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Instant analysis: Nats 8, Phillies 5

Aug 11, 2013, 1:57 AM EST

Associated Press

Game in a nutshell: This one didn't get off to a rousing start from the Nationals' perspective. The Phillies pounced on Taylor Jordan for four runs in the second inning, and the Nationals couldn't get anything going against Cliff Lee early on. But they kept chipping away at the left-hander, scoring twice in the fourth and once more in the sixth to get to Philadelphia's suspect bullpen. Then they really went to work, blasting Jake Diekman and Zach Miner for five runs in the bottom of the seventh, with Bryce Harper notching the tying run on a squeeze bunt and Jayson Werth's putting the Nationals ahead with a two-run homer. Tanner Roark churned out two scoreless innings of relief to earn his first career win. Rafael Soriano then finished it in the ninth, giving the Nationals their second straight win and their first this season when they trailed by at least four runs.

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  1. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Aug 11, 2013 at 1:59 AM

    Brooms out tomorrow! Let's sweep these bums.

  2. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:00 AM

    ,2nd of 20 game win streak.

  3. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:01 AM

    The Nats like playing the part of the underdog.

  4. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:01 AM

    Down 3-0 to Cliff Lee and coming back like that is sweet.I still will not get excited until the Nats are 3 games over. 500.

  5. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:01 AM

    Harper gatoraided. werth

  6. David Proctor - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:02 AM

    Ghost, you heard Davey yesterday. He said "Well, everybody's written us off. I Guess we have to prove them wrong." Maybe the team likes being the underdog a lot better than the team expected to do great things.Of course, it's 2 games against a bad team. But fun to watch nonetheless.

  7. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:02 AM

    Ghost Of Steve M. said… The Nats like playing the part of the underdog. Excellent point, Ghost.Wild card or bust.

  8. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    NJ, actually down 4-0. Lombo walk and steawas huge.l

  9. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:04 AM

    Bad team? Wassem told us Phillirs are the real second place team.

  10. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:05 AM

    I predict a pie for Roark here…

  11. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:08 AM

    This game felt like 2012. Taylor Jordan kept the lead from getting out of hand then they chipped away. Every player contributed. Roark, clutch. Ramos, clutch. Rendon, clutch. Werth, star!

  12. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:09 AM

    Reds lose.

  13. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:10 AM

    Yep, Ghost. Wait till you see Robbie Ray. He is better than Matt Purke, no matter what your scouts tell you.

  14. djinFl. - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:12 AM

    I hope sjm308 enjoys his extended stay overseas.

  15. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    LOL, Purke and Giolito are Ace prospects. Robbie Ray and AJ Cole are up there. None of them are sure things and if you tell me Ray is ahead I'm taking your word on it.

  16. NatsJack in Florida - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:16 AM

    Back in late June, I said Tanner Roark was closemThe Nats have a system that will produce at least 2 major league arms every year.

  17. David Proctor - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:17 AM

    Someone in another thread talked about extending JZimm and made a case that we shouldn't extend him. I was thinking about it I tend to agree. JZimm will be on the wrong side of 30, he's going to want to be paid as an ace, and we have guys like Cole and maybe Giolito who should be ready then. It doesn't really make much sense to extend him, in my opinion.And he made it clear in his quote today that he wants to get paid.

  18. natsfan1a - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:19 AM

    I missed the early innings and happened to tune in just as the Nats scoring started. Niice. And, yeah, I untucked. Congrats to Jayson (nice shower, Bryce). Great win.Have a nice, long trip, sjm. :-)Gotta go, cat on keyboard.

  19. Steady Eddie - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:21 AM

    Ghost, just coming back from the game, and that was exactly I told my wife after the seventh — that this was the first game I've been to (out of about two dozen) since the White Sox series that felt like the 2012 team. Sure it was against a lousy team. But they've got a lot of games left against the Phil's, Mets, and Marlins. At least they can and need to establish themselves as a team that can win consistently against teams they should beat. One game at a time.

  20. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:23 AM

    4 year would ne fine that takes him to age 31

  21. Faraz Shaikh - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    I do not understand this team but I enjoyed last two wins.

  22. Dan! - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    Why is the game time 5:05 tomorrow?

  23. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    NatsJack, what I like is the raw talent of these arms and they seem willing to learn and refine and add to their repertoire.We better hope the Nats have their 5 and keep Ohlendorf as your long man and insurance. Then Rizzo can spend the dough on JZim and Desi and a 4th OF who's a RH and slide RZim to 1st and beef up the bench!

  24. David Proctor - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    He doesn't become a free agent for 2 more years though. So if we extend him for 5 years (pretty standard), it'd be in his 30s. Not necessarily bad, pitchers can pitch in their early 30s. It's more the cost-benefit. If he wants to be paid like an ace, I think he can be replaced in-house.

  25. TimDz - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:26 AM

    NatsJack….regarding the "system…."Is that a result of good scouting, development or a bit of both….

  26. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    Davey wants to watch the PGA.ORThey want Stras' fastball to get lost in the shadows.

  27. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    Either way Rizzo would get credit for hiering the right people, so it must be neither.

  28. Eugene in Oregon - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    Much as I wrote yesterday, this is the kind of game I had expected all season. At least in the sense of being able to overcome some iffy pitching (which is a part of any season for any team) with some timely, come-from-behind hitting. I know it's just two games, but I like the approach/effort I'm seeing on the field. Keep it up, Nats, please. Make the last six weeks enjoyable for all.

