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Game 94: Nats at Marlins

Jul 13, 2013, 7:52 PM EDT

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Losers of four of their last five, the Nationals will send Dan Haren (4-10, 6.00 ERA) to the mound in Miami Saturday night to face rookie standout and N.L. All-Star Jose Fernandez (5-5, 2.83). Fernandez has yet to lose at Marlins Park and will be making his first start against the Nats. He last pitched on July 7 in St. Louis and allowed three earned runs for the first time since May.

Washington took an ugly loss in the series opener on Friday night, watching Stephen Strasburg falter with the worst start of his young career. Miami has won two straight games after losing their previous five after a terrific month of June. Haren will take a stab at the Fish in his seventh career start against the franchise. He holds a 1-4 record with a 3.43 ERA in 39 1/3 total innings vs. the Marlins.

Anthony Rendon gets the night off with Steve Lombardozzi playing at second. Other than that change, the lineup is the same as it was on Friday.

Enjoy the game…

WASHINGTON NATIONALS at MIAMI MARLINS
Where: Marlins Park
Gametime: 7:15 p.m. EDT
TV: FOX, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500), XM 186
Weather: Indoors

NATIONALS (47-46)
CF Denard Span
SS Ian Desmond
LF Bryce Harper
3B Ryan Zimmerman

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525 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    Why a day off now when there is a longish break coming up? Maybe not a break for Rendon, maybe some AB's for Lombo? Win or lose, I am hoping for good quality baseball. I love the Nats, but sometimes they are just a tad, well, um….. Boring, to watch. Sorry, guys. It had to be said. I don't even need home runs, just hits, good defense, adequate pitching.

  2. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:03 PM

    I assume this is an opportunity to get Lombo ABs more than it's a break for Rendon. Like you said Swami, I'm sure Rendon could survive two more days before the break.

  3. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    for those interested, on mlb.com, they are showing the Braves/Reds game for free…I had to register but that's it.

  4. karlkolchak - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    Great…here we are struggling to stay above .500 before the break with our worst pitcher going up against a potential buzz saw, yet we give one of our best hitters the night off. Makes perfect sense.

  5. Unknown - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    For those of you complaining about WaPo, note the author is likely going to be the O's beat writer, the 50-50 coverage we saw in the bad early years is probably back.

  6. nats guy - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    Nothing they are doing these days makes sense. The games are beginning to get very predictable. Get behind by two runs or more and roll over.

  7. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Nats guy- I am totally stumped. Go down the roster player by player and this is just not the way it seems like it should work. Maybe this break will be just the thing to clear a few heads and give some perspective. Can't really make things worse at this point.

  8. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    I don't think they rolled over last night. They put some men on base and Harper hit a bomb 410 feet that would've been gone anywhere else. It's not an excuse, they both had the same ballpark, but you need to look beyond the numbers sometimes for context. They fought and were unlucky.

  9. Mickey Vernon - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Just reviewed the last few threads, and noted that most criticism of Nats' hitting focused on taking or swinging at pitches. But before that becomes a factor, some Nats' hitters give the pitcher an unnecessary advantage by their stances and mechanics. For example, some give the pitcher an advantage by standing too far from the plate (RZim, Ramos), or pulling the bat backwards before starting it forward (Shark), or uppercutting (Span) instead of swinging through the ball (Rivere). Werth and Rendon have the best stances and swings in the entire lineup, with LaRoche next in line, IMO.

  10. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    David– always a danger when looking at stats and results. It can look very much like someone is not hitting, when, in fact, they could be scalding the ball and getting very unlucky.

  11. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Reds got the bases loaded with one out, no runs. Must be a terrible team, no chance they'll go to the playoffs–you can tell by that one inning.

  12. NatsLady - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    MV–I've always wondered about the stances, they are so different, they can't ALL be effective.

  13. ExposedinDC - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    David….difference last night their pitcher battled through some adversity and ours came back out and walked a guy and gave up a bomb….Stras has a ton of talent unfortunately not so much mental toughness

  14. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    Mickey– Werth and Rendon are my favorite at bats to watch. They never give an at bat away, they make the pitcher work, foul off pitches. I know Werth has a high number of pitches per AB, but I would suspect, just from watching, that Rendon is no slouch in that regard.

  15. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Werth sees 4.35 pitches per plate appearance–4th in the NL among everyone with at least 100 PAs. Surprisingly, Ryan Zimemrman is second on the team with 4.17 (12th in the NL). Rendon is third, he sees 4.15. Suzuki and LaRoche also both see over 4.

  16. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Harper sees 4 exactly.

  17. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    Ok- thanks for the info, it's interesting. I am guessing we won't see Desi on that list? And you know, I am absolutely not any kind of O's fan, but Chris Davis has hit 36 home runs before the all star break. I don't care who you play for, that is just insane.

  18. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    Desi sees 3.68 Pitches/PA. That's 129th in the NL. LOL.

  19. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    David– did you find that order surprising or right what you expected?

  20. SonnyG10 - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    Pitch a good game tonight Haren; you offensive guys get him plenty of runs. Let's have a nice win tonight!! GYFNG!!!

  21. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    It's about what I expected. I shouldn't have been surprised by Zim being so far up, he takes a lot of pitches (too many, imo, but I know many disagree with me). Span is very low, which is disappointing and surprising. He used to work those long counts…what happened?

  22. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    Fernandez is going to eat Lombo alive. Of course, he'd brutilize Rendon too.

  23. Mickey Vernon - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    Swami, in lisitng Werth and Rendon, I forgot to mention Harper, whose stance and swing are nearly perfect from my vantage point. His only problem is occasionally opening up his right side too quickly and pulling away from the ourside-half pitch, but when he's locked in he doesn't do that and I'm expecting him to break loose big time after so long on the DL.

  24. phil dunton - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    I suspect the offense challenged Nats hitters will have difficulty hitting Fernandez tonight. He has been the Marlins best pitcher.

  25. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    I would not expect a big offensive outburst against Fernandez. The key is going to be Haren keeping us in it until we get to their bullpen.

  26. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    Going into play today, they have 69 games left. Everything that can be said, has been said, in most cases several dozen times, sometimes several dozen times per thread. If things don't change pretty soon, we have nearly three months left of nothing new. It's not the beat writers' fault, but maybe if they fired one of them, the comments would improve. We have to try something. And sjm, from the end of the last thread, FWIW, I don't think declining to shoplift the property that represents somebody's livelihood makes one a fool, or a sucka, or un-hip, or what-evva. IMO. YMMV. FYI. IITYWYBMAD.

  27. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    "It's not the beat writers' fault, but maybe if they fired one of them, the comments would improve. We have to try something."LOL

  28. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    In regards to the at bat discussion– is anyone else surprised at how much Bryce walks??? Both he and The Rake have impressed me with their frequent discipline. I find them both to be pretty impressive with their patience and taking what the pitcher gives them.

  29. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    Well Rendon has been known for his ability to take walks. Harper has surprised me, and I like it very much. .374 OBP.

  30. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    Maybe they're the two who are still green enough to be willing to listen. Just a thought.

  31. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Well Ryan Zimmerman has walked more than anybody on the team.

  32. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    That- or they haven't been around long enough to have been ruined!

  33. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    I take that back. Adam LaRoche has walked the most. Zim is second. So it's the two vets walking. Harper is third (although Harper has done it in less games so that's significant).

  34. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    Whatever the reason is- I think Desi is the only one that can succeed with the free swinging approach. The rest of the fail miserably with the flailing at the plate.

  35. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    I am hearing that Fernandez is good- any idea what his weapons are? I really thought we would hit the fastball guy last night, and well, we started to, but then Stras…. Well, you know. Just seems like we are usually good against a nice fastball. Anything but a lefty junk baller, please.

  36. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    Steady Eddie, from the early part of the last thread: 1d10t is a reference to the CKI discussion yesterday.A "CKI malfunction" means the person between the chair and the keyboard ("Chair-Keyboard Interface") is the problem. "1D10T" is a joke error code–it looks like "idiot" when you see it spelled, but not out loud. Hence the new location.Why, thank you, I will.

  37. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    He throws a hard fastball (97) with a big breaking curve and a slider. His story is incredible. I'm sure FP and Stockton will talk about it today, but he tried to defect from Cuba 3 times. At 17, he was arrested and spent a year in prison. Finally, he escaped.

  38. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    he tried to defect from Cuba 3 times. At 17, he was arrested and spent a year in prison. Finally, he escaped. Today's starter, Fernandez? This guy spent a year in a Cuban prison, for trying to play baseball? I am never going to [complain] about a bad mound again.

  39. paul brandt - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    and on his successful attempt at defecting, his mother fell overboard and he had to dive in to save her…pretty amazing story.

  40. natsfan1a - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:28 PM

    I say, tee hee. :-)Mark said…Haren will take a stab at the Fish…

  41. natsfan1a - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    Nah, I think we need to sacrifice a commenter. What?sec3 said…It's not the beat writers' fault, but maybe if they fired one of them, the comments would improve. We have to try something.

  42. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    Nah, I think we need to sacrifice a commenter. What?We already did that … whoops, I wasn't supposed to say that in here, was I?

  43. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    So what you are saying is that it's inhumane to root against him. And why is it that the Phils and the Barves are not slacking off? Even depleted, the Barves are beating Homer Bailey. I want to hurl.

  44. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    pretty amazing story. I don't doubt it. I have a friend who was storing a large dufflebag at work. I asked what was in it; he said, "The innertube raft."

  45. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    So what you are saying is that it's inhumane to root against him.Well, I'm going to be conflicted. YMMV. It's a free country, after all.

  46. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    I wish Fernandez all the success in the world…when he's not playing us. Today, he's the enemy.

  47. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    I was conflicted about John Lannan. But then a season in Syracuse just does not have the same dramatic impact.

