope.

  313. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    You trade for Hairston for that exact situation, why don't you use him there.

  314. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    Is there a worse offensive lead-off guy in major league baseball than Span?

  315. Section 135 - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    Be nice if any of the beat writers had the guts to call out Davey for his awful managing. Takes our hottest hitter out for Zuk. Keeps Span at lead off when he can't buy a hit.

  316. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    *sigh*1 -> DP.

  317. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    agreed…we hit formerly good pitchers well and currently bad pitchers poorly

  318. TexNat - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    Yeah, the failure to pinch hit for Span is hard to figure.

  319. Amr Khani - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    He needs to be dropped down. You can't have Span getting more at-bats than anyone else. This "prototypical leadoff hitter" stuff is nonsense. I'd prefer Rendon up there given his selectivity.

  320. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    Span is supposed to excel at hitting righties, but not tonight. They have to start platooning. He has sucked up four at bats tonight and each one has been horrible in its own special way….

  321. SCNatsFan - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:28 AM

    Ghost I don't want to hear about the umps; 4 errors and we have 1 run. Top of the lineup in the eighth and bastardo barely breaks a sweat. This team just keeps looking like one that expects to win based on last year.

  322. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:28 AM

    Scott Hairston 0-5 lifetime against Bastardo. Is that too small a sample size? I say yes. You got Hairston for a reason and Span is batting a buck 50 against lefties and lower against lefty relievers.

  323. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:29 AM

    Davey already cost this team wins by waiting for Espinosa to snap out of his slump. He can't afford to do it again.

  324. SCNatsFan - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:31 AM

    And we need to find where RZ gets moved because clearly his shoulder woes or yips are here to stay. Maybe move him to the OF, move Rendon to third and (I can't believe I am saying this) let Espi return to 2b. Span does not win games for us.

  325. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:31 AM

    Span had one year where he was the proto-typical lead-off hitter. I don't know if it was the concussion but he isn't the same player since. He doesn't get on by getting hit like he used to, 7-10 times a year. He rarely walks. He isn't effective on the basepaths. His moderate power has turned to no power and his bat skills are not very good. In sum, in spite of all the apologists who say over and over, Span is fine, or Span will be fine, when will that be?

  326. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:32 AM

    The inconsistent hitting is a mystery that's going to take them away

  327. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:32 AM

    The "Ryan to OF" contingent sounds suspiciously like the "Desi to CF" one.

  328. ExposedinDC - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:32 AM

    I miss the Wasian man……

  329. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:32 AM

    Davey's BS of an aggressive BP yesterday like I bought that crap. Just more of the same today.Your starter gives you 7 innings of 2 run baseball and you don't get the offense going against a lousy pitcher supported by 4 errors.

  330. Section 135 - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:33 AM

    Rizzo f'd this team up but Davey does the lineup. No reason Span has to lead off. What a joke. I hope the Lerners clean house after this disappointing season.

  331. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:33 AM

    You guys who keep harping about the errors. They weren't that kind of errors that guarantee a win or anything. We got a couple of bases here or there, but the main problem is no extra base hits except by Harper when the bases were empty since Span never gets on base….

  332. Knoxville Nat - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:33 AM

    Beginning of the week lots of people here were saying Nats take 3 of 4 from the Phils, it's not happening people.

  333. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    That's a big run. Rendon tried.

  334. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    great play, good throw gets him but can't pick on the kid for that.

  335. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:35 AM

    well wrong team, right numbers

  336. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:35 AM

    Expos, you needn't. Seems the regulars have taken his job off his hands.

  337. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:35 AM

    Notice how the Phillies always advance their guys. Span bunts into double plays, sigh….

  338. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:36 AM

    WODL, to be fair, the lack of hitting tonight has been a team effort

  339. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    OK, two to tie. Let's go get 'em.

  340. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    The saddest thing is that I wish I thought we had a chance to come back here, but it seems so remote as to be a whim.

  341. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    I say lets go with the double solo hr strategery

  342. Section 135 - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:38 AM

    I guarantee that if we get runners on Zuk still hits instead of Ramos.

  343. ExposedinDC - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:39 AM

    Swing for the rooftops boys

  344. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:39 AM

    At least we have this series to thank for the homer-to-the-dome .gif.

  345. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    Every time I think Span is finally about to show us something he comes back with something like this series. Is he pouting from being benched? He and Revere were similar going into this series and Revere has looked much much better….

  346. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM

    Why Ryan? 2-0 and you swing at that low in the zone strike?

  347. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM

    liking this papelbom guy….wonder why you swing at the ball low and away

  348. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM

    2-0 count and Ryan does that. That is why people criticize him. He appears to have many at bats that are simply not well executed.

  349. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM

    2-0 and he's swinging down 2? so dumb…high school teams don't do that.

  350. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM

    Well, even worse, FP says that was ball 3. smh

  351. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:43 AM

    Ryan Zimmerman just gave Papelbon confidence.

  352. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:44 AM

    That is on Zimmerman. Firing Eck is not going to get Ryan to change what Ryan wants to do….

  353. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:44 AM

    ok, he's looking wild again…be agressive and swing and miss

  354. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:44 AM

    That is the slider pitch in the dirt that JZim has to throw.

  355. ExposedinDC - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    Team schitzo is alive and well….

  356. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    I wish Mark would have an instant review even when not at the game.When we score 1 we are now 1-14When we give up 3 we are 5-8.Bottom line is simple. Our pitchers are not good enough as a team to make how poir our hitters are in scoribg runs. This game was won if zJzim throws a shutout. We did have 1 run.

