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Game 16: Cardinals at Nats

Apr 17, 2014, 3:06 PM EDT

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Coming off a series win over the Miami Marlins, the Nationals now return home for an 11-game homestand beginning with four against the defending NL champion St. Louis Cardinals. Adam Wainwright (2-1, 2.25) will pitch the first game with Michael Wacha set for Game 2. Needless to say, the Nationals’ makeshift lineup will have its work cut out for them over the next two nights.

Wainwright enters today with 12 career starts against the Nationals. He is 6-3 all time against Washington with a 3.17 ERA and 64 strikeouts in 65 1/3 innings. He faced the Nats twice in 2013, allowing three earned runs across 15 1/3 innings.

Taylor Jordan (0-1, 4.76) will pitch for the Nationals as he tries to bounce back from an ugly outing down in Atlanta on April 12. Jordan gave up five earned runs in five innings, including four in the first inning alone. He has never faced the Cardinals before.

Stay tuned for updates throughout the game…

ST. LOUIS CARDINALS VS. WASHINGTON NATIONALS
Where:
 Nationals Park
Gametime: 7:05 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN, MLB Network, MLB.tv
Radio: 106.7 FM, XM 869, MLB.com
Weather: Indoors

NATIONALS
3B Anthony Rendon
LF Bryce Harper
RF Jayson Werth
1B Adam LaRoche
SS Ian Desmond
2B Danny Espinosa
CF Nate McLouth
C Jose Lobaton
RHP Taylor Jordan

CARDINALS
3B Matt Carpenter
2B Kolten Wong
LF Matt Holliday
1B Matt Adams
C Yadier Molina
RF Allen Craig
SS Jhonny Peralta
CF Jon Jay
RHP Adam Wainwright

UMPIRES
HP Bill Miller (cc)
1B Vic Carapazza
2B Adam Hamari
3B Greg Gibson

7:06 p.m. — Mark here, just in time for Taylor Jordan’s first pitch of the night to Matt Carpenter. It’s an October-like 49 degrees right now, with the wind blowing in from right field.

7:21 p.m. — Not the way the Nats wanted this one to start. Though it’s been the way too many games have started this season. The Cardinals scored three runs in the top of the first, one of them unearned because of Ian Desmond’s sixth error in 16 games. Jordan also misplayed a bunt, though it was scored a hit. Matt Holliday’s double and Yadier Molina’s RBI single brought the runs home. This is, incredibly, already the seventh time this season the Nats have given up at least three runs in the game’s first three innings. That’s just not something that can continue to happen on a regular basis. 3-0 St. Louis as we go to the bottom of the first.

7:36 p.m. — Jordan settled himself down in the second, pitching around a leadoff single by Jon Jay to otherwise keep the Cards off the bases. He has retired five of the last six batters he has faced. But obviously he has almost zero margin for mistake now, unless his teammates suddenly put a pounding on Adam Wainwright, who mowed down the top of the Nats’ order in the bottom of the first.

7:50 p.m. — The good news: The Nats loaded the bases in the bottom of the second. The bad news: That brought Jordan to the plate with two outs. Tough to ask him to deliver in that spot. So it remains 3-0 after two.

8:19 p.m. — And the “transfer” rule strikes again. Espinosa appeared to cleanly catch Desmond’s feed on a double-play attempt, pulled the ball out of his glove and raised his right arm up to throw to first base … when the ball fell out. For the last 100 years, that was an out and nobody would have questioned the call for even a fraction of a second. But MLB this season decided to enforce that rule, insisting the catch is not complete until the fielder has gone through the entire act of throwing the ball. MLB has made plenty of bad decisions over the years, but this one ranks right near the top. There isn’t anybody in the game who is happy about this right now. Certainly not the Nats, who now trail 4-0 because of it.

8:41 p.m. — Wainwright, meanwhile, is looking like a man on a mission tonight. He has allowed only one of the last 13 batters he has faced reach base safely. And that came on an intentional walk. So, yeah, he’s dialed in right now. Still 4-0 after five.

9:05 p.m. — And the wheels have officially fallen off. It’s 7-0 Cards after a disastrous top of the sixth that saw Jordan hit Jay, allow an infield single to Wainwright when Desmond couldn’t pull the trigger on a fairly routine throw from deep shortstop and then a sequence involving Blake Treinen and Jose Lobaton that could only be described as a “goat rodeo.” Good lord, this one has been ugly.

