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Game 102: Pirates at Nats

Jul 25, 2013, 2:05 PM EDT

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It's been ten days since the 2013 All-Star game and the Nationals are still looking for their first win in the season's second half. Last night we saw them lose their sixth straight game, failing to get any sort of offense going against lefty Francisco Liriano. 
If Liriano was trouble, they may have an even tougher time this afternoon against A.J. Burnett. Burnett has been excellent this season at the age of 36, holding a 3.07 ERA through 17 starts. Back in May he held the Nats to one earned run through seven innings and struck out nine.
The Nationals will have Gio Gonzalez (7-3, 2.89) on the mound who's had a pretty good season himself. Gonzalez also has a win against the Pirates this season, throwing six innings of two-run ball on May 5.
The real question will of course be whether the Nationals can score some runs today, as they have scored more than three runs just twice in their last ten games. They have, however, given Gio solid run support for the most part in his recent starts. Five of Gonzalez' last six outings have seen the Nats score five or more runs, each time taking the win when they hit that mark. Gio has also recorded quality starts in all nine of his outings since the month of May.
Updates to come…

PITTSBURGH PIRATES at WASHINGTON NATIONALS
Where: Nationals Park
Gametime: 12:35 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500), XM 869
Weather: Partly cloudy, 83 degrees, Wind 14 mph out to CF

NATIONALS (48-53)
LF Bryce Harper
2B Steve Lombardozzi
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche
RF Jayson Werth
SS Ian Desmond
CF Denard Span
C Kurt Suzuki
LHP Gio Gonzalez

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497 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. MicheleS - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    GYFNG! I will be in wine country for the next week. I will celebrate the Curly Ws out there

  2. Don - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    Please Davey, give us Span, Rendon, Zim, ALR, Werth, Harper, Desi, Suzuki. Let's score some runs for Gio today!

  3. Nats106 - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Need to salvage this game. Gio is the guy to do it. Let's go Nats

  4. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    I forgot it was an early game today… Was wondering why the live blog was up so early…Charlie and Dave and XM will be my friend today!

  5. Oldguy - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    When these guys break out–and they will!–it's going to be one hell of a ride.

  6. SCNatsFan - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    MicheleS I'm jealous, but don't wait for the curly Ws, just go ahead and uncork.

  7. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    The memories of a regular season loss, for the most part, wreck your mood until the next game.I'm really glad it's an afternoon game today!!Oldguy said… When these guys break out–and they will!–it's going to be one hell of a ride.Amen!! And, gosh, I hope it's soon!!

  8. Don - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    Ok, Rizzo has got to make a move and get Peavy or some other quality SP. The Braves have their own problems and can certainly be caught. Not sure why he's been waiting to add pieces to this club (pen arm, another bench bat, decent SP). Don't be shy Mike, pull the trigger!

  9. Joe Seamhead - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    I asked this question at the end of the last blog, but am bringing it over here.Over the last 20 games Anthony Rendon has hit .211 with a .263OBPIs Rendon just in a prolonged slump?Or has the league figured something out about him? Or is there any possibility that he isn't mentally ready for the grueling task of an entire pro season and is wearing down? [I'm not drawing any conclusions, but I think it's a good question].

  10. baseballswami - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    Paranoia, Part II– seems like every pitcher is in tip top form against us. No? I know we are bad right now , but every single day…. No cap tipping today! Find a way!

  11. nats guy - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    They have figured Rendon out. He'll need to adjust. He has a beautiful swing and is a smart kid he'll be OK.

  12. nats guy - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    It happens to everybody. Tyler Moore got figured out and so did Espinosa. Espinosa has a hole in his swing bigger thatn the grand canyon and Tyler Moore didn't have enough at bats to figure out what his problem is.

  13. Joe Seamhead - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    I still think being reminded every 7th inning that we got rid of Morse is like some kind of a jinx, or a hex, on this team. Dump the song, it's just bad karma!Now, let's everybody go out there and eat some face!

  14. joemktg - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    At the end of the broadcast signoff, Carp said (or something to that effect) "join us tomorrow to see if Gio can stop the losing streak."Interesting inasmuch as IT'S NOT THE PITCHING. SS did an incredible job last night, but the hitting failed yet again. Gio can pitch his guts out today, but its the hitting that needs to stop the losing streak.Averaging 6.5 hits/game since the break ain't gonna cut it. They've got to find 3-4 more hits in that lineup.BTW: MLB postseason probabilities have the Nats with a 4.1% chance of making the playoffs.

  15. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    – Strasburg, according to "game score" had the best (86) outing of his career.- The Pirates are 16-7 when they strike out 11+ times (wtf?)- Royals just won back-to-back series against the Tigers and Orioles, accomplishing that with a run differential of -6- Chicago had a 6-0 lead, blew it, then won 7-6 in the 12th.- Mike Leake somehow pitched 6 innings allowing 12 hits, but just one run. And he went 3-for-4 with a double, as Reds beat the Dodgers for the 6th time in 7 games (and are glad it's not a best-of-13 series ;-)

  16. nats guy - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    Oldguy,I agree when they break out it will be a hell of a ride. Only problem is that will probably be next year.

  17. Cameron - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Come on boys. Let's fix this now and then take down the Muts this weekend!

  18. alexva - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    don't worry about RendonRendon is the real deal

  19. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:52 PM

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  20. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Don said…Ok, Rizzo has got to make a move and get PeavySigh. Really? Again?Are you forgetting that the White Sox might want something back for the 7-4 Peavy? Might you suggest what the Nats will give up for him, and if the Sox would seriously take that deal?The other amazing thing about that suggestion is: why do we _have_ to get a starting pitcher when our problem is _hitting_?! So, instead of losing games 2-1, 3-2, and 9-2, we can lose 2-1, 3-2, and 3-2 instead?

  21. Tcostant - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    We need to stand pat. Making a trade now, is like chasing your losings at a casinio. This team will not make the playoff, with or without a new addition.Don't waste the prospect, stand pat, do the best you can and wait until next year…

  22. Unknown - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    We're going to crush the pie-rats today. I love to see the smug pittsburghers suffer. I will be heckling all afternoon

  23. joemktg - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    RE: PapaJohn's 50% off promo when the Nats score 7+ runs? Never has a promotion cost so little.

  24. natsfan1a - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    And how, Wonk.Have fun uncorking, Michele!A DC Wonk said… The memories of a regular season loss, for the most part, wreck your mood until the next game. I'm really glad it's an afternoon game today!!

  25. ExposedinDC - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    Rizzo won't make a move….like he said earlier this week, he doesn't see anybody out there that's a better option, of course he also said Tracy was a quality left handed pinch hitter and and that Davey is currently one of the best managers in the game…..Dude knows his stuff

  26. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    …Dude knows his stuff Yep, sure does! Digging out of two consecutive 100+ loss seasons pretty quickly, earning him Executive of the Year!

  27. Kirbs - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    1-9 in last 10, 2 games out of 4th place…..if moves happen, it should only be for ppl with control in 14. I wonder how this Hudson injury will effect all of this.

  28. hiramhover - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    WonkIt's a pretty narrow view that says you don't do the trade just because it won't fix the problem.That locker wasn't responsible for Mattheus' pitching problems, but he punched it anyway. He wasn't just gonna stand pat and do nothing.

  29. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    well put, hh!

  30. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    So that I don't have to look at the video . . . can someone tell me what happened to Hudson? (All I know is that he broke his ankle and that the video is awful)

  31. natsfan1a - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    He was covering first and looking over his shoulder (at Freeman, I think). The runner stepped on his foot, which was on the base.

  32. Don - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    Folks, the problem is pitching. I know that they have not scored, but they should be scoring. Storen cannot be trusted, Abad has ptiched over his head, Det's done for a month, Cole's innings limit approacheth, Haren is a bust. They need another pen arm and a SP and they need those guys now. The bats are here they just have not hit. They have to bank on Harper coming around, and if he does they can win in bunches. Standing pat and hording some random prospects (many of whom are blocked for years to come anyway) is not the play to make. They need to be more bold than that.

  33. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    On a slow grounder, Huddy went to cover first. He put his foot right in the center of the bag and lifted his heel. Eric Young came barreling through and stepped right on his ankle.

  34. JT - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    Gotta get this ship turned around. Lets hope the wind is at the Nats backs. Its no whiff thursday!

  35. Tcostant - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    Should be a fun Season Ticket event on Saturday!

  36. hiramhover - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    They need another pen arm and a SP and they need those guys nowI would totally agree, if you ended that sentence one word sooner.