  48. Faraz Shaikh - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    atlanta's of today is costanza, reed johnson, and terdoslavich

  49. natsfan1a - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    Ixnay on the acrificesay.Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa said… We already did that … whoops, I wasn't supposed to say that in here, was I? July 13, 2013 5:35 PM

  50. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    "Pirates left-hander Jeff Locke felt some back tightness following his most recent start on Monday, so Michael Sanserino of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that he will not start tomorrow against the Mets and will also skip Tuesday’s All-Star Game."That has to open the door for Stras or Gio.

  51. The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes. - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    You don't have to be a shoplifter or even a hacker to read more than 20 WaPo articles a month online without paying for them. The Post has created several classes of people who are automatically allowed to do that, and for those who don't fit into any of those classes the Post's articles are as readily available online as their print articles are available in libraries or on Metro seats after the person who paid for them discards them. So yes, anybody who pays money to read Washington Post content online is indeed a fool.People who buy the print edition aren't necessarily fools, but if they're doing it so they can read things like comics and Soduko that have zero time value might I suggest that their money could be better spent by going into a bar, picking up yesterday's discarded paper on the way, and treating themselves to an adult beverage.

  52. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    Today's Barves roster should not beat the Reds! Cincy– get your heads out of your A%#*^es!

  53. Get Your Re(n)d On - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    "That has to open the door for Stras or Gio."Stras pretty much closed the door on himself last night.

  54. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    I don't think so. Every pitcher has an awful start every now and then. I think Bochy would realize it's an anomaly. If this happened on May 12 instead of July 13, it'd be a non-issue.

  55. Faraz Shaikh - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    at this point, I prefer they miss ASG as well.

  56. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    And the White Sox suck also.

  57. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    Faraz- mixed feelings. Thought JZ could handle it. Feel that Desi could also and Tulo is being unfair to the Rockies by going.

  58. Faraz Shaikh - Jul 13, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    tulo is going? LOL, he thinks playing ASG is more important than playing for Rockies?JZ would be the only one I would have sent but not anymore. Harper should rest too.

  59. Kirbs - Jul 13, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Don't think I can watch another Haren game, or listen to the 5th string Fox announcers…no, this will be a radio game for me.

  60. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Swami from your early post. Yes boring is correct. That can be worse than losing sometimes.

  61. Get Your Re(n)d On - Jul 13, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    "David Proctor said… I don't think so. Every pitcher has an awful start every now and then. I think Bochy would realize it's an anomaly. If this happened on May 12 instead of July 13, it'd be a non-issue."But it DID happen on July 12th. So not only does Stras still have a losing record, his ERA is no longer so incredible and he's coming off the stink of being blown out of a game in the second inning. No one could argue that he's having an All Star season.

  62. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 13, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    People who buy the print edition aren't necessarily fools, but if they're doing it so they can read things like comics and Soduko that have zero time value might I suggest that their money could be better spent by going into a bar, picking up yesterday's discarded paper on the way, and treating themselves to an adult beverage. So you disapprove of how strangers spend their time and money, and sneer in their general direction. Duly noted. It is, as we said, a free country.

  63. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    Haren gives up 3 runs tonight. We score 4.

  64. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 13, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    Yes boring is correct. That can be worse than losing sometimes.lolo, as Mick says. You're telling us!

  65. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 13, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    I think I'll go do the sodoku and read the comics. That Prince Valiant cracks me up every time!

  66. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    I still get the print edition every single morning. It has been part of my morning routine for most of my life. I would much rather peruse an actual print newspaper than scroll around a tiny screen. The Washington Post has been one of the most respected news sources for many years and they have won countless awards. I will never, ever forget their role during the Watergate scandal. I happen to care about hard news and never, ever read comics or do soduko nor do I consider myself a fool. I also love real books and libraries. So sue me.

  67. djinFl. - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    Swami I would love to have that print smeared on my fingers every morning, but no chance here. I finish our local paper walking in from the curb, so I pay to read the Post and read real journalist. I just buy large monitors for us because here we read about 8 newspapers a day each. I blame it on living in DC foe 55 years.

  68. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    If the Nats score 2 runs or more off Fernandez I'll be shocked. He's better than Harvey, only less experienced.This kid is GREAT!

  69. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    I pay to read the online Post. If you've ever had to do with totally another paper not in a major market, you'd unerstand.

  70. natsfan1a - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    Also, we need something to line the bird cage. 😉

  71. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    David Proctor said… "Pirates left-hander Jeff Locke felt some back tightness following his most recent start on Monday, so Michael Sanserino of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that he will not start tomorrow against the Mets and will also skip Tuesday’s All-Star Game.That has to open the door for Stras or Gio." Maybe Gio. Never Stras.

  72. phil dunton - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    An article on the Os dominates the front page of the Washington Post sports section this morning. Soon, the Redskins will dominate and the Nationals will be relegated to the last page.

  73. Get Your Re(n)d On - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:16 PM

    "NatsJack in Florida said… I pay to read the online Post. If you've ever had to do with totally another paper not in a major market, you'd unerstand."I can understand why you'd read the online Post. Can't understand why you'd pay for it, though, when it's readily available for free.

  74. phil dunton - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    Span is no base stealer!

  75. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    Bleh. Span got a good jump, that was a perfect throw.

  76. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    First of all- Span is really hitting .264? I would have thought lower. Second– anyone afraid some national market will snap up FP? He is so good. Chance to get to the pitcher early blown already.

  77. natsfan1a - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    Tuned in late and – OMG, it's FP! That is all. Back to the basement baseball-viewing den.

  78. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    Strange personal fact- I have been to six games this season. Dan Haren has won two of them. And Gio has lost two of them. What are the odds?

  79. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    A lot of pitches, but a good first inning for Haren.

  80. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    Again, we lose the base runner? Arggggggh!

  81. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    This old guy cannot pronounce any of the names.

  82. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    no reason why nats can not win this game

  83. mick - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    I dont buy the Fernandez stuff…if Marlins can beat Stras…no reason why nats cant beat Fernandez

  84. djinFl. - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    Swami, Gio should be buying you tickets to Haren's games if you promise not attend when he pitches

  85. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    Good start to the game for Haren.

  86. Scott Margenau - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    We can't catch a break.

  87. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    I'm 4-0 in games attended this year. I tweeted the Nationals asking for free season tickets. No response. 😦

  88. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Scott- we truly cannot catch a break. Echeverria robbed Lombo.

  89. baseballswami - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    But at least we are making some contact off the guy.

  90. David Proctor - Jul 13, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    Regardless of what happens, these are the types of ABs we need more often from Span.

  91. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    Fantastic AB.

  92. baseballswami - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    Great AB!!!

  93. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    Desmond hammered that ball.

  94. baseballswami - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    Man- they have some nifty young players on this team. That huge outfield is covered. Nats are putting together some good at bats, though. I truly hate Fox coverage- wish they would just keep the camera on the game.

  95. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    Harper was dead on arrival. Nats caught a break.

  96. Joe Seamhead - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:25 AM

    Dirtbag baseball. I love it!

  97. baseballswami - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    Or maybe Bryce is just a beast!

  98. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    Gio looks tired.

  99. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    LOL, Gio. Rendon looks like a "schoolboy."

  100. baseballswami - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    Biogenesis on his mind?

  101. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    We don't get to see Haren strike out Stanton?

  102. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    4 pitch walk?

  103. baseballswami - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    Even though it's Gio, I hate it when they don't stay focused on the game. At least we have FP.

  104. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:35 AM

    That was probably the worst interview of all time, but it was cool to see the guys having fun with one another.

  105. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:36 AM

    They've stopped listing Gio's name when they talk about Biogenesis. I hope that's a good sign.

  106. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    Davey, keep your eye on Haren, and DON'T get greedy!

  107. SonnyG10 - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    No eyes or ears on the game. Can someone give me a status, please?

  108. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    Best part is that Fernandez pitch count is up. Get him out.

  109. baseballswami - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:38 AM

    Still-you never know. This thing needs to come down so that everyone can move on.

  110. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:38 AM

    Harper went wild on the basepaths, scored on a sac fly by Werth (play at the plate, ran over the catcher, catcher dropped it). Nats lead 1-0.

  111. SonnyG10 - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:40 AM

    Thanks, David.

  112. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:40 AM

    Hey folks… I see D Haren is having a good game, so far… *no jinx*I know I predicted his stat line… I just can't find it… I wonder how well I said he would do….

  113. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:41 AM

    Haren is a good bunter. He could teach some of the other guys.

  114. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:43 AM

    Desi has had 3 bad at bats tonight…. Unh.

  115. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:43 AM

    That was a nasty pitch that Desi just struck out on. That was a ball until the last second then broke back over. Filthy.

  116. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:43 AM

    I don't think Mathis ever had control of the ball. Looked like it was off the tip of his glove.

  117. baseballswami - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:44 AM

    Looked to me like the catcher actually pulled off the catch right before he got demolished by Bryce. And the Gio/ Rendon interview could have been a toothpaste commercial with those two great big smiles. Awful as interviews go, but lots of fun seed throwing. I might have liked to see Stanton strike out, though.

  118. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    Not a filthy pitch. Close enough to a strike all the way in. I am SICK of watching our so called "Stars" on this team watch strike 3 especially with men in scoring position. Nobody wants to take charge.. GUTLESS!!

  119. Nattering Nat - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    Don't want to be a jinx, but did I miss something? Did Strasburg and Haren exchange bodies in the dead of night, hoping no one would notice?

  120. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    Lol SWM.

  121. Nattering Nat - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:50 AM

    Or at least pitching brains?

  122. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:50 AM

    Ben Revere has a broken right foot.

  123. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:50 AM

    This was my prediction last night….MrsB_says_NatsStop-World_Series7/12/2013 9:20 PM EDTWe are talking about Dan Haren… Watch he come out tomorrow and pitch for 6 innings, 4 hits 1 ER, 1 BB….

  124. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:50 AM

    Everybody get off Haren. I don't hear him getting much love here. Hes not nearly as bad as the Hitting or lack there of, of the team.

  125. djinFl. - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    I thought you had left for good swm!

  126. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    Yes he has. But not today. He's been good today.

  127. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:53 AM

    That didn't look like a bad pitch, Harper. Don't pick fights with umpires if you're not right.