9:23 p.m. — Make it 8-0 after another run allowed by Treinen in the seventh. Truth be told, it could be more, but Cardinals third base coach Jose Oquendo is doing his best not to run up the score right now, holding every runner at third base for fear of looking like he’s trying to rub it in. Yeah, that’s the way this one is going.

9:29 p.m. — It it fairly remarkable how Wainwright seizes complete control of a ballgame. It’s like the moment his teammates gave him a comfortable lead, he said: “OK, boys. I’ll take it from here.” He has been lights-out since, allowing only one hit (Desmond’s infield chopper) through seven scoreless innings.

9:40 p.m. — Hey, it’s another Nats error! This time Werth completely missed a lopping liner to his right. He might have lost it in the lights. Even so, it was just another ugly moment in a game full of them. Get this: The Nats have now committed 20 errors in 16 games this season. I’m pretty sure even the 2008-09 Nats never did that.

10:10 p.m. — Wainwright just doubled to deep left to open the top of the ninth. He arguably has had five productive plate appearances tonight. Which is about three more than the entire Nats lineup has against him. Still 8-0 as we go to the bottom of the ninth and Wainwright goes for the 1-hit shutout.

10:16 p.m. — And that will wrap up the ugliest game of the year. Possibly the ugliest game in Nats history. Which is really saying something. Final: 8-0 as Wainwright throws a 2-hitter. Will be curious what Matt Williams has to say after this one.

227 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. voteforno6 - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    Judging by the weather forecast above, it looks like maybe the Lerners did get that roof after all.

    • nats106 - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:46 PM

      Well I’m glad I’m going tonight. If it is indoors it should be a little warmer than outside.

      Wait-I wonder if it got moved to the Verizon center?

  2. Doc - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:16 PM

    Hey, sportsfans it’s the middle of April and Espi has 5 doubles, and 40% fewer K’s.

    The kid is on his way back!!!!

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:28 PM

      I hope he keeps it up. The team likes having multiple bullets

    • NatsNut - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:03 PM

      LIKE

  3. Doc - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:18 PM

    Indoor weather in the outdoors—a new way of forecasting!

  4. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:27 PM

    Ben Revere knocks in a run in the bottom of the 8th Phoolies lead 1-0

  5. David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    Braves lose.

    • adcwonk - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:06 PM

      Sheesh — that Braves pitching is unreal. I can’t wait until they come back to earth.

      Even though they lost, Wood became the 10th Braves starter in the first 15 games this year to allow one run or none. Stratospheric.

  6. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    Palpabon gets Freeman to fly out k Justin Upton and Kelly Johnson. 1-0 win for Phoolies

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:38 PM

      I watch that game David now watching Seattle @ Texas

  7. Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:38 PM

    Alas, school will keep me from posting tonight… wont get home until 8. Recording the game so I can see it from the beginning.

    Will check back later on the Instant Analysis…

    Here’s to a Nats win!

    Go Nats!!!

  8. sunshinebobby - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    GYFNG!!

  9. secretwasianman - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:46 PM

    This is big series. 2 wins is a must. 3 would be great.

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:53 PM

      Most important is play relax. This is another team they play tight against.

      • NatsNut - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:05 PM

        And as fans, listen/watch relaxed. =)

    • bowdenball - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:21 PM

      Yes, 2 wins this series is a MUST. An absolute must, I tell you. If the Nats go 1-3 and conclude the series a pathetic 10-9 on the season, they might as well not play the other 143 games. Zimmerman should probably just rest and rehab that thumb for spring training 2015. Same goes for Ramos and that wrist. And lord knows we should probably protect Harper from himself and shelve him until next season too.

      If they do go 1-3 or worse, please leave your email addresses below and I’ll get in touch with you about returning any tickets you may hold to the now irrelevant remaining 71 home games. I’ll give you a dollar each for them, and will arrange for postage. Best offer you’re gonna get.

      • snerdblurter - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:39 PM

        Hyperbolize much?

        If not, I hope that scenario also includes you not posting for the remaining 143…

      • bowdenball - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:51 PM

        I honestly don’t know if you’re accusing me or the person who actually said 2 wins was a “must” of hyperbole. My post was just a little light-hearted satire. I get a little tired of these overly dramatic declarations in mid-April.

        My point is this: short of season-ending injuries to several key players, there is no result over the next four days that spells certain success or doom for this year’s Nats. Even if you believe that the Nats need to show they can beat the league’s best teams in order to succeed they still have another series against these very Cardinals as well as many more games against the Braves and Dodgers to do just that.