  37. SCNatsFan - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    All we need today to win is Gio not make a mistake and give up a run

  38. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    Don said… Folks, the problem is pitching.You're going to have a hard time convincing me of that:Nats: 13th in batting, 14th in runs scoredNats: 6th in ERA, 5th in WHIPIf the Nats had scored two runs earlier in the game, Storen wouldn't even have pitched last night. Either Strasburg or Soriano would have pitched the ninth.

  39. baseballswami - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Finding that I just can't whip up on guys who have had a track record with us and helped this team go to the postseason last season. Just pulling for them and hoping that things turn around. We can watch or not watch. For them it's reputations and careers on the line.

  40. Don - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    This wait until next year stuff is literally loser speak. Punting on third and long is the kind of thing that gets a GM run aout of town. The club has a chance right now. Stras and Gio and J Zim are here and dealing now. Werth has finally arrived. Health has returned to the lineup. The runs are going to come. Rizzo assembled this lot, he had better be a believer in his handywork. He needs to add to the roster.

  41. bowdenball - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    Don-I appreciate your optimism that this season can still be turned around. But if the prospects in question are "random" and would be "blocked for years to come anyway," they're not gonna return any useful pitching. You can't get something for nothing. They either have to deal good prospects like Goodwin or Cole, or they don't get anyone better than they've already got. The White Sox aren't gonna hand us Jake Peavy for Christian Garcia and a half-completed "buy ten surgeries, get one free" card from Dr. Andrews.

  42. Cameron - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    Wonk I agree.How could anyone honestly say pitching is THE problem? It is A problem, but pitching should be the least of our worries with how bad this team is hitting.

  43. hiramhover - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    DonLook, I'm a fan. I'm going to think like a fan and root like a fan, whether they have a 95% chance or a 5% chance of making the playoffs. But a GM cannot manage the roster that way.PS – I know "punting" is a kind of recreational boating, but what does you mean, "3d and long"?

  44. A Fly Moses - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:55 PM

    Okay, now I'm starting to think Davey's just throwing games. Batting Lombo (it's too depressing to look up, but no part of his slash line is above .300) 2nd? What (for what lineup construction is worth), has been proven to be the most important spot in the order? It's embarrassing.Again, I doubt it would really fix anything, but since Davey seems to care about batting orders, why don't we just go back to Werth/Harp/Zimm/LaRoche/Desmond? Davey gets to keep his beloved R/L/R/L/R splits; you get your two best hitters the most at-bats; and it's not like anyone's ever on base for Werth as it is. I don't see why this is so hard.

  45. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Don, I'm with you, except—I'm not at all sure "Health has returned to the lineup." I think Harper is still hurt. I think LaRoche has all he can do to get out there and man his base. Seamhead raised the question whether Rendon is wearing down. Span was tired before the All-Star break, though he seems fine now. Desi has that blister and who knows what else. RZimm's shoulder seems better, but he has become a singles hitter (in the last 26 games, 5 doubles, 2 HRs).

  46. baseballswami - Jul 25, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    Plus- as much as we hate it with a passion, the bench players have to get some starts or they will be even worse. Look how Chad Tracy found his stroke with a few starts. Of course, then he sat on his duff and rusted again, so there is that.

  47. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    Just reviewing. Has the MLB sent their appology letter for Diaz's call or has Diaz commented himself (he is probably hiding from the media) for the blown call?For you missed it. Was reading the Pirates eqivilant to this sight to see if they understood the call was blown. Walker said he was fussing at Sanchez for goofing off after the Span out, while Ramos was on second. Sanchez said Diaz said you tagged him. Walker said he didnt come close to tagging him.How could Diaz bold face lie to Davey and no one call him on it.I will see how the calls at first go. I am stll convinced Alverez never touched home Monday.

  48. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Hey… Lombo got the Nats first legit hit last nite so there's that.

  49. Don - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    Bowdenball, I hear you. But almost every position player on the club is a long term piece. They built this club to win and to win now and they need to add stuff to it to have a better chance. If the Nats were in a dog-fight for 1st right now, I think that the sentiment would be that Rizzo should go get the player he needs, but in hear the focus is on how the club has done this or that poorly (failing to score mostly, playing bad D, bad baserunning, etc) in the past. They play the games as they come, only the standings matter in terms of the past. So they are in a hole, but the Braves are not world-beaters at all, Hudson just went down, they are not playing that well either. The Nats have bats that everyone (Rizzo and his big baseball brain included) thought would score. The Nats should score, and they WILL score. If the club ends up coming 2 games short of the Division are we going to feel good about not having gone for it by unloading some farmhands or taking on salary? I know I won't. If they don't add a SP, they have little chance to catch the Braves, if they do add a Jake Peavy or Josh Johnson maybe or Kevin Slowey (lots of ways they can play this in terms of rental, guy under control, high upside uy low kind of guy, solid innings eater), then they have a better chance.

  50. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    So, I got this idea from the fangraphs podcast. The bench is really killing us.In the first half==>wRC+ (weighted runs created, average = 100).Your regulars: All above 100 except Span (87, subpar but not hopeless).Your bench – Suzuki 62Bernadina – 47Lombo – 43Tracy – 29Moore – 23Espinosa – 22Looking at the last month (20 or more PAs)Werth – 207Ramos – 155Desi – 104RZimm – 100Span – 94Tracy – 94Suzuki – 93LaRoche – 92Harper – 86Rendon – 70Lombo – 55Bernadina 36

  51. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    So, from the bench killing us, now we have to include very subpar from Harper and Rendon.

  52. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    BTW, if you are out of the area, today's Nats game is the free game on mlb.tv. Get your devices ready!

  53. natsfan1a - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    Well played, sir.hiramhover said… PS – I know "punting" is a kind of recreational boating, but what does you mean, "3d and long"?

  54. Get Your Re(n)d On - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    Yes, definitely, what Rizzo should be buying now is pitching. But only pitching that's under control beyond this year. No rentals.

  55. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    Mick, the Cincinnati Reds won 102 games in 1970, then 79 games in 1971, then 95 games in the strike-shortened 1972 season, returning to the World Series. The Mets won 100 in 1969, then slipped slightly but stayed decent through 1973, returning to the World Series. The Mets seemed much worse in 1970 but their run differential was not that different from the year before, where the Cubs actually had a better Pythagorean number than the Mets did, which was 93 to 92, I think. The Mets were 8 games better than they should have been in 1969, and then I believe had a Pythagorean number of 88 in 1970, but underperformed it that year and finished behind the Pirates.Slippage is a pretty common phenomenon,I actually think the random element in baseball extends past individual seasons. People see them as discrete occurrences but when a team has a common core they often have random variations.

  56. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    Wheeler strikes out all three batters but a wild pitch and Buck throwing it away = a run for Atlanta.

  57. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    Rendon needed a day off… He was pressing.. Definitely in a little slump right now…He needs to work on re-adjusting to the league now that folks have tape on him…Lets win this! Go Nats!

  58. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    Hope we hit better than May 3 in Pittsburgh. Burnett shut s down 3-1. Det gave uo 2st inning to McCutcheon and a 2 run dinger to Mercer in about the 5th.

  59. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    Harpee solid on the first play.

  60. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    Nice play, Kid!!!!

  61. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    NL – The free game is just for people outside the area?

  62. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    Yes, it's blacked out if you are local, MrsB–very aggravating.

  63. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Usually it is that way on mlb.tv

  64. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    Yeah becuz my radio is like a batter behind… Oh well…

  65. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    Well that works but 23 pitches to only 5 batters will not allow him to pitch through the 8th. Needs to have a few short innings now.

  66. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    Looked like Ron harper's one pitch

  67. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    Long inning for Gio… But I will take the goose egg he got…

  68. joemktg - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    I'll take it

  69. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    Harper's mistake becomes a run

  70. RickH - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    Finally, we get a little luck our way.

  71. Don - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    Harore is such a lousy base runner — good thing he's wicked lucky. I'll take the result though!

  72. Brandon Wedel - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    Wow….How about that trip! :)

  73. Don - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    And I am such a lousy typist.

  74. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    Now that is a lead-off hitter and what he does. He gets on base and scores any way he can.

  75. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    Uhm… Harper not the smartest move… But we will take the run…

  76. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    RISP 7 FOR 82

  77. baseballswami - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    Gee, look at Lombo, creating offense. ;)

  78. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    are we really playing small ball????