  357. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    So I see Span is the whopping boy tonight…. Ugly at bats all night…

  358. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    Nats just made the Phillies buyers…watching them is just maddening.

  359. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    Dang, I hate losing to the Phillies.

  360. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:46 AM

    This season was ruined when Zim threw that ball into the outfield against atlanta. We were 5 games over .500 until that moment. Haven't made it back there since.

  361. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:46 AM

    I'm not going to stop being from being negative, because it's warranted after this performance. But keep in mind the Phillies beat us around some last year. Just one of those teams that always has our number.Still hurts though.

  362. Section 222 - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:46 AM

    1 step forward, 1 step back. Once again a .500 team. And Davey said they had another "aggressive" BP. Guess that isn't the ticket after all. Span is losing me. What a horrible game for him. Meh.

  363. nats guy - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:46 AM

    They're back.

  364. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:47 AM

    Mrs B. unable to provide an defense of Span's poor offense the whole year, so she attacks others for noting it….Ad hominem attacks are not cool….

  365. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:48 AM

    Mrs. B has not used ad hominems.

  366. TexNat - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    Its looking like the Nats "resurgence" was little more than catching a Padres team that was in the midst of a long losing streak.

  367. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    be patient against mediocore pitching with less command of the strike zone and foul off the junkbe agressive against good pitchers with good command.Agression doesn't work with pitchers who don't throw strikes.Eck must go

  368. Section 222 - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    pedro, I have to agree with you. That game was a turning point. We never really recovered our mojo after that game, or that sweep.Tonight's throw was an unwelcome reminder of Zim's erratic play. So much for him being ok by June, or by mid- June, or by the end of June.

  369. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    I wanted to know where Michael Young was during ALR's at bat. If nowhere near 3rd bunt was neccessay, but since those who could see didn't bother to tell us.He needed to be on bet.

  370. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:50 AM

    I mean really, having Span lead off the 8th after a crap game and vs. a lefty is just mind numbing! I know Mark isn't there but someone needs to ask Davey what the heck was he thinking…makes no sense at all!!! I need to go to bed before I break another remote…like Ray just said…I'm baffled!!!!

  371. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:50 AM

    I haven't attacked anyone… I've seen Span play great ball for a stretch and then go thru a slump… He is in a slump right now…I saw some pathetic at bats by EVERYONE tonight…But imma let you keep making Span the whopping boy for tonight…

  372. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:50 AM

    Oh come on people. Every 3B makes a wild throw sometimes. Ryan is still going to do it from time to time. He's been making his throws fine for over a month until today.

  373. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:51 AM

    It is an attack on the people making the argument and a failure to provide any evidence against their point.

  374. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:51 AM

    Thanks Ray for speaking the truth on Denard Span.

  375. Section 135 - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:53 AM

    I'd sell at the deadline. Offer up Span and Laroche. They are not part of this team's future. Better to build for next year. Need another power bat either in the OF or first base. Losing Morse was just killer to the offense. Span has been just awful. Can't keep trotting him out to get the most AB's. Laroche doesn't justify his contract and should be unloaded.

  376. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:53 AM

    Jeff @ 9:49 – spot on with some of it…All I kept thinking when we faced Lannan – look at the junk and we can't do nothing… Lee threw fastballs and we all of a sudden was giving out souvenirs…But tonight, we had our chances… Situational hitting wasnt there…

  377. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:53 AM

    Davey made his own mistakes tonight. Boggles my mind that he didn't pinch-hit for Span in the 8th.

  378. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:53 AM

    Once, again, no evidence or data. He has been around the same obp for several weeks. He needs to be dropped in the line up and all the apologists need to either provide evidence as to why he should lead off…And the term whipping boy is a ridiculous, charged metaphor to use, even though I know she didn't mean it that way….

  379. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:54 AM

    One thing about Ray – he generally speaks the truth most times… He seems kinda angry tonight and I can understand why…

  380. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:55 AM

    Facts show that several players did not get hits tonight

  381. Section 222 - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:55 AM

    Oh come on DP. That was a routine throw. Every 3B does not make wild throws on those kinds of plays. That's b.. unk. I was willing to think that Zim had worked things out, based on his play over the last month, but apparently he hasn't. It didn't cost us tonight because of ALR and the ump. But it's a concern. If you don't see that, your rose colored glasses have frosted over.It's also not why we lost the game.

  382. ExposedinDC - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:55 AM

    Disagree with Ray….the Phils are better than us right now, kinda amazing we are still ahead of them.

  383. TexNat - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:56 AM

    Section 135, if the Nats fall much further back, they should indeed offer up Laroche. Not because he isn't pulling his weight (he is on pace to have a very solid season), but because he isn't the future first baseman so might as well replenish the farm system. They should also listen on Span, but only trade him if a good offer comes in. Then you can move Harp back to center and get some more power in the outfield.The scariest thing about this season isn't that this particular Nats team might miss the post season. Its that it is becoming obvious that this team, which has almost all of its positions locked up for the foreseeable future, isn't good enough offensively. Rizzo;s ability to accurately assess that problem and fix it will be his legacy here.

  384. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:56 AM

    For the series 29 for 131. About .225.Our pitchers are simply not good enough to ovrrcome inconsistant hitting.We need to decide either pitch better or hit better.

  385. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:56 AM

    No Jeff – Span is the reason we lost this game….

  386. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:57 AM

    Sec 222, yes every 3B makes that throw. Every single 3B in the league has made a wild throw on a play like that. Obviously, Ryan has done it WAY more than usual this season. But his trend is still very positive. One wild throw doesn't offset a month plus of good throws.