  128. baseballswami - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:54 AM

    Sssshhhhh!

  129. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:54 AM

    More Harper bias. FP plays suck up to the national audience.

  130. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:54 AM

    That was a good pitch, Steve M.

  131. Secret wasian man - Jul 13, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    THOSE ARENT STRIKES> UMPS GETTING LAZY>

  132. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    We will see David.

  133. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    ALR overdue for a HR

  134. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:58 AM

    ALR starting to look like CHAD TRACY> Well id love to stay but im a little BORZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZ

  135. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:59 AM

    Well Fernandez is out of the game now. Don't blow up, Haren.

  136. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:05 AM

    Boy he locked up Stanton. Got to see it this time. Should I make a list of the errors Stockton makes?

  137. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:05 AM

    About time the Park screws the Marlins over.

  138. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:06 AM

    Span's catch. Ho-hum…… LOL.

  139. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:08 AM

    Reminds me of RFK in CF

  140. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:08 AM

    Yawn… Just another spectacular Span catch…..

  141. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:08 AM

    How far does Davey go with Dandy Dan?He's got to be feeling like that lucky drunk who's winning at the craps table in Vegas right now.

  142. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    New Dick Stockton Drinking Game:Every time he mashes a name, or makes a factual mistake, take a drink.I guarantee you'll be pummeled by the seventh inning stretch.

  143. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:10 AM

    Ghost….Del Unser…lol

  144. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:10 AM

    Let's give Haren credit. Great job.

  145. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:10 AM

    Storen=Clip=Sori Would be nice to have a couple of insurance runs.

  146. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM

    Mick, yah, Del Unser.

  147. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:12 AM

    Dan Haren is 28? When did that happen?????

  148. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:12 AM

    Did Stockton just say Haren finds himself on the wrong end of a 1-0 game? It's 1-0 Washington, you idiot.

  149. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    He said all four sac bunts were in 1 out situations. Yeah, except for one of them… Haren's second bunt. Doesn't he keep a score card?

  150. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:13 AM

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  151. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    stockton not having a good night

  152. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    FP is too polite to correct him, like he would with Carp. I was surprised the Nats are 8th in the league in SB's.

  153. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    fox is just soooo bad

  154. Get Your Re(n)d On - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    Stockton is making Johnny Holliday's PBP look like Vin Scully.

  155. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    He has been calling those low strikes all day.

  156. ExposedinDC - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    Awesome lead off hitter

  157. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    That's a pitch that, when Span is on, he golfs down the right field line.

  158. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:18 AM

    can't get on umpire…its time to hit period

  159. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    OMG Another looking strike out with RISP. GUTLESS GUTLESS GUTLESS at least try. I hate Span.

  160. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:20 AM

    GUTLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry, just doing my best SWM impression.

  161. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:20 AM

    Interesting SZ… good clap for Haren… He pitched very well tonight…

  162. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    Come on, Drew. Haren pitched SIX innings of shutout ball. Surely you can pitch ONE!

  163. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    DAVID you've NEVER IMPRESSED me

  164. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    Storen walks the leadoff man. Great.

  165. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    YEAH STORENS GUTLESS!!!!!!! hahahaha

  166. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    No worries… Storen has got this…

  167. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    Im watching an aweful chick flik with my girl friend. 1939 The Women….the hats are ridiculous.All game news coming from you all.is it better to be alone and watch all the sports imaginable or live in great company and occasional frustration

  168. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:24 AM

    I'm a chick and I never heard of that movie.

  169. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:24 AM

    well maybe watching the nats is more frustrating…Joan Crawford is such a

  170. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:24 AM

    ALL RIGHT!!!!

  171. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    The film continued the play's all-female tradition—the entire cast of more than 130 speaking roles was female. Set in the glamorous Manhattan apartments of high society evoked by Cedric Gibbons, and in Reno where they obtain their divorces, it presents an acidic commentary on the pampered lives and power struggles of various rich, bored wives and other women they come into contact with.Throughout The Women, not a single male is seen — although the males are much talked about, and the central theme is the women's relationships with them

  172. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    Jeff – that is a classic movie…. They did a replay a few years ago with Meg Ryan and Jada Pinkette Smith and some others I can't remember….Great movie…

  173. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    @Jeff and NL: With my right eye, I'm watching "Pride of the Yankees" on MLB. Gehrig already has Wally Pipped Wally Pipp (Or is it now known as getting Espinosa'ed?) and his "Luckiest Man on the Face of the Earth" Speech is coming up. It's a four-hankie movie.

  174. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    It's a tear jerker…I can hardly contain myself…like game 5 of the NLDS

  175. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:28 AM

    Yeah.. There are no males in the movie… Until the end…

  176. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:29 AM

    Oh great. Pride of the Yankees…I don't have enough eyes.And we can't have dinner until it's over!!!Oh the humanity.

  177. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:29 AM

    Nice Storen. GIDP

  178. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:29 AM

    Um, the Marlins DIDN'T get a RUN!!!!! Sheeesh! Is Stockton drunk or something?

  179. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:30 AM

    Webb is apparently GUTLESS too. Lot of that going around, I guess.Mwaahaahahh.

  180. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:30 AM

    Yes Mrs B, I must admit it is very well done. I hope they don't take away my guy card, though.

  181. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:31 AM

    Wow, MASN doesn't get these 1980's Lexus commercials like FOX does.

  182. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:32 AM

    Jeffwx, Betty Davis movies are exempt, your guy card is safe.

  183. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:33 AM

    jeffwx. so, basically, "Real Housewives of —" (which I have never in my life watched, I'm just guessing).

  184. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    No NL… I watched the Housewives series… The Women isn't like that at all…

  185. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    Oh come on Harper. That was unnecessary.

  186. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    Yes, the 1939 version….Betty Davis is not in the movie. Neither is Lou Gehrig.

  187. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    That wasnt a K….

  188. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:35 AM

    But while we're on the subject, another excellent movies without a lot of male presence (but it does have Jack Palance, so that's OK): Bagdad Cafe

  189. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:35 AM

    You know what==> Someone should have stopped him from looking at the video. Just say, "Wait until after the game." Really stupid.

  190. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:36 AM

    There you go with the Harper bias. That's exactly what I wrote about Friday morning.

  191. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:36 AM

    Shark is still available for left, no?This is a national game, Wendelstad can't just keep calling crap like that without somebody saying something.

  192. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    OK, well, maybe in the winter I'll check it out.

  193. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    So what did PitchFX think of that call? Anybody?

  194. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    ACtually it pretty funny…In 1939, you could only get a divorce in Reno and a slider in the baker bowl I guess.

  195. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:38 AM

    Why won't Fox show the K zone. I will check the charts after the game

  196. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:39 AM

    oh yeah, NL, you clearly haven't dated my girlfriennd (or ex-wife). Nobody has those kind of guts except maybe SWM

  197. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    I think he was out.

  198. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    Sofa, Pitch F/X isn't posted until the game ends.

  199. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:41 AM

    Rosalind Russell, what an actress.Who's pitching ?

  200. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:41 AM

    Oh, wait, Pitch FX isn't live. Nevermind.

  201. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:42 AM

    Thanks, Ghost, I just remembered that. Duh.

  202. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:42 AM

    hmmmm, cccccc…cat fight

  203. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:43 AM

    That was just trif…

  204. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:44 AM

    Clip pitching. Hairston in LF.

  205. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:44 AM

    2 good calls, Bryce that was a strike and close enough to hit…good call at 2nd…Bryce just went down a notch in my bookthis is game 8 since the full line up is back..simply no excuse for this, none what soever

  206. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    question…where is Clip for 8th??

  207. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    Clip doesn't get the high strike.

  208. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    That was a strike on the last pitch by clip. A little high, but a strike. We're not going to get any close calls anymore tonight though.

  209. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:46 AM

    Why doesn't TCM have pitch track.I read the news today, oh boyabout a lucky Dan who pitched the gameAnd though the news was rather sad.I just had to laugh.I saw the pitch track

  210. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:46 AM

    got it

  211. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:47 AM

    Was that 3-2 pitch by Klip a strike???

  212. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:48 AM

    Top of the zone, maybe.

  213. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:48 AM

    except for NL, your comments are not making sense.

  214. Knoxville Nat - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:48 AM

    Late to the party and I'm blacked out here in Knoxville. So reading the posts, did Harper get tossed for arguing balls and strikes? Was it real bad or Harper showing some frustration?

  215. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:48 AM

    Yes, Knoxville, he did.

  216. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:50 AM

    I'm with you, Knoxville..what does it take to get some coherent game time commentary

  217. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:50 AM

    It wasn't the worst call we've seen all week, and I haven't seen most of the game, so I don't know if that's been a strike tonight, but it looked about 2 baseballs off the plate to me.

  218. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:50 AM

    nice play by desi

  219. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:51 AM

    Whew…. Thanks Adam…

  220. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:52 AM

    No, Fernandez didn't pitch scoreless… he has it backwards–again!

  221. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:52 AM

    it was a strike to Bryce…he is not seeing the ball, the pitch Bryce swung at on strike 2 was illustrates he is not seeing the ball at all ..Bryce had no business arguing

  222. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:53 AM

    Uhh…did FOX just switch for anyone else?

  223. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:53 AM

    PLEASE, I don't care about the stupid murder trial. STOPPPPPP!!!

  224. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:53 AM

    Sounds like Angel Hernandez calling balls-strikesBack to the WomenIt took me almost 3 years to get a divorce…back in the day you could get a divorce in Reno and be back in time for the night game in Cincinnatti

  225. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:54 AM

    Unh… Well, I'll be danged…

  226. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:55 AM

    I hear you Nats lady…AGREED

  227. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:55 AM

    The only Zimmerman(n)s I care about are Ryan and Jordan. Who the hell is this guy?

  228. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:56 AM

    My phone says the 8th inning is over and it's still 1-9.

  229. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:56 AM

    What happened…Watching a baseball game and a murder trial broke out ???If the glove fits, don't acquit.