  79. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    Um, actually that was the smartest thing that Harper could have done. Anything to get some fire under the guys. Span would still be standing over on 2nd or probably would have gotten thrown out on the bunt, not to mention that Span doesn't take hbp's, not his m.o.You either are willing to do anything to get on base and score, or you are not. Span is unwilling to do anything that smacks of heavy lifting….

  80. Nats106 - Jul 25, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    Maybe we get some more breaks. Sometimes you create your own luck. That a way Kid!

  81. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    The Pirates' 3rd baseman thought that Harper was going to run him over and took his eye off the ball. Harper has a very high success rate when he gets "caught" between bases. He knows how to play pickle and I have seen him make that same play several times the last two years….

  82. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    You have to take the opponent out of its comfort zone. Vince Colemand and Jose Reyes do that any time that they get on base. A lead-off hitter who can't do that had better get on base at a very high clip to make up for it.

  83. Nats106 - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    Sometimes 235 lbs and a 6.6 60 comes in handy in other places than the gridiron.

  84. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    8 for 83 RISP.Span ran like Harper causong bad throw.

  85. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    See, when Span place like Harper, good things happen. Stop playing afraid, Nats, and just play for the joy of playing and see what happens….

  86. baseballswami - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    What?????

  87. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    They are swinging early against Burnett… We scored again… Nice!

  88. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    8 for 84

  89. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    The Pirates are the worst team that I have ever seen.

  90. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    Diaz calls it right.

  91. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    2 for 4 this game. 8 for 85 during bad stretch, still under .100

  92. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    Hmmmmmm, maybe they shouldn't have put their bathing trunks on for Miami?

  93. baseballswami - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    Maybe today they will be!

  94. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    Seen many high school innings like what we saw. 2 running errors that are bailed out by fielding errors.

  95. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    I just realized… we turned the line over in the first inning…Nice….

  96. baseballswami - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    I heard all those little kids chanting- Let's Go Nats!! And I thought that was a cool thing. Maybe they heard it also and it wasn't cynical adults. Kids game, nice day.

  97. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    I though bathing suits were on early.

  98. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    The Nats are so busy trying to play everything by the book. Sometimes you need to just play and force the issue. It is supposed to be fun, not work, and this year, it has been mostly work for them. Last year they played from joy….

  99. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Gio needs to cut the pitch count down too many pitches per batter.

  100. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Marlon Byrd with the big RBI and taking of 2nd base against Atlanta. We could have him and his big bat and he cost the Mets essentially nothing. He has huge OPS+ numbers. Guess Rizzo's attention was diverted elsewhere.

  101. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    Well runners forced action twice and it worked. Now lets pitch like normal

  102. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    All 3 pirates hits had 2 strikes.Focus Gio.

  103. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Whats up with our pitchers when we get a lead…Sheesh… Come on Gio.. Throw the nasty!

  104. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    The Mets and the Nats are essentially tied in run differential.

  105. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    Looked like it bent in behind the plate. We will take it.

  106. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Lombo!

  107. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Lombo excellent play.

  108. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    Mets put up 4. I am not sure if that is good or not for us as they can pass us this week-end if they want to….

  109. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    Or we could win all 4 against the Mets

  110. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    BTW, apparently Tyler Moore has started hitting again in the minors. I am not sure what is going on with him, but maybe AAA curveballs suck or something, but if he has straightened himself out to a semblance of last year mid-summer, he might be a plus again instead of the worst player in the majors, which he was this season so far, depending on how you look at it….

  111. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    Harper would be well advised to elevate the balls better.

  112. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    Missed it watching the Mets game on Extra Innings. I guess it is still better for the Nats to have the Mets beat the Braves because it at least puts things more in our hands….

  113. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    We are due some bad calls our way and also some cheap hits like that one by Ryan….

  114. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    Diaz ,2 for 2 on close plays

  115. Faraz Shaikh - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    btw that was not a dribbler to 1b or 2b by span, in case anyone missed.

  116. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    MNF – make up call maybe?

  117. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    So Marlon Bryd is looking for a job in February after coming off a PED suspension and the Mets, who have NO outfielders at all in camp offer him a minimum vet contract and an opportunity to play himself into a full time job.Yeah, Rizzo blew that one.

  118. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    A note about tomorrow's pitcher–he has bone spurs in his elbow.mejiahttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/25/jenrry-mejia-will-need-bone-spurs-removed-from-elbow/

  119. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    Gio at 47 pitches in the first 2 innings… Ouch… Was hoping he can go 7 today….

  120. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:30 PM

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  121. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    I love the way that every time that Span gets a hit, someone on here posts, "hey, did you notice Span got a hit or Span hit that one hard?"Yes, we noticed and we were all surprised by it.

  122. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    William O. Douglas Loeffler said…Marlon Byrd with the big RBI and taking of 2nd base against Atlanta. We could have him and his big bat and he cost the Mets essentially nothing. He has huge OPS+ numbers. Guess Rizzo's attention was diverted elsewhere.20-20 hindsight?Byrd at age 34 batted .210 last year. That's the player your going to sign?

  123. bowdenball - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    William O. Douglas Loeffler said…"Marlon Byrd with the big RBI and taking of 2nd base against Atlanta. We could have him and his big bat and he cost the Mets essentially nothing. He has huge OPS+ numbers. Guess Rizzo's attention was diverted elsewhere."Maybe it was diverted by his .606 OPS in 2012 and his PED suspension.You're basically saying Rizzo screwed up because he doesn't have ESP. NOBODY in baseball saw this year coming from Byrd. Not even the Mets team that signed him- they only gave him a minor league deal.Take it somewhere else, WODL.

  124. Faraz Shaikh - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    well we have to point it out given with all negativity hurled at him.

  125. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Come on Gio….

  126. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Come on Gio this is not advisable.

  127. baseballswami - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Sometimes Gio gets in a groove later in the game and has some quick innings. I have worried in a few games about how far he would go, but it seems to be a pattern with him to have longer innings at the beginning. Probably a chart somewhere showing pitches per inning for the season.

  128. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    Yeah, you have to feel sorry for the Mets getting all that production out of Byrd while Span is offensively not even a replacement player….

  129. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    Rizzo could deal Harper for magic beans and you would have somebody on here defending Rizzo: "well, they could have magically transformed Haren's arm and Span's bat…."

  130. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    Gio seems to be our main starter who can transform a bad start into a good quality one.

  131. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    Lombo times 2

  132. RickH - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    LOMBO!!! Again!

  133. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    Gio sure isnt doing it the easy way 2 runners each inning. 3 walks and 3 hits.

  134. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    So McCatty comes to the mound, and Gio strikes the next guy out.Gee I wish I could have been at that meeting!That kind of thing happens a whole lotta times with McCatty.

  135. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    Lombo deserves the love for his play today.

  136. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    Gio 23,24 and 20 pitches so far.

  137. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    But you know more than anyone, Faraz, that daily results are all but useless in disproving a trend. We'll take it but you get to the point where one says, "Hey, Haren got through an inning without giving up a homer….

  138. Nats106 - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:41 PM

    Another Giodini escape! 67 pitches though. Bucs need to return the favor we did for Liriano with a 5 pitching inning.

  139. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    William O. Douglas Loeffler said… Yeah, you have to feel sorry for the MetsWhat are you talking about? The Mets got extremely lucky with a guy that looked like a bum — to the entire league — and that the best deal he could get is a minor league contract. Who's feeling sorry for the Mets for that?Read my words: he batted .210 last year!William O. Douglas Loeffler said… Rizzo could deal Harper for magic beans and you would have somebody on here defending RizzoWhat are you talking about?So, tell us Mr Arm Chair GM — which outfielder who, this year, is batting .210, should the Nats go after and replace Span with?

  140. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    My son just said the same about Lombo and we will take it. I think everyone roots for Lombo, but that doesn't chance the fact that he has been an incredible disappointment this year, but all you have are your today's and tomorrow's ultimately…..

  141. baseballswami - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    MNF– it's going down, though, right?

  142. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    I don't understand swinging at the first pitch. Give Gio a little time to rest. THINK, guys, THINK.

  143. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    If it was a pitch worth hitting, then swing away.

  144. Nats106 - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    I know you're not asking me, but I'd suggest Josh Reddickhitting 21r right now. Plus he and Werth can have a ZZ Top tribute band concert after each game.

  145. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    Gio slowed it down enough to keep Lombo from making the play.

  146. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    DC Wonk, the moral of the story is that there are tons of guys like Span who play outfield with decent speed, but who aren't great hitters. Sometimes they have great years and sometimes they don't. You don't upset the balance of your team by seeking a guy who doesn't fit in with the philosophy which is the Earl Weaver type of team. Span was a terrible fit. Byrd would have been a great fit.