  387. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:59 AM

    Ryan has been solid lately… Besides that 1 throw tonight, I don't remember the last time he had an errant throw…

  388. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:59 AM

    It's not just not getting hits. It is the failure to execute. It is the insistence on always pulling the ball. It is the failure to run out his bunts. It is his lack of infield hits. It is his lack of walks or hits by pitch to get on base. It is his lack of stolen bases except for more or less conceded ones, and it is the insistence by so many on here that Span is some sort of lead-off genius like Rickey Henderson or something. He is not. He never was. He never will be. He needs to move to 8th in the line-up and only play against right handers until he can prove he can get on base again.

  389. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:59 AM

    paul brandt said… I mean really, having Span lead off the 8th after a crap game and vs. a lefty is just mind numbing! I know Mark isn't there but someone needs to ask Davey what the heck was he thinking…makes no sense at all!!! I need to go to bed before I break another remote…like Ray just said…I'm baffled!!!! Nobody will ask so save your typing. Read my comment in the 7th inning when JZim made the last out. I knew Bastardo was coming in and I said then that Hairston would pinch-hit.Even though Hairston was 0-5 lifetime vs Bastardo, Span was 0-1 vs Bastardo and batting under .150 against lefty relievers.This just reminds me of Espinosa mentality with Davey and Rizzo with their refusal to make changes.

  390. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:01 AM

    Jordan pitched well enough for us to win… We should have taken better advantage of our opportunities as we definitely had them…Situational hitting wasnt crisp at all tonight… I'm actually also surprised (like Ghost) that DJ didnt pull Span for Hairston…But we need to take care of business against the fish… Shame we didnt at least get the split tonight…

  391. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:02 AM

    Ray just said a comment that was wrong. Zim did not pitch well enough to win.Well enough to win some games ,but not this one. Kendricks out pitched him, so he didn't pitch good enough to win.When we lose that usually the problem our pitcher was out pitched.

  392. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:02 AM

    That blown call at home really hurt. I'd be more upset about it, but I think it only would have resulted in 1 run; I don't think there was any way LaRoche was going to extend the inning, unless maybe he worked a walk, because he's just not hitting this week.Also, it's fair to say that this game was decided by bunt play. Span's hilarious bunt double play destroyed a huge opportunity, and a good bunt from jordan puts a runner on 3rd instead of 1st (which would mean an RBI grounder instead of a GIDP when span rolls his inevitable 4-3 chopper).Conversely, the Ruiz bunt sets up the RBI single from Revere…and without bunting the runner over to 3rd, span probably dives for that ball with the runner on 2nd and makes the out.

  393. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:02 AM

    Dan Kolko ‏@masnKolko 1mJordan Zimmermann still dealing with a sore neck. Says skipping All-Star Game is "a possibility"If there's even any chance of it getting worse, skip the game Jordan.

  394. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:02 AM

    Why weren't we in the market for Choo?

  395. Secret wasian man - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    Span is despicable. that play in center was nonchalant and lazy. And Davey is a fool for always leading him off. get him out of there. Werth o lead off. Let Bernie play.

  396. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    no pitching staff is good enough to succomb that kind of unproductive hitting.This is not 1911.pitching is our strength esp with Zimmnn, Stras, gio…we have to take advantage of it.The nats just need to play small ball sometimes but they're a little rusty…have to learn how to shorten up and hit a sac fly.stay out of double plays.We don't need many to win with the big three on the mound.

  397. DJB - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    I honestly don't understand why so many people have defended Ryan Zimmerman. He is clearly killing this team in both offense and defense. But I think Ray threw in the towel in his postgame. This is a fundamentally flawed organization. You can argue what we should do with players like Zimm, but it is the organization that gave him such a terrible long-term contract. Really, the heads that need to roll are at the top. We've built a team around the hunches of one scout, and that just doesn't work in modern baseball.

  398. NatsLady - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:04 AM

    Ghost, I don't think Davey trusts Harper in CF.

  399. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:05 AM

    Small ball? With whom? What fast guys do we have that get on base? What guys do we have who can reliably lay down a bunt or hit behind the runner or get a sac fly when we need one?

  400. do1teach1 - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:06 AM

    Turned it off in the 6th. Tired of the hapless pattern, over and over. The distinguishing characteristic of this baseball team is futility.

  401. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:06 AM

    MNF – Jordan did pitch well enough… I know some like to talk about the magic number 4.70 or 5… Well, had we out up either of those #s, we would have won tonight….

  402. TexNat - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    Re: Choo. Because Rizzo overvalues defense and undervalues on base percentage. See, e.g., the current Nats lineup and his past infatuation with the execrable BJ Upton.Just think, the Nats could have Choo and still have Meyer.

  403. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    WODL…what about our big number 5-6 hitter, ALR.Get off the Span kick…You are sounding biased against one player

  404. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    Ryan is having a great offensive season. All the numbers show that. His OPS+, his BA with RISP (and just his normal BA isn't too bad), his OBP. It's all good. I'd like to see him cut down on the strikeouts some, but he's still having a fine season offensively. His defense is concerning, but improving. If you think Ryan is the main issue with the team, you're free to think that, but you'd be wrong.

  405. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    NatsLady said… Ghost, I don't think Davey trusts Harper in CF. July 11, 2013 10:04 PM Didn't matter, you insert Bernadina after Hairston Pinch-hits.

  406. NatsLady - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    Just watched Joey Votto and Todd Frasier have terrible at-bats.

  407. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:08 AM

    "Just think, the Nats could have Choo and still have Meyer. "Uh no. Who exactly do you think the Nationals would have traded for Choo? Choo was not a free agent, he was a trade. The Indians got a decent amount for him too.