  230. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:56 AM

    Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me said…The only Zimmerman(n)s I care about are Ryan and Jordan. Who the hell is this guy?LOL

  231. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:57 AM

    I mean, 1-0. Shut up with this trash!!!

  232. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:57 AM

    Lucas strikes out. End 8.Waiting for a verdict in the Zimmerman trial, Geraldo [AB] Rivera blahblahblah …

  233. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:57 AM

    Ty Nats lady…keep us updated

  234. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:58 AM

    Which Zimm is on trial ?

  235. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:58 AM

    Split screen, sound for trial as the jury comes in, LaRoche at bat…

  236. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:58 AM

    Sad a young man lost his life….

  237. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:58 AM

    LaRoche K's swinging.

  238. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:59 AM

    OK, they put the game in a window in the upper right corner.Jayson Werth is up.Sound is from the trial.

  239. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:59 AM

    What the heck is going on ???

  240. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:59 AM

    Zimmerman found not guilty.

  241. Knoxville Nat - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:00 AM

    Well here in TN we still have the Cards and the Cubs. And if anyone cares the Cubs are up 6 to 2 in the top of the 8th.Can we please switch to the Nats game!

  242. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:01 AM

    I can't believe they broke into the game ??Like the Heidi game

  243. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:01 AM

    Werth walks.

  244. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:01 AM

    Werth walks.

  245. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    I can't believe you can't believe it, but whatever.

  246. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:04 AM

    Found the mute so I don't have to listen to these idiots.

  247. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:04 AM

    Lombardozzi swung at a pitch in the dirt that hit his foot. He's out on strikes.

  248. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:05 AM

    Lombo strikes out (I think). .At any rate, he's back in the dugout. Ramos is up.

  249. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:05 AM

    Ramos up, takes strike one. Tracy on deck.

  250. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:06 AM

    What a line by Crawford"And by the way, there's a name for you ladies, but it isn't used in high society — outside of a kennel."

  251. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    Ramos struck out. Up to Rafi now.

  252. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    Ramos K's. Tucking it up here, boss.

  253. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    so Nats have to do this 1-0

  254. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:08 AM

    Why do you put lombo ahead of ramosHow did they acquit that Zimm guy ???

  255. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:09 AM

    Seminole county florida…all female jury

  256. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:09 AM

    Here we go….

  257. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:10 AM

    jeffwxI thought he would get man slaughter…i am stunned at the verdict

  258. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:10 AM

    Jeff, pick five people out of the commenters here, and let them decide who should have won the game. That's how criminal law works.

  259. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:11 AM

    HOLY SHIT!!!!!!

  260. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:12 AM

    Gracious. Stanton, to the moon. 1-1.

  261. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:12 AM

    Yikes…I hoped somehow we were a bit more objective…but all I know about criminal law is from 12 Angry Men.

  262. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:12 AM

    Got dammit…

  263. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:12 AM

    just sick to my stomach with this game

  264. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:12 AM

    Man that was a blast! At least they didn't show the f'ing art work.

  265. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    Fernandez is that excited about being off the hook?

  266. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:14 AM

    That doesn't sound good.Live on the edge, fall off the edge sometimes.

  267. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:14 AM

    Morrison strikes out, 1 out.

  268. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:14 AM

    If Nat have any heart at all, they will score in the 10th…

  269. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:14 AM

    Ozuna flies to right, 2 outs.

  270. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:16 AM

    Extra inning (s).

  271. SCNatsFan - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:16 AM

    Mick if the Nats had any heart this would be a different season

  272. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:16 AM

    Dietrich grounds out 3-1. Free baseball!!

  273. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:17 AM

    SCNatsFangood point

  274. ehay2k - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:17 AM

    Methinks that is not really Natslady?

  275. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM

    This game of baseball is only one-half skill. The other half is something else, something bigger!This one's for you, Mick.

  276. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM

    OK, who we got available? Stammen and Krol?

  277. Unknown - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM

    Sean Hannity is a true patriot. Great night for America.

  278. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:20 AM

    Love it sofa!!!one of my favorites along with your blind ump an what Lola wantsha ha

  279. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:20 AM

    Tracy singles, Span bunts into a FC. 1 out, Span on first.

  280. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:21 AM

    Tracy with an actual hit. Then out on a bad bunt by Span. Span now on first, though which is better speed. Very bad that Harper got ejected, no one to pinch run for Tracy.

  281. Scott Margenau - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:21 AM

    Omg!! Get this trial off my tv!!!

  282. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:22 AM

    Unknown said…Sean Hannity is a true patriot. Great night for America.stay unknown pal… Hannity is a war monger, chicken hawk, coward and a g-damn racist… one of the lowest pundits on the scene today…still waiting for that COWARD to be water boarded!!! like he said he would for charity…

  283. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:22 AM

    Of course, Mick, you have to consider the source, with that song.

  284. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:22 AM

    Desi with a single. Runners on 1st and 2nd, one out.

  285. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 AM

    smh Span. Come on. You ask him to play small ball and he just cost the Nats the go ahead run as Tracy scores on that.

  286. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    OK, Let's leave Hannity and his ilk outside. Back to the game, folks.Desmond singles to right, Span to second.

  287. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    WIld pitch. Span to 3B. Hairston up, can he cash it in???

  288. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:25 AM

    Dubious "strike" one there.Wild pitch, both runners move up.

  289. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:26 AM

    yes….back to the game….movie is ovahhhhhhh!!!!!

  290. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:27 AM

    well…i pitched the wrong time to turn on the ball gamestrike 3

  291. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    He calls that low strike again.

  292. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    Hairston is hitting for Harper, who got tossed, you'll recall.He pulls a couple of liners, but foul.Almost another WP. Nice save. And Hairston whiffs. 2 outs.

  293. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    speechless

  294. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    Harper puts that ball into play. Hairston couldn't. Hairston hits lefties, not righties.

  295. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    oh yeah runners in scoring position.time to turn it up….i mean down.

  296. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    Let's see if Ryan Zimmerman acquits himself well.Hmm. Not so much. He waves at breaking balls off the plate and low. We go baja 10.

  297. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    Just makes Ryan Zimmerman look bad there. How frustrating.

  298. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    OK, Zim had to swing at the second pitch because he was going to call it a strike. But NO WAY did he have to swing at the 3rd pitch.

  299. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    What the hell was that Ryan… That low K gets on my nerves…

  300. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    WP…one of the Nats most potent offensive weapons.

  301. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    David Proctor said… Harper puts that ball into play. Hairston couldn't. Hairston hits lefties, not righties. July 13, 2013 10:29 PM That is on point.

  302. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    That's what closers mean when they say they play on hitters' aggressiveness. That was not a smart at-bat by Zim.

  303. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    so they pull zimmm…hurt

  304. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:32 AM

    What? Hechevarria has replaced Zim at 3B???? Stockton must be drunk.

  305. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:32 AM

    Obviously, he can't tell that from the fastball. Either he can't see it, or he is totally guessing. Neither alternative fills me with confidence, speaking for myself. Neither does Tracy at third. Stammen pitching, I'm OK with for now.

  306. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:32 AM

    omg….this is worse than the movie

  307. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:32 AM

    Son of a butch…. I hate C Tracy…

  308. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:32 AM

    Wow Tracy. Zimmerman could've made a better throw than that. Unbelievable.

  309. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    Oh no. Oh no. Tracy……..what can you say.

  310. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    Tracy????????????????? Terrible.

  311. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    OK, not even Ryan puts them ten rows deep, there. Holy crap, Chad.

  312. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    are Nats going to be 1 under 500 and 8 back at break?? it looks like it

  313. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    The part of R. Zimmerman is being played tonight by Chad "Third and Long" Tracy.

  314. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    Craig Stammen is NOT the guy for this situation.

  315. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    Reminds me of the boston massacre in 78…but the yanks were playing one of the better teams in the league

  316. Scott Margenau - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    Davey needs to be fired. Tracy sub? Idiot.

  317. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    So I have to wonder what's wrong with Zimm, that Tracy gets into the game, obviously cold and unprepared?

  318. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:35 AM

    I'd rather Rendon be over there…

  319. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:35 AM

    Neither is Tracy or Hairston.

  320. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:35 AM

    is Zim hurt…did we miss something why is he out?

  321. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:35 AM

    Need the K here.

  322. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:36 AM

    Rendon could have / Should have run for Tracy. He might have avoided the fielder's choice.

  323. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:36 AM

    this may actually helpexcept tracy is on 3rd

  324. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    Never mind Zim, why isn't Rendon in theis game?

  325. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    That's a bunt Denard.

  326. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    Walk the next guy and go for the double play ball.

  327. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    Ok Mick im usually with you here. This is a baseball post. Nobody cares what your political views are. And it takes a racist to know a racist. Those comments were uncalled for. Im surprised you haven't blamed Georg Bush for the NATS crappy season. WE ARE DONE MY MAN DONE!!

  328. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    I don''t know if Davey leaving is the answer…I now believe Nats are just not very good…full lineup back 8 games total and they are averaging about 2 runs per game… the sample size is enough to make that assessment.

  329. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:38 AM

    I am livid right now…

  330. Joe Seamhead - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:38 AM

    Wow,doesn't look good. Bases full, one out…don't lie it.

  331. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:38 AM

    Harper's arm sure would be nice right about now.

  332. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:38 AM

    The ole man did a double switch, I guess.always thinking ahead.

  333. Sec. 1 D, seat 10 T, My Sofa - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:39 AM

    Crap.

  334. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:39 AM

    Thank you Chad Tracy.

  335. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:39 AM

    I'm furious.

  336. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:40 AM

    I don't understand the way Davey managed this game AT ALL, unless Rendon is hurt.

  337. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:40 AM

    This has to be rock bottom right? It has to be.

  338. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:40 AM

    And tomorrow we will try to AVOID a sweep of the mighty MARLINS. Good lord they stink.

  339. phil dunton - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:40 AM

    Final nail in the coffin for the 2013 season. Grandpa should retire immediately.

  340. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:41 AM

    you gotta play your big 8 every game…that means Rendon and Harper and ZimmNot Hairston, Lombo and Tracy

  341. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:41 AM

    Secret wasian man I was responding to poster calling Hannity a great american Yes, it is not a political blog so where was were critique of him?