      • Section 222 - Apr 17, 2014 at 5:13 PM

        Hee hee. Well done. Strangely, even if the Nats lose 3 out of 4, people will go see the Nats play. So all those $1 tickets will bring in a tidy profit.

      • snerdblurter - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:02 PM

        My apologies – the1st paragraph seemed like pretty good satire but the 2nd paragraph made me think you were serious.

      • Eric - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:07 PM

        I agree it’s not the end of the world if they don’t at least split this series; however, I would love to see them start doing well against good NL teams sooner than later, especially the Cards and Braves. We’ve been at their mercy (actually, more like our own in many respects) for too long now.

  10. secretwasianman - Apr 17, 2014 at 3:51 PM

    Nats have lost 8 straight to the cards. Oy vey. Time to turn this around

    • Eric - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:08 PM

      I believe it’s 7 straight (including Game 5), but still.

    • adcwonk - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:11 PM

      Agreed, although turning it around starting tomorrow might be easier!

      OTOH, rookie Jordan against two-time all-star Wainwright, who led the league in wins, complete games, shutouts, innings pitched — and top 10 in NL in WAR, ERA, WHIP, K’s, 2d lowest BB/IP. . . . We have the reverse lock! ;-)

      • jd - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:29 PM

        Wonk,

        I had the same thought about the Braves pitching as you. Going back a couple of years it seems everyone they bring up or acquire, starter or reliever outperforms their expected trajectory. You have to assume that their pitching coach is really good. At the same time I don’t see that same performance improvements with the Nats pitching staff. I guess you can point to Clippard and JZim as success stories but what about Storen and Strasbourg and Gio? are they getting better and better? I don’t know.

        Another thing that bugs me is the fact that (especially against the Braves) we don’t manage the innings very well. When Kerrigan was the Expos pitching coach he spoke volumes about how a pitcher should pick his poison when maneuvering through a lineup. Against the Braves we let Freeman and Justin beat us time and time again where I would have gone after Uggla and Gattis and Johnson and BJ and Heyward.

        I guess I am not sold on Mc.Catty.

      • adcwonk - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:42 PM

        The Braves have a deep and strong farm system. The Nats have, just recently, mostly recovered from a farm system that died on the vine of neglect when MLB owned the team, and Luria before that. Rizzo has done an excellent job of beefing it up (as well as trading three prospects for Gio, which I think was a good trade for both teams).

        Jordan and Roark seemed to have come out of nowhere and are doing decently. Same with Barrett, Blevins, and Treinin. Storen fell off last year, but has looked pretty good this year. Stras pitched really well last year, but gets a bum rap anyway.

        And while the Braves had a better ERA than the Nats last year, the Nats had a better ERA in 2012. Not bad for a team that had a *team* ERA of over 5.00 just a couple of years ago

      • jd - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM

        Wonk,

        My point is that when Maholm got to the Braves he pitched better than he had before. Medlen, Beechy Minor were all rated as middling to above average prospects but they all pitched very well in Atlanta. Similarly, guys like Carpenter and Avilan and Varvaro have come out of nowhere to star in Atlanta.

        I am not questioning Rizzo’s acquisition and scouting of pitching tlent. I am questioning what Mc.Catty does with it once he gets it.

      • ehay2k - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM

        And Medlen and Beechy are off to get their second TJ surgery. Perhaps the Barves’ “development” methods have a price?

      • adcwonk - Apr 17, 2014 at 5:01 PM

        But (this question is out of ignorance) aren’t a number of guys I just mentioned better than they were previously: Barrett, Jordan, Roark, etc.?

      • jd - Apr 17, 2014 at 5:01 PM

        ehay2k,

        I wouldn’t go there. We’ve had our share of TJ ‘grads’ in our system as well. Unfortunately pitching is hell on your elbow and we can see that all across the majors.

  11. David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:08 PM

    With Jordan going tonight, I don’t like our chances. I think our odds are more favorable later in the series.

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:14 PM

      How’d you feel yesterday? :)

      Keep feeling that way!

      • David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:19 PM

        Indeed, can’t predict baseball.

      • adcwonk - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:30 PM

        yesterday was the reverse lock, too! ;-)

  12. David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    MW says Fister should be back in about 20 days.

    • jd - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:31 PM

      That’s good news.

    • Steady Eddie - Apr 17, 2014 at 4:49 PM

      That’s about May 7, last game of the series with the Dodgers. Anyone for a 1:05 Wednesday game start time?