  408. NatsLady - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:08 AM

    Ghost, yes, I thought of that. You would have to do that and take your chances if it goes to extra innings.

  409. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:09 AM

    NL – yeah, there were some terrible at bats tonight too…

  410. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:10 AM

    It is our strength, but if we are not going to score much we MUST give up less to improve our record.

  411. TexNat - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:10 AM

    My mistake then on Choo.

  412. NatsLady - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:10 AM

    I'm really starting to wonder if Davey gets tired and loses focus at the end of games. He should have pinch-run for Ramos (didn't cost), stuff like that. He's usually so quick to platoon hitters.

  413. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:10 AM

    If Jordan's neck is bothering him – I hope he doesn't play in the AS game…

  414. TexNat - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:11 AM

    MNF, the problem is the offense not pitching. It can't be much more clear than it is.

  415. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    The good news is we have the Fish tomorrow. I don't think there's anybody except the most negative of them all who thinks the team isn't CAPABLE of playing good ball. Maybe playing well against the Fish and then the ASB will help the team reset and play better after the break.We'll see.

  416. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    One thing that is baffling is the situational managing of the team… Last year, DJ would sub people here and there… It seems this year, he is a step behind or doesn't do it…Not sure if this is the loyalty or stubbornness… I also wonder if the whip lash Span suffered last night played apart in his defensive game tonight… He seemed a step off or so…

  417. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    watched Davey's presser on MASN:not one single question about why Span was leading off in the 8th given his crap game and facing a lefty…no, i am not surprised but why are they there??

  418. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:14 AM

    NatsLady said… I'm really starting to wonder if Davey gets tired and loses focus at the end of games. He should have pinch-run for Ramos (didn't cost), stuff like that. He's usually so quick to platoon hitters.Davey couldn't make a mistake last year until he did in Game 5. This year it's happening all the time and this loyalty factor where you put certain players ahead of winning pisses me off.Espinosa and Henry should've been nixed last season. Span should be batting 7th or 8th and sitting more. I don't mind the Hairston pickup but the Nats really needed a slick hitting RH outfielder who can play decent defense and that isn't really Hairston.

  419. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:14 AM

    you can't…It's impossible to rely on your pitchers giving up 2 or less runs a game. It is not reasonable. In the dead ball era, yes.The average runs scored per team is over 4 runs/game. The ball parks are smaller, the ball is livelier, the players are stronger.Strasburg tried with an amazing 2.2 ERA and he's 5-6.

  420. sjm308 - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:15 AM

    I am at a huge disadvantage because I do not usually read ingame posts – I am going to go back and read a few but 403 posts are just a bit much.Seamhead – I am not trying to be snarky or smart or cruel – I am a season ticket holder since day one. I have waited over 60 years to see my hometown team in the World Series, have never voiced an opinion where I want anyone fired or cut but I honestly don't see this team in the playoffs this year. I will renew my season tickets next year and root just as hard. You have consistantly posted, "don't worry we have this" – I don't worry, but I also scheduled a vacation in Oct. It's ok – We were overrated by the national press and we are a fine group of players but we were definitely overrated. Rizzo does a better than ave. job and Davey has been a wonderful manager for years and years. I just feel this is not going to be one of those years where things turn around and I refuse to be held hostage here in DC by a baseball team. If I eat crow 3 months from now it will taste delicious but this team has not shown me the ability to perform at the level I had hoped. Very very sad.Go Nats!!

  421. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:16 AM

    Point blank – we should have scored more… We had the opportunities… We should have done more to support Jordan, who did a good job tonight…

  422. Secret wasian man - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:17 AM

    minus Werth and Harper the middle of this lineup is sad. ZIMM and ALR are average at best. Ian only a little better. Suzuki stinks. Span stinks Rendon average. Wilson good.

  423. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:18 AM

    paul brandt said… watched Davey's presser on MASN:not one single question about why Span was leading off in the 8th given his crap game and facing a lefty…no, i am not surprised but why are they there??Of course not. Have they ever asked anything negative unless all of them do it at once like the Espinosa articles that coincidentally came out at the same time?In NYC they would've skewered Davey tonight.

  424. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:18 AM

    I know the hitting is the problem, i have said that for 92 games.However we are also being outpitched.Had Jordan pitched a shut out we win. He gave up 2 runs kendricks gives up 1. We eere outpitchedBut I agree hitting is the problem. Johnson and Eckstein are not demanding their players to be more consistant. Our hitters generalky make the same mistakes all too often Trying tp kill each pitch.

  425. TexNat - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:18 AM

    Davey has always made situational mistakes like this Ghost. They just weren't as obvious last year. I can think of a real whopper though. Do you remember that game in which the Nats lost to the Yankees at home after Tyler Moore was called out at home in something like the bottom of the 8th? The replays showed he was actually safe. But the point is that he was at 2b before the hit that sent him to home and Davey failed to pinch run with Bernadina, who would have been safe by a mile. It was a crazy decision because Bernie was coming in to play defense for Moore in the inning anyways.He has always been a mediocre game manager.

  426. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:19 AM

    Braves win, but thankfully they were playing the Reds. So we don't lose any games in the WC standings.

  427. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:20 AM

    Mrs. B, look at our posts at 10:13 and 10:14. Very similar points including "loyalty".

  428. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:21 AM

    Wait… Ghost – do you owe me a drink???? *snickers*MNF – you can't expect our pitchers to pitch shut outs all the time… Again, people like that 4.70/5 number… We score those runs, and we win this game…

  429. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:21 AM

    Ryan's OPS+ is well above average. Calling Rendon average is a complete joke. I understand the frustration, but come on.

