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Game 93: Nats at Marlins

Jul 12, 2013, 8:01 PM EDT

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Here's the situation the Nationals have put themselves in: After dropping three of four in Philadelphia, they now have to take two of three in Miami or else go into the All-Star break one game over the .500 mark (at best). Considering they were four games over at the start of the week, that would be a significant disappoint.

The Nationals have no one to blame but themselves for this predicament, and they better be careful not to overlook the Marlins, who may own the NL's worst record but who have been playing much better baseball of late. Did you know Miami is 20-16 since May 31, tops in the NL East? (The Nats, if you're wondering, are 20-18 since then.)

The good news: Stephen Strasburg is on the mound for his final start of the first half, and he's facing his favorite opponent. In 10 career starts against the Marlins, Strasburg is 5-2 with a 2.77 ERA, including a dominating performance against them this year on Opening Day.

I'm not in Miami this weekend, taking a couple of days off before heading up to New York for the All-Star festivities. Please enjoy the conversation as always here…

WASHINGTON NATIONALS at MIAMI MARLINS
Where: Marlins Park
Gametime: 7:10 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN2, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500), XM 185
Weather: Indoors

NATIONALS (47-45)
CF Denard Span
SS Ian Desmond
LF Bryce Harper
3B Ryan Zimmerman

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447 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. natsfan1a - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Nice pic. I knew their attendance wasn't great but dang. What? Oh. Never mind.Go, SS! Fry those fish!

  2. Section 222 - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:19 PM

    Cool picture, though the panoramic effect understates the horrificness of that giant green sea sculpture thingy out in centerfield.

  3. Tcostant - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    This is almost a must win, considering the starters the next two days. You want to go into the break with at least a series win and w/o a win tonight that would be hard.

  4. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    I can imagine more than a few players staying in Miami to vacation after this series is over.

  5. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Mark writes…I'm not in Miami this weekend, taking a couple of days off before heading up to New York for the All-Star festivities. Please enjoy the conversation as always here…That is a smart tradeoff.

  6. baseballswami - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    I seriously hope they are not already on vacation mentally. The Marlins are a young and hungry team. Remember when the Nats were like that?

  7. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    Section 222 said… Cool pictureThat's a good picture of what it looks like before the players take the field. Total "real" attendence about 145 people and that includes the fans, ushers and workers.

  8. sjm308 - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    Swami – as Mark noted, the Marlins are playing well lately but in looking at that lineup I am stumped. I try and read box scores on a daily basis but except for Stanton and Morrison I honestly don't have a clue who the rest of these guys are. I will be staying away until after the game but feel like Tcostant that this first game is a must. Go Nats!!

  9. sjm308 - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    Ghost – just wondering how many games they open the roof for and if there are stats as to how the place plays with it open or closed?

  10. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    With the game a few hours away and some time to kill, I seem to have piqued my own interest (if no one else's) in wondering about renting Kendrys Morales from Seattle. He's not even that expensive, I see, and he's only 30.$5,250,000 (half of which he already has, remember), 3rd-Year Arb Eligible, Earliest Free Agent: 2014Hmmm.

  11. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    So Seattle traded Jason Vargas to get him, who was, roughly, Detwiler, only three years older and more expensive. So that's only a good deal if you don't think much of Detwiler.

  12. bowdenball - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    Tcostant said…"This is almost a must win, considering the starters the next two days."Come on, it's not like we're facing the Tigers with Verlander pitching Saturday and Scherzer pitching Sunday. They'll have a pretty decent shot to win each of the next two. Yes, not as good a shot as they have tonight, but it wouldn't exactly be the "Miracle by the Tacky Scuplture" if they won Saturday and Sunday.

  13. James Joyce - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    It is a must win kind of game tonight. Silly to say that about a July, pre All Star game, but this is our Ace against a foundering club and we need a statement win. We need this series badly. A sweep would help a bunch.

  14. sjm308 - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    More sucking up:Just dropped by Natslady's blog and the information was valuable and interesting. How great that you have created and maintained this. Keep up the good work.

  15. Don - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Really? We're relying on the Nats having a "decent shot" to beat this or that guy after they treaded water aginst a bunch of sub .500 clubs? They gotta win this series, they gotta win with Stras. No excuses. They just need to be the better club, as they are the better club.

  16. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    sjm308 said… Ghost – just wondering how many games they open the roof for and if there are stats as to how the place plays with it open or closed?I looked for the stats on it and haven't found it. That's a good question.

  17. sjm308 - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    I guess when you are 6 games out and you have one of your 3 aces on the mound, its a critical game. Not sure but I suspect there will be many "must wins" as we try and climb this mountain to the playoffs. Question – I realize the math says we are closer to the Reds than the Braves but which is our best shot? I think the wildcard since the Reds/Pirates/Cards still have a bunch of games with each other. Want to hear from others.

  18. sjm308 - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    Don: agree completely! It is time to move NOW

  19. Eugene in Oregon - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    Sofa @ 4:37 p.m.,Kendrys Morales would be great second-half addition — if the Nats were an American League team. Seattle has accumulated a number of these 1B/DH-types, which is why Michael Morse continues to play LF when he's healthy.

  20. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    It's hard to say at this point which is a better shot. The thing about the WC is that you have to play that stupid 1 game playoff. I'd rather not do that (although with our pitching, I feel comfortable putting any of our 3 out there).

  21. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    Question – I realize the math says we are closer to the Reds than the Braves but which is our best shot?The one they have more wins than, after Sept. 29. There is no shot. They have to beat the teams they're playing.

  22. NatsLady - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    Don't forget a team in the West could come into play, for example if the Dodgers sweep past the D-Backs.

  23. baseballswami - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    One of the things ( the many things) I have found frustrating this week is that we could easily have swept the series in Philly. There were very specific situations in every game where we had the game right there to win. Bases loaded plenty of times and risp. I don't think we scored a run conventionally . Solo homers, sacrifices. Ok, ok- moving on. But the point is we were never, ever out of those games. And should not be in these games either. So sick of watching the " aggressive" one pitch outs.

  24. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:03 PM

    Finishing a thought from the last post, The Misperception of Yasiel PuigSounds kinda familiar, eh Bryce?

  25. Rabbit34 - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Move Rendon and Ramos up in the lineup and drop Zimmerman and LaRoche. Shuffle the deck with Zimm, LaRoche, and Werth. Looks like another 8 strikeout night with Zimmerman getting half.

  26. baseballswami - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Why you picking on Zim? He leads the team in RBI'S.!

  27. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    Hey, I have an idea for spotting Nats Insiders at the picnic tables — we need a big red sign on a stand for the table that says "4.7".

  28. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    We need keep our hitters in and they actually need to hit my weight. Quit hitting their weight.

  29. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    Sounds like JZimm isn't pitching in the ASG, per twitter.

  30. natsfan1a - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    I don't get it (but what else is new?).Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa said… Hey, I have an idea for spotting Nats Insiders at the picnic tables — we need a big red sign on a stand for the table that says "4.7". July 12, 2013 5:18 PM

  31. natsfan1a - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Pretty sure everyone's hitting over my weight, except for Det. :-)

  32. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:28 PM

    3 above mine, well I need to look Werth'S up

  33. JaneB - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    4.7…I'm missing it too.WIN TONIGHT GUYS!

  34. baseballswami - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    Rare social engagement tonight. DVR set so watching is optional. Hope I want to .

  35. Another_Sam - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:42 PM

    There've been a couple of false starts where it looked to the hopeful — like me — that this club was ready to snap out of it. Losing three of four has cured me of that feeling. But I still don't get it; you read down this lineup and think "Hey, looks good to me."Davy of late has changed his model for hadnling pitchers; he's no longer completely averse to yanking someone in the middle of an inning. I applaud that. Too often a reliever clearly doesn'thave it, and he's been allowed to pitch a complete inning and let the game get out of hand.My take is that if the hitting ever wakes up, they won't need another starter. And I continue to think that the hitting has got to wake up one of these days.Until that wakeup day, I can say only "Play Ball."

  36. baseballswami - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Except that when he pulls a starter the reliever immediately gives up three runs, when the starter might have given up one.

  37. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    4.7 because that's how many runs, on average, they need to score, to win.H/T GhostI'm 10-7

  38. Steady Eddie - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    Assume 4.7 means average runs per game.Notwithstanding the angst over our ##4&5, that really is the key, and the way we get 2/3 wins from our three aces and .500 ball from the others.

  39. Steady Eddie - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    Sofa,Happy to add one to the NIDO spreadsheet if you explain what 1D and 10T are about.

  40. Another_Sam - Jul 12, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    Swami — are you talking fixes yet? Do you think more pitching or wiat it out? My thinking is that another pitcher wouldn't bail out the aneminc, erratic hitting.

  41. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    Davey talked to Boche about zim and ASG. Recommended zim attend, but not pitch. Recommended Stras, Gio or Soriano replace Zim.

  42. baseballswami - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    Totally agree- pitching will most likely be fine. Haren and Det win half their games we will be fine. It's the hitting, front and center. No doubt about it. And just which player would we replace? None if them- we are left with the guys we have, just needing to be average instead of poor. That is all. Four runs a game, five maybe. It's right there under our noses.

  43. NatsLady - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    Brewers Player Dev ‏@BrewersPD 19mThe #Brewers have signed RHP/OF Micah Owings to a minor league contract. He will report to our complex in Maryvale

  44. nats guy - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    2 out of 3 in this series is not good enough. They have to sweep. They no longer have any slack. Losing at all in this series is not an option.

  45. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    No they don't have to sweep, yes losing is an option. Stop placing undue significance on a single game. 2/3 is just fine.

  46. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    Dont need to sweep, but I want one anyways

  47. Ken - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    Mark wrote… I'm not in Miami this weekend, taking a couple of days off before heading up to New York for the All-Star festivities. Please enjoy the conversation as always here…Rolls eyes… I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure if any of us was being paid to follow the Nats, a day off would be the farthest thing any of us would be thinking about.I take it from the many days off, that CSN Washington has million dollar dreams on a 10 sent budget.