      That hopefully will be great to get him back for the last game of what certainly looks like a tough series.

  13. jd - Apr 17, 2014 at 5:04 PM

    BTW,

    It’s good to see Harper back in the lineup.

  14. sjm308 - Apr 17, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    From the last post (or maybe two?)
    Eric: thanks a bunch,!!
    We have stops in Turin & Bologna – will try and do important research for you

    Go Nats!

    • Eric - Apr 17, 2014 at 5:50 PM

      Looking forward to it!

  15. NatsNut - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:10 PM

    Fist and second, no outs. Fasten your seatbelts folks. Here we go.

    • NatsLady - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:16 PM

      Here we went.

      • NatsNut - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:58 PM

        I didn’t even have time to buckle and I got a bad case of whiplash.

  16. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:15 PM

    How did they not give Jordan an error?

  17. Danny - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:16 PM

    Good job men

  18. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:17 PM

    Again multiple runs in the first. Jordan doesn’t play like he wants to hang around after Foster returns

  19. snerdblurter - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:18 PM

    Definitely should’ve been an error to TJ.

    Side note – do runs scored due to a fielding error by the pitcher count as earned? One of those things I’ve always wondered but never bothered to look up…

    • Exposremains - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:20 PM

      No they don’t, which makes no sense to me.

      • Eric - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:21 PM

        Survey (Yahoo answers) says: no.

        https://answers.yahoo.com/question/?qid=20080425124638AAxfghj

      • NatsLady - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:22 PM

        The theory is that “earned runs” reflect the pitcher’s performance as a pitcher, not a fielder.

      • Eric - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:22 PM

        Sorry, meant to hit reply to snerd.

      • Exposremains - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:25 PM

        Good explanation Natslady, never saw it that way

    • Eric - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:20 PM

      I’ve wondered the same thing…

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:21 PM

      Error is an error doesn’t matter who. However a quirk has run scoring on pass ball unearned wild pitch earned. So you would think an E1 would be the same.

      Because the Wang was called a hit I am guessing only 1 unearned

  20. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:19 PM

    Really 2 errors. When you can’t get ball out of your glove it is an error. He gets it out and it is any easy out.

  21. NatsLady - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:20 PM

    That is one difference between Jordan and Roarke.All those years in the minors, Roarke gets that runner.

    • Eric - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:24 PM

      Except Roark had an error last night…

  22. Exposremains - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:21 PM

    I guess we cant pin the mistakes all on Davey anymore.

    • NatsLady - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:23 PM

      Never did. All that about “country club” spring training was a lot of hooey. Davey had other issues, later in the season, IMO.

      • Exposremains - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:27 PM

        Many did, just a general comment.

  23. Ghost of Steve M. - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:22 PM

    Deja vous all over again.

  24. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:23 PM

    Who is responsible as the fielding coach? Obviously they don’t always prepare

    • knoxvillenat - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:39 PM

      Terrible defense, and I’m told that many of the Nationals hate taking infield before the games because they think they don’t need it or they complain about being too tired. I can understand not taking infield on a day after you have traveled but really, can’t take some practice (30 minutes or so) 2 or 3 times a week?

  25. NatsLady - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:24 PM

    Nats like to play with 3 or 4 runs tied behind their back.

  26. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:25 PM

    Two runs earned. Jordan needs to prepare better. Pitches terrible first innings

  27. Eugene in Oregon - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:26 PM

    Doesn’t really matter whether runs are earned or unearned, they’re runs allowed. And when you start out three, four, or five runs behind — which seems to be happening way too often — your odds of winning go way, way down.

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:30 PM

      It is happening way too often. There has to be a reason when it happens this much.

      F.P. crazy he says Jordan’s stuff good. Did he see the hits besides the first?

    • Eric - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:31 PM

      Yeah. It’s aggravating. Still, even with Wainwright out there I don’t have that sense of inevitability I did last year unless the dedicit gets to be 5+ runs.

      As far as TJord and Roark, better to see what’s what early and with a winning record…

  28. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:28 PM

    The starting pitching in the first inning has been terrible. I blame the bullpen session not preparing the pitcher to start the game.

    When it happens this often and with so many pitchers, there is a major problem that needs attention.

  29. Danny - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:28 PM

    Folding like Swiss cheese

  30. secretwasianman - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:34 PM

    Another horrible first inning. This pitching staff is awful. They are not going anywhere this season. Stop drinking the kool aid people. All the experts were wrong again. Mediocre at best

  31. npb99 - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:35 PM

    I like Desmond, but I think this team should be very cautious about signing him long-term. He doesn’t have a great glove now (good arm, bad glove), and it will only get worse as he gets older.