  430. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:22 AM

    Ghost, I know, am just venting…I want to eat Davey's face!!!…we are a jekyl & hyde team this year, don't want to admit it but its true.sjm308, nice post at 1015pm.

  431. Secret wasian man - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    SJM308. WONDERFULLY said.

  432. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    yes…it's like your on a job…and one guy does his job but the other guys don't so instead of looking at the guys who aren't doing it, you ask the one guy who is, to do even more.We have the worst offensive stats in the league. you have to score more than 1 and 2 runs a game to win consistently Name a staff that has an ERA 2 or under.I would say we are being outhit.

  433. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    Hahahaha…. Ghost – 2 we made similar posts a minute or so apart…I used to harp on DJ last year when we were winning last year – his loyalty…I've no problem with Span leading off… I think he is in a slump right now myself… Also this is his first year in the NL, so I know it takes time to recognize pitchers, etc… But DJ does have a loyalty issue… We saw it last year… We saw it this year with Espi too…That has always been a big knock on him…

  434. nats guy - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:25 AM

    This is the most disappointed I have ever been in a baseball team. Too, too, too bad. I don't even know what to say about them anymore. Sometimes they play like they have never seen the game before and don't know the rules. Too many bonehead plays that have happened all year long. I looked forward to this season since November 1st.I think now is the time to look at some changes to prepare for next year.1. Let Taylor Jordan stay here until he reaches his innings limit.2. Bring up Nathan Karns after that.3. Ditch Haren, he no longer matters. Write it off as a mistake.4. Se what minor moves thay can make before July 31st to improve for next year.5. See what they can get for Drew Storen, and Danny Espinosa either in July or over the off season6. Start training the pitchers on how to hold runners. This has really been awful for a very long time.7. What is wrong with the base running. Too many bone head moves.8. Are McCatty and Eckstein the right coaches.9. Internal or external for Dave Johnson?

  435. NatsLady - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:26 AM

    MrsB, I don't know if it's whiplash or just exhaustion, but Span did not look like himself out there tonight, from the part of the game that I saw (was working). Who would have guessed that the one pitcher we get to in the series is Cliff Lee?

  436. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:26 AM

    I'm sorry, but you don't sell or give up on a season when you're 4 games back of a playoff spot on July 11. We're 4 games back of the WC spot.

  437. Secret wasian man - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:26 AM

    yes Rendon is better than average. Sorry. But I also failed to mention how iresponsible it is to have BADCHAD TRACY still on the team. OH and DAVEY STINKS TOO.

  438. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    Yeah NL – he looked 'off' or lost in the Of today… And I know he had the issues with the concussions… I actually didnt think he would play today becuz he grimaced afterwards, last night…Not making excuses but we've seen other injuries and how they play out as well as phantom injuries and the whole 9…

  439. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    Dont need a shutout all the time. Just needed one tonight.Last night we could up 4, just gave up 1. One tnight and we are still playing.You are missing my poit, maybe I am not writing it well.You win one of two ways. Score more than. The other team, or allow them to score less. We have problem with the second. Most our wins we score alot and give up some. In low scoring games we have won almost none, because we are out pitched.

  440. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    I disagree. I think we are outhit.

  441. SCNatsFan - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    Sjm I agree; that you, like I, don't see this as a playoff team doesn't make you less of a fan, it makes you a realist. Sure I hope the team turns it around but I've been hoping that for years and, well, you see how much hoping does. I'll still fly up and see a series next month and root just as hard, the only good thing I tickets will be easier to get then I thought they would at the start of the season.

  442. Drew - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    Now for some good news:Robbie Ray tossed a 9- inning shutout for Harrisburg, with 11 strikeouts and two walks. He's off to a dandy start at AA.At Syracuse, in addition to Espinosa's homer (he's up to .210) Tyler Moore hit a grand slam.

  443. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    Don't be so sure SCNatsFan. The Nats are still drawing just fine.

  444. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    Luckily we have great pitchers to watch and Harper and Rendon.

  445. NatsLady - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    I'm certainly not giving up. No way–look at the run the Jays went on or now, the Rays… Just have to hang around .500 and then put together a streak and this team CAN do it. I feel we will be playing meaningful ballgames in August and September. May not make it, but I don't see this team giving up at the "half-way" point.

  446. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:32 AM

    Drew, thanks for the good news!

  447. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    Games that sucked major butthole:Blowing a 4 run lead at home against ATL in first meetingJ-zim blowing 4 run lead in Baltimore after R zim hits 3 jacks.Strasburg getting boned by his teammates in a shutout loss to WILY PERALTA immediately after we "turned the corner" with 23 runs in prev. 2 gamesStrasburg getting boned by his teammates in extra innings loss to Diamondbacks where we lost on a FREAKING SQUEEZE BUNT when we had chance to sweep.Jzim losing to dillon gee 2-0 in the 3rd game against NYM when Werth GIDP'd on a 3-0 count with 2 on and no outs. (I will take this moment to mention that Dillon Gee is 3-0 against us with 2ER in 18 innings. His ERA is 5.33 against all other teams)The catastophe at home against Chicago where we lost a 2-1 game on a throw into left field from Zuk resulting in dropping a home series to THE CUBS (honorable mention for the previous game for getting shutdown by the winless Edwin Jackson)Getting walked-off by BJ Upton in Atlanta after having runners on 2nd and 3rd with 0 outs in the top of the 9th and failing to score.I can't really remember any of the Cardinals games but I'm pretty sure they all sucked major butt.What would you guys say was the worst one? I have to say the first one against Atlanta was the worst….although losing to the cubs was unforgivable and that Jzim meltdown was a deflating knockout.