  48. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    Well of course I want a sweep. But saying we "need" to sweep is silly. 2/3 is good. A sweep would be great.

  49. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    That's pretty uncalled for Ken.

  50. nats guy - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    David if I said yes you would say no. No they don't have any more slack and certainly cannot afford to lose any more games against teams like Miami. The chances of making the playoffs are already miniscule considering the way they are playing that there can be no tolerance for playing poorly against inferior teams.I am really tired of being ridiculed for bein pragmatic and realistic. I have been commenting on this blog and watching the Nats and Washington baseball for a very long time and have seen both the good occasionally and the bad often. This team is only fair.

  51. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    Nats Guy,I have nothing against you at all. I don't disagree with you just to be difficult. There's a difference between being realistic and pessimistic. And I realize I'm very optimistic. However, the best of teams is going to lose every now and then to a team like the Marlins. If the Nationals win 2/3, they'll be where they want to be, Their chances aren't minuscule. That's not opinion. Their chances are still pretty good, that's fact. 4 games back of a playoff spot is not bad.

  52. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    Looked up on deadspin and it list the different umps and which teams have the most negative issues with the ump. Kerwin Danley plate ump last night most hated by …… THE phillies.Make up call? No way call was clise. Interesting.

  53. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    At this point they lost more than enough games that they should win.Time to cut the losses down some.Not that they cant afford to lose. But why bother, when we could use the win.

  54. nats guy - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    David,Earlier in the year I would have agreed with you about 2 out of 3. They have pooched way too many games and we are getting way too late in the year to blow any games against teams like the Marlins. Davey at this point should not be tolerating any losses or any stupid baseball like last night. A couple of time Nats base running was something that would not have been tolerated in a High school JV game. They have to sweep this series in order to set a standard for the rest of the year. There can be no tolerance any more for bad baseball.

  55. natsfan1a - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    Ah, 10-4.Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa said… 4.7 because that's how many runs, on average, they need to score, to win. H/T Ghost I'm 10-7 July 12, 2013 5:55 PM

  56. JD - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    I wanted to try to understand the difference between last year 98 win team and this year's almost .500 team based on numbers. to win 98 games the team should be at 55 wins after 92 games but they are at 47, an 8 game difference. I did a little study based on fangraphs WAR understanding that it's hard to take into account last year's injuries vs. this year's. I also found that the overall difference in the pen is negligible so I left that out. LaRoche -1.5 Espinosa -1.5 Desmond +1 Zim -1 Werth 0 Harper -.5 Span Vs. Morse -.5 Catchers +1 Strasburg -.5 Gio -1 JZim +1 Detwiler 0 Jackson Vs. Haren -1 Tyler Moore -1 Lombo -1 Bernadina -1 Tracy -1 -8.5 Interestingly enough the numbers do tie and they show: 1) LaRoche's decline. 2) Espi's contribution last year vs. this (this should wash eventually once Rendon accumulates enough WAR value with playing time. 3) The Span vs. last year's Morse is an overall negative. 4) The bench either over performed last year or is under performing this year and the difference is stark. 5) the pitching overall is fine. If we assume that ALR is what he is and the 2nd base situation has been addressed and the bench will at least somewhat balance out I would say the only available action at this time is to move Span the heck out of the leadoff spot to which he is not really showing any aptitude.

  57. baseballswami - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    Lose 3 of 4 to the – gag- Phils and the posters get testy. Story of the season. I do not remember a season where we spent less time talking baseball and so very much with personal spats. Frustration reigns supreme.

  58. JD - Jul 12, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    Swami, I think we are at a pretty serious cross roads here. I have seen NL examples of teams making up 6 games in August but it doesn't happen often. After the break we get the red hot Dodgers and the surprising Pirates, The Braves get the horrible White Sox and the schizophrenic Mets. This is survival mode. If we fall behind any further and there will only be 60 games left after the series I mentioned we may be left with only the WC to play for and that's assuming Cincinnati doesn't get hot. Of course we can go 9 out of 10 and all of this will be moot.

  59. Another_Sam - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:00 PM

    Swami – right on. Thanks, man.

  60. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:01 PM

    Itis to late yet, but what you said we thrown too many already away so it is time to start being greedy and putting together 7 out of 10 each of the last 10 game sets

  61. baseballswami - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:02 PM

    Who knows? But I will tell you I would rather see our lineup face a fastball thrower like Eovaldi than a soft tossing lefty. We like the fastball- a lot.

  62. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    I said basically the same, each of the last sets of 10 we win 7 we win. We win 6 then it is close. Win 5 and we are out.

  63. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:10 PM

    Final tonight Nats 7 Fish 1

  64. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    Let's Beat the Fish! Go Nats!

  65. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:13 PM

    Leadoff walk by Span. More of that please.

  66. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    My eyesight really gone bad. A wakk.Where is Bob Davidson.Had 2 balks already.

  67. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:16 PM

    Keep the line moving.Watch for balks. He is not setting.

  68. A DC Wonk - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    Mark Z wrote: they now have to take two of three in Miami or elseI'll finish the sentence: or else they will lose their "Wonk series"Win 2/3 with the big three pitchingWin 1/2 with the other twoSo, win tonight to accomplish the first goalWin one of the next two to get the second oneGYFNG!

  69. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    SPAN WALK SPAN WALK.to lead off the game

  70. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:18 PM

    That is a part of Span's game he can directly control. Sometimes you can't help feeling lost with the bat, but you can maintain a good eye and draw walks. That's been the most disappointing part of Span's game to me (I don't care about steals).

  71. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:19 PM

    This guy being slightly squeezed.

  72. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:19 PM

    We better score at least 2…

  73. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    Barrell the fastball

  74. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    Average is close 2.5 in bases loaded 0 out situations

  75. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    too close to take Zim…come on.

  76. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    Zim takes to many close ones. Just tap it foul.

  77. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    That wasnt a strike….

  78. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    Zim has best RISP what would it be if he cut out the ks

  79. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    Harper could've easily scored on that. Not sure why Jewett didn't send.

  80. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    Why didnt Jewitt send Harper….

  81. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    needed that…nice job ALR.

  82. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    That ball got stuck, stanton had to chase, why Harper not home,

  83. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    My guess is Jewett didn't see the ball get stuck. He should be looking for that though.

  84. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    Love a good battle between a batter and pitcher….

  85. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    Even when Werth is making outs right now, he's drilling the balls.

  86. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    Positive out for Werth

  87. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Productive out for Werth…. Come on Anthony… Take a few pitches next time, please…

  88. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    Woah Strasburg calm down

  89. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    Fast ball he thought he could drive. Was wrong.

  90. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    Tight zone, although Strasburg has missed by a lot on some.

  91. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    Is Strasburg okay?

  92. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    We just are clueless on how to holf runners.Lets walk just like they walked us. Our guys who walked both scored.McCatty are you going to stand by and watch or coach?

  93. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:37 PM

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  94. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    Why he has poor control someone always assume he is not fine.He looks fine, just no control.

  95. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    Come on Stephen… Throw Strikes…

  96. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    DP, he doesn't look okay…he's not a big fan of the 1st inning.

  97. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    His curve a tad high. Fix it.

  98. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    He loojs fine. He is just not tgrowing strike.

  99. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    Yikes. Strasburg just has no command today. Is he okay?

  100. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    That is pathetic…

  101. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    He was 0 for his last 18

  102. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    I am more pissed at McCaddy

  103. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    I called for after second pitch to Stanton. To go do his thing.

  104. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    Ramos should have been walked out there… What the hell….This is ridiculous…

  105. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    Still also mad at zim for taking strike 3

  106. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    This is bad.

  107. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    They are rocking SS asz…. Unh…

  108. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    His breaking ball not breaking, throwing just fast balls you are no better than Detwiler.

  109. Another_Sam - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    Get the hook.

  110. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    Dan Haren costume night?

  111. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    Easy to hit just fastballs

  112. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    He will pitch great after this. Why hook? That seems like a panic move

  113. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    Wow, the pitcher too.

  114. Another_Sam - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    Where's that hook?

  115. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    Bochie hooked Cain the otger night, which was totally stupid.The walking people piss more tgan the hits.

  116. paul brandt - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    now this is just comical…what is McCatty waiting for?

  117. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    This is BP practice for them…. 5 damn runs…

  118. nats guy - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    I think the reason the question about Strasburg being Ok is that sometimes TJ pitchers sometime have control issues when they beginning to have problems with the elbow again.I suspect he is just having a real bad night.Anyhoo looks like a very long night. They are killing him and it is probably time to get out the long man. I suspect he won't get by the 2nd inning. Hard to watch.

  119. Joe Seamhead - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    This is painful to watch right now.

  120. nats guy - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    They better score a hell of alot of runs tonight.

  121. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    That was not the first inning I expected.For people wanting the hook, someone has to warm up. Ohlendorf was warming up. It takes time.

  122. JaneB - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    Okay. The messages to me are: if this was Dan Haren. We would be calling for him to be DFA'ed. Two. Stras needs to take a break tonight in the longest inning ever.I hope the Marlins pitcher will continue as he started. Oy oy oy.

  123. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    He will pitch fine after this.Our hitters who were not nearly as good as tgeirs need to get those runs right back.

  124. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    That first inning was brutal… SS doesn't have the command tonight….He is gonna have to be creative and Ramos will have to call a good game….

  125. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    I would let Strasburg go back out, but with Ohlendorf warmed and ready.

  126. David Proctor - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    This might end up being the sloppiest game ever played.

  127. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    We are just missing hits. Fouling balls straight back means just missed.Once losing you cant just miss.

  128. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    Bunting is just not that hard.

  129. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    There is the difference 2-0 we swing not giving a chance to go 3-1.They didnt swing. I blame Davey and Eck for the approach

  130. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:58 PM

    Why in the heck did Desi swing at that…. Ugh…

  131. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    Make tge guy throw strikes. My goodness do they think they can hit a ball foot outside. He didnt swing at the one before and the last one was worse.