  147. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    Again 2 on base. Cant keep doing this.

  148. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    One reason we have all these people who do nothing but defend Span is because they were the same people cheering Rizzo on when he got the guy. They don't want to admit that they were just as wrong as Rizzo was, but since I opposed the deal from the beginning, I have the ability to be honest about it….

  149. bowdenball - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    Reddick won't be a free agent, Nats106. He's not even arbitration-eligible yet. Plus everyone expects him to recover form his down year, so he's not exactly the same as Marlon Byrd.I think DC Wonk is asking too much of WODL, though. It's not his job to evaluate slumping veteran major league talent. His job is apparently to ruin game threads of weekday afternoon games most people can't watch on TV.

  150. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    Marlon Byrd on base again. The network is showing what a great teammate he is on the Mets and how well he fits in.

  151. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    Gio what are you doing? Just blow him away. Dont let the pitcher hit the ball.

  152. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    We ask nothing of you, Bowdenball and get pretty much what we ask…..

  153. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    He was a Nat before wasnt that good here then why would him to be good a second time.

  154. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    You can strike out Marte but not Burnett. Ummmmm.

  155. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Span was a terrible fit. Byrd would have been a great fit. Sorry — I still don't see it. Span's got great range, and he's a lifetime .281 hitter and he's 29.Byrd is 35, coming off a PED suspension, has less range, and there's no telling if this is a fluke year or not (how many other guys have their best OPS of their career at age 35?)If you're saying that Byrd would have been better for the Nats *this year* — well, duh. But 29 other teams didn't think he was worth even a minor league contract.That's what I call 20-20 hindsight.

  156. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Only 15 pitches that inning

  157. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    I hope Gio didn't use. Seriously. I would prefer not to have any PED user even if they have "served their time." I will be booing Braun every time he steps to the plate next season.

  158. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    Byrd was Span-like here and as soon as the Nats got rid of him, he got much better.

  159. Nats106 - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    Thanks Bowdenball. I was more trying to lighten things up (again failing miserably). I didn't know he wasn't arbitration eligible, but his power, speed and beard seems to be the right fit.Too bad James Harden plays basketball and not baseball

  160. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    Span was worth a flyer, but the acquisition should have been de-emphasized. He should have been brought in as a guy who needed to establish his credentials. They brought him in as some sort of savior. It was not smart. There are a host of guys like him all over baseball. It takes zero genius to find a Denard Span. The Nats have had many guys more or less exactly like him in the outfield in terms of production and speed since 2006.

  161. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    Harper upper cut your swing some please.When you tgrow strikes you tgrow less pitches. Burnett 5 pitches all strikes.

  162. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    You are going to tell me ALL of those first pitches were pitches to hit? All of them in the last two innings? (Gio is excused.)

  163. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Because if they were all pitches to hit then we should have had five hits (Gio is excused). Otherwise you don't give the other pitcher 5 and 6 pitch innings.

  164. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    if a pitch is a first pitch and is perfect, then the player should generally swing away. Perfect pitch is subjective, however.

  165. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Gio can you have an easy inning?

  166. Nats106 - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    At this rate 5 innings and 100+ pitches lines Gio up for the win. Stammen will need to deliver 2 solid innings. Earlier this year the greatest angst we had was the inability to score extra runs after getting on the board early to deliver a knockout blow. It would be nice to change that today as well and make everyone at the game hard times wing eiigible.

  167. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    Gio you need to k martin

  168. Nats106 - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    Manassas, he heard you

  169. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    Got the result, but man took a lot of pitches.

  170. Ishmael - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    "You don't upset the balance of your team by seeking a guy who doesn't fit in with the philosophy which is the Earl Weaver type of team. Span was a terrible fit. Byrd would have been a great fit."Yes, look how terribly Weaver's Orioles did with Paul Blair in center. Oh, wait a minute. Never mind.

  171. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Barves tied it up on a Freeman HR. Zach Wheeler is not Matt Harvey.

  172. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Curve so good tgat fastballs tie tgem up when high.

  173. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    Braves come back. It they can win and the Nats can win, we move ahead of the Mets in the loss column….

  174. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    Okay, for comparing Denard Span to Paul Blair, you are forever tainted…. That is a shameful thing to even joke about.

  175. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    How in the heck is Burnett only at 52 pitches when they tagged him for like 40 in the first 2 innings????

  176. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    Plus, check Paul Blair's power totals and get back to me, Ishmael….

  177. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    Lombo is having an awesome day! Good for him… He deserves it…

  178. Nats106 - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    98 pitches. Does Gio go out for the 6th? Weather pleasant, quick inning would work well.

  179. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    Sounds like soccer field will be on otger side of cobcrete factory, where I like to park.

  180. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    9 for 86 RISP no run that time.

  181. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    2.6 runs average scoring when bases loaded 0 out (or close to that)

  182. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    DP here would be fine if it scores a run….

  183. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    RISP 9 for 88

  184. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Oops 87

  185. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    David Wright with a triple. Hard to believe that Ryan Zimmerman used to be better than David Wright….

  186. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    Fredi got ejected by the 3B ump. Wonder what that was about.

  187. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    Finally.

  188. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    Wow… Jayson and Desi with some dumb at bats…

  189. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    All I asked for was a double play and instead 2 K's…. Come on Denard.

  190. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Hey, Desi and Jayson, he's been calling that ALL DAY. Adjust! Foul it off.

  191. Ishmael - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Blair's career slugging percentage: .382; Span, even with the bad year he's having, .384.Still think they are very similar players. Weak hitters and great defenders.

  192. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Now 9 for 88. That has been a strike all day, just got that call against Werth, so why the complaining.Since the first we are back ti normal.Now 9 for 89

  193. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Bases loaded and we didnt do a damn thing… Terrible, terrible, terrible…

  194. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    If we had better pitching we'd have scored that inning. . . . or something like that ;-)

  195. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Did DJ just get tossed?

  196. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    Ismael, no idea who Paul Blair was, so looked it up. Looks like a clone of Span. Had Gold Gloves, but hard to judge because you don't know the competition or the voting.

  197. bowdenball - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    MrsB loves the Nats said…"Wow… Jayson and Desi with some dumb at bats…"Both called strike threes were outside. If they'd swung at those pitches, it would have been strike three swinging instead of strike three looking. At least by taking the pitch they gave themselves a chance that the call would go their way. Swinging at those pitches would have been a guaranteed out.

  198. Alphabet Soup Erik - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    I am so sick of listening to that idiot FP tell us that pitches aren't strikes when they are…both of those pitches were on the corner and have been called all game. Get over it. SWING THE BAT!!!

  199. Scott Margenau - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    This is unacceptable.

  200. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    That's bad on Werth and Desmond. That pitch has been a strike all day for both teams.

  201. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    NatsLady said… Hey, Desi and Jayson, he's been calling that ALL DAY. Adjust! Foul it off.Agreed. This is exactly what Davey's been complaining about when he says that our batters have to be more aggressive.The other night somebody pointed out how many K's we have, and the high proportion of them being backward K's.Sigh . . . .

  202. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    bowdenball, it doesn't matter if they were balls by pitch track, that ump has been consistent since the first inning. You have to adjust. Stick the bat out there and foul it off or put it in play somehow.

  203. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    bowdenball – I cant see the game, following on pitch track (and listening to C&D but they are delayed)based on the SZ, it looks like Ks of course.. but i have an issue with the bat on shoulders.. also simple contact is asked.. Doesnt have to be for the fences…But this is becoming a continual them… But thanks, as I am at the mercy of having to read from some of the folks on the blog who are actually watching the game…

  204. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Backward Ks is a problem Schu needs to work on .

  205. SCNatsFan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    Two nights in a row Werth gets caught looking in a situation he should be swinging.Lets hope the Pirates hand us some runs next inning becasue that appears to be our go to play. Still, we are winning…

  206. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    Uhm.. Think they need to pull Gio… He is at 105 pitches already…Im surprised that he is even out there…

  207. NatsLady - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    Boy, Gio sure put one in there for a lousy hitter.

  208. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    Span is already past his peak. Blair had a long career and just comparing the averages obscures that Blair had a peak where he was one of the top players in baseball. Blair was an All Star who stole bases, hit for power and won Gold Gloves for the O's when they were great. Span does none of that and has done none of that. Go check around using Span's last 3 or 4 years. He is a replacement outfielder offensively and not quite an elite fielder, although very good. There are tons of guys like that in AAA.Span is a replacement outfielder, which is not a bad thing to be. You get rich and you get to play a great sport, but there are tons of Spans out there and Rizzo spent years trying to get this guy with no real distinguishing talents. That is a mystery to me.