  342. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:41 AM

    Rendon should have pinch run for Tracy. I don't get it AT ALL. Not at all!

  343. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    Not yet Proctor. Rock bottom will be tomorrow after we are swept.

  344. nats guy - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    The sucking sound you hear is the sound of the season ending.

  345. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    Span can't get a bunt down. Soriano blows the save. Tracy throws a ball away. Hairston K's with men on 3rd and 2nd and 1 out. RZim K's with the game on the line. Nats had 2 ducks on the pond in the 10th and couldn't do it.That is a horrible team loss. Haren did his job and so did Storen and Clippard.

  346. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    yes…this series will be the low point, DPIt can't get much worse

  347. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    I'm still not giving up on the season, but this has to change. Charlie Slowes said it best: "The Nationals snatched defeat from the jaws of victory." Good teams just don't do that. I don't know what it is. I've seen worse teams go on runs at the end of the season, but the level of fundamental play just has to get better.. The defense, the hitting. The pitching is fine.

  348. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:43 AM

    Davey is tired and I think he wants out… I think there is a better than 50% chance Davey will resignmy prediction of 85 losses and an 8 game losing streak a while ago does not seem too far fetched now

  349. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:43 AM

    I better hear that Rendon is dinged up. There is NO EXCUSE for him not being in this game!!!! And someone should have tackled Harper before he went and looked at video==> it was only going to rile him up if he was right.

  350. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:43 AM

    I asked it earlier… I will ask again… Why the hell was C Tracy in the game… Rendon should have been over there…We were pathetic, once again, with RiSP…. Just pathetic…

  351. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:44 AM

    Maybe time to shake things up

  352. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:44 AM

    NatsLady said… Rendon should have pinch run for Tracy. I don't get it AT ALL. Not at all! July 13, 2013 10:41 PM That's Davey for you. No outs and man on 1st and the slowest runner. Of course.

  353. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:45 AM

    Davidthis season is over as far as post season and even a winning record, Davey did not do a good job tonight and there is no defense of him and this team right now

  354. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:45 AM

    I think Rizzo gets rid of Ekstien to shake it up giving Davey the out he needs.

  355. rmoore446 - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:45 AM

    Yes, David, this is rock bottom or at least I hope it is.

  356. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:46 AM

    I think Rizzo gets rid of Ekstien to shake it up giving Davey the out he needs to resign.

  357. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:47 AM

    David Proctor, you owe me an apology. Not even close to a strike on Harper in fact 2 of those pitches weren't close to strikes:http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/numlocation_io.php-pitchSel=605228&game=gid_2013_07_13_wasmlb_miamlb_1&batterX=40&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3.gif

  358. phil dunton - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:47 AM

    Davey is making Manny Acta look good.

  359. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:47 AM

    I think Davey is an honorable man will step down, however, it is not all on him…this team is simply not a contender…the teams best players do not play like their best players…Zim lost me for good tonight

  360. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:47 AM

    The one night that Haren gives a beauty of a performance… We poop on the effort…I've not been this pissed after a Nats loss in a long damn time…

  361. Dan Strong - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:48 AM

    This team is an absolute disaster. There is nothing else to say about it. Let's just accept what last year really was… A fluke.

  362. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:49 AM

    The stars on this team are to blame. ALR IAN ZImm just don't deliver in the clutch.

  363. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:49 AM

    gang…welcome back to 2010

  364. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:49 AM

    How do you end a 10-inning game with one of your best hitters on the bench??????? Someone ask Davey that question, please!

  365. ExposedinDC - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:49 AM

    Unbelievably poor managed game……Rizzo has to consider a change

  366. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:50 AM

    And then Soriano throws a fat f*ckin pitch over the plate to their BEST power hitter, maybe player…. I don't understand why they didnt walk him from the beginning….Just dumb…

  367. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:51 AM

    Dan Strong said… This team is an absolute disaster. There is nothing else to say about it. Let's just accept what last year really was… A fluke. Whatever. There's no flukes over 162 games. Great pitching and 4.6+ runs per game.

  368. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:51 AM

    I used to be mad at my team…though I can't complainThe coaches who taught weren't keen.They're holding them down.Turning it aroundKilling the team with their rules….yeahYou got to admit its getting better,a little better all the time(can't get much worse)

  369. JamesFan - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:52 AM

    Let's face it, we have a good team playing badly and without determination or leadership. Rizzo needs to access some accountability. No more happy talk.As to the WashPost, I am a Nats fan, but the O's are a much more interesting team with more potential. I don't blame them for highlighting the O's.Harper, in 2013, you are a mediocre left fielder with nothing more than aveage numbers. Get real about your professional career–as should the rest of us. Potential does not win games. Production does.

  370. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:52 AM

    Wait… I thought the number was 4.7????I'm so angry right now… Just unacceptable…

  371. Joe Seamhead - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:52 AM

    We're not hitting, then last night our ace can't get through two innings, after hitting three guy his start before. Then Dan Haren gives us a pretty damn good start and we lose. Soriano gives it up in the bottom of the ninth. We can do nothing about it. The Braves play an all-who-are-these-guys outfield and beat the Reds. OK. Maybe we don't have this,and it's getting pretty hard to stay relaxed.

  372. Coolhandbane (formally Bob Saget) - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:53 AM

    Can someone please explain to me why rizzo didnt keep the same team as last year who won 98 games? To me, stick to what makes you great. So far, the Span trade has not lived up to its hype as we got the "lead off" player we "desperately" been needing since we moved to DC. Something is going on with this team. Whether Eck/Davey is changed their hitting approaches or the players feel the moral is down but something has to happen. Whether the nationals change is coaches, trading for a player to help the team and or trading some of our big contracts for minor leaguers.

  373. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:53 AM

    AMEN MICK> ZIMM IS AWFUL. We can get guys making the minimum to strike out. I am truly sick sic sick of him and ALR. And DAVEY SHOULD STEP DOWN.

  374. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:54 AM

    If Davey didn't want to pinch run with Rendon, how's about pinch-hitting Rendon for Hairston in that critical situation then Lombo goes to left field and Rendon to 2nd.The game was lost there.

  375. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:54 AM

    Curse of the Beast, folksCurse of the Beast

  376. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:55 AM

    I did I said I woul. Watch the game with co comment.Harper was screwed twice and is not mature enough to get screwed and let it go.Second Davey did ,2 moves I said werr stupid snd proved to be. Why did Hairston come in.I was sure Rendon would come in and lombo to left.Soriano a fast ball high to be hit why?Then why double switch Tracy? Stupid.If you are going to soble switch stupidly twice you deserve to losr.Hsren pitched great. Storen and Clippard. soriano. Ecept one pitch..Also meant to fuss at Span. Bunt successfully if Desi got his single, we score.Again no hitting.When is Eck gone. Until we change dtrategies and hitting coach we will have trouble.Fire him I still think we can winCouldn',t possiblyhurt to fire him correct?

  377. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:55 AM

    I understand the hitters didn't hit. I understand Rafi thew a meatball to Stanton. But that 10th inning–bottom and top–was a disaster! Tracy gets a hit. You have a guy on your bench who (a) can run and (b) CAN PLAY THIRD BASE!!!! What is WRONG with you, Davey??????

  378. rmoore446 - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:55 AM

    Why not have Redon in there? I don't understand it. But then it was Harper who screwed the pooch by getting tossed. It messed up the bench something awful. Shame on him for what was a selfish, immature reaction.

  379. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:57 AM

    DP @ 10:52 – I agree… But this loss stings and is just dumb as hell…

  380. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:57 AM

    Haren had two excellent bunts. Get out there and show the position players how to do it!

  381. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:58 AM

    Wow Steve M, I guess you're right. The pitch looked fine to me but that's well outside. Infuriating.This isn't on the ump's though. Harper has to learn to maintain his temper and we had runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out and couldn't cash in.

  382. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:58 AM

    This is Davey's way to justify that he needs Espinosa back….It couldn't be Davey's fault

  383. burns15 - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:58 AM

    JamesFan, we are not a good team playing badly. We are a mediocre team. Nothing more, nothing less. It is really disappointing to see a team with so much potential have an utter lack of heart. In fact, its embarassing. But at the end of the day, you are what your record is, and thats a.500 team. The Nats have been given every break possible (the rest of the NL East has played awful since the middle of April). Yet the Nats have kicked every opportunity down the drain. Very disheartening and extremely frustrating. Something needs to change for next season

  384. ExposedinDC - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:58 AM

    How many days till redskins training camp ?

  385. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:58 AM

    NL – folks gonna think you and I are the same person… Lol… We are saying the same thing…

  386. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:58 AM

    Yes, we KNOW we're not hitting. That means a close game has to be well-managed–and this one wasn't! Unless Rendon has a sprained ankle or something. And he sure seemed fine in that interview!

  387. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:59 AM

    get off Bryce. hes the only one with any heart. 2 guys in scoring position and 2 guys cant even make contact. one who is "the face of the franchise." Hey everybody. training camp starts in 12 days. RG3 RG3

  388. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:59 AM

    If the would call strikes strikes and balls no would get tiled up it is fact that most impites atr terrible behind the plate that tick people off.I blame tge umps not the players. The umps need to be consistant. It is not hard.

  389. Nats 128 - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:00 AM

    JamesFan clearly is a Angelos troll and most likely paid by the Orioles to troll Nats sites. What a complete loser. Has no clue.

  390. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    You play of the win… Idc how many flipping games ARen played in straight… At the point of Ryan coming out… Rendon should have been in…Just ugh… Arrrggghhhhh….

  391. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    Sadly, the players are probably asking the same Question that NL and Mrs B are asking.I think Davey has now lost his team's confidence in him.He's an old 70.

  392. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    You are what your record says you are at the end of a season. You're not what your record says on July 13. I'm not defending the level of play up this point. Just pointing out that the season isn't over and teams have overcome much larger deficits than ours. But we need to change soon and every game is one less game to make up ground. We need some urgency.