  132. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    I explained last night though I was wrong. They don't care a strikeout is not tge stigma it was 40 years ago. The pitch at no time was strike on tge last one.

  133. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    Put him away, dont screw around like you did Lucas

  134. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    Wow

  135. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    There is nothing wrong he just throwing way too many balls.

  136. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    There is something wrong. I've never seen Strasburg look like this.

  137. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    called that unfortunately…Stanton loves Nats pitching.

  138. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    This is a test to see if he have quitters on the team.

  139. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:09 AM

    Hopefully the Nats will continue to be patient… And have better at bats…

  140. Scott Margenau - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    Umm. Maybe he's just not as good as we thought

  141. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    yep Bryce, its a yawner.

  142. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    At some point, we all have to ask ourselves, what if Stephen Strasburg is just a very good pitcher, but that is all.

  143. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Maybe this is just an elaborate plot to help Haren's confidence. Tomorrow when Haren gives up 6 runs, he won't feel so bad now.

  144. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Say he is for trade see how many line up.Just a bad game nothing more.

  145. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Tuned in a little late. Anything much happen?

  146. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    If Strasburg is just a very good pitcher, I'm fine with that. He's better than this, that's for damn sure.

  147. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:14 AM

    It is pretty common to see first round picks in sports end up just being decent players. Strasburg is obviously better than decent but he has shown me very little this year that makes me think of Tom Seaver or Bob Gibson or what have you.

  148. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:15 AM

    Guys, turning on Strasburg because of one bad start is about as low as it gets on here. Maybe he's not elite, we don't know. To say he's not that good, is just dumb. His floor is very, very good. His ceiling is elite.

  149. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:15 AM

    looks like Stras is done after 2 innings, 66 pitches.

  150. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:16 AM

    There have been no games with large numbers of K's. There have been no games where he has come close to no-hitters. He had a very good record last year, fwiw. I want to find him impressive. I just don't really, since the first year.

  151. Scott Margenau - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:16 AM

    Why does everyone think Bryce is so good? He's just not.

  152. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    Okay, I'm out. You people are ridiculous tonight.

  153. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    Ladies and gentlemen, I don't often do this but I am invoking the once-a-season "It's OK to drink in the third inning rule." The bar is open. Barkeep, bourbon and Maalox all around for my friend.

  154. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    Everybody thinks Bryce is so good because everybody watches him and the stats back up what everybody sees. It is pretty obvious.

  155. BigCat - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    Just got home. WTF

  156. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    Okay… Ludicrous thinking…. Good lord…

  157. Unknown - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    What a joke. I'm done with this team.

  158. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    Nobody said Strasburg wasn't good. Where did you get that, D.Proctor? I just think people in DC were expecting another Walter Johnson. He can't stay healthy, but when he does pitch he is generally very good, although not quite Cy Young. Two very poor outings in a row where he couldn't get the ball over the plate. He hit 3 guys on Sunday, so something is off.

  159. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    In 14 of Strasburg's starts this year, he's allowed 2 runs or less. ANY team would love to have him. These games happen to the absolute best. Verlander gave up 8 runs in one inning at one point this year. To say he's not good, or even worse, Harper isn't good, is just stupid. Sorry, it's stupid.

  160. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    WODL, I'm pretty sure Scott said "maybe he's just not that good?" and then said something about Harper not being good as well. That's just ridiculous to the max.I understand Strasburg may not be Walter Johnson. We don't know. But to say he's not very good is just dumb.

  161. ExposedinDC - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    This Marlin starter is a real warrior…..great example of strong perseverance. The Nats could use some of that makeup.

  162. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    good move to get SS out of there, no reason to keep him in…game's still young, this is the Marlins but we can't give up any more runs.

  163. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    Zimm'nn's hurt, Stras is rocked what's next? We sign Chien Ming-Wang off waivers? Anybody have Daniel Cabrera's cell phone number?

  164. Scott Margenau - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    Ok. This team irks me. Davey is a idiot, that's clear. I look at the lineup each day and wonder how we don't win…but it's down to bad choices. Aleichem, Span, Zim at 3rd, espi, etc. these cost us games. It's just bad mismanagement. Very exasperating. I truly hope things get better.

  165. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:25 AM

    So let me get this straight Scott: Harper sucks, Strasburg sucks, Davey sucks. Why even watch the team?

  166. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:26 AM

    The guys said "so good" and "very good" in his quotes so you need to read what he wrote so that you are not defending something else. Has Strasburg delivered so far? He sort of did last year. I don't know if Verlander is the standard that people are looking to when you are talking about the "greatest pitching prospect" ever.I will say that tickets to Sunday's game when Stras was pitching were surprisingly cheap and easy to get. I think people are ready to see him take the next step. His FIPs stats are good but not great this year.

  167. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:27 AM

    He is way off as he he said tge same thing about Harper

  168. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    Strasburg is statistically better this year than last (although I suspect this start will change that).

  169. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    We all need a dose of good news. Here it is, courtesy of the AP:B.J. Upton has left the Braves' game against the Reds with an apparent knee injury, marking the second straight night Atlanta has lost an outfielder. Justin Heyward was held out of Friday's lineup after straining his right hamstring on Thursday night. Jordan Schafer is already on the disabled list.

  170. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    If it irks watch a team that doesnt.Irks me to but I assume we will still winuntil the game is over.

  171. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    I don't find an injury good news, even if it's a division rival. And to be honest, the Braves are probably better without BJ Upton anyway.

  172. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    I realize code words like he used and read it the same way David did.

  173. ExposedinDC - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    Ollie to the rescue

  174. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    Gio and Jordan are excellent pitchers and I think it is hard to make an argument that Strasburg is the ace of the staff. Right now, he is a fringe All Star-type pitcher that any team would love to have. Am I disappointed? Yes, but only because everyone said he had the talent to be an all-time great.Is Strasburg still one of my favorite players? Yes, but we have to try to be honest and loyal at the same time.

  175. BigCat - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    The boat is taking on water. The rats are beginning to jump.

  176. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    People getting hurt to me is mever good news.I want to beat you , but dont want you hurt.So what is tge good news?

  177. ExposedinDC - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    Chip away…. One or two runs at a time

  178. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    I understand WODL. I'm not saying Strasburg is a once in a generation player (although at 24, he could certainly still develop into one). I think JZimm is clearly the ace of this staff with Gio and Stras tied behind him. Regardless, to suggest he's "just not very good", which is what Scott said, is ludicrous.

  179. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:33 AM

    You think like me mostly. Though I do think I hate losing more than they do.My wife hates it even more as I am not a quiet angry.

  180. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    With any luck, the Reds will hold on and the Braves will bail us out yet again.

  181. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    Wait 10 years to make a decision

  182. BigCat - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:35 AM

    How much longer before we call it a wrap snd start bringing up the prospects? First one I bring up is the CF in Harrisburg. Lets see what the kid has got

  183. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:36 AM

    It depends on what stats you look at. Stras has given up a lot of unearned runs this year and that is a hugely problematic stat that no one who looks at advanced stats thinks should be a free ride. He still seems to not deal all that well with adversity. He blew this game all by himself with 7 base-runners in the first inning and then grooved a pitch to Stanton. He walked everybody except the guy everybody walks. Horrible performance, but hopefully it doesn't mean he is tired or whatever.

  184. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:36 AM

    Finally a hit. None since the first.

  185. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:36 AM

    I never relish in injury news… But yeah I bet the Braves are better without Bj…I am, however, thoroughly disgusted with how this game started and is going….

  186. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    I told you we are winning the division

  187. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    BigCat, you don't give up on a season when you're 4 games out. We're literally 4 games out of a playoff spot.

  188. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:38 AM

    It's too bad the one evening I am home and figure I can watch a game with "friends" here… Oh, well, off to WaPo.

  189. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    I am not impressed with our batters who seem to have given up for the night, apparently having gotten the three runs that are supposed to guarantee victory….

  190. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    We just need to score. They did why cant we?

  191. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    Completely understand NL…. But well, when the Nats are losing, this is what we get…

  192. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:40 AM

    I am with you. However your man Span leads off the 5th

  193. DJB - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:40 AM

    Strasburg is a good pitcher that the league didn't have time to adjust to last year. The league has adjusted. If he is off now, he gets rocked. More importantly, he is frail and can't be relied upon for a full season. All the more reason why the shut down was a mistake. The "curse of the shutdown" – are we going to be the next Cubs franchise? Why won't anyone call Rizzo out? He's made epic mistakes and everyone is in thrall like he is P.T. Barnum?

  194. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    I stand by comment i hate losing more than they do.I can not make us win, thus I have no control.They have control but do nothing about it.

  195. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    How often has Strasburg been rocked, DJB? Please do share.

  196. BigCat - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:43 AM

    As usual , we spin our wheels a little in the first inning or 2, now we won't sniff of anything until the 8th or 9th where we will hit a 2 run shot and everyone will talk excitedly. We need a whole new coaxing staff!

  197. SonnyG10 - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:43 AM

    Well, I'm near Niagara Falls, NY, with no eyes on ears on the game. It sounds like my Nats are not doing so well. I was hoping things would turn around after we got the full lineup back. Wish I could see what's going on. My internet connection is not very good.

  198. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:44 AM

    Mets look like they will shut down Harvey in September too.It will become the new normal.

  199. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:45 AM

    What a play by Rendon

  200. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:47 AM

    Top of first fine the rest Strasburg didnt tgrow strikes, and then our hitters quit so far after the first.

  201. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    Indeed

  202. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    The shutdown was stupid and I am not afraid to say it. I said it last year, but groupthink usually shouted down anyone who had a different opinion. There was no reason he should not have been available for relief work, even it it was only as a decoy. Instead, we just showed our hand and shut him down after a couple of bad starts, which is what he has just had this year.

  203. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    Rendon has been a joy to watch since he came back up…

  204. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    Span needs patience.

  205. jeffwx - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    The team is jinxed. you can't hit when the pitcher is on, you hit when the pitcher is off.It's bad karma, the curse of the Beast. You gotta believe. and stop singing his song at the park…it will only make things worse.