  209. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    Wow.. I just said Gio should have been pulled… He has been laboring all day… And then the 2 run homer comes…Argh…

  210. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Last 10 minutes this game turns.Taking third strikes is simple costing this team more than the hitters realize.I hope Schu actually coaches against that, and not just be a observer.

  211. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    How could any baseball fan not know who Paul Blair is? That is hard to believe for me, but I guess people don't study the history of the game much anymore…..

  212. nats guy - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Here we go …..AGAIN.Too much crying about umpires. Not enough focusing on ……WINNING.

  213. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Paul Blair about as shallow as any CF ever did.

  214. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    I'm beginning to think WODL isn't a Dennard Span fan.

  215. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    Well, the same thing just happened, so I'll say the same comment:McCatty comes out to visit, and Gio strikes the next guy (this time, two guys) out.What's he saying?!

  216. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    FWIW, ELO rating on Baseball Ref has Paul Blair as number 356 in between Sammy Sosa, Alfonso Soriano and Rafael Palmeiro….

  217. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    I have not had a problem with umps today.

  218. nats guy - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    He's saying get the f***ing ball over the plate.

  219. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    Elo Rating of Denard Span: 960, which is probably too high….

  220. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    William O. Douglas Loeffler said… Span is already past his peak.At age 29?You ought to be a multi-millionaire by playing the stock market by now, since you can predict the future so well!

  221. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    If you ask anyone who saw the O's teams of the 60's and 70's who is better, Denard Span or Paul Blair, you would get nothing but laughter in response…..

  222. bowdenball - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    NatsLady said…"bowdenball, it doesn't matter if they were balls by pitch track, that ump has been consistent since the first inning. You have to adjust. Stick the bat out there and foul it off or put it in play somehow."You make it sound so easy. It's remarkable that any major leaguer has ever struck out, considering how easy it apparently is to put a hard fastball up and away into play.I'll go ahead and give the benefit of the doubt to the guy with five HRs in the last four days.

  223. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    Gio just throws way to many balls. This guys wants to call strikes so it takes effort to throws that many balls.

  224. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    I hope the fans were not booing the umpire…I know he is a 4 eyed good ball, but this was the 3rd time around the batting order…Werth, and Desi know how he has been calling the strikes so there is no excuse to be watching anything in the zone and outside. Span, you knew would hit to 2nd base or strike outpathetic….zero outs bases loaded and nothing…. the term s LOSERS and that is what this team is made up of.. Lombo playing with heart today is the only positive. Jayson has been great but when you hold a press conference saying its not over and have an at at bat like that, its embarrassing. I bet Stammen gives up at least 2 runs as he has been terrible of late

  225. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    7 in row is about to happen gang…. no doubt at all in my mind

  226. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    What is the definition of a Denard Span fan?A relative of his or Mike Rizzo's….

  227. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Another ridiculous stolen base.

  228. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    There is the difference between you and me. I assumevwe will get hits you assume outs. I assume Stammens will strike out Mercer you sssume 2 runs.

  229. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    WODlol on span ha haand thanks for the research on the last blog, i appreciate it.

  230. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    MNFtrue, but the sample size this season would suggest I am probably correct

  231. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Ball 3 should have been strike 2 better than the ones to Werth or Desmond.

  232. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Umps don't like to stand out in the sun any more than I like to sit in the sun. You have to be a bit more agressive.

  233. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    Oh RZim………..thank you ALR.

  234. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    See Ghost – that is why I hope we dont move Adam… or Ryan to 1st base…

  235. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    New Nats Motto: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory….

  236. nats guy - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    That was close. Another wonderful save by LaRoche. Another not so wonderful throw by RZim.

  237. Tcostant - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    At least Davey won't be around to put Storen in the game!

  238. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    Ghost as I said in the last blog…ALR has save R Zim and Desi from embarrassment…can you imagine how many more games under 500 this team would be with out ALR's defense?

  239. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    How are we going to get through 3 more innings?

  240. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    That is correct, but I don't need to be correct to feel validated. Because i am not a better, i just predict good.I would never bet the way I predict.

  241. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    Gio came into the 6th with 98 pitches and a 4-1 lead. Wasn't Clip and every body but Storen available for this game?Just thinking it may have been time to give the ball to the bullpen to start the inning. Very reminiscent of Game 5 where Davey stuck with Gio too long and the Cardinals "smelled blood". Knorr/Davey just don't seem to adapt.

  242. bowdenball - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    mick said…"7 in row is about to happen gang…. no doubt at all in my mind"No doubt, huh? So can I get 2 to 1 on the Nats? If the Nats win you give me $200, if the Pirates win you get $100. Since there's no doubt in your mind, this amounts to a free $100 for you. Whaddya say, mick?

  243. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    If you notice, every team the Nats have been playing have gotten better since the break, the Mets may sweep us as well as they are playing very well. Nats have clearly become one of the worst MLB teams since the break.

  244. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    I bet Stammen gives up at least 2 runs as he has been terrible of late Really?

  245. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Wonkyes, really!! wait til next inning..

  246. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    Paul Blair and Tris Speaker were known for playing incredibly shallow in center field, and Blair won 8 Golden Gloves and won 3 World Series and made 2 All Star teams.

  247. Nats106 - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Top 3 in the order have been getting it done today.

  248. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    Is Davey allowed to contact McCatty or is he cut off from communicating?

  249. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    sure bowden you got itI bet you really enjoyed this web site when the team lost 100 back to back, maybe secretly most of you do as well.get off my back…my posts are harmless compared to others in here…I have every right to vent…you can be all feel good towards lousy played baseball if you want, but lay off me. I am so sick of any negative comment be scrutinized.i guess its my turned to be picked on, right, then go for it!

  250. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Technically, Davey has to stay out entirely. Practically, he is certainly still in touch.

  251. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    mick said… Ghost as I said in the last blog…ALR has save R Zim and Desi from embarrassment…can you imagine how many more games under 500 this team would be with out ALR's defense?Davey and Rizzo knew what RZim was & is and have accepted this poor throwing as a rule and not an exception. This is why the Nats brought ALR back.Third basemen are supposed to make a throw on a line not lollipoping it over and hoping the 1st baseman bails you out. Let's be real, the reason RZim doesn't play the line in "no doubles" situations or play at normal depth is because he can't make the throw as easily. It cost the Nats a game in the Dodgers series when the 1st batter hit a double up the 3rd base line and RZim was manning his perch at it's usual spot.It's hard to watch a Gold Glove player like him deteriorate as quick as he has.

  252. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Imagine that. An elevated ball and Harper gets a hit.RISP 9 for 90. 3 for 9 for the game.

  253. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Mick is doing that thing that I used to do when I was a kid. It is a subtle form of superstition. You say that the worse is going to happen and then are glad when it doesn't. That isn't to say that there is truth in what he posts, but apparently most people on here don't "get" it. This is a very common form of "superstition", if you will engage in by almost everyone to varying degrees…..

  254. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Stammen gets the 1st out and Nats are going to stick with Craig Stammen until the lefty I presume.

  255. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    If we can get through this inning, we might not have to face the big guns again….

  256. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    WODsome of that is true

  257. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    I meant to say, this isn't to say that there isn't truth in what Mick posts. Hard to get those negatives in sometimes, even for the LOD….

  258. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Ghostgood points

  259. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Boy, the Pirates have no fundamentals….

  260. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Stammen with a good inning…

  261. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    mick said… Wonk yes, really!! wait til next inning..Four up and four outs.

  262. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Where has this Stammen been lately?Diaz need to see again.

  263. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    ha ha Clint Hurdle, now you get to see first hand how bad this umpire is

  264. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Wonki hope your right

  265. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Nats luck out. Stammen pitches to Alvarez the HR hitter and gets away with a single and a tag out as he rounded the base.Why not Krol in that situation?

  266. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    NatsJack left? Dang… I wanted to ask him a quesiton….

  267. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Hurdle and Davey having a beer in one of those low-rent beer gardens next to the Park…..

  268. bowdenball - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    mick said…"get off my back…my posts are harmless compared to others in here…I have every right to vent…you can be all feel good towards lousy played baseball if you want, but lay off me. I am so sick of any negative comment be scrutinized."You're right, you're allowed to vent all you want. But guess what? I'm then allowed to point out that you're being over the top with your negativity and saying things you don't actually mean. What's good for the goose … If you don't like it, you can either vent in private, or you can stop being over the top with your negativity and saying things you don't mean in a public forum. Otherwise, deal with it, just like you're asking other readers to deal with your negativity.