  448. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    Nats Guy – I agree re Jordan… Disagree re Karns (don't think he is ready). As for Haren – we have got to hope that the Haren we see is the Haren that played against Atl, Bmore and in the 2nd thru 5th inning 2 days ago… And lets thank our lucky stars that we only have him for 1 year…I get your point MNf… I just don't agree tonight… Jordan pitched well enough… We should have scored more runs against Kendrick…

  449. Secret wasian man - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    out hit or out pitched. Whats it matter? either way they manage to lose. Phils made 4 errors tonight and still won. I really think the team lacks leadership. Davey is killing this team. He has been nothing short of terrible. It all started with that stupid world series or bust comment.

  450. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:35 AM

    Giving up… In July… Nah… I'll leave that for others…I will give up when it isn't mathematically possible anymore…

  451. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:36 AM

    4 games out of the playoff with 70 to go. I still like our chances.We have to play better coming out of the break though. We have to view it as a reset. Just pretend it's opening day. We'll be fully healthy (knock on wood). If we play well after the ASB, we still got it. If we don't…well, we don't.

  452. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    Thanks Pedro…. You just made me sick re-living some of those moments…I was the sickest when BJ Upton got the single RBI against HRod…. That. Was. The. Worst.

  453. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    pedrocerrano, can't disagree. I thought tonight would be a huge Nats win. I'm just shocked but the 1st inning bad call at home changed the entire game on that one play. Instead of 1-0 lead, and the Phoolies still pitching with Werth on 2nd, it's inning over.You can't tell how big that 1 play was on the outcome.

  454. NatsLady - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    The key thing is, as it has always been, health. The line-up is healthy, pretty much, although I suspect, tired. They will get a break and I hope they use it wisely, because every other team is getting the same break.Rizzo must must MUST have a contingency plan for Detwiler being on-and-off the DL and Haren being (at best) mediocre). Get another starting pitcher. Fork over the $$ for someone you can get without completely mortgaging the future.

  455. Secret wasian man - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:38 AM

    pedro hahahahaha definitely the BMORE game. I was there. It was the first really warm day of the year. JZIMM being from Wisconsin was gassed from the heat. everyone could see it except Davey. So he leaves him in and then the Os precede to score like 57 runs. HAHAHA

  456. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:40 AM

    another way to look at it.The sanitation men are picking up the garbage and keeping the city clean.but the city is burning because the firemen are not doing their job, so instead of demanding accountablity of them, you ask the garbage man to pick up more trash.our pitching stats are amongst the best…our hitting amongst the worst. how about asking the offense to score at least near the league average and carry some of the weight.

  457. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:46 AM

    That 1st inning play definitely gave the, confidence… I'm actually surprised we didnt get Kendrick out the game earlier… We should have been playing small ball 4 thru 6 inning as his pitch count was getting up… We needed to be making contact, shortening the swing, etc… Instead of swinging from the ankles…Sigh… I wanted to go 7-3 the 10 games before the AS break… We have gone 4-3… Hoping we can get the broom going agains the fish…

  458. sjm308 - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:46 AM

    David – don't get me wrong – I will be thrilled if we turn it around – I just don't see that happening, and I am certainly not going to stay in DC when I have a chance to travel. I would be more upset if I was here and the Braves were playing the Reds then if I am in New England and the Nationals are playing. I will say this. If I had to face the Nationals in a one game playoff I would not be happy. If I had to face them in a seven game playoff with our big 3 going in 6 of those games, I would not be happy. The problem is, I just don't see us making up 4 games against the Reds or 6 games against the Braves.

  459. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:46 AM

    NatsLady said… Rizzo must must MUST have a contingency plan for Detwiler being on-and-off the DL and Haren being (at best) mediocre). Get another starting pitcher. Fork over the $$ for someone you can get without completely mortgaging the future. Need to keep TJord here and hope Detwiler can get healthy.I think you can't trade prospects unless you get a long-term player but it looks to me like the rotation is set for next year:Stras-Gio-JZim-Det-TJord

  460. Section 135 - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:46 AM

    Davey wanted Laroche over Morse. He Pleaded for him.

  461. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:47 AM

    That is ridiculous to say that the Nats couldn't have acquired Choo. They didn't try. Rizzo has wanted Span for years and that is the problem–you can't get wedded to one player or some image of what you think a lead-off hitter or a good team should look like.Billy Beane understands this. What sexy players does he have? We all know instinctively that fielding is less important than hitting. How? Because they are tons of guys in baseball at all levels who can field the outfield and field it well. This is not relatively rare. Speed is another thing that is not that rare, unless you are talking Jose Reyes speed. Hitting is the hardest part of baseball and this team needs hitters. Enough of this pitty-pat stuff.

  462. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:48 AM

    Wasian you told us you were done with the team and would come back to september 30.But here yu are after a loss right back.Didn't see last niggt after a win.

  463. TexNat - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:48 AM

    And Laroche has been far better than Morse so what is your point?

  464. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:50 AM

    I'm not arguing with you about Span again, WODL. This argument is so tired. Span was a .283 hitter prior to this year. Nobody could've foreseen him hitting .250 with a .310 OBP. If you say you saw that happening, you're lying. If he even performs as well as he did last year (thus throwing out his extremely good year a few years back), he'd still be a fine player for us.Section 135, LaRoche has outperformed Morse. Just so you know.