    • David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:38 PM

      His defense was +11.6 last year on Fangraphs, which is very good. If you don’t trust Fangraphs, he was a Gold Glove finalist each of the last two years. He’s had a miserable two weeks, but he did last year too in April.

      • npb99 - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:19 PM

        Like I said, I like him, despite his errors, as he does a lot of other things. But I hope that the team doesn’t give in to sentimentality again (as with RZ) and sign him to an albatross contract after 2015.

      • David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:20 PM

        RZ isn’t signed to an albatross contract. Even if he becomes a 1B, his deal is perfectly fair market value for a guy who hits with his stats.

  32. secretwasianman - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:38 PM

    Can we please get off of anybody on this team who isn’t a pitcher. How many quality starts does this team have this year? The bats are the only thing saving this team.

    P S time for Detwilier to start

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:43 PM

      Our problems are 2 fold. Starters have been awful, and fielding no better.

      Our RISP is lower than I like, but our hitters have saved us a lot already.

  33. davecydell - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:39 PM

    Get on Laro,
    cause Desy owes this team big time.

  34. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:40 PM

    We have a real problem with fundamentals. If we could take of them consistently we would as good as the experts say.

    • E - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:48 PM

      Uh….what?

  35. secretwasianman - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:44 PM

    We went 5 months last season waiting for the fundamentals to get fixed. They never really did.

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:46 PM

      Everyone blamed Davey. MW said he would fix it, but guess what, it might not be visible.

  36. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:44 PM

    Crowd watching with hearts not eyes. Holiday barely moved to catch that ball, and crowd yelled way to loud.

  37. texnat1 - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    I wonder if they should have bunted Espi there.

  38. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:47 PM

    Jordan undo some of his damage with this at bat

  39. secretwasianman - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    Can’t really get upset about Jordan when Stras GIO and Zimm have all gotten crushed this season.

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:53 PM

      There is something wrong in game preparation all of them not ready to pitch.

  40. secretwasianman - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:49 PM

    Pinch hit. Lol

  41. unkyd59 - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:51 PM

    Ya gotta swing the bat…. He’s not gonna walk a rookie pitcher…. Ya gotta swing….

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:54 PM

      Ditto

  42. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 7:52 PM

    RISP after 2 Cards 2 for 5, Nats 0 for 3

    Can some explain why Jordan didn’t bother swing at a fast ball right over the plate. Winning 3-0 It might be OK, but losing 3-0 absolutely makes no sense. Not like it was a curve or slider, it was a fast ball.

  43. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    Maybe my standards are higher, but I never thought of John Mary as a good left handed hitter. He was OK at best.

  44. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:04 PM

    Brendon that is not a good habit. Don’t pull outside pitches. Results in grounders to short more often than not.

  45. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM

    Top 3 hitters 6 of the 9 outs

  46. scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:12 PM

    Wt heck?

  47. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    When are they going back to the rules as we know them?

    • dc27mvp - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:19 PM

      This was one of the worst calls ever. And the defense is so annoying tonight, it feels like they are bobbling every ball. Go Nats, wake up.

  48. texnat1 - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    Awful awful call.

    MW should have considered getting fired up there to get the team to wake up.

    • snerdblurter - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:17 PM

      agreed. thats not a bad spot to get yourself tossed. this team cant make a clean defensive play to save its life – somebody needs to wake them up before this gets really ugly.

  49. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:15 PM

    This new interpretation must get lost making baseball much less exciting.

    Whose idea was changing the rule?

  50. scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:15 PM

    They can’t challenge that?

  51. Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:16 PM

    Ok, that one had been in the glove. I don’t get that call. That hasd in my opinion, no resemblance to the McLouth call last week.

  52. Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:17 PM

    had

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:22 PM

      The umps said they called McLauth for the transfer play (so Brian Kenny said) so it is exactly the same call.

      • Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:30 PM

        Maybe the same call, but I didn’t think McLouth had the ball long enough, but I guess that the new rule is to end the umpire making an ambiguous judgement call of weather a fielder lost it on the transfer, or not. I’m not defending the new interpretation of the rule, but what it is saying in essence , if the fielder drops the ball before throwing it, then there is no catch. Tradition be damned.

  53. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:17 PM

    My goodness hyena defense is getting worse every game.

  54. davecydell - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    NFL comes to MLB,
    it is a brand new sport now.