  269. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Nats need more than 4 runs to win this today

  270. Nats106 - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Nice job by stammen. Now let's get some insurance

  271. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    MrsB, that inning should still be going don't you think.

  272. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Barely round, but enough for Diaz. Cant say he is wrong.Heads up by Desi to toss over.

  273. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Davey can't pay the $9 in Nats Park since he won't be getting his play-off and world series share….

  274. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    I have every right to vent…you can be all feel good towards lousy played baseball if you wantNo Mick — it's the opposite.We feel awful about the lousy baseball, and we're trying to be hopeful. And then somebody comes in and — while we're still winning — promises we're going to lose. Or guarantees that Stammen will allow two runs. He didn't? OK, next inning he would.Everybody's got their own thing that bothers them. The thing that bothers me is predicting doom in the middle of a game — going to far as to predict a loss even when we're winning.

  275. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    bowdenwhatever

  276. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    Zim with 2 infield hits already, tried for a third.

  277. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Ghost – Im following on pitch track… So it looks like Stammen is wheelin… I was waiting to see something about a switch but I figured that Stammen was wheelin so he would continue to the inning…Its a good thing our D is holding up…

  278. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Just skip what you don't want to read. I try to ignore all those posts that say "Span is just in a 4 year slump. Let's be patient with the guy."

  279. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    And I'm not picking on you, Mick — I pick on anyone that does that.

  280. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    WODlololo

  281. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    Im so glad Adam got a hit… He has been a little off lately, too…Granted, he got robbed a couple of hits…

  282. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    I would much rather read Mick than read the posts that say that it is still early in the season….

  283. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    WonkI got it

  284. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    Wow – Jayson Werth has not had a good day at all…

  285. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    Memo to Jayson: if the ump is gonna keep calling those a strike, Burnett's gonna keep throwing them.

  286. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    Erth forgot that was strike 3 last time too.

  287. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    as Booby C just said.."on the corner or there abouts"…does MLB evaluate this umps and are their penalties for horrible umpires?

  288. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    But Ghost – what I am upset about is that Burnett is still in this game..Nats were having very good at bats early in the game… First 2 innings, Burnett was up there in the pitch count… Then all of a sudden, its like they just got up there and said to hell with it, lets end this right now…

  289. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    I swear I hit the damn. w. Werth……

  290. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    So did he actually take a turn, or was that a bit of a makeup call?

  291. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    Anyone who thinks that Mick's predicting doom is going to bring doom deserves to have their blogging pleasure disrupted because they are apparently more superstitious than he is, because they think the Nats only win when everyone is posting "peace and love"….

  292. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    Burnett was up there in the pitch count… Then all of a sudden, its like they just got up there and said to hell with it, lets end this right now… OTOH, we know with lots of pitchers that they sometimes have bad first innings, and then settle down and pitch well.

  293. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    I know Nats should have scored with bases loaded, but this HP umpire is very bad!

  294. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    Hopefully at some point in the future, pitch count will fade into obscurity. I don't know how we survived without it for the first 90 years of MLB. Players should play the game, not the pitch count.

  295. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Wonk – From my understanding, Burnett had a 5/6 pitch inning followed by a 7/8 pitch inning… that isnt settling down…That is poor plate discipline…

  296. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Speaking of people who've been proved right, how's Swift Eagle these days? Well, I hope.

  297. David Proctor - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Why in the world is Knorr going with Tracy against the lefty?

  298. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    WODgood point…do not ever remember the term pitch count back in the day

  299. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    SI started all this pitch count stuff and there is not a lot of science behind it at all. It is the low-sodium recommendation (another thing you always hear that means nothgin) of sports…. How did Walter Johnson and Warren Spahn and Nolan Ryan pitch all those innings? It is all garbage that we have to hear about over and over. I am sick of hearing about it. Leave the guy out there until he is getting shelled.

  300. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Someone provided a great stat. Nats lead majors in percent of k that are looking.I wonder what the percentage is and what the second place team's percentage is?Now 9 for 91 RISP daily now 3 for 10.

  301. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    WODDon Drysdale had no pitch count either, that man was a machine

  302. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    We have people who have never heard of Paul Blair, but they are experts on pitch counts and how to work them. Seems strange to me….

  303. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    David Proctor said… Why in the world is Knorr going with Tracy against the lefty?Huh? Isn't Burnett a righty?Perhaps because of:Rendon in July: .211Tracy in July: .368

  304. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    Paul Blair was one hell of player, won WS with both O's and Yankees, he had speed batted over 280 and was an All Star defensive player

  305. David Proctor - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    Oh I'm stupid. Ignore me.

  306. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    So, if you're watching, on the Alvarez play where Hurdle got 86'd, did Alvarez really make a move to go to second, or was that just a makeup call?

  307. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    William O. Douglas Loeffler said… We have people who have never heard of Paul Blair, but they are experts on pitch counts and how to work them.Has it occurred to you that knowing who played on the Orioles 35 years ago, and knowing strategy in 2013 are two different knowledge bases?

  308. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    Bernadina, a late inning defensive replacement….

  309. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    Sofa…I doubt it, i just think that umpire is simply terrible

  310. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    Clippard came in, he saw, and he conquered…Dang, that was quick…

  311. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    Six pitch inning from Clip. Nice!

  312. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    No, Wonk, because I don't think a person can be a true baseball fan without knowing its history, and especially the history of a local guy, but you can be a Nats fan and know nothing whatsoever, yes….

  313. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    Wonki want to be wrong

  314. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    David Proctor said… Oh I'm stupid. Ignore me.Naah . . . your batting average around here has got to be well over .950!

  315. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    Paul Blair famous for replacing Reggie Jackson mid-inning before Billy Martin's dugout meltdown in the late 70's….

  316. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    1 more run would be huge

  317. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    WODha ha very good, that is correct

  318. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    Wonk, selective anecdotes always seem to support the viewpoint of the person putting them forth: you can't explain that.

  319. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    When did Paul Blair play for Washington?

  320. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Sec, My Sofa – You just blew someone's mind with that… lol…

  321. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    William O. Douglas Loeffler said… No, Wonk, because I don't think a person can be a true baseball fan without knowing its history, and especially the history of a local guy, but you can be a Nats fan and know nothing whatsoever, yes….Who died and made you arbiter of what it takes to be a true fan?But that's trying to slide away from my point: being a "true fan" according to your definition, and knowing a lot about how baseball works in 2013 are two different things.NL has a long track record around these here parts making keen observations based on her knowledge and of stats.(While you announce to the world that that one of the worst hitting teams in baseball absolutely has to go out and get pitcher Jake Peavy)

  322. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    NatsJack — good one!

  323. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    At some point, Baltimore had Paul Blair and Washington had Willie Tasby.

  324. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    Blair played for the Orioles for many seasons. I never met anyone that I respected as a baseball fan who didn't know about Paul Blair. I allow for youth, but anyone over 8 years old who loves baseball the way that I do, knows about Paul Blair. And if you don't, then you should….

  325. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    I don't think you can be a fan of English and not know simple punctuation and spelling, and the difference between there, their, and they're, but that's just me.

  326. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    make this 5-3

  327. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    I don't like Harper as lead-off man. He has only gotten on base 3 times today. I just don't like it.

  328. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    C'mon Lombo — get us a sac fly!

  329. Nats106 - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    Since we're talking about Paul Blair, he played in an era of HOF centerfielders. Tail end of Mays and Mantle, Vada Pinson, wasn't Alou (or one of them) at CF?

  330. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    LOMBO!!!!

  331. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    And I don't know anyone who doesn't Sofa. That is the lowest form of internet attack, usually engaged in by people who are a little bit slow, you know, the kinds of guys who always thing of good comebacks ten minutes later, but don't realize that people are typing on miniature keyboards and that "there" quip is about as lifeless and stupid as they come…..

  332. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Well, Blair was OK, I guess, but he was no Adolpho Phillips.

  333. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Its just one of those days… Good on Lombo…

  334. David Proctor - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Lombo with quite a day.

  335. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    OK, no sac fly. I'll take the double. Thanks! ;-)

  336. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    That was much better Sofa, see you can do better when you try.

  337. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    You missed my taked.He barely turned. But Desi throwing over convinced Diaz he did turn.