  29. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:32 AM

    Extending 5 years after next year takes him to ,33, so i would extend this year to 32

  30. paul brandt - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    Folks, we have won 2, I repeat 2 in a row, stop all the WC card and sjm being stranded in Europe talk!!! hope we do run off 16 more and we all need to pitch in for sjm to change his ticket but nothing this team has shown any of us leads me to believe that is a possibility.p.s. hope I am wrong!!

  31. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:35 AM

    Dodgers have won 36 of last 44. I want to see the same.

  32. paul brandt - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:35 AM

    MNF, wow, re. Dodgers that's impressive.

  33. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:36 AM

    TimDz, absolutely both. Strasburg has been the only arm that was Draft ready. All the others have been a mix.Harper and Rendon were ready like Strasburg. Unfortunately the Nats aren't as good at developing position players.That has to change. Desi I think was developed by Davey and not the system. Let's see what happens with Espinosa.

  34. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    If we get hot we could match that.

  35. David Proctor - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:38 AM

    If you really want to go back (obviously before Rizzo), Ryan Zimmerman developed very quickly. Was he draft ready as well?

  36. djinFl. - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:39 AM

    Fish win! So much for the Waffle House streak.

  37. David Proctor - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:39 AM

    @masnKerr: Werth said authenticator wanted his bat. Werth said put the sticker on it and give it back

  38. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    David, RZim was ready with the glove and was great at working with Frank Robinson on adjustments. His situation is very unique and much of it was his quick signing and maturity. 2 months total in the Minors is rare.

  39. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    I'm with pb and Jack…win more than you've lost, we'll talk.

  40. Faraz Shaikh - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:44 AM

    what a win by Fish! I mean Nathan almost no-hit braves. and that one run was scored on a wild pitch.

  41. Faraz Shaikh - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:46 AM

    I think his bat was considered ready. that draft was insane. I believe all of Tulo, Braun, Gordon, JUp came from that.

  42. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:48 AM

    Post of the day goes to Manassas, for explaining why there's a 5:05 start Sunday: Manassas Nats' Fan said… Davey wants to watch the PGA.ORThey want Stras' fastball to get lost in the shadows.

  43. Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 AM

    Reds lose. Eight games back in WC.Yeah, I'm scoreboard-watching.

  44. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 11, 2013 at 2:59 AM

    The fact is that outside of Ian Desmond who was a 3rd rounder, the Nats haven't home grown any star position players other than those Top 6 1st round picks they had (RZim, Harper, Rendon).The team has to improve and its with the bats and not the gloves with these position players.

  45. David Proctor - Aug 11, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    Steve M, what do you think of the kid they drafted this year? Drew Ward. I heard a lot of great things about him, but I don't know how he's looked so far.

  46. A DC Wonk - Aug 11, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    Harper and Rendon were ready like Strasburg. Unfortunately the Nats aren't as good at developing position players.Is it that, or is it who the Nats draft. The Nats' game plan from the start was to focus on pitching pitching pitching.The point being: I think that the minors have had more pitching raw talent than positions players.

  47. Manassas Nats' Fan - Aug 11, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    Jacoby Elsberry and Jay Bruce also first rounders

  48. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 11, 2013 at 3:35 AM

    David, i know his athleticism was rated excellent. Good raw tools and needs to learn by getting reps.

  49. Ghost Of Steve M. - Aug 11, 2013 at 3:40 AM

    DC Wonk, yes, that is part of it but you still hope to turn more than they have done in 8 years. Goodwin is a very important prospect in the system.

  50. SonnyG10 - Aug 11, 2013 at 3:49 AM

    The Nats tonight really did look like the 2012 Nats. That was fun to watch. For some reason I had a good feeling about the game even when we were down 0 to 4.

  51. SonnyG10 - Aug 11, 2013 at 3:51 AM

    I have been trepid about JZimm playing hardball on the money issue, but with what we've got coming, maybe he won't make the team in a couple of years.

  52. jw - Aug 11, 2013 at 4:04 AM

    Who's JZimm's agent? To me, it sounds like his agent told him to avoid saying something that would weaken his negotiating position. Asking for something fair and saying that he won't give a huge hometown discount seems very reasonable at this point. If nothing else, he knows that the Nats have come to terms with Boras on several occasions. That's a pretty good indication that the Nats are willing to negotiate with someone who isn't noted for settling for discounts for his clients."I like it here. Obviously, it's the only place that I know. It would be nice to stay long term, but it has to be something fair. I'm just not going to do a team-friendly deal just to stay here long term. If it's a fair deal, then obviously, we'll definitely think about it. But I'm not going to give a huge team discount. Just something fair is all I ask."

  53. MicheleS - Aug 11, 2013 at 4:15 AM

    WOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO!!! Had a great time at the game.. reminds me of last year. God the Phillies pen is bad!!! LOVE IT!

  54. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Aug 11, 2013 at 5:55 AM

    "Harper and Rendon were ready like Strasburg. Unfortunately the Nats aren't as good at developing position players."Is it that, or is it who the Nats draft[?] The Nats' game plan from the start was to focus on pitching pitching pitching.Pitchers get traded for position players. It's not compared to perfect, it's compared to the alternative. How do the Nats rank compared to the rest of MLB in developing position players since 2008?

  55. Sec. 3, My Sofa - Aug 11, 2013 at 6:07 AM

    Keeping in mind that pretty much everyone who was any good at all got fast-tracked to the the majors for the first four years or so?

  56. natsfan1a - Aug 11, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    That's (the stranding talk) a joke, son. I say, that's a joke. :-)Folks, we have won 2, I repeat 2 in a row, stop all the WC card and sjm being stranded in Europe talk!!!

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