  55. snerdblurter - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    great line by carp – “its like their playing with ice cubes instead of a baseball”

    • snerdblurter - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:19 PM

      *Charlie (getting my play-by-play guys mixed up)

  56. scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:20 PM

    Lucky just one

  57. David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    Jordan has not been that bad tonight. The defense has let him down. If you give the Cardinals extra outs, they’ll make ANY pitcher pay.

    • dcwx61 - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:30 PM

      +1

    • NatsNut - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:02 PM

      indeed

  58. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM

    Jordan’s defense is part of the problem.

    I wonder what brilliant idiot in the MLB office decided we needed to change the transfer rule? Why did we need the change? It was never a problem, so why change it?

    • texnat1 - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:31 PM

      Good question. Was the change related to the implementation of instant replay?

      • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:36 PM

        It seems to have gone it, but years we knew an out a drop transferring so why change it?

      • dcwx61 - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:38 PM

        I would work on fixing the unfair cable contracts in competing markets or the great disparity in rules between leagues first. Better to change the conversation and redefine what is a catch. Next year, I see a change in the definition of an out at second.

  59. secretwasianman - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    This team just can’t hang with the elite teams. They are a middle of the pack team. This is the same team as last season. There is no button to switch on. There is no slumber to awaken from. It is what it is. And what it is is a rerun of 2013.

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:36 PM

      I bet they win more than 86

    • Burnedonce - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:22 PM

      Sadly sadly true. Not elite. Not able to handle good pitching. Now not able to pitch or field. It’s a “no tools” team against winning teams. Probably won’t improve much. Nice guy head cases. It’s lucky they have the easiest schedule in MLB this year. It will be painful to watch them compete with winners.

  60. dcwx61 - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    Win or lose…always nice to see good plays

  61. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    I was thinking the same thing FP was. Ball was never taking out of the glove. Makes it an error.

  62. scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    Span doesn’t slide catch that

    • Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:43 PM

      Span will make a sliding catch, but rarely will dive for one.

  63. secretwasianman - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    Will we have more errors than hits?

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:37 PM

      Tonight?

  64. scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    MW gotta stir the pot. Get mad at something.

  65. Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    Ok, the way the rule was before, since the beginning of time, if you will, allowed for an ambiguous judgement decision by the umpire as to whether the fielder caught the ball, or lost it on the transfer. Now, like it or not, catch the ball and drop it before, or during the subsequent throw,and it will be ruled no catch. Period. In theory it leaves no room for it to any longer be a judgement call. It’s supposed to be cut and dried, and applied on all calls.

    Again, I’m not defending it. I’m only explaining it.

    • texnat1 - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:43 PM

      By that logic, it should be a drop even if the first basemen ends up dropping the throw. You can’t take the judgment call out of the determination of when the ball was caught and controlled and when the player started the process of transferring and throwing.

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:46 PM

      I have watch baseball 60 years umps for many years. We don’t need a cut dry. You catch the ball you reach in and throw it. Some time you drop it going to throw. Has nothing to do with catch.

      Only an idiot can’t tell the difference. Implementing the rule totally unnecessary to real baseball people.

      • Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:55 PM

        We can whine all we want. I don’t agree with it either, but they have changed the interpretation, and it will probably stand for the entire year at least.Try to read through this so as you know what the rule is as of the beginning of this year:

        Rule 2.00 [Catch] provides that, “In establishing the validity of the catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball and that his release of the ball is voluntary and intentional. If the fielder has made the catch and drops the ball while in the act of making a throw following the catch, the ball shall be adjudged to have been caught.”

        In 2013, the interpretation for “Legal Catch” held that if the fielder loses the ball after simply stopping the ball’s momentum and making an effort to retrieve it with a bare hand, it could be ruled “on the transfer” and a catch.

        For 2014, the following material was added:
        In determining whether a fielder drops the ball “while in the act of making a throw following the catch” in accordance with Rule 2.00, the umpires will determine whether the fielder obtained possession of a ball in flight but dropped the ball while in the act of making a throw during the momentum of the catch. For example, if the shortstop, in an effort to turn a double play, throws to the second baseman, who drops the ball while in the act of drawing back his arm to make a throw to first base, the second baseman shall be adjudged to have had secure control of the ball and thus the ball shall be adjudged to have been caught by the second baseman. However, it shall not be adjudged to be a catch if, while in the act of making a throw during the momentum of the catch, the fielder loses possession of the ball in the transfer (e.g., flip from the glove) before he secures the ball with his throwing hand.