  338. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    Oh, come on. There are much lower. I put it in the middle somewhere.

  339. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    See, Mick, it's not just you I pick on! ;-)A Fly Moses said… Okay, now I'm starting to think Davey's just throwing games. Batting Lombo (it's too depressing to look up, but no part of his slash line is above .300) 2nd?

  340. pedrocerrano - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    I would trade all the denard spans and danny espinosas in the world for just one steve lombardozzi

  341. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    Blair was a very good player…problem was in Baltimore he was over shadowed by Frank Robinson and Don Buford

  342. David Proctor - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    A fastball right down the middle…

  343. Section 135 - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    Way to be clutch Zim

  344. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    And Squeaky Valentine. Don't forget Fred.

  345. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    feeling a lot better about this game…. but another run would also be nice

  346. Alphabet Soup Erik - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Ryan Zimmerman sucks. Right down the middle with runners on 2nd and 3rd.

  347. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Another backwards K. I know where Rick Schu needs to start.Identifying balls and strikes.We take way too many strike 3s

  348. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Sorry, Sofa, but I basically see the attack on people's use of contractions while trying to type furiously on a mobile device on every single forum that I read where things get heated at all. It is a form of an attack ad homineme. See, what the person says can't be "write" because they didn't bother to retype the whole thing with they're two index fingers….

  349. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    ha ah sofa yes indeed

  350. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    ALR thank you!!!!!

  351. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    Mick was wrong! And Mick is the happiest one of all that he was wrong! See, that is how it works.

  352. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    Adam LaRoche and his blazing speed….

  353. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    It's not the phones, man. They just don't know the difference. But that's a lost cause.

  354. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    First time I can exhale in a while! Thanks ALR!

  355. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    Pirates have no fundamentals. I predict they finish in 3rd place in there division.

  356. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    WODlol

  357. pedrocerrano - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    LOL pirates

  358. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Alphabet Soup Erik said… Ryan Zimmerman sucks.Yeah — I hate it when guys go 3-for-5 with a run scored and an RBI.

  359. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    How about Carlos Paula? And for slick fielding 1st basemen how about Julio Becquer?

  360. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    I'm greedy…how about 8-3?

  361. bowdenball - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    DC Wonk-Thank you for phrasing your "attack on negativity" better and more gently than I did. It's particularly galling during a weekday afternoon game, because there are a lot more people relying on this thread for information and insight about the game. At night you can just turn on Bob and FP or Charlie and Dave if you want to don't feel like being subjected to the venting of negative fans, but during a workday many people don't have that option.

  362. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    OK, we're out of tuck range. I'm good. My work is done here.You're welcome.

  363. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    NatsJack in Florida said… How about Carlos Paula? And for slick fielding 1st basemen how about Julio Becquer?I'm an old Mets fan.Keith Hernandez.

  364. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    Who brought up Paul Blair's name? Has nothing to do with this game.Even Curt Floid (who was better than Paul Blair) and played in DC is not needed in this thread.

  365. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    Okay NatsJack – you are pulling them from the index seriously…Carlos Paula got my grandmother into watching… She still talks about him today…

  366. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    Mrs. Gilligan done skooled me well on differences atween thar, thar, and thar….

  367. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    WODthat's good!

  368. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    And for slick fielding 1st basemen how about Julio Becquer?Babe Dahlgren. If you don't know Babe, I have no respect for the color of your drapes, the car you drive, or what you had for breakfast.

  369. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    bowdenball said… DC Wonk- Thank you for phrasing your "attack on negativity" better and more gently than I did.Well, thanks. I was wondering about that old adage (wrestle with the dogs, get fleas) . . . but I know, at least, that Mick has his heart in the right place. He lives and dies with the Nats. I'm happy to help him try to die less when we lose ;-)And so, for him, perhaps discussing it can help reduce some of the doom and gloom. Because…It's particularly galling during a weekday afternoon game, because there are a lot more people relying on this thread for information and insight about the game.Agreed. And that includes me, too. All I have is nationals.com and natsinsiders.com to follow the game.And so this was a rare time when I participated in an in-game thread. I figured, what the heck, perhaps everyone once in a while I'll get down in the gutter and call out the crap for what it is.

  370. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    Curt Flood operated under the Nats curse, as did Darold Knowles and Denny McClain. Flood left DC in the dark of night for Spain (not Span), never to returen….

  371. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    why not rest Soriano with double header coming up and let Clip finish?

  372. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Only Frank Howard, Eddie Yost, Mickey Vernon and maybe Killebrew and Pascual, were able to avoid the curse of the Nats and the younger Griffith and Bob Short….

  373. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    He needs the work. Who knows when he'll have a save chance next?

  374. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    Nope. I saw Carlos Paula play. I also saw Clint Courtney, Pete Runnels, Herb Plews, Jose Valdevialso, Harmon Killebrew, Roy Sievers and Jim Lemon all play at old Griffith Stadium. I can name the pitching staff as well. The starters were easy but Dick Hyde and Ted Abernathy were my favorites out of the bull pen.

  375. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    Just a game of inches. What a difference vs the last 6 games.

  376. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Braves lost!

  377. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Wasn't Abernathy, a lefty IICR, on the Cubs with Adolpho Phillips? I love it when a plan comes together.

  378. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    I would pitch Storen here. It is probably his last chance.

  379. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    How about Del Unser. He sort is like Span.

  380. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    Roy Sievers was pretty good. He had to fight for every $ after his big season….

  381. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    Dave and Charlie just bashing Mike Winters today on this K Zone.

  382. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    Abernathy was RH, but yes, '69 Cubs.

  383. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    Ted Abernathy! If this old guy remembers correctly — I think that's the first submarine pitcher I saw on TV. (Am I remembering correctly?)

  384. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    Chuck Hinton survived too.

  385. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Denard Span couldn't carry Del Unser's sock….

  386. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Come on Soriano. This is unacceptable. Throw strikes!

  387. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    I cant tell… someone watching – Has Desi been getting squeezed?Seems like the top of the SZ is being determined by flipping a quarter…

  388. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    I won't get worried until they have 3 guys on base.

  389. Sec. 1D 10T, My Sofa - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Ted Abernathy! If this old guy remembers correctly — I think that's the first submarine pitcher I saw on TV. (Am I remembering correctly?)OOOOH, that's why I was remembering him as a lefty! They used him as if he were, because of that. Good catch, Wonk.

  390. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    There you go

  391. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    OK, now I am worried.

  392. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    Uggh . . . I hate when we walk multiple batters in front of McCutchen.And perhaps Soriano needs some work in, so that if he's needed in a real save situation tomorrow he'll have the rust off?

  393. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    Wow Sori… Wow…

  394. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    Soriano lacks luster.

  395. JayB - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    Bowden. Taken third strikes with runners on base

  396. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    This goes from a laugher to a nailbiter after 2 walks.

  397. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    OOOOH, that's why I was remembering him as a lefty! They used him as if he were, because of that. Good catch, Wonk.I remember because when I played stickball with my friends, and we tried out all kinds of batting stances and pitching deliveries — I would throw a couple of submarines while announcing "here's Ted Abernathy!"

  398. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    No No Ghost – we got this… Sori needs the work…

  399. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Ghost Of Steve M. said… This goes from a laugher to a nailbiter after 2 walks.Silly me. I announced, after ALR's triple, that I was exhaling for the first time in a long time.Blame this all on me.

  400. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Only bull pen guy who has focused all year has been clip.

  401. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    What about Krol, MNF? I think he has been more solid than not…

  402. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:52 PM

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  403. Bill Lage - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    9th inning and Soriano in a non save situation…not a good idea. WHOOPS…now it's a save situation. Selfish pitching…

  404. Ghost Of Steve M. - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Now you have to weigh the situation with the lefty Alvarez on-deck.Hard to believe you may go to the lefty rookie for the Save.Get ready.

  405. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    Pitch 3 to R Martin looked like a K according to pitch track….

  406. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    JayB, what are you doing here? Did you read teh score incorrectly? The Nats are leading . . .

  407. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    I would switch Krol for Sori right here, myself… But that is just me…

  408. JD - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    Wow. Krol? what a spot?

  409. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    Been fine, but not here all season.

  410. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:54 PM

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  411. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    They did switch Sori for Krol…#nervous

  412. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    Another Rizzo signee….

  413. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    Wow . . . when was the last time Soriano didn't finish an inning when the Nats were leading?

  414. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    We lost a draft pick signing Soriano.

  415. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    I like this move no matter how it turns out.