  393. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    good point NL I cant remember the last time Davey managed a good game. Does he even care? get him outta there.

  394. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:03 AM

    David you cant make a turtle run fast. you cant make a hamburger a filet. And most importantly. "you cant polish a turd." ITS OVER

  395. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:03 AM

    Agree MnF… Ump was definitely biased… We all saw and KNEW that wasn't a strike… It's terrible… Someone needs to hold these blues accountable..You are not bigger than the damn game… People don't pay to watch you screw shit up…

  396. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:03 AM

    I have no confidence that Nats coaches will make the right decisions when they need to, to give the team critical wins in close games.

  397. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    Yes, Bryce got jobbed. But Clip got jobbed too, and he didn't get himself thrown out of the game. My feeling (I know I'm repeating myself) is that Davey gets tired and loses focus toward the end of games. He has his plan, and sticks to it, but isn't flexible with changing situations, especially late in games. It's like he forgot Rendon's existence. Maybe he was upset about Harper, but you can't think about that now, have to deal with it later. Stammen did OK, but I think Davey should have used Krol first, and saved Stammen in case it went multiple extra innings. You need to save the guy who can give the most innings for last.I was appalled at Tracey's throw. There is no excuse for that.

  398. rmoore446 - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:05 AM

    Sorry but there are boundaries that must be observed even when the umpire gets it wrong. You don't voluntarily take yourself out of a close game because you are angry at the umpire. That is just rookie dumb and Harper hurt his team.

  399. Coolhandbane (formally Bob Saget) - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:05 AM

    I think a big change is coming. We will either trade for someone to help this team hitting, trade away some big name players (Zimmy, Werth or LaRoach) or a coach quits or gets fired. I say this because except for Span leading off and Rendon in for Espi, this is the same players as last year. So something has happened to cause them to not hit, especially in clutch. No more "I dont know what why we aren't hitting but we just aren't" type talk. Something has to change. I hope it is for the best.

  400. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:07 AM

    David Proctor said… Wow Steve M, I guess you're right. The pitch looked fine to me but that's well outside. Infuriating.This isn't on the ump's though. Harper has to learn to maintain his temper and we had runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out and couldn't cash in. July 13, 2013 10:58 PM Like I said, I called it the Harper bias yesterday.What is also infuriating is that FP Santangelo turncoated. That is sad. It was clearly off the plate.The pitch that Harp was thrown out on I didn't comment on that strike call as it looked closer and that was 1/2 on the black and was too close to take.Harp should've kept his mouth shut but also like I said yesterday Davey reminds me of Acta. Stands on his perch and does nothing.

  401. ExposedinDC - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:08 AM

    David, love your optimism…..but dude it's over, I will still root but without a lot of change stick a fork in them….they are toast.

  402. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:09 AM

    Did you see Ellsbury robbery in CF? WOW

  403. Coolhandbane (formally Bob Saget) - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:09 AM

    ExposedinDC: I agree. They need to change to either help them now or help them in the future. If there isnt change then this team will continue to not play well.

  404. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:09 AM

    I'm not being optimistic, I'm stating facts. Worse teams than us have turned it around. 5 back of a playoff spot with 68 to play is nothing. Obviously, we have to play better. Right now, this IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Let me make that clear.But it's not over.

  405. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:09 AM

    Rizzo can't fire Davey–sorry, won't happen. But he can speak to Werth, tell him to keep the kid in check, tell him Davey isn't going anywhere but make sure McCatty and Randy Knorr are actually running games. Davey needs to become a figure head. Take him out of the decision process.

  406. rmoore446 - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:10 AM

    As is often the case, I agree with NatsLady both about the inexplicable non-use of Rendon and the handling of the pitchers at the end of the game. The throw by Tracy was unbelievable but why was he in there in the first place!Very hard loss.

  407. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:10 AM

    NOT THE SAME PLAYERS coolhand. mikey morse is gone. remember him? the guy who could actually hit the ball now and then. Soriana not getting bashed enough here. He just comes in a puts a ball on a tee for Stanton. did he not know who was up? did he not care?

  408. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:10 AM

    I hate Fox . Why no pitch track.I listened as I driving. charlie and Davey said strike zone moved suddenly for Harper as what was called strikes for him were balls before that.Since I didnt see I trust Chsrlie and Dave.As i have said for years I would love to spend a day with the head of umps. Eatching games at 2 though 1 am, having me tell why the strike zone floats during a game.Wish i had technology to overlay pitches to show how pitches in same spot differently.It is not rocket science but I watch a lot of games and tthe strike zone is just poirly called in all games.I decided I want elctric zones for batters. The umps are getting worse as technolgy is getting bettet.

  409. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:11 AM

    You guys want a fun fact?The Nats are 16-23 vs. under .500 teams and 31-24 vs. teams over .500.

  410. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:12 AM

    Rizzo can't fire Davey, but he can make him mad enuf to leave….fire Ek…Davey will walk

  411. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:12 AM

    I'm not giving up either DP… You are not alone…

  412. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:12 AM

    You guys are pretty negative tonight.

  413. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:12 AM

    Ghost I told my friend the exact same thing about FP after that call. Great that somebody else noticed. Well done ghost.

  414. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:14 AM

    James Wagner ‏@JamesWagnerWP 43sIan Desmond felt Bryce Harper's ejection was a major factor. "You gotta stay in the game. For your team."I have a feeling Desi is going to sit down and have a chat with Bryce.

  415. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:14 AM

    So in other words… We play to the level of our opponents…We are gonna beat the Dodgers after the break…

  416. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:15 AM

    Welcome WODL. Did you see the game? or whatever it was. There is nothing to be positive about. except Haren. Even FP was horrible.

  417. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:15 AM

    The Nats are not done…but they gonna have to address the problems, and not ignore them this time.Shake it up…give Davey a good reason to take a job in the front office.

  418. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:17 AM

    Really IAN? REALLY? how about you gotta earn your paycheck but hitting the ball now and then. WOW these players on this team are really pissing me off. SHUT UP DESMOND>

  419. karlkolchak - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:17 AM

    Rock bottom? That comes after the break when the Nats have to play the Dodgers, Pirates and Tigers and finally fall out of any pretense of contention. All year this team has acted as if just by showing up after having had baseball's best record in 2012 the other team was just going to sigh, raise their hands and accept losing two out of three. And hey, look, the Dodgers just pulled ahead of us in the WC race. At least the lowly White Sox saved us from the indignity of also being passed up by the Phillies tonight. So there's that.

  420. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:17 AM

    Desmond has more than earned his paycheck.

  421. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:18 AM

    No, it's not over, not even if we lose tomorrow and so do the Reds and we go into the break under .500 and 8 back. If that happens, you will have to see the character of this team. Is Desi a real leader? Can Werth manage the team behind the scenes? Will someone work with Ryan about his strikeouts with RISP??? Teach Span and Bernadina how to make a sacrifice bunt (which is different than a drag bunt for a hit). Get rid of Tracy? And many et ceteras. I feel very bad for Haren, who could have used the win and deserved it.

  422. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:19 AM

    A lot of good comments and a lot of stupid comments. First of all, you don't walk Stanton to start the 9th. It was a bad pitch. That's it. You don't put the tying run on base in that situation. Bryce Harper as mentioned lost his cool and is best served to have Manny Acta, uh, I mean Davey Johnson argue those pitches. I feel his pain. It's a replay of those painful years of the Manager with his mouth taped shut. That strike 3 pitch wasn't close.I would have pinch run with a starter which probably would have been Gio in that situation and if not him then Rendon. Big blunder by Davey. Game on the line and you leave your slowest runner in there? Besides that, it was a lousy bunt.With Hairston's spot up and as poor as he is RH/RH you have to pinch-hit with Rendon.

  423. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:19 AM

    Harper on the other hand just say nothing despite the ump making poor callsUmps are never accounable players always are

  424. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:19 AM

    losing two out of three ???If we're lucky

  425. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:19 AM

    Interestingly enough DP – when DJ had Hairston at the plate… I was screaming no no no no… Put in Rendon… I think I screamed that like 3 times tonight…I don't fault Bryce… Blues have to be held accountable… Idc… It's one of those debatable subjects…

  426. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:20 AM

    James Wagner ‏@JamesWagnerWP 4mA clearly bothered Davey says he's changing the lineup tomorrow. He was going to wait until after the break. Not anymore.What can be done? Is he going to move Span down? I can't think of anything more that he can do with the lineup.

  427. ExposedinDC - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:22 AM

    Like I said, I have been a fan of this franchise for too long to give up, but if anybody thinks this team the way it is currently put together and currently managed will flip a switch and all of a sudden become a win 4 out of 5 ball club is delusional… Way to many cracks in the armor and way to many questionable decisions from management.

  428. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:23 AM

    OK, we are different people, Mrs. B. I do fault Bryce. He worked himself up into a state watching that video, and telling his teammates he was right. And, BTW, where WERE his teammates to tell him to cool down and make sure he didn't lose it???? Or his manager????? Or his bench coach?????? Ian is right that Bryce should not have blown up, but where were you, Ian, when Bryce was getting himself INTO that state?

  429. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:23 AM

    GoSM – you and I will disagree on walking Stanton… Their best player who has been a Nats killer… And considering who was afterwards… But that wasnt where the game was lost… So whatever…

  430. Coolhandbane (formally Bob Saget) - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    Secret wasian man: I know it is not the same team. I remember Mike Morse well. I think he and Bo Porter were big parts of last years team. Both are gone. I havent said this on the here but my dad and I agree with no Morse, this team lost a great bat and great personality. Question to everyone: What can be done with this team? What would you do as GM to make this team better?

  431. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:25 AM

    Changing the lineup??? That ain't going to make no difference. Span got on base via the walk in the last two games, just like he is supposed to. Davey is spinning, he has no idea what to do, so he "changes the lineup." Useless.

  432. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:25 AM

    I guess he will try to give Tracy more playing time ;(No, he'll move Span down.Bench Harper..put Rendon at third, Lombo at second.

  433. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:26 AM

    Wonder if he will switch Desi and Rendon….