  206. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    It looks like both teams have stopped playing and are just trying to get this one over quick to make up for the long first inning.

  207. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:50 AM

    I am trying so hard to be positive…this is really tough

  208. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    Not hitting the ball well is not jinxed. It is bad hitting.

  209. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    rock bottom.

  210. JaneB - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    But thank you for trying Mick. Seriously. We all need to keep trying. Negativity doesn't help them a whit.

  211. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:52 AM

    Outside of the first inning…. Every single Nat, with the exception of Ramos, has had poor/dumb at bats…

  212. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:53 AM

    Interesting. Did you hear what FP just said? Harper asked Davey to let him leadoff. That would be interesting.

  213. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:54 AM

    Jeff the team isn't Jinxed. They Stink. And Davey cant get his tired Butt outta here quick enough. A lot of animosity in that dugout. you can see it. Rizzo and Davey ruined this team.

  214. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:55 AM

    Nats need to be over 500 at break and 6 or less back of Braves from a psychological standpoint…if they fall under 500, I do not know how a team recovers from it?

  215. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    I'm amused by the number of people on here who are convinced they know the atmosphere is in the dugout or clubhouse. None of us know anything. All we know is what's been reported and that's been that the clubhouse is still positive.

  216. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    MICK!!!!!! CMON man 90 plus games is a good enough sample size. They Stink. ITS OVER> AND YES I WILL STILL WATCH AND BE NEGATIVE>

  217. karlkolchak - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:57 AM

    Big Cat – who are these "prospects" you are referring to? We've already seen every minor league position player who is even close to MLB ready, and other than Rendon they all stunk the joint out. The lack of position player talent in the minors turned out to be a HUGE liability this year–and will be for several years to come as other than Brian Goodwin the cupboard is quite bare for non-pitchers above the Low A minor league level.

  218. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:57 AM

    Wasian….one has to wonder if a major move will be made at break involving Davey either stepping down or retiring? I think it is a fair question and not a LOD response

  219. jeffwx - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:58 AM

    It feels like alternative universe blog…Stras not very good..don't see anything special like an 89 mph hook.. even though he has one of the best whips/era before tonights start.This is like saying Nolan Ryan is overrated…Madness rules

  220. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:58 AM

    There is NO CHANCE of Davey stepping down early. I can promise you that. Not until this team is out of it. We are 4 games out of a playoff spot right now, folks.

  221. karlkolchak - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM

    David Proctor – yeah, because we all know how "probing" those silly clubhouse interviews are.

  222. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM

    David…that may be true, but apparently and most importantly, it appears that the coaching staff may not have a feel for their team?I honestly do no know, but I can tell you, I did not expect this tonight

  223. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:01 AM

    I guarantee you Mark and co. may not know everything, but they know more than you, me, or anyone else on here. And I suspect they know much more than they report as a lot of things are said "off the record."

  224. Faraz Shaikh - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:05 AM

    in history of baseball from 1901 to 2013, there have been two pitchers with 360 or less IP in their first four seasons and have more than 400 strikeouts. one is stephen strasburg and the other is — better believe this one — rob dibble.

  225. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:05 AM

    Comeback time!

  226. jeffwx - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:06 AM

    curse of the beast

  227. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:07 AM

    I think Davey has lost the team. I think they think hes lost it. Hes gone after this season. Just go early. Please

  228. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:07 AM

    Mark in this blog says Nats must win 2 of 3 verse Marlins…I think conventional wisdom was tonight was a win with Stras..with that apparently not the case, it means both Haren and Jordan have to step up

  229. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM

    Players love Davey everywhere he goes. There is absolutely no reason to think that that Davey has lost the team. None.

  230. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    JeffWx apparently you have never bothered to nose around any stats sites. They all say that Nolan Ryan was overrated. Bill James said he was closer to average than to Tom Seaver. Go do some research and then report back when you have some data and not just your man-crush on Nolan Ryan's speed.

  231. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    Wasian…I remember in 2003 the Marlins had a coaching change mid season and got the World Series, of course Steve Bartman helped out with that, lol

  232. jeffwx - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:10 AM

    WODL, I think you've gone AWOL.

  233. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:11 AM

    What is lost tonight in Strasbourg pitching like Rudy Stine oaths fact that once again minus the first inking is that the hitting once again stinks.

  234. jeffwx - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:11 AM

    from the history of the metsOnce out of the glaring New York spotlight, Ryan became one of the best pitchers in history, spending 22 more years in the majors and entering the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1999 as a Texas Ranger. Fregosi battled injuries and played just 146 games for the Mets over a season and a half. Meanwhile Otis became a star with the Kansas City Royals while Foy lasted only one season in New York.

  235. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:11 AM

    So many of the homers on here were predicting a sweep of the easy Marlins. Anytime anyone predicts a sweep in baseball, ask them how much they laid down on it. It is virtually never a more probable than not event in MLB. The Marlins took 3 of 6 against the Braves over two weeks.

  236. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    Oh my god, does anyone else hear this obnoxious whistle sound?

  237. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    William O. Douglas Loeffler very trueand if Marlins win this series and the fact the Nats lost 3 of 4 to Phillies with the full lineup back, what does it tell one about the state of this team? I am not bashing them, I think they are giving 100%, I am starting to believe they are only the third best team in the division and a slight rebuilding of this team has to begin in 2014. I will take a 500 team over a 100 loss team, I have told myself that. That is what Nats are 500, not a bad team but not a good team

  238. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    So David on a serious note give me the short version of what is wrong with the team. Please

  239. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    That is not data, Jeffwx. That is an excerpt from some Mets' thing. Ryan's reputation was largely built on longevity, not brilliance, and it was also built on pitching to an old age. He is more Hoyt Wilhem than Tom Seaver and no one that I know would put him in the same breath as guys like Tom Seaver. When I hear ignorant Mets fans saying that he was the best pitcher to ever spend time on the Mets roster, it makes me wonder what sorts of fans the Mets actually have, because nobody with an I.Q. over 60 thinks he was close to Tom Seaver, either as a pitcher, or as a human being….

  240. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    @WODL: Yeah, we're homers here. This is a Nats fans chat room. You were expecting, what?And for the record, I STILL think we're going to sweep these bums.

  241. jeffwx - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:18 AM

    Tell that to Steve McCatty, he picked him for his century team….Do you suppose you know more about pitching than McCatty ? Maybe you do ?

  242. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Methat means Haren and Jordan pitch their best games of the season…what is honestly the likelihood of that? maybe Jordan does and maybe Nats can score 10 runs when haren pitches…I suppose its possible

  243. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    Yes David I heard to turn down the sound. Somebody smack that person. Should have started ohlie

  244. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:20 AM

    Well the good news with Haren is that it's hard to hit a home run in this park. I guess that's…something?

  245. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    there you go David… very true

  246. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:24 AM

    Do you know what overrated means, Jeff? It means people think someone or something is better than it is. Ryan is a fringe Hall of Famer in most people's estimation. He had a career similar in effectiveness to Bert Blyleven and Jack Morris, although they were much better in the post-season. I frankly value Bill James' opinion much more than Steve McCatty's, to the extent that Steve McCatty said something different. Nobody who grew up watching Nolan Rylan thinks he is a Sandy Koufax caliber pitcher. Nobody. And if Steve McCatty does, then maybe he needs to go find a profession he knows something about.Repeat after me. You can't walk more than 1,000 batters more than anyone in baseball history and be 2nd in wild pitches and be an elite pitcher like Sandy Koufax or Tom Seaver.

  247. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:24 AM

    go Reds keep this at 6, please

  248. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    then the Res would be 5 up in wild card…. I guess I should root for reds

  249. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    Yay Span finally gets a hit. It's the small victories at this point.

  250. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    Span with a clutch hit!

  251. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    is there any word on Stras??

  252. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:28 AM

    Bernadina my goodness man. Hahahahahaha. Just futile. Ive gone mad. I'm actually laughing now. Maybe its to keep from crying. Did Carp just say Hats one swing away from changing this game? Hahahaha. Oh man I'm going to watch risky business hahahA

  253. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:29 AM

    I think this was like the game Detwiler had a few Sundays back where the ump wouldn't give him his strike.

  254. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:29 AM

    if Stras is not hurt then I am baffled

  255. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:30 AM

    mick, yea, stras was last seen at the hotel bar getting hammered watching the game on TV.

  256. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:31 AM

    I'm sorry folks but to hear Carp and FpP act like there hope is just humorous to me.

  257. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:31 AM

    Orebdorf so far the only positive.Actually hitters were positive in the first. In tge second and third we could have score as the pitcher was still throwing balls, but we preferred to swing then take a ball.

  258. jeffwx - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:32 AM

    Just tell me WODL, would you consider yourself a better judge of pitching talent than Steve McCatty ?Question 2, Do you think you are a former and deceased Supreme court justice ?

  259. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:32 AM

    Do they really take a shower and leave?

  260. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:32 AM

    if Stras let the ump get to him…that is on Stras and shame on him…look at Gio the other night, he should maturity and poise and pitched like champ in site of the umpire..I thought Stras had grown up?champions do not let bad umpires lose a game or affect their mind set…

  261. sjm308 - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:33 AM

    Hi everyone – I rarely do this but just came on to trash the masn Sunshine Bobby. Bad enough we are playing poorly but I have to listen to such brilliance like "Dunn warming in the pen to probably face LaRoche". Of course FP jumps in to remind him that duh. Harper is also a lefty.

  262. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    paul lol

  263. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    If the clubhouse and dugout is positive great, but the field says more than anything else.

  264. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:35 AM

    Wow. Harper got that.

  265. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:36 AM

    Harper crushed it…what a silly set up of a stadium…anywhere else it's a HR and same with Zim's to right field earlier, oh well.

  266. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:36 AM

    Loud outs excite me…

  267. Scott Margenau - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:36 AM

    Damn it.

  268. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    That's a home run anywhere except there and Houston. That was well over 400 feet.