  416. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    I did say when it was 4-3 that Nats needed more runs… I am just stunned

  417. JD - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    This is not a Davie move. Randy Knorr has some cajones.

  418. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Damn phone rang. Martin's 0-2 looked like a strike or did answering phone skew my vision?

  419. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    I also said why not keep Clip in, but in hind sight, its better Soriano pitched so we do not have to see him tomorrow.

  420. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    William O. Douglas Loeffler said… Another Rizzo signee….Yup — and he's got 25 saves. You gotta problem with that?

  421. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    JD – Yeah, I would have made the move… Didnt even realize they did it until Charlie and Dave said it…But I thought that pitch 3 to Martin should have been a K…

  422. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:58 PM

    and Krol was part of the Morse deal, I think?

  423. nats guy - Jul 25, 2013 at 7:59 PM

    Geez these guys can't do anything easily.

  424. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    He was the player to be named later

  425. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    mick said… and Krol was part of the Morse deal, I think?That's right. And the 22-year old has a WHIP of under 1.00

  426. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    MNFthats what I thought

  427. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:02 PM

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  428. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    I wouldnt let Krol face Harrison…

  429. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:03 PM

    A DC Wonk said…mick said…and Krol was part of the Morse deal, I think?That's right. And the 22-year old has a WHIP of under 1.00and that means NOTHING as this losing streak continues

  430. Tcostant - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR 7-7What the..

  431. pedrocerrano - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    MOAR FAIL

  432. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Yeah, because Saves are a meaningful statistic. Saves plus fifty cents will get you a cup of coffee….

  433. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    I bet I could find stats that were favorable on the garbage that played here in 2007-2009 as well

  434. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    Soriano has blown 3 games in ten days.

  435. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    this is game 5

  436. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    Gio thanks both soriano and krol.Focus lost by Soriano abd Krol.

  437. nats guy - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    Wow FUBAR.

  438. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    Ghost, you still here?

  439. Tcostant - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    Bleeding stopped for now. We need a run!!!

  440. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    WODBingo and to bring up 25 saves as some kind of justification when you need that player to step up is just incredible!!

  441. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    Believe it or not, we have still a much better chance of winning than losing, since we have 2 at bats left to their one….

  442. pedrocerrano - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    BAD

  443. pedrocerrano - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    NEWS

  444. JD - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    MrsB. That's why Krol and Abad aren't put in a high leverage situation.

  445. pedrocerrano - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    BEARS

  446. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    William O. Douglas Loeffler said… Yeah, because Saves are a meaningful statistic.OK, how about ERA+ of 161, one of the best on the team?

  447. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    Why the hell is Soriano walking tge first 2 batters.That is total of lack of focus.

  448. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    The walks didnt help JD… Walks hurt…

  449. jeffwx - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    Thank you Rizzoall your moves sucked

  450. pedrocerrano - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    3 PIT ABs > 6 WSH ABs

  451. jeffwx - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    Curse of the beastsign of the times

  452. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    Bingo and to bring up 25 saves as some kind of justification when you need that player to step up is just incredible!! No. I was defending the ridiculous intimation that he was a bad signing.

  453. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    This game becomes more than just trying to break a losing streak…a loss here and it is possible the Nats hits double digit losing streakI never would have imagine the Pirates tying this game upmaybe Hairston can make his FIRST contribution since he has been here?

  454. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    But as I said earlier… Krol got the lefty out and got 1 righty out…He shouldnt have had to face another righty…

  455. jeffwx - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    Quote of the dayMrsB loves the Nats said…No No Ghost – we got this… Sori needs the work…July 25, 2013 3:50 PM

  456. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. I hate relievers that won't throw strikes.

  457. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    Yeah Jeff – becuz i want my team to lose so imma hope and pray and rattle off that its over…

  458. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    jeffwx said… Thank you Rizzo all your moves suckedYeah . . . like getting Gio, drafting injury-prone Rendon . . . the list goes on and on . . .

  459. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    Bingo NJ – Walks hurt…

  460. jeffwx - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    from 1st to lastAlthough, I agreed with Mrs. B,Who wouldn't have thought we got this at 20 mins ago

  461. SCNatsFan - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    This is just a team with no confidence; blame it on game 5, blame it on cushy spring training, blame it on Morse leaving, it doesn't matter; this is a team accustomed to losing. It is like they forgot how to win.

  462. jeffwx - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    Rizzo is a great scout but a terrible trader, Wonk

  463. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Hairston is worse than Tracy.

  464. jeffwx - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    another lessonNever say no to a ghost

  465. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Mick, I posted something for you earlier on another thread, but maybe we are the 1971 Reds or the 1970 Mets, who both made it back to the World Series after disappointing follow-ups to 100 win years….

  466. David Proctor - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Hairston keeps getting placed in situations to fail instead of succeed. He does not hit right handers, but we keep putting him in against them. He hits lefties ONLY.

  467. alexva - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Jack, our best reliever has been Clippard and he has the highest walk rate of all. its all about making pitches when needed.

  468. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    jeffwx said… from 1st to lastFrom two 100+ loss seasons to 1st.

  469. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    Why Hairston faces a RHP… Idk…

  470. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    ERA does not work well for relievers, to begin with, because of the rules and the way rules are apportioned in the late innings. Soriano has blown way too many games this year. It is a story when Kimbrel or Rivera blow a save. It is just due course for us.

  471. Manassas Nats' Fan - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Harper my boy

  472. DJB - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Just tuned in to see the game-tying hit. I think Game 5 and the whole Strasburg shutdown has done a number on this team. We need to re-boot. We're not good, but we're not this bad. We need new management from Rizzo on down and to move a good portion of the core. It is the core that chokes, they need to be moved. Then, maybe, in a few years the baseball gods will shine on us once again.

  473. pedrocerrano - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    If I'm not mistaken, we are 2-11 since acquiring Scott Hairston

  474. jeffwx - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Yes, I agree great scout, but terrible trader, Wonk.

  475. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    And that's one of the reasons to put Harper lead-off. To get him the most at bats

  476. Tcostant - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    And you know what, I'm glad Soriano got yanked, because they is no doubt in my mind we would have lost already if he was allowed to stay in.I think Soriano might need the Trevor Hoffman treatment and see no action unless a save can be had. He is useless otherwise…

  477. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    Bryce as a lead-off man.

  478. mick - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    WOD I saw that thank youand thank you Bryce

  479. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    THAT IS WHAT WAS NEEDED!!!!!!!!

  480. MrsB loves the Nats - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    So I guess we did have this… Good going Nats..Made it unnecessarily exciting…Is this a Sweet Fancy Moses moment?

  481. Tcostant - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    Harper homers to win the game – thank you!!!

  482. pedrocerrano - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    BRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYCCCCCCCEEEEEEE You dog you!

  483. jeffwx - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    WODL and Mick and the LOD are prophets

  484. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    Almost 4 hours of torture….

  485. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    So Krol gets the win? That must be like getting a save, another meaningless stat…..

  486. jeffwx - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    God Bless Bryce….I turned the radio off but get all the news I need from this blog

  487. JD - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:19 PM

    MRS.B Hairston hit because there were no left handed hitters left on the bench.

  488. VP81955 - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    First walk-off homer this year!

  489. jeffwx - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Excuse me,Higher Power, Bless Bryce

  490. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    jeffwx said… Yes, I agree great scout, but terrible trader, Wonk.Remind me . . . how did we get Gio again?And Ramos?

  491. JD - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    IDK, This was a walk off but there was so much wrong in this win it's hard to expect continuity but one can hope.

  492. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    … and Krol. And AJ Cole.

  493. NatsJack in Florida - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    Alexva…. I didn't say anything about walks…. I said I hate relievers that don't throw strikes.There is a difference.

  494. A DC Wonk - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    JD said… IDK, This was a walk off but there was so much wrong in this win it's hard to expect continuity but one can hope.Baby steps, baby steps, . . . We did get 14 hits. We keep hitting like that, the wins will come.

  495. DJB - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    DC Wonk,I think they did a study that showed that the 2nd in the order gets the most bats during the average game. I would move him there, just as an experiment. What does it matter at this point? I see Bryce, Rendon, Gio and Stras (and possibly Jordan Zimm, but I would still look at deals) as the young core to retain, assuming no more injuries. All the rest should be on the trading block.

  496. William O. Douglas Loeffler - Jul 25, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    I don't think it is mathematically possible for the 2nd in the order to get the most plate appearances.

  497. DJB - Jul 25, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    You know, WODL, that has to be true. Maybe it has something to due with the possibility of driving in the most runs.

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