  434. karlkolchak - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:27 AM

    Here is another "fun" fact. The Nats are now 16-19 against the NL Least, whom they also play 41 of their remaining 68 games against.

  435. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:27 AM

    Secret wasian man said… Ghost I told my friend the exact same thing about FP after that call. Great that somebody else noticed. Well done ghost. Thanks. Glad someone else actually watches and listens. I sent FP a text message that he would be proved wrong on Pitch Track.I like FP and I know he reads NatsInsider so he will not like my "turncoat" comment but it's true. While I have been accused of being a turncoat because I attend other games I do that as a baseball fan but no team has my allegiance other than the Nats.

  436. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:27 AM

    I also wonder if he will move Rayn out of the 4 spot… I'm not sure it will do anything but I guess at this point, he is pulling his hair out like some of us are…

  437. ExposedinDC - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:28 AM

    Span to the 8 spot…..hopefully

  438. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:29 AM

    Davey will shake things up caus if he doesn't Rizzo will pull the first trick and move Ek without Davey's thumbs upultimately, it's Rizzo who has the most to lose if the Nats don't win…He's not gonna let Davey get in the way.

  439. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:29 AM

    NL, for all you know, his teammates did tell him to calm down. That doesn't mean those emotions didn't resurface when the umpire screwed him over again. He clearly lost his temper and didn't think straight. I doubt that they just sat by.That's the problem I think some of us have. If we don't see it on TV, we assume it didn't happen. I don't know that someone did say something, but we can't say they didn't either.

  440. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:29 AM

    Steve M – you are Riggleman in real life aren't you….*snickers*

  441. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:29 AM

    I completely disagree about Harper. He absolutely did the right thing. Somebody needs to tell the poster boy umpire nepotism that he needs to lose about fifty pounds and pay attention. Davey just sits there and does nothing. Davey should have been the one in there getting thrown out but he just stands there.And the double switches are stupid. People act like those are free. They aren't they cost you a player and usually aren't worth the mental activity he puts into them.

  442. karlkolchak - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:33 AM

    Let's not forget that Ian was also the guy who claimed a couple of weeks back that because the Nats got two runners on in the bottom of the 9th and brought the potential tying run to the plate before losing by three was "progress."That's not a leader talking. That's an excuse maker.Frankly, I'm glad Harper did what he did. He's about the first player on this team since Matthues smashed his hand to show any indication at all that he actually CARES.

  443. karlkolchak - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:34 AM

    William O – About Davey: right on, dude.

  444. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:34 AM

    David, you are right that we don't know what happens inside. But Harper was out there on the railing stewing and gesturing. Now, maybe after the cameras were off an arm came out and dragged him inside and said "Cool off, kid." Maybe. Ghost, you may not like FP "sugar coating," but I think he's a pretty astute observer. I don't also don't think he says everything he knows.

  445. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:36 AM

    Span is a disaster on offense. He finally gets a couple of walks but then gets caught stealing. He can't bunt reliably. It is difficult to articulate just how bad a lead-off hitter he has been and he is not going to get better because his fundamentals are not good.Rizzo had to have this guy and only he knows why, but it was horrible karma bringing this guy in after Harper had earned the center field position. Rizzo was responsible for Chad Tracy. He was responsible for refusing to trade Storen when he had real trade value. He has had some achievements but his approach was fundamentally flawed, He had a 98 game winner and screwed it by bringing in a new, outside starter, which was bad enough, but the guy he brought in is a terrible hitter and the last thing Washington needed was the worst lead-off hitter in baseball to take us to the World Series.

  446. Unknown - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:36 AM

    Folks, it's over. The Nats aren't coming back this year. They need to give up their delusions of grandeur and start planning for 2014. Yet another winnable game against a less talented opponent given away. That's at least 10 already this year. No offense. Mediocre closer. Aging manager grasping at straws. Ugly.

  447. karlkolchak - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:36 AM

    NatsLady – if FP said everything he knew about what's ailing this team he'd be fired faster that Rob Dibble.

  448. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:37 AM

    Let me say this about Mattheus. How do we know it wasn't 'roid rage? Breaking you hand doesn't mean you care, it means you are STUPID. I don't put Bryce in that category, but he lost his cool. Write the umps a letter, whatever…You can't cost your team a game (not that he did, but it contributed).

  449. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:38 AM

    there are no more explanations on 2013 Nats… just a very disappointing group of players and coaches…

  450. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:39 AM

    natslady is correct about bryce

  451. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:40 AM

    Mick, you are a smart baseball person. Do you walk Stanton in a 1-0 game to start the 9th?

  452. rmoore446 - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:40 AM

    William O. Douglas L.–Davey would have had to be an Olympic sprinter to get out there before Harper got himself tossed. And you think it was "absolutely the right thing" to remove himself from the lineup voluntarily? So he didn't come to bat in a tie game? What positive did it accomplish? I guess he showed up that umpire, eh?Hitting a homer in your next at bat is the revenge not throwing an immature fit which accomplishes nothing.Time to head to bed when the level of discussion reaches this point.

  453. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:43 AM

    Desmond and Zimmerman seem to begin their at bats with 2 strikes against them. And who is going to talk to Harper? Maybe Rendon or Ramos? There is nobody else in the line-up playing worth a damn at all. I am so sick of hearing all the bitching and moaning about Desmond not being in the All Star game. He is way too erratic and flawed at the plate.

  454. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:44 AM

    Ghost,I do not throw a single pitch Stanton could hit..I try to get him to bite, but hell no do I pitch to him.also had to run an errand…what did davey say post game…tracy etc?

  455. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:45 AM

    Well, I'm not MIck, but no, I don't walk Stanton, because LoMo could just as easily hit one and game over. Soriano was going to blow a save sooner or later. Just like Stras was going to melt down. Those things happen. Good teams overcome them. 7-3 in the 3rd inning is not insuperable. 1-1 in the 10th inning is not insuperable.

  456. Coolhandbane (formally Bob Saget) - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:46 AM

    The nats are my team. I will support them. I know this isnt the NFL but something needs to happen in order for this team to win the east or get a wild card spot. If a coach gets fired/quits or a major trade happens, so be it. It seems this group of players and these coaches cant get this team moving in the right direction.Good night.

  457. jeffwx - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:46 AM

    If Harper has problems with the ump, he has plenty of opportunities to talk about it. But the ump wins when you get thrown out without a chance to help the team win.

  458. karlkolchak - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:48 AM

    NatsLady – I didn't say Mattheus wasn't stupid, I'm just saying that with Bryce it is good to see that someone is actually visibly upset about losing and not just walking around spouting feel good nonsense about turning the season around like a bunch of mindless zombies.

  459. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:48 AM

    GoSM – you and I can have the discussion… No need to bring others in it… It's not like it will matter at the end of the day…Point being, I would have walked Stanton as he is really the only threat in their line up… He is the scary one… But, again, that's not where the game was loss…

  460. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:51 AM

    John Lannan pitched 8 innings of 1 run ball. I don't miss him, but glad it wasn't just the Nats, he's pitching well against the ChiSox too. They are in the 11th of the doubleheader now. Two extra inning games and a rain delay–LONG DAY/NIGHT.

  461. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:52 AM

    MrsB loves the Nats said… Steve M – you are Riggleman in real life aren't you….*snickers* July 13, 2013 11:29 PM Ha! Jim is older than me but I've known Jim for a long time going back to his days in Chicago and I had a lot of respect for his baseball knowledge. He was never going to work out with the Nats given his relationship with Werth. Like I said many times, Werth runs the clubhouse.

  462. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:54 AM

    I think Davey wants out

  463. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:55 AM

    It is one game. That is garbage that Harper is supposed to roll over and let fat slobs like Wendelstadt intentionally torture him for sport. If you don't call the guy on it, then he is just going to do it again. You have to embarrass umps publicly, so that their family and friends understand just how bad they are, otherwise nothing changes because MLB truly does not care about the umpiring which is the worst of all the major sports. It is the same with judges….

  464. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:55 AM

    mick said… Ghost,I do not throw a single pitch Stanton could hit..I try to get him to bite, but hell no do I pitch to him.also had to run an errand…what did davey say post game…tracy etc? It was a horrible pitch. He had him 1-2. That pitch should have been in a biter in the dirt but you don't intentionally walk him. You get him to expand and get himself out. Haren did a great job on him.

  465. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:57 AM

    I can't believe I'm typing this…. But to an extent I agree with William on the Harp vs Blue deal tonight…But soon enough, I truly believe that the blue behind the plate will be replaced via a machine and instant replay will be introduced….

  466. David Proctor - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:58 AM

    WODL, that's a great way for Harper to develop an even worse reputation and end up squeezed every single time he's up to bat. If you think it's bad now, umpires can make his life a whole lot worse.

  467. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 3:59 AM

    look, i agree that the HP umpire is a fat pile of crap…but, he did not lose this game

  468. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 4:02 AM

    It was clear that Harp had a different SZ than everyone else… Not sure how Bryce will overcome the biasedness towards him…He can only stay quite for so long before his emotions get the best of him, which we saw what happened tonight…

  469. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 4:02 AM

    Here's the funny thing looking at Pitch F/X that the HR pitch to Stanton was a few inches above the strike zone. Any way, credit to Stanton. Soriano threw him a 94 heater. I would've gone slider in the dirt.http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/numlocation_io.php-pitchSel=400089&game=gid_2013_07_13_wasmlb_miamlb_1&batterX=65&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3.gif

  470. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 14, 2013 at 4:05 AM

    Now – I will agree, GoSM, that in the 1-2 case, I would throw something intentionally in the dirt or off the plate (which we saw Desi bite on a lot today)…. Bt I wouldn't even have wanted to test Stanton in a 1 run game, in the bottom of the 9th…And NL – I remember Lannan being solid and more productive than off… So the good nights he is having this year, aren't surprising to me…

  471. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 4:10 AM

    mick said… look, i agree that the HP umpire is a fat pile of crap…but, he did not lose this game Fernandez got 3 outside strike calls and 2 of them were on Harper. How do you explain that?Haren was painting the outside all night and got 2 calls but the ump missed 2 others. It was there for some and not there for others.Fernandez only had 1 missed strike call and overall was a +2. Haren was a +1 on the night so the K zone for the starters was close to fair. Why do the bad calls seem to happen to Harper?