  269. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    You cant get a homer to center.Best contact since he came back, but anywhere but center.However he hit it where it was pitch so I am not mad. Most hitters been swinging weakly since tge first. That though was good.

  270. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    FP and Bobby…stop…bottom line is it is an out, I do not care about other ball parks…it stays 7-3

  271. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:38 AM

    Frickin hate that ball park…

  272. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    That is such a stupid question, Jeffwx. First of all, I don't care what Steve McCatty's opinion is, particularly. He is one pitching coach among hundreds in professional baseball in the U.S. I can only hope that he doesn't espouse ignorant opinions regarding Hall of Famers. Nobody thinks he was close to the top among pitchers. If you disagree, then do some research and write a book or an article. Maybe you can get McCatty to help you.I also never said a word about Ryan's pitching talent. I only said that he was a fringe Hall of Famer. I agree that he had huge talent and wasted a great deal of it. If you aren't going to bother to read what I write, then I am just going to assume that you are bored. Go look at Ryan's stats and see if you can figure out how to argue that he was equal to Seaver, Johnson or Koufax in terms of what he accomplished. I recently saw an interesting article on this on Posnanski's blog and Ryan consistently came up short in everything except for longevity.

  273. Depot Master - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    Even if you are happy to see upton out, this means another guy that hits better will likely take his place.

  274. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    is Ohlendorf out of options? FP saying if he's not on our roster he may very well be on another MLB roster…not sure what he meant??

  275. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    Yeah MnF and DP – I thought he had it… I started slowly rising out of my chair watching… Lol… But it was a good swing…

  276. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:41 AM

    I thought you said no comments until September. Do I misrember this 2 nights you came after you said you wouldn't

  277. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:41 AM

    THE WHISTLING IS BACK. GOD.

  278. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:43 AM

    The worst, i.e., stupidest thing a pitcher can do in the Marlins' Park is to come in an walk everybody. So either the ump had a bad strike zone in the first that magically went away for both pitchers as the ump settled down, or Strasburg pitched a stupid game, or Strasburg is having real control problems now. I am not sure which it is.

  279. Faraz Shaikh - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:43 AM

    from 1921 to 2013, no pitcher has pitched fewer innings than SS and got more WAR than he has done as a full time starter (according to BBref). 7.8 in 357 innings.Alexi Ogondo has 8.4 in 332 innings but many of the games he appeared in are as a reliever.

  280. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    Bad break for Abad there. Should be an unearned run.

  281. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    If I am right, Abad has given up at least 1 run in his last 3 appearances.

  282. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    So you are saying that Stras is very good but terribly injury-prone? I think we all buy that.

  283. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:46 AM

    DP, Charlie & Dave were commenting on it via the radio and sounded none too pleased with the whistling…at one point one of them said, what's the point of whistling? am sure its much more annoying for them, they can't turn down the volume.

  284. Faraz Shaikh - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:47 AM

    terribly injury-prone? he has missed that one year due to TJ and couple of weeks this season. that's it. injury-prone pitchers tend to miss more than that.

  285. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:47 AM

    are the Marlins really 33-57?

  286. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:48 AM

    Lets score some runs. Hit like you did in the first ,(actually 2 walks then)

  287. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    You are wrong. Abad gave up a run on Jul 8. The last time he gave up a run before that was Jun 17.

  288. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    One of the main differences this year is the poor performance of the bench. Tyler Moore apparently has the worst WAR in the majors. Bernadina has been horrible. Lombardozzi has been horrible. Tracy has been horrible except for the homers. Suzuki has been terrible offensively. Tonight has been one of the worst games of the entire season.

  289. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    that was a dumb play by Rendon, he had plenty of time to get the runner but he will learn from it…would rather he do it down 4 runs than down 1 but it was not a hit.

  290. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:50 AM

    So what does this make us, like 12 of the last 23 or something? Where do we finish if we keep playing at that clip?

  291. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:50 AM

    William O. Douglas Loefflerwhat bothers me about Stras, is just when you think he has grown up… he acts like a 10 year old if calls do not go his way…that not only hurts his team, but I think his team mates get tired of it as well. I can not emphasize enough the contrast between Gio and Stras

  292. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:50 AM

    Are we the only team that get a crappy Cuban? Every other Cuban seems to be a stud.

  293. sjm308 - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:51 AM

    Mick – as I leave here tonight, I just want to say that you have done an amazing job at staying calm. Hang in my friend and tomorrow will be another day. I will now switch to Charlie and Dave in the hopes that we can have some sort of miracle finish. Very disappointing to say the least.

  294. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:53 AM

    NatsLady said…You are wrong. Abad gave up a run on Jul 8. The last time he gave up a run before that was Jun 17.are you only counting earned runs?

  295. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:53 AM

    How in the world did that ball stay in the park? This game should be tied or a 1 run game right now.

  296. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:53 AM

    Man laroche is lost up there. Disgusting loss tonight. Starsburg is a big baby. Needs to grow up. Seethe the only guy with testicles

  297. Faraz Shaikh - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:54 AM

    in all of baseball's history, only yu darvish is ahead of SS in k/9 as a full time starter in first four MLB seasons while pitching fewer than 360 innings. if I change restriction to minimum 355 innings, SS is ahead of guys like Wood and Prior but they both have more than 300 innings in their first four years.

  298. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:54 AM

    Now ALR shows patience and not swing in a 2 strike count on a ball in the middle.

  299. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:55 AM

    Unh… This ball park isn't playing fair for us…

  300. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:55 AM

    Faraz, they treat him like a prize racehorse. First of all, he missed several weeks last year. He went on the disabled list for a mystery thing this year, and they yank him way earlier than most pitchers. He has never pitched the nats through a tough outing where you have to go 8 innings and carry the team. He pitches his five or six or seven innings and that is that. Let's not recall the temper tantrum on the mound against the Cubs earlier this year where he seemed to be pulled for being pissed off at a teammate.I am frankly ready to see him take the next step and become a real pitcher, i.e., a guy who can actually complete a game in the majors. Maybe that will happen next year.

  301. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 1:59 AM

    Just bad control. Not hard to figure.

  302. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:00 AM

    All runs. Abad gave up a 1 run (earned) on Jul 8.Abad gave up 1 run (earned) on Jun 17.Abad game up 1 run (earned) on Jun14Abad gave up no runs at all from the time he was called up on May 17 until that first run on June 14. Prior to tonight, 16 innings, 3 runs, 2 walks, 19 strikeouts.http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=abadfe01&t=p&year=

  303. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:01 AM

    WERTh only guy with a pair

  304. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:01 AM

    K's/9 mean more when a guy pitches some real innings. Most people would say that Strasburg has generally been fine except for the injury, but part of the problem with striking out 14 to start is that people wonder why you never did it again or really even have come close…. Lots in baseball is about perception. Is Stras better than Nolan Ryan so far? Of course, but people perceived Ryan to be much better than he was. Stras has not been exciting really since that first year, extremely competent, yes, but not exciting in the way that Valenzuela or Ryan excited people. Koufax did both things, as did Seaver, Feller and Gibson and Walter Johnson and that is why those guys are at the top.

  305. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    First two pitches to Ramos were the hittable pitches. One thing to take the first, no exuse to take the second.Again bad hitting approach. We need to clobber fast balls down the middle. Not take them.

  306. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    It's jet lag… Gotta be jet lag…

  307. sjm308 - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:05 AM

    One night its the ump – the next its the parkcould it honestly be that we are just not playing up to our ability?

  308. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:06 AM

    RISP us 1 for 8, them 3 for 7

  309. sjm308 - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:06 AM

    Mick – very very difficult to argue with NatsLady – she usually has the facts. Opinons are one thing but facts are right there in black and white. I think that run should have been unearned by the way but its what home cooking is all about.

  310. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    SS had very poor control of the ball and his emotions…he looks like a spoiled little 1st grader who didn't get his favorite flavor tootsie pop from the teacher after answering a tough question. He pouts, he does that silly stop and stare in to the ump if he doesn't get a close pitch and umps don't like it. It's getting old, grow up and throw strikes and pitch like you should pitch and have pitched. He's still an incredible talent, just think he needs to mature a bit more & have fun, smile, your a multi-millionaire playing a game for goodness sake.

  311. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    I mean…it's fact that Harper and Werth hit those as Home Runs in any other park except maybe Houston. Harper's hit is estimated at 410 feet away.

  312. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:09 AM

    Nats lady..ok you are only counting earned runs, that is fine. I look at unearned as well and I think a lot of fans do as well. I do not mean if a runner is on third with less than 2 outs and he gives up a sac fly, that is fine…i mean if bases are loaded and he comes in and gives up a homer , he is only charged 1 run and if a runner is on base and he gives up a hit and the run scores, that is not fine with me as well as a majority of fans and coachesneedless to say, Abad is the very least of the team's issues

  313. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:09 AM

    You can see why Harper has a baseball crush on Werth.

  314. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:10 AM

    No, mick, I am counting ALL runs.

  315. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:11 AM

    Question for Carp, who keeps Carping out how hard it is to hit a ball out of this amusement park?If it's that hard, how does Giancarlo Stanton do it so regularly?

  316. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:11 AM

    sjm…I am including unearned runs with Abad as well as any other reliever…go back and look at games in which he has given up a hit with men on and they score. the unearned stat is very deceptive

  317. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:12 AM

    even unearned?

  318. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:12 AM

    Keep the damn line moving

  319. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    For one, Stanton is one of the best power hitters of this generation. For two, his home runs are down so he doesn't do it "so regularly."Mick, she's including unearned runs.

  320. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    Abad has not given up any unearned runs. Period.Check the link I gave, it shows earned and unearned runs.

  321. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    am i confusing Stammen with abad?

  322. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM

    nats have KO'd 9 times? that is what Bobby C just said

  323. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM

    FP sez the Nats batters ought to change their game plan for the rest of the Marlins series.Nats hitters have a game plan?

  324. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM

    >am i confusing Stammen with abad?This is not a question I can answer with baseball reference.