  465. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:51 AM

    well, we won more games than any other team last year with Edwin Jackson and Ross Detwiler.Haren pitched well enuf last time out…Ross is more of a question…only time will tell if he is the pre DL 2.56 ERA Ross or post DL one.I wouldn't mortgage the future, however, to pick up a rent a pitcher for two months. It's more than money…they'll want prospects. If the offense was better, maybe. Rizzo tried to improve both the back of the rotation and the offense this off season but didn't get it down. A crap shoot. He'll have other chances.

  466. TexNat - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:53 AM

    Ghost, agree that no important prospects should be traded for pitching unless its a long term acquisition. Maybe not even then. I am concerned about the offense on this team going forward beyond this year. The line up isn't good enough. And it might get worse because (1) Werth is getting older and (2) you are probably going to end up trading Laroche's production for some new 2B's production when Zim moves to 1B and Rendon to 3B. It's unlikely that 2B will get you the 20-20 HRs that Laroche has been giving you.So how do you improve this line up? The only ways I can see are by acquiring either a big time 2B (like Cano) or 3B (and have Rendon stay at 2B. They also need to acquire a 4th out fielder that is a quality bat–essentially good enough to start.These things are going to cost real money. I guess the good news is that if you trade Laroche this off season(or before) and you don't replace Haren's contract (sticking in house with Jordan or Karns) you have freed up real money.

  467. Drew - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:54 AM

    One more bit of good news:Billy Burns stole three more bases at Potomac. He has 45 stolen bases in 74 games.The Mercer Kid might have no pop, but he seems fearless. I hope he can keep it up when he gets to tougher competition in AA.

  468. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:54 AM

    Mike Matheny just went postal on the homeplate ump after the Cards just lost 3-0. EJax with a 3 hitter. It figures. Couldn't do that in Game 3

  469. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:54 AM

    First of all, Minnesota seemed to be aware of Span's offense. Second, at this point, Proctor, it is irrelevant what anyone might have thought or not–move him the hell down in the order and get it the hell out of the line up against lefties–problems solved–and you can spend your time defending something worthwhile like baby seals or something.

  470. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:56 AM

    Idk TextNat – at this point, I just can't see us moving RZimm to first…. I think he and Rendon are now our 3rd and 2nd basemen, respectively…I am concerned about the 1st baseman position for after LaRoche leaves… He makes some awesome and asz saving plays for us with some of the poor/off balance throws from our IF…

  471. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:57 AM

    Minnesota didn't want Span (or Revere for that matter, who is younger and under team control for longer) because they got solid prospects in return. You saying "Minnesota didn't want him" or "Minnesota was getting rid of him" is just not true no matter how many times you repeat it. It had nothing to do with Span's play, it had everything to do with a rebuilding organization acquiring pitching prospects which they desperately needed.

  472. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:57 AM

    sjm at 1046…where are you going in October? have spent some time in Hyannisport and man, it doesn't get much better than that…wow, what an incredible area that is.

  473. pedrocerrano - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:58 AM

    I was in the left field bleachers for game 3.K#$%@ hit that one 3-run homer in those bleachers in game 3.Chris Carpenter hit a double off that wall in game 3.Please don't talk about game 3. (Or that other game).

  474. TexNat - Jul 12, 2013 at 2:59 AM

    Mrs B. I think Zim is your First Baseman of the Future. He has lost his ability to throw the ball. He hasn't been improving at that over the past few weeks so much as he has learned to cope with it. He lollipops any throw he can't submarine and looks uncomfortable as hell. Either way, they are going to need to open the check book (or depart with serious prospects) to acquire another big time infield bat, be it a 1B, 2B, or 3B. This has to be the priority for the club this off season. And they should not do anything now that would compromise their ability to address that priority.

  475. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    We need Ramos at a minimum hitting 2 of 3 games.Span against lefties needs to bat 8th .Why Span hit at home and not away?Someone needs raise hell, as the players tgemselves in general are not raising tgeir own hell.

  476. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:03 AM

    agree…Ramos is a very important part of the offense and move Span down

  477. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    TexNat/MrsB, doubtful Rizzo gets Cano but moving RZim to 1st has to be a priority but doubtful Rizzo does it until 2015.

  478. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    Boswell said himself that we might only get the Span of 2010 and 2011 so I certainly had very, very low expectations from the beginning. This meant batting average above .250 and on base percentage of .330, with a handful of homers, due to his failure to get walks or singles this year and due to his losing all his home run power, we aren't getting performance even close to his worst season in Minnesota.I never expected much, but this is destroying a poor hitting team. You can't waste all these at bats with a guy with no power who doesn't score runs and all those arguments from the past about different umpires and different leagues don't wash anymore. Span has always play inter-league. He simply isn't the hitter he used to be, otherwise where did all his power go?

  479. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:07 AM

    I just can not see Ryan at 1st…. But we will see… But I do agree that the check book will have to open for another IF person, regardless of the position….

  480. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:09 AM

    Go read some of the Twins fanboards and see what they thought about Mr. Span. They undressed us for a good prospect, who unfortunately for them, is injured. If you think Span displays good hitting skills, then please point them out to me, because I simply cannot perceive anything he does offensively that is in any way, shape, manner or form better than a replacement center fielder. 9 stolen bases is laughable. He isn't beating out run of the mill grounders the way Reyes does.He simply has to get down a proper bunt tonight in a crucial situation. Many guys like him would beat it out and get a twofer. Denard couldn't do that and then sort of didn't feel like running at first while he played umpire…. Just the way I want my son to approach the game….

  481. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:09 AM

    As a team we are batting .020 under last year. I could 100% wrong, and I would hope I am, but I believe most of us get upset at bad hitting games more than any of the players do.I realize they are professionals, but every loss is one you can never get back, so unless you are in first, you should be angry.