  472. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 14, 2013 at 4:16 AM

    MrsB loves the Nats said… Now – I will agree, GoSM, that in the 1-2 case, I would throw something intentionally in the dirt or off the plate (which we saw Desi bite on a lot today)…. Bt I wouldn't even have wanted to test Stanton in a 1 run game, in the bottom of the 9th…According to that chart the ball was 3 inches above the strike zone and was the highest velo of all of his pitches he threw to Stanton in that AB. The movement was good on it. I don't have the scouting report on Stanton but I don't throw him a fastball.I think sometimes it's credit to the batter and that's one of those times. Not a horrible pitch in a 1-2 count but I go back to the slider in the dirt to get him to expand. He can't hit a HR on that.

  473. nats guy - Jul 14, 2013 at 4:22 AM

    The only chance the Nats have is if Mr. Applegate shows up with Joe Hardy played by Bryce Harper singing Ya Gotta Have Heart.

  474. Scott Margenau - Jul 14, 2013 at 5:36 AM

    Btw: Fernandez going ape %#^* after the HR really pissed me off.

  475. LARRY REED - Jul 14, 2013 at 6:35 AM

    This team is a disaster from Span to Davey. Davey has lost control of his team. When players are punching lockers snd getting kicked out of games. Also when a team digreses from the previous year the manager has got to go. Span is a bango that can't steal or bunt. They need Stanton and move Harper back to center field. And a new manager that's not knorr I dont him because he's part of this mess.

  476. LARRY REED - Jul 14, 2013 at 6:35 AM

    This team is a disaster from Span to Davey. Davey has lost control of his team. When players are punching lockers snd getting kicked out of games. Also when a team digreses from the previous year the manager has got to go. Span is a bango that can't steal or bunt. They need Stanton and move Harper back to center field. And a new manager that's not knorr I dont him because he's part of this mess.

  477. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 9:40 AM

    Well, Ghost, I don't know what you were looking at, but according to brooksbaseball, the Jennings pitch vs. Harper was on the black. The first strikeout, yes, he has a case. The second one, the one he got ejected for, no case.

  478. Coolhandbane (formally Bob Saget) - Jul 14, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Natslady: I generally dont post a lot. When I read comments, you seem to know what you are talking about.My question to you is this, is something major going to happen to this team over the all star break that will "shake things up"?Also, way to go tim for the no no.

  479. NatsLady - Jul 14, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    Cool hand==don't know. Not that big on playing GM, but Rizzo is, and with him you never know. Gotta go to work, but I'll be thinking about your question.

  480. baseballswami - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    I don't know about you, but I saw that issue with Harper and the ump coming a mile away. But no one in the dugout did? I mean, I am the Swami, but it was plain as day. The time to nip that was after the first time- look the kid in the eye and tell him the game is close, suck it up, we need you- and again right before he goes up there. Everyone too wrapped up in themselves? Too busy mugging for the camera and throwing seeds? And as for calling him out publicly- I thought that was supposed to happen privately. I do think that the LameDuck manager seems to be having leadership problems and perhaps Jayson needs to take it in hand. The players must stick together during this time where nothing seems to go right. Easy to blame the pitchers or Bryce, but once again- risp, no offense. Same tune.

  481. Another_Sam - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    The issue isn't umpires. Or ejections. Or errors. Or closers. Or . .. Or . . . Or . .. It's scoring one run in 10 innnings. You guys have surely already explored this. Even agains a Koufax or a Pascual [old Senators reference] we fans are entitled to more than one run in 10 innings.

  482. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:34 PM

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  483. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    "Here's the situation the Nationals have put themselves in: After dropping three of four in Philadelphia, they now have to take two of three in Miami or else go into the All-Star break one game over the .500 mark (at best). Considering they were four games over at the start of the week, that would be a significant disappoint."above is Mak Z' s opening quote going into this series. It is very astute an accurate. Now after 2 losses, what does this all mean for the future of this very disappointing and mediocre franchise?The only untouchable players on this team in terms of trades are Bryce, Rendon, Gio, J Zim, Stras, Desi. Everyone else has to be considered as trade material for the sake of the future. Ramos l would hang on too and if Werth's contract is impossible to unload, that is fine, he is still can play.If it means trading Clip, Soriano or Storen to upgrade the team's offense in the future, you have to consider it. Their are prospects out there on the level of a Desi or a Morse, both players were obtain via trade if we all remember when Nats were sellers. R Zim, is a nice young man and i appreciate all he has done since his rookie year, but I am convinced he is vastly over rated, not a prime time player when you need him and should be considered part of any deal while he still is batting over 270. I know that will not happen, and this is where blind loyalty destroys franchises for many seasons..This is what I think will happen over the break…probably nothing…the Nats spin will be they will try to make run because they have the pieces and will go until the trading deadline. By that time, they will be well over 10 games back in in third place with the Mets right behind them. Privately, I believe Rizzo knows he has some dead weight on this team and it is not capable of winning. So, at deadline, Nats will be big time sellers for future prospects. This may be the best thing for the future of the Nationals.

  484. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    my prediction in may of 85 losses looks like reality now

  485. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    when I say Werth can play, that is assuming he is healthy…he is missing half a season a year…he will be 1 year older next season too. Nats may be in a worse place than we think with Werth and R Zim's contracts, this why major deals must be made by trading deadline for prospects and decent young players or Nats could be headed back to below 500 for many seasons. This is not a LOD, this is reality. if anyone can refute this with facts, please tell me what they are?

  486. m - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    This team is so hard to watch. They are just plain boring. It is the same everyday starting with Span – weak grounder, pop out or called third strike. I am tired of hearing how many runs Span saves us. His refusal to dive for balls cost us a game against Phillie last week. After Span we have Desmond who will be swininging out of his shoes. Then we have Harper who has trouble with outside pitches. Zim will take a called first strike and then swing at an outside pitch to go 0 and 2. ALR will hit the ball into the shift for an out. I could go on and on but this post is boring enough just like this team. Our pitching is adequate. If Rizzo trades a prospect for some middling starting pitcher he should be fired. His tinkering with the team has already cost us dearly this year. If I am the GM I would focus on rebuilding the bench. Note to Rizzo: We not winning because we are not hitting.

  487. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    m…exactly right… focus has to be on offense then middle relief, however, Rizzo is in a catch 22…the only players of immediate value to other contending teams are our relief pitchers.. Rizzo has to be smart here

  488. Joe Seamhead - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    Prediction: Tracy gets his walking papers. Maybe Lombo, too. Espinosa comes back. Not saying I like it, but that's what I think is a good chance of coming to a theater near you.

  489. mick - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Joethat seems very plausible… Espi could also be show cased for other teams as part of deal in early August

  490. Another_Sam - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    I'm not yet going to fall into the pretend GM posture and speculate on trades, who is untouchable, and so on. But I am thinking that I'm lowering my expectations for the rest of this season. For the rest of the season, I'm going to expect entertaining baseball, few baserunning errors or fielding errors, and civil behavior from NI posters — me included.

  491. Another_Sam - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Mick — regarding Zimm being overrated: the entire club has been overrated by our group here. Just IMHO. But that's what we fans do. I still overrate 'em. All of 'em. I've been overrating my team for many many years.

  492. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    Mick I enjoy your posts. Still get that game beer waiting for you. Sports is supposed to be an outlet for real life stuff. But with this team it frustrates you even more.

  493. Another_Sam - Jul 14, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    One more thing regarding overrated: Espy being showcased? haha Paraphasing what they used to say in Baltimore: " . . . put together a package of Espy, two class A players and a has been . . . for <fill in the blank with a reall HOFer . . . " Not that's overrating. LOL

  494. Secret wasian man - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    When we are playing the mets or marlins on a Wednesday night I expect the attendance to dwindle significantly. The learners won't like that. Maybe then something will be done. If we lose today I expect that Davey will be ask to resign this week.

  495. Section 222 - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    Painful reading these comments, though I haven't read them all. I had a delightful evening watching the Frederick Keys get clobbered by the Carolina Mudcats (Indians farm team). Nothing to report from that game other than the fireworks were great and there was no rain. Listened to the 9th on the radio in the car and saw the 10th on TV. Ugh.I watched some key moments on DVR and looked at Brooks Baseball graphs. Looks like Harper had a beef on the 6th inning K, but not the 8th. And I have no idea what it gains him or anyone to argue and get tossed, or how Davey could have made it out there to stop him. Hope he learned a lesson. When he got tossed in Pgh, it wasn't his fault. This time it was.Totally don't understand Davey's moves. Where was Rendon? He could have pinch run for Tracy, and played third. Or pinch hit for Hairston (that's the real head scratcher, we could have won the game with a base hit there.) And couldn't Krol have gone an inning or two before you turn to pitch till you drop Stammen? Double switching out Zim seems like a very extreme move going into an extra inning game. Rigglemanesque. It really does seem like Davey is asleep at the switch. Maybe a few days rest will help him. Hope he doesn't have to work too hard at the ASG.Here's my question on the pitch fx charts. If you look at the individual charts, the pitch to Harper in the 6th was well outside the zone. But it was right "on the black" on the strike zone map for the game that shows the strikezone that most umps call against LH batters. Shouldn't players be aware that they have to protect the strikezone that most umps call?

  496. Faraz Shaikh - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    as far as I know Harper cost us the game.

  497. Faraz Shaikh - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    just saw Jose Fernandez's reaction to Stanton HR. Why is he acting like a kid watching his first game at a stadium and his favorite player hit a HR?

  498. nats guy - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    Mick,Actually they had put themselves in the postion in Philly to have sweep this series in Miami. The season effectively ended on Friday but was confirmed yesterday. You could see it in most of the players body language. They are wupped.

  499. nats guy - Jul 14, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    Paging Mr. Applegate.

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