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The Baseball Show: Harper playing through injury

Sep 6, 2013, 12:17 PM EDT

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In his weekly sitdown with Mark on Wednesday, Bryce Harper gave a bit more detail as to the pain he’s been playing through over the course of this season. He’s hinted at the fact he hasn’t been the same since April, but now the revelation of a hip injury has surfaced and it’s become clear Harper isn’t 100 percent.

With Harper hurting, sometimes clearly hobbled running the bases or at the plate, it begs the question of whether he is helping the Nats by being in the lineup. Is Harper, who’s not playing at his full capabilities, better than the next guy up?

On last night’s The Baseball Show, Mark, Rob Carlin and Jim Duquette discussed this very topic and whether Harper should get more days of rest moving forward to keep him fresh:

  1. TimDz - Sep 6, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Is he hurt or injured?
    There’s a difference…
    If this is just a “needs rest” issue, shut him down once the Nats are officially eliminated…
    If this is an injury, shut him down and get him treatment immediately…

  2. Section 222 - Sep 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    Good stuff on how the changeups of the Nats pitchers stack up against each other. Not surprising, Stras’s is the most effective.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/09/06/measuring-change-ups/

  3. Section 222 - Sep 6, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    I would be interested in seeing Nats stats for 3 intervals; opening day to the day Werth joined in June, from that day to Eckstein firing, and from there to now. For last two intervals, I want to see it with and without Werth’s stats included in team stats. I am hoping these cutoffs are more meaningful.

    This request is from a previous post. B-R was giving me trouble for a bit, but this is fairly easy to do, at least for the whole team. Just go to Game Logs:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/tgl.cgi?team=WSN&t=b&year=2013

    Werth’s numbers are shown as well, but subtracting them from the team would have to be done manually and that’s not a task I’m willing to undertake:

    So here are the numbers for the three periods.

    O.D. through June 2 (the last game before Werth came off the DL):
    57 games, .229/.287/.371/.658
    Werth: 27 games, .260/.308/.400/.708

    June 4 through July 21 (the last game before Schu took over at hitting coach)
    41 games, .256/.317/.399/.716
    Werth: 40 games, .322/.400/.538/.938

    July 22 to present (the Schu era)
    41 games! .273/.340/.422/.762
    Werth: 40 games, .362/.449/.596/1.045 (Holy Crap!)

    Just remember, correlation does not equal causation. Still, kind of interesting.

  4. Sec 3, My Sofa - Sep 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    it begs the question of whether he is helping the Nats by being in the lineup.

    No, it doesn’t. It does no such thing. Sitting him on the off chance he’s hurt might do that. But playing does just the opposite.

    • Section 222 - Sep 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

      Thank you Sofa. I go back and forth between wishing people would learn the correct usage of “beg the question” and wishing the expression would just be banned because it’s hopeless to expect they will.

      • Sec 3, My Sofa - Sep 6, 2013 at 2:35 PM

        Well, it’s a lost cause, really, but I figure professional journalists, at least, should know better.

        One of my favorite Style Guide entries was from the old UPI style book:

        Burro/Burrow: One is an ass. The other is a hole in the ground. As professional journalists, you are expected to know the difference.”

        The whole “than/then” confusion thing has taken over the top spot, for me, lately.

        Ironically, it’s my job to delete sanctimonious screeds. Yes, that’s right: I have a niche, I scratch cant.

      • laddieblahblah - Sep 7, 2013 at 6:07 AM

        Please. “Begging the question” has come to mean “raising the question” or “raising the issue” through common usage, which is all that matters. I haven’t seen or read of anyone who used it in the Aristotelian sense since Aristotle.

        It is common usage which defines what a word or a phrase means, not something that was argued over 2,000 years ago in a completely different context. That is why “cleave” evolved to mean both “split into two” and “cling together.” Contradictory meanings for the same word, but both are in the dictionary because common usage dictates that the same word has come to be accepted as having two completely different and opposite meanings.

        Relax, Chase. Your usage was the one most commonly used nowadays, and, therefore, is perfectly acceptable in a journalistic setting. This is not the place for scholastic hair-splitting. Take the BS someplace else.

      • Section 222 - Sep 7, 2013 at 10:27 AM

        blahblahblah.

  5. Theophilus T.S. - Sep 6, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    MsB — something you said earlier about “too many 3-0″ swings . . .. In addition, I am dismayed by the no. of 0-0 swings at pitches that were out of the zone or inevitably predestined by the hand of Almighty God — if anyone is a Presbyterian — to be rolled over to the SS. Desmond is unquestionably the worst offender. What’s the harm of looking to see if the pitcher can throw strikes before looking to go long-balling?

    As to Sec. 222’s useful effort to derive hitting statistics reflecting in-seas on milestones, Opening Day to June 4 is abysmal and statistically improbable, i.e., Astros quality. Not saying, however, that those nos. were just bad luck. (And not to mention that included a (relatively) hot two first weeks. June 4 – July 21 is, as the stat heads say, a regression towards something more closely resembling the norm but still not good enough to contend for a championship. Keep in mind this includes the 2-3 week period when Rendon was tearing the cover off the ball and, concurrently, Espinosa was no longer filling the stat sheet w/ Ks. July 21 coincides with the Schu appointment but also with, essentially, the substitution of Ramos for Suzuki (worth 70 or so points of BA) and the acceleration of Werth from steady to torrid. While this team might over the course of a full season contend for at least a division championship there are still several players, e.g., Harper, Zimmerman, LaRoche, who are, due to injuries, age and/or mysterious miasmas, performing at lower levels than could reasonably have been expected.

    Conclusion: Whatever positive effects Schu might have had they haven’t been universal across the lineup. The players themselves are responsible.

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