  325. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM

    Got to love Span takes a third strike and Ian swings at 2 way outside to strike out.Hitting approach again.

  326. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:17 AM

    OK

  327. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:17 AM

    mick, yep 9 times and its the marlins…un-real.

  328. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:19 AM

    Well now we need Dan Haren to come up big. We were cursing the ballpark tonight. Tomorrow we may be thanking it.

  329. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:20 AM

    the break can't come soon enough…this team needs to have a knock down drag out team meeting and Davey and Rizzo need to get in some of this guys grills… it is time for tough love and that involves a kick in some asses..if a player can not respond to it, its time for that player to go

  330. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:21 AM

    paul what hurts is the marlins are a 33-57 team only 16,000 at park ona Friday night as wellthere are no words that can adequately express tonight

  331. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:22 AM

    Harper walks and Zim swings at first pitch.He barely tops it, so obiously not a hitters pitch.Tell me the hitting approach is not flawed.But obviously Davy and Eck dont mind.

  332. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:23 AM

    if Ray Knight was the manager…hee hee, i can only imagine how he would respond

  333. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:23 AM

    Eh, the Marlins beat Atlanta too, they didn't sweep. Stras didn't have it, that's all.

  334. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    mick, agree, bring in tortorella for a pep talk, this is getting real old, will still try and be positive but it really is just insane…my neck hurts from shaking my damn head left to right…its really puzzling but time to shake things up somehow, someway.

  335. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:25 AM

    David Proctor said… For one, Stanton is one of the best power hitters of this generation. For two, his home runs are down so he doesn't do it "so regularly."I think a more like reason his homers are down would have been that Stanton was hurt for about six weeks this season.

  336. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:26 AM

    MNF, not only does Davey not mind, he TOLD the hitters to swing more often at the first pitch. He said, the best way to time a pitcher is to swing. He said the hitters were "tracking" (taking) too many pitches. Fortunately, Werth doesn't listen to Davey, and Harper listens to/watches Werth.

  337. BigCat - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:26 AM

    It's time. Eck needs to go at the break

  338. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:27 AM

    I think Davey's approach is misunderstood. All Davey wants is for you to swing at the first pitch if it's a center-cut fastball. He doesn't say go out and always swing early. Just do it if the opportunity is there. Earlier in the season, we were taking strike 1 no matter what and falling behind. It was even worse.

  339. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    Eck is only doing what Davey wants. You can fire him, but the next guy won't be any better. I don't think Span got fooled on that pitch he took, but, not defending Stras, that was a call Stras was NOT getting in the first inning. Span would not have been able to get good wood on a pitch that far outside–if it's going to be a called strike there isn't much you can do.

  340. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    true nats lady…but Braves are on top of the division and Nats are trying to come back…that is not how a team trying to compete responds with their ace…I respect your opinion but please respect and understand the frustration when the entire line up is back, your ace is pitching, the team is coming off losing 3 of 4 to another division rival and they play with no sense of urgency there was nothing positive at all about tonight and this trend as several posters have stated is now over 90 games..it is not too early and the injury issue is now moot..either they are under achieving (I do not think they are) or they are just not that good (that is probably the case)as i said, i will take a 500 team over what we as fans went through with 100 plus losses back to back..its just very tough to accept this, but it is what it is

  341. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    They need some one kicking their butts. They aren't kicking their own butt.

  342. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:32 AM

    paul…I would pay top dollar to watch my boy John T get in some of these guys grills…that would be quite entertaining

  343. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:32 AM

    NL, well if Werth is not listening to Davey and neither is Harper since he is following Werth, that is not a real good reflection on their manager since they are essentially ignoring him, right? maybe a change is needed…

  344. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    I think the problem is they're kicking their own butts too much. I think if they'd relax, they'd play better. Just my opinion though. Hard for any of us to say.

  345. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    Werth has been Davey's biggest fan since day one.

  346. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    I saw pitches that werent center cut fastball being swung at 0-0 So his instructions are being ignored.Kick butts

  347. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:38 AM

    so bottom line. Nats only 1 over 500 with 2 to go before break. I will take just one win I cant believe i would actually be grateful if they win only won game to Marlins…who would have thunk it back in april?

  348. karlkolchak - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:38 AM

    mick – Right on, bro. And the main reason they are not that good is as I have cited before, a lack of depth. Sure, vets like LaRoche, Span, Espinoa and Zimmerman have not played up to expectations, and the injuries to Harper and Werth hurt, but what REALLY hurts is that the team has nothing…literally nothing (other than Rendon for Espinosa) to replace those guys with or even to give them a few more days off. Right now we have a team with only three starters it can rely upon and whose ace just blew up instead of being the stopper he is supposed to be, a lineup that takes whole games off and the very worst bench in baseball (thanks to that lack of depth). Yes, this is a .500 team.

  349. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:40 AM

    You and I agree 100% absolutely no urgency by enough players and this is the result.The Marlin starter was as wild as Stras, but we bailed him out by swinging at way too many pitches.We score 3 in the first and just fiddle after that.

  350. vinsan - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:41 AM

    Stras has more tools than most…and less ability to overcome adversity. If everything doesn't go just dandy, he falls apart. And this, against the lowly Marlins. It's just possible that we caught fire last year against an NL East that was in transition and expectations for '13 grew to impossible heights. We simply may be just average this year.

  351. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:41 AM

    DP, how do you know that? You just said, none of us know what is going on in the clubhouse. P brandt, I don't think there will be a change, but I do see Rizzo being pretty firm about Davey retiring after this season. Davey hinted he might not retire–he will retire. Atlanta loses, we are still 6 back. I am a Dan Haren fan tomorrow.!

  352. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    Davey all but said team quit after tge first. Didnt use the word.Used the word wind came out of the baloon.i use that term for quit.

  353. Doc - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    I beat Stras to the showers tonight!

  354. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:44 AM

    thanks karl and mnfnatslady…I will be huge Haren fan tomorrow too

  355. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:45 AM

    NL, I'm just going by what's been said and reported. None of us know what's going on behind closed doors, but Werth has never been shy about his feelings. It was pretty obvious when he wanted Riggleman out.

  356. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:46 AM

    win the next two and all is well…wow, both uptons hurt in the braves game.

  357. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:46 AM

    That is on Davey, then, IMO. He has instilled an attitude of score first and hold the lead. What happens when that doesn't happen? Davey goes to his stats and figures the odds are against a win, and that's how he plays it. Before the game, Davey was talking about how important it was to score in the first inning in an away game. Well, that happened, to the tune of three runs. But when Stras wasn't Stras, then what?

  358. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:47 AM

    Al Davis said it best "Just win Baby."

  359. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:48 AM

    nats lady…excellent pointMnFlove itjust win baby!!!

  360. Unknown - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:49 AM

    This team stinks. .500 is their top best possible. Never would have thought so, but Nats need to be sellers not buyers the rest of this month, may I suggest Span, LaRoche and Suzuki? Maybe last year was a fluke after all.

  361. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:50 AM

    well at least SS said the right things in his brief interview…I have a good feeling about the next two…Davey is aging before our eyes. go Nats!

  362. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:52 AM

    Paul – what did SS say? I missed the dang interview…

  363. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:52 AM

    OH, I definitely agree Werth had no use for RIggleman. Absolutely.And I'm sure he supports Davey, especially in public, and especially in front of the rest of the team. But he (Werth) didn't want to hit in the 2-spot. Davey put him there anyway, then eventually moved Werth down to where he wanted to be. Their philosophies are SO different. Werth believes in patience, in wearing down the starter, in getting to the underbelly of a team's middle relievers by the 6th inning. Davey wants that early lead, with the confidence that the pitching can hold it. I'm not saying either is wrong, but they are very different.

  364. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:52 AM

    Why does nobody understand that you don't sell when you're 5 back? These runs DO happen and they do happen late. It's so stupid to throw in the towel. What a defeatist attitude.

  365. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:53 AM

    It depends NL. I think Werth and Davey are closer alike than you think. Werth will go first pitch ambush on a center-cut fastball. He's been known to do it. That's all Davey is asking. He's asking for someone to swing early if it's a good pitch to hit and take if it isn't. Werth knows how to do it. Other guys swing at garbage pitches. That's on the hitters, not Davey, imo.

  366. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:55 AM

    Actually DP – the Nats should be selling and buying… We need another SP given the shakiness of Haren and Det… We need another bat for the incompetent/underachieving good squad…We should be making some type of move but not at the cost of the farm, to which I don't think we have that much down there…Now I am not saying we are out… In fact, around 500 by the AS game isn't great but it isn't bad… We need to go on a serious run after the break.. Open a can of whoop asz and do the damn thing…

  367. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:56 AM

    I'm telling you, David, that comes straight from Davey–and it worked last year. Davey didn't mind "conceding" a loss when the team was behind, conserving energy, conserving the bullpen. He made a big deal about how he was playing for the season, for series wins, not for individual games.Unfortunately, we don't have that "luxury" this year. If 89 wins will take the DIvision (and the way Atlanta is playing that could happen), we can't AFFORD to "concede" games.

  368. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:56 AM

    Unknown…may not be a bad idea… as pissed as I am about this team…they are not that far away of being a 90 plus win club in 014 and beyond….if they sell, they may have to give up a Clippard to get a young stud batter for 2014 and beyond…the problem is, these moves would be made before the new manager comes in 2014. whatever they sell, they need to get some bats for it and middle relief.I think they have their 4th and 5th staring pitches in their farm… I agree about ALR, Suzuki and yes Span. But, Clip may be the guy that could get them more bang for heir buck.Whatever they do, Rizzo (if he is the GM) needs to be careful. what is also clear is that their farm is very over rated i terms of offense…I regret to say, i think Tyler Moore will be out of the league in another 2-3 years, he is a nice young man who just can not hit

  369. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:58 AM

    No, the Nats should not be sellers. And Ross Ohlendorf just made the case (for me) that the Nats don't have to give up the farm for a starter. But Rizzo needs another lefty bat–Tracy ain't cutting it…

  370. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:00 AM

    Both philodophied are god depending on the game situation.