  482. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:12 AM

    Even with games like this, the Nats are a very good team. Time to move Werth to leadoff.1. Werth RH RF2. Rendon RH 2B3. Harper LH LF4. RZim RH 3B5. ALR LH 1B6. Desi RH SS7. Ramos RH C8. Span LH CF

  483. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:12 AM

    I think it is legitimate to get upset with a player's approach at the plate, but not to get upset if a player simply has a bad game. Does a player consistently swing at pitches out of the zone? Does he swing when it doesn't make sense given the count? Does he do the little things either to get on base or advance the runner?

  484. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:15 AM

    I don't want Werth at leadoff. He's hitting too well and driving in too many runs right now (and should've had another RBI today).

  485. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:15 AM

    Moving Span to 7th or 8th seems like a no-brainer, but saying so here, qualifies you as a genius of the board, Ghost, but apparently Davey and Rizzo are going down with the ship…. Or are they? Is it possible that Span was given an ultimatum by Rizzo to either start producing before the break or start platooning given the new right handed bat?

  486. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:17 AM

    really kind of funny how the tone/anger/content of these posts take after a loss and also after a win…the life of a fan…I am also guilty of it and still here after saying good night an hour ago…still love being a fan and finally having a team to root for & bit$% about.NI is an awesome place to talk & vent…love DP's optimism, I will share it until Mark tells me it's over.it's just a game people! pay it forward and do something nice for someone tomorrow…just loving that I can see my home team play, we did not have that ability not too long ago.p.s. thanks sjm you inspired me…go Nats!! sweep the fish and all is well.

  487. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:18 AM

    David, and he will hit fine at leadoff just like last year. It's time to shake it up.

  488. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:19 AM

    Disagree Ghost… Think the line up makes sense as is, for the most part.. Definitely am not moving Werth up.. Think he is better in the 6th spot… Also, if Ramos likes 8th, leave him there.. Wouldn't be quick to move him as well…

  489. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:20 AM

    Yeah he hit well at leadoff last year, but I want one of our most reliable bats in the middle of the lineup right now. Platoon Hairston and Span if you want, maybe move Rendon up to 2 and Desi to 7. But keep Werth where he's red hot. He's hitting better (and with more power) than he's ever hit as a National right now.

  490. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:21 AM

    I think that anyone who thinks that is mistaken. People are angry when management fails to engage in what seems to be commonsense.And for all those who gripe about people complaining, that is lunacy. The people who complain are the people who pay the bills. They are the people who actually watch the MLB Network's goofy specials and listen to the radio broadcasts and television broadcasts at the same time. It is actually the lukewarm people who hurt the sport. The day that people quit criticizing the players and the managers is the day that MLB becomes the WNBA.

  491. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:21 AM

    Our approach generakly is poor. Our approach works well against pitchers like Cliff Lee.We need to drive thc ball the direction is putch. We pull way too many. Span could raise his average .030-.050 simply by doing this. He pulls way too many, when the ball often oncthe outer or middle part. It is not rocket science. Look at what good hitters do.Long balls will come going with tge pitch too. Watch Miguel cabrerra or Chris Davis just as many homers the other way as pulled.Our approach was simlar last year I complained then to. Just hit it where it is pitched the average will rise fast.With more base runners usually more runs.

  492. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:21 AM

    I think Desi in the #2 changes what Desi does and Span leading off is just too low of an OBP.Need men on for Harp which was the winning formula for last year.If you all like the status quo, you will get your wish as Davey ain't changing.

  493. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:23 AM

    David, I can live with your suggestion better than doing nothing.

  494. sjm308 - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    PaulBrandt – fought and fought with spousal equivalent about a trip in oct. She won – now it looks like it will be ok – base is Boston but we plan several day trips outside the city. Not sure but the Adams Museum looks great and we can use the MTA (I have promised to sing the Kingston Trio song the entire way). Give me some reasons to rent a car.OK, back to baseball – I would definitely think about Span now moving to the #8 spot. I would pitch Jordan until he reaches his limit. I would not make a trade unless it was totally in our favor. I like our young pitchers in AA and A and do not want to give them up. I would consider Espinosa a huge chip but doubt if other teams see that. I am OK with Zimm at 3rd for next year with Rendon staying at 2nd and LaRoche at first. I honestly guess that means I am really not in the market right now since I actually like our team. I do not like how Span is playing on offense but I think that could turn around. Zimm has definitely improved, as has Rendon and Desmond and LaRoche are two of the best at their position.All we need to do is start hitting so that I will be carrying my ipad around in New England rooting for us. Wouldn't it be amazing if we are playing Boston in the World Series and I can snag tickets???

  495. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    I like the lineup the way it is right now, but I'd switch Desi and Rendon. I like Rendon's approach higher in the order and Desi's power lower. I don't like how people keep walking Desi to get to Harper either.The way the lineup is ordered isn't the problem. In fact, I'm pretty sure studies have shown that lineup order is basically irrelevant to the success of a team. It's just something us fans get up into arms about. The bottom line is people need to perform, no matter where they're hitting.

  496. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    The easiest rule of thumb is simply to bat your players in the order of their on base percentage. There are some other models but they are probably not worth obsessing about. Having a poor on base percentage leading off can cost a couple of games a year based upon the extra at bats. Beyond that, it is a bit like ordering your pitchers. Guys who aren't productive belong at the bottom in order to give them incentive to work harder and do better.

  497. jeffwx - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    i would switch rendon to leadoff and werth to 2nddesmond is not an ideal number 2….not patient enough

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