  371. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:00 AM

    That's fine NL, but it has nothing to do with the hitter's approach. Werth is not opposed to first pitch swinging, if it's the right pitch. In fact, Werth even said that his approach in the NLDS Game 4 at-bat was to swing at the first pitch. However, it was a low fastball and he didn't think he could do anything with it so he took it. The next one also locked him up. Then he knew he had to get it to 3-2 and foul balls off until he got his fastball. He got it, he hit it. That's what Davey wants. Be aggressive, but be smart. We're being more aggressive now, but we're not being smart about what pitches we're swinging at.

  372. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    mick, they are not trading Clip. Storen, maybe, he is young and under team control, you might get something for him. Clip is older, he is already making $4MM and he is not a closer (at least, not yet).

  373. Unknown - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    Proctor, you can't make gold out of dross. They make a run, who cares? It's just window dressing. This is an average team, not a top ten. Trade the vets, get younger and come back, with lower expectations and more humility, ready to fight. It is absolutely time to close the books on hopes for 2013. There ain't any!

  374. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:02 AM

    NL – I'm guessing Rizzo/DJ is scared that the RO with the 6+ ERA will show up sooner rather than later… To which we can't afford that… I don't see anything wrong with improving at all times…But this year is far from over although folks keep saying it is… But there are some things we need to address and do it now…

  375. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:03 AM

    We are all over thinking this as is tge team.Just play like you want it more than the opponent. That works more often then not. Number of stupid at bats or base runinning might go down.#JustWinBaby,#QuitThinkingJustDoIt

  376. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:03 AM

    Whatever Unknown. I'm sure the San Francisco Giants and St. Louis Cardinals said the same thing. Teams that go on runs late don't typically look good early on. That's why the run is needed. The talent on this team is still good. If you don't believe so, fine, but I do, and the team isn't going to sell.

  377. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:03 AM

    Storen, like Det, has a lot of potential and is young enough to correct his issues and can be dominate… I would hope we don't sell him…I don't see anyone we have that is really worth selling… So many are under performing…

  378. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    MrsB, I am learning, I will continue to learn, I will work hard, just didn't have it tonight, happens to all pitchers sooner or later.p.s. I had the volume down and was doing some work so wasn't paying 100% attention but I liked his manner-isms (not sure if that is a word??), quasi-smile, up-beat attitude, etc…more than I expected after 2 innings.

  379. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    Justin Upton got hurt too? So Heyward, BJ Upton and Justin Upton are all hurt? That's their entire outfield. Jeez.

  380. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    David, NO ONE is opposed to ambushing the pitcher on a fastball, IF you can recognize it. Look at the Onion, how he did that–don't you think Eck told him, go out there and swing at the first one… But if you have a philosophy of wearing down the starter then IN GENERAL you are not going first pitch hunting.

  381. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:06 AM

    Thanks Paul – I will say this… Our SPs should take note from Haren, who gives sound interviews after his losses… Doesn't make excuses or anything…Tonight SS was off.. Didnt help himself at all… Had the lead and just pooped on the field… I thought the SZ was moving and all over the place but it looked like SS was kinda all over the place…. It was a bad game for him… It happens… Hopefully he can use the break to rest, relax and get his self together for the next outting….

  382. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:07 AM

    I think the philisophy depends on the starter. Against a guy like today, we should be taking pitches etc. And we did that. We just didn't make him pay as much as we should have. Against a strike-thrower like Cliff Lee, you need to swing early. We did that. Both philosophies work if executed well. The problem is neither is being executed particularly well. I don't think that's on Davey.

  383. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:08 AM

    NL – I was wondering where you went….

  384. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:09 AM

    Tonight, we needed more of the 1st inning Nats… But once SS came in and let it go, the Nats panicked and started swinging from the ankles… Not really identifying pitches, rushing the approach… Walks were available but we weren't taking them…

  385. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:11 AM

    DP, yea, Justin Upton pulled up running out a ground-ball, they called it a "strained calf" but he looked like he was hurting.

  386. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:12 AM

    I mean, the guys swung the bats well in general today. The runs aren't indicative. They drew walks, they got men on base. Harper hit a ball 410+ feet with 2 men on base. Werth hit one really far too. It's not an excuse…both teams played in the same park. But in any other park, we staged a big comeback. Just how baseball goes.

  387. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:15 AM

    My father told me someting in 1960 that I pull out everyonce in a while, and tomorrow I will execute the plan.My father said trying is the language of losers, doing is the language of winners.When you cant do it, you say you will try, if you can do it, you just do it.Tonorrow I will propel win by doing it.

  388. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:23 AM

    MrsB, came back over here. Actually, considering it was a loss, the atmosphere is not too toxic.

  389. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:25 AM

    anyone else see the Tim Timmons gaffe in the SF/SD game…hysterical!!!!happened in the 3rd inning…it will be all over MLB/ESPN tomorrow…Timmons even said "my bad" knowing he missed the call and was in the middle of the play…funny as sh*&!!

  390. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:26 AM

    Kershaw gave up two runs in the first inning. So far, he hasn't panicked. Our guy Nicasio hasn't given up anything. (I consider Nicasio "our guy" because of Desi.)

  391. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:29 AM

    paul b, didn't see it, am watching Col/LAD. Guess I'll see it tomorrow.

  392. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:30 AM

    so Chris Davis seems to be going out of his way to say he has never used PED's, etc…why is he going out of his way?? hope I am wrong, but didn't Lance do this exact same thing for years? I am not an O's hater or a Chris Davis hater and I really hope he is clean but not sure why he is becoming so "public."

  393. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:30 AM

    The Dodgers scare me. They're the first time we play after the break. Which means we'll get Kershaw and Greinke. Plus they're swinging the bats well.

  394. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:31 AM

    C.D. Buckner was knocked out of the BoSi@ A's game. He Bill Miller took over at home and took a hard shot but staying in so far.Need to check SD SF game

  395. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:35 AM

    NL, saw it on MLB and they keep re-playing it…don't want to ruin it for you, but Timmons got it_______?

  396. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    David Proctor said… The Dodgers scare me.Maybe you, not me. They're a .500 team. Like us.

  397. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:38 AM

    After missing the call and then saying "My bad" Did he correct the call.To acknowledge the mistake is great, but to let it stand to me is insade abd poor officiating.If you made a mistake and you know to not fix it is stupid.

  398. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:42 AM

    MNF, it's complicated…you need to see the replay…you will agree with me after seeing it…I don't want to ruin it for you & NL.

  399. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:45 AM

    I have th giant game on now.Mlb network said nothing.Read the play by play and nothing looks unusual.Who was batting?

  400. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:54 AM

    MNF, you are lucky I have Directv and didn't turn the channel…haha…SD batter up (not sure who it was)…man on 3b, bottom of 3rd, 1-1 count, looks like it was the 36th pitch.

  401. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:57 AM

    Mlb network just revieeed giants game and didnt talk about or show the play.

  402. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 4:00 AM

    Looks like chase hudley up men on first and third….. but then …..

  403. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 4:02 AM

    MNF, #5 of the SD padres hit the ball…i just went back again and tivo'd it so you won't think i am crazy…am sure they will show it multiple times …good nite.

  404. nats guy - Jul 13, 2013 at 4:06 AM

    I just gotta say I am a Nats fan but I really hate this group of players. They just rolled over tonight. Played a half inning of baseball.Something has to change before next year.

  405. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 13, 2013 at 4:26 AM

    Jayson Werth will get them straightened out. Just seemed another night of trying to hit 'em 500 feel and got nothing but K'd.

  406. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 13, 2013 at 4:43 AM

    Finally saw it. The ball should have been called fair. The baater walked later.Of course Timmons was in the way, but umps are part of tge field, and though getting in the way, he made a second mistake by calling it wrong.I hate Timmons.

  407. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    In these risp situations, they need to stop trying to hit it out and just knock one run in at a time. It's not going out in that stadium. But anyway- my new mantra is — well at least we are not as bad as the Giants( yet). Seriously, the Barves are just trying to give us an opening…

  408. nats guy - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    Yeah but the Nats couldn't see an opening if it it them in the face. Wow last night might have been the lowest night for this franchise. I keep thinking this can't get worse.

  409. Section 222 - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    It was just 10 days ago when the Marlins beat Mike Minor, and then the next night they stole a game from Craig Kimbrel. Last night, they jumped all over Stras. You just can never tell in baseball. Which means we'll probably win tonight's game with Jose Fernandez facing Dan Haren!

  410. sjm308 - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    I am going to rant at the end of 410 posts on a game played last night. The rant has nothing to do with last nights game.I do understand that if you are 40 or under, you probably grew up with only the Orioles as your major league baseball team and I do understand people staying with them. I started as a Washington Senator fan a long long time ago. I suffered twice as two different teams were taken from this city. I did go see the Orioles both at Memorial and in their new digs and it was OK. When Angelos did what he could to keep a team out of Washington I was furious and will continue to be so. That is not my rant.A couple of days ago Boswell wrote about the Orioles and how much "fun" was being had at Camden Yards. I doubt that any Baltimore Sun columnist penned a similar article last year when we were on the way to achieving the best record in baseball. Now today I open my Washington Post and what greats me but a half page picture of an Oriole pitcher and a large article with graphs etc. What the hell is this!! You are the WASHINGTON POST not the Baltimore/Washington Post. I dare you to do the same thing during football season! Its bad enough the team I love is under achieving but now the Post has jumped ship and will be a front runner as well. I am pissed.Go Nats!!

  411. Faraz Shaikh - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    I am Faraz Shaikh and I approve this rant.

  412. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    sjm308…… Great Rant!!!!

  413. BigCat - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    Kolchak…..bringing up the "prospects" I was being a smart ass. I know we don't have a lot down on the farm.Even though baseball isn't football, you still want guys that are competitors, guys who "burn" to play, guys who will throw their helmet, guys who might get tossed. Guys who throw the f-bomb when provoked. A guy who will get in another teammates face when need be. Don't get me wrong, there is a fine line between this and a "bad attitude" like Albert Belle or a Milton Bradley. I know Mick and some of these other coaches on here know what I'm talking about. Guys you don't have to try and motivate. Guys who show up to kick someones ass. Now you look at our bunch of choir boys and you have Laroche, Rendon, Zim, Bernadina, Tracy, Moore, Lombo and Ramos. I would rate these guys as "front row" church boys. Where is Span you say? Well, he's the Pastor. Barely awake on his feet. So who does that leave in the foxhole as the grenades are being lobbed? We have Harper, Werth, Desi and Susuki. So now you throw in a 70 year old fatherly type manager and what do you get? A bunch of cupcakes where the "air comes out of the balloon" repeatly. We score a couple of early runs and they assume the fetal posistion. More than once FP has said we need a brawl or something to get these guys going. What kills me is when Davey comes out to argue an obvious umpire mistake. He ambles, or should I say "sneaks" out to the ump….mumbles a little and then heads back to his perch on the step. I don't know what to call it. Maybe heart is the word. This team has no heart. I don't know

  414. Section 222 - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    Well said 308. I'm sorry to tell you that I care very little about the Senators, but I could care even less about the Os. That their owner conspired for years to prevent my city from having its own team adds insult to injury. It's pathetic that the Post gives them as much ink as it does. Blech.

  415. BigCat - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    one guy I wish was young and could still play is Rizzo. He burns. I thought he was gonna go after Hamels last year.

  416. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    sjm, I'm not there to see the paper but that turncoat crap from Boz is sickening. That team by the way is in 3rd place and their refusal to spend money on top players may cost them.The Nats have a strategy of long-term winning and they are built for pitching and defense.Nats Park isn't a HR hitters paradise and we all know OPACY is and fans dig the longball.This competition between 2 teams seperated by 30 miles while sharing a TV Network that is run by a tyrant a-hole is very distressing. To have WaPo shove it in the Nats fan faces is disgusting. WaPo runs with the flavor of the day for their own greedy money grab of viewership. Maybe Kilgore will start writing OJ.

  417. m - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    I was impressed with the Marlins last night and the strides they have made from the beginning of the year. Where did they obtain some of these guys? It is testament to their scouting and player development. If I read right I think the Marlins have the best record among the Eastern Division teams since May. I have a few questions and I know I have the benefit of 20-20 hindsight but I am surprised by our inability to build bench or to sign any of these Cubans. If I am Rizzo and I know I am limited in my ability to sign first year players I would really focus on the Cubans who are outside of draft regulations. I know we missed on Maya and tried for Chapaman but we need position players . Where were we with Soler, Cepedes or Puig. Are there any more position players coming? I am impressed with the Mets signing of Young and Byrd. These are good platoon players which would help our bench. We can never seem to sign any of these real good bench or platoon players.

  418. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    m, yep hindsight. Rizzo had his bench set. I questioned the re-sign of Tracy from the start and there was nobody to challenge him in ST as the bench was set. Bernadina's wrist injury in the WBC didn't help and Lombo is just weak and TyMo just couldn't get it going.I've said for some time that the Nats need a RH 4th outfielder. It could've been someone like Alfonso Soriano but they would have to accept a platoon role. I still am concerned about the over-use of Jayson Werth and the ongoing health of RZim and ALR.

  419. natsfan1a - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    What they said.Faraz Shaikh said… I am Faraz Shaikh and I approve this rant.NatsJack in Florida said… sjm308…… Great Rant!!!!Section 222 said… Well said 308. Ghost Of Steve M. said… sjm, I'm not there to see the paper but that turncoat crap from Boz is sickening.

  420. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    Sjm, et al– I completely agree. I was furious when I opened my WaPo this morning!! But instead of ranting, is there someone we can email? An editor maybe? I still pay for this newspaper, and I am really angry. As for the Marlins and the NL East- it occurs to me that our division is going to be quite infuriating this season. I see the five teams beating up each other in a way that cannot be predicted from day to day. On any given day, any of the five teams can beat any of the others. It should make things interesting, I know that, but it just ticks me off.

  421. djinFl. - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    I am with the well said sjm crowd. Of course I am well past that 40 age mark also.

  422. jeffwx - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    I'm sorry WODL, I feel your comments are demeaning, and arrogant…I guess we can not have a meaninful discussion when name calling and hurtful comments are directed. In the future, I suggest keeping the personal attacks out of your blog.Good luck in your future endeavors.

  423. BigCat - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    I have knocked Werth more than once over the last 2 years, but I've gotta say he is playing great ball right now.

  424. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Coach…great post, agree 100%

  425. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Mike Wallace says Nats will roll after break?…hope he is right, however, where s the evidence after almost 100 games?

  426. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    i have lost a lot of respect for Bos today…but it is typical Post…I know many of these wormy bastards personally…when George Solomon was sports editor, he was notorious for being a turn coat and a back stabber and worst of all a liar. What he did to Lefty, UMD after Lenny Bias' death was so low down…the Post SUCKS and so does Bos

  427. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    I would like to see the Lerners tell the Post to go to hell publicly

  428. jeffwx - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    well, i grew up in new york…Shea was about 20 miles from the bronx…When the Mets were up, you heard about and same for the Yanks.But, Sharing the same network, however, is a lose-lose proposition. That has to end.Would love

  429. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    coach is so right…balt Sun and not a single baltimore/dundalk trash news outlet NEVER did a story on Nats in 2012.F the post and Bos

  430. jeffwx - Jul 13, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    I gotta say, I was upset last weekend, when a bar/restaurant downtown about 1/2 mile from Nats Park had the O's game and a car race on while the Nats were playing. Management did change the car race to the Nats after I asked.

  431. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    I guess we have to keep on speaking up. I have asked for the Nats to be turned on a several places and they have. But don't worry- it won't be an issue soon- it will be all NFL, all the time.

  432. natsfan1a - Jul 13, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    Same here, but I didn't grow up with the Senators, or the O's, and I didn't follow them after moving here from California. My family moved to the SFO Bay Area when I was a lass, and the Giants were the only local team then.Of course I am well past that 40 age mark also.

  433. jeffwx - Jul 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    Well, we have lots to be greatful for.We have a team in playoff contention at the All Star break, with one of the best starting 3 in baseball, We also have young stars Harper, Rendon and Ramos in the same lineup finally. Continued entertainment thru September.Great analyses and discussion by our bloggers.

  434. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    The Marlins will start Henderson Alvarez in Sunday’s first-half finale instead of Kevin Slowey. Alvarez will be pitching on regular rest…

  435. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    Other Marlins notes here. Must be some bad situation with Austin Kearns. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-marlins/marlins-blog/sfl-marlins-austin-kearns-notebook-blog-20130712,0,6242179.story

  436. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    Jeff- you know, we all talk as though we were in last place. There really are lots of positives. The changes that have been made since the season started are good ones. If people learn from mistakes and adversity, then our team should be amazing really soon.

  437. natsfan1a - Jul 13, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    Sounds like it, on Kearns. Hope things improve with his family situation.

  438. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    Sjm308. Awesome. First of all I don't see why you would waste your time pulling the POST out from the bottom of your parrots cage. But that's beside the point. I too agree how despicable Boswells POS. T article was. That should be grounds for dismissal. I too was an Os fan. But stopped when the Ravens came here. When DC had no baseball most rooted for the Os. When Crapmore had no football did they root for the Skins? NFW. No way.

  439. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    Mick I like you more and more every day. Of course I never read the post. Unlike a box of chocolates you DO always know what your gonna get.

  440. The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes. - Jul 13, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    People ranting about the Post seem to forget that they're in business to sell newspapers, not promote the local teams. No one can deny that there are a lot of Orioles fans who live in the DC area. When the Nats came to town, the Post covered the Orioles equally with the Nats. They had an Orioles beat writer Jorge Arangure to go along with Nats beat writer Barry Svrluga, and Boswell wrote half his columns about the O's, not just an occasional one like he does now. They did this in the hope that the O's fans in the DC area would buy their newspaper. When it became clear that their circulation was declining anyway, they quit doing it and just ran AP stories about the O's. But now the Post has its new paywall, and clearly they're trying to get O's fans to start clicking on their articles. They appear to have an O's beat writer now, Chelsea Janes, and Boswell and Sheinin are writing more about the O's than they used to. You might as well get used to it.Of course anyone who actually pays money for Washington Post content is a fool anyway. The print edition is nothing but a day-old regurgitation of stuff that's already appeared online, and the online paywall has more holes in it than Danny Espinosa's swing.

  441. Drew - Jul 13, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    I think Bob Short is stoking the fires for Peter Angelos, but I like Boz.Apologies if someone mentioned this among the rants: Micah Owings will be a two-way player in the Milwaukee system. He'll play outfield and pitch.

  442. sjm308 - Jul 13, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    One of my great pleasures, besides being retired, is taking the actual hard copy of the Post and leafing through it at my leisure every morning. I realize I can go online and get more indepth coverage etc. but I like doing the crossword puzzle, the sudoko, reading the comics and of course looking at baseball boxscores while holding the paper in my hands. I guess its a little like still liking to read an actual book instead of trying to read one on the ipad. You can call people fools and I will chose not to call you something in return, but I chose not to accept that label since I feel I get a decent return for that money.

  443. sjm308 - Jul 13, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    And Feel:I obviously know why the Post does what it does even though you think I am a fool. The newspaper that I grew up with is slowly but surely dying. Remember when we had 3 papers in this town? That doesn't mean I have to like it. Again, want to bet we ever see a full color picture of a Raven on the front of the Post Sports page when football season is in full swing?

  444. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    sjm, I don't think you're a fool…I like you and like your insight…keep reading the Post all you want.

  445. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    I don't think paying for property you could easily shoplift necessarily makes one a fool, or a sucka, or unhip, or whatever. FWIW. IMO. YMMV. VWP.

  446. natsfan1a - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    TTFN. See you in the new post.

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