  66. knoxvillenat - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    Zach Walters with a start tomorrow night, giving Desmond a day off to clear his head?

  67. philipd763 - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    Nats hitters helpless against good pitching.

  68. secretwasianman - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    Under .500 Monday morning

  69. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    My goodness is Weinwright Jesse Owens. Throw the damn ball to first. Mental error.

  70. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    Taylor Jordan a real mixed bag.

  71. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 8:59 PM

    Weinwright is not Jesse Owens. Makes Desmond’s non throw to first even more a mystery.

  72. Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:01 PM

    This is flat out the worst defense that this team has played in years.

    • knoxvillenat - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:07 PM

      Seamhead,

      See my comment from 7:39 above. In 2009 I believe we had the worst defense in the NL if not all of MLB. Seems to me not much has changed in five years in that regard.

      Right now this team needs a shrink or someone else to get the collective head out of their butts.

      • Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:28 PM

        Knox, I like to think we’re better, but there have now been at least 3-4 games this year that they have been just awful. The WCAC high schools play better defense then the Nats have in some of these games.

  73. dcwx61 - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:02 PM

    Hey I hear the Wizards are in the playoffs

  74. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:02 PM

    All the managers are complaining. I would not be surprised if it is not changed.

    Again bad fielding cost 2 more runs, as Loboton didn’t hear Tie an say throw to third.

    Fundamentals seem to get worse every inning.

  75. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    That swing was same render in game 5.

  76. David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:04 PM

    Matt is going to have an aneurysm with this defense. There’s only so much the coaching staff can do. They’ve emphasized defense, they’ve done all the drills. It’s on the players to execute and right now they are failing miserably.

  77. Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:08 PM

    Nice catch by Robinson in RF.

  78. scnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:11 PM

    It’s ok it’s just one game, early in the season.

    (Posted same thing one year ago)

    • npb99 - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:36 PM

      +1

  79. IsawTeddywin - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:12 PM

    Worst playing I have ever seen from our boys, and I’m including the 100 loss years.
    I hope they’re just sleep deprived from travel,
    Cards are obviously not what they were last year, or it would be 12-0.
    Does Williams even make it through the season if he can’t get them under control?

  80. Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:15 PM

    How many runs are Jordan’s fault…

    Jesus… I get home and it’s 7-0… What in the hell happened?

  81. scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:18 PM

    Everything bad u can imagine.

  82. snerdblurter - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:18 PM

    Should be about 2-0 if the Nats were doing their best Bad News Bears impressions…

  83. Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:18 PM

    Lots of Cardinals hits, lots of errors, lots of misplayed balls by the infield that won’t show up in the box score. A very undisciplined looking team.

  84. scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:18 PM

    Be honest. Would u trad Stras n Harper str8 up for trout?

  85. scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    2 head case under performers for the best player in 30 years? Hmmm

    • David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:24 PM

      Harper is a head case underperformer? How about you look up his career numbers and compare it to others his age. Hint: it’s better than guys like Ken Griffey and Barry Bonds.

      • scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:51 PM

        Who cares? That’s stat manipulation. Look after 5 years. He’ll be good, not great.

      • David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:53 PM

        You don’t seem to understand that the numbers that Harper is putting up at his age are amazing. You’re either being willfully ignorant or plain stubborn to troll. Whatever. Feel how you wish.

      • scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:55 PM

        Hasn’t cracked 60 RBIs in a season. That’s not clutch. But let’s see a few more full seasons. To be wrong would be great. Just like if rg3 becomes great…but man, I just don’t see either being great. #curseddcsports

  86. scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:21 PM

    This kids learns to pitch he’ll be unreal (Blake)

  87. Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:23 PM

    Man, the fans look cold. It seems a lot colder when your team is losing 8-0.

  88. philipd763 - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:23 PM

    I would trade Strasburg and Harper for Trout in a heartbeat.

    • scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:24 PM

      +2

      • npb99 - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:39 PM

        +3. Harper may not be a headcase, but he’s very unpolished compared with Trout. And Stras doesn’t have the mental makeup of a top pitcher.

      • scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:47 PM

        It’s normal to smash a bat off wall into your face. Throw helmets like a child. And yes others do it. All head cases.

  89. sunshinebobby - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:24 PM

    I am wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy late with this, but for those of you who have not yet already started:

    “Barkeep, bourbon and Maalox all around for my friends.”

    And please, make mind a triple. One for each error.

    • Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:30 PM

      And three errors don’t tell the whole tale, sunshine.

  90. Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:25 PM

    3 errors…. Wow

  91. David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:33 PM

    Through their first 270 games:

    Bryce Harper .275/.355/.482, .837 OPS
    Ken Griffey Jr. .284/.349/.445, .794 OPS
    Barry Bonds .251/.332/.477, .809 OPS
    Carl Yastrzemski .276/.339/.427, .766 OPS

    I understand people are frustrated, but please don’t say things that are flat-out ignorant. Bryce Harper is not an “overrated head case.” Yes, Trout is an amazing player and a generational talent. So is Bryce. You should appreciate that instead of bashing the star on your own damn team.

    • Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:41 PM

      + 1 and thank you, David.
      Not sure but I think that the pot was calling the kettle black.

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:41 PM

      Sometimes you gotta ignore idiocy…

    • snerdblurter - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:01 PM

      +1

  92. Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:37 PM

    Now we’ve seen it all. Werth misplays a routine fly into a 2 base error. 20th team error.

    • David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:41 PM

      He lost it in the lights. Can’t really help that. That’s different than the thousand other misplays tonight, IMO.

      • scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:43 PM

        It happens. No biggie

  93. dcwx61 - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:39 PM

    Trade Harper and Stras ???

    You Maniacs,
    You blew it up,
    D..n you, D..n you all to H…

  94. scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:41 PM

    270 not even 2 seasons. Bryce is not a generational talent and def a head case. Man I hope I’m wrong. I’m not down about errors or bad play… I’m just WORRIED Bryce n Stras are going to be something we shake our heads at in 5 years with regret

    • David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:45 PM

      Yes, not even two seasons. In his age NINETEEN and TWENTY seasons, he put up those numbers. He is a generational talent. Any scout would tell you that.

      • scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:58 PM

        The question was would u trade him for trout and give up the Stras experiment, who also has good numbers early. (Stras)

        Trout is 1.5 years older I believe

  95. breakbad1 - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:42 PM

    Nothing to worry about here. Just like they told us in 2013, “Don’t worry. It’s early.”

    • David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:51 PM

      Are you suggesting that because last year went poorly, good teams never start off poorly? Because I’ve got a whole lotta data that says otherwise.

    • Burnedonce - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:52 PM

      Same stuff
      different season
      same stuff
      Same stuff
      Same stuff….

  96. NatsNut - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:47 PM

    I don’t understand. This is confusing and upsetting me. Don’t say, “it’s early.” Something weird is happening.

    • Burnedonce - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:58 PM

      Weird indeed. It seems we can’t get past game 5. We pee our pants like 4 year old blast ballers (pre t ball) when we have real competition.

  97. David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:50 PM

    Nice AB for Souza.

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:52 PM

      Would prefer him to stay over Tyler Moore… Think he (Tyler Moore) needs to play everyday and if he sticks with the OF as his new position, continue working on it…

      Was kinda hoping Hairston was/is DFA’d…

      • scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:01 PM

        Moore is 27. We need to figure out if he’s an everyday major league player sooner than later. He’s no outfielder but looked dang good at first a few nights ago.

  98. sunshinebobby - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:52 PM

    Yeah, let’s lay off Harp. He’s the least of our worries. He’s fine. More than fine. Next to Werth, he’s the best player on the team.

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM

      Our starting 5 needs to shape up… Period.

      Send Taylor Jordan immediately… What’s the point of the sinker ball pitching not doing any of it???

    • scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:05 PM

      Rendon.

    • npb99 - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:05 PM

      Interesting how nobody who responded to the theoretical question of trade Harper and Stras for Trout stood up for Stras.

  99. Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:55 PM

    Everything going the Cards way…. Everything…

  100. Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 9:58 PM

    Up by 8… Just swing at anything… End this…

  101. Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:03 PM

    Matt Williams looks like he is ready to explode… Understandably so…

    • manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:09 PM

      Let someone have it behind close doors. Not in public please.

  102. scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:04 PM

    FP : the other team was a little more focused, a little more on top of their game”

    Wow.

  103. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:05 PM

    I thought I hate the transfer rule, but man Charlie and Dave hate it more.

    Listening to the various announcers around the league pretty much no one likes or understand why it has happened.

    When new interpretation come from rules it is usually there to solve a problem. There was no problem to fix. Seems that it causing more problem among that love the game. So in management thinks it good idea to have those who love game be ticked? If there was a problem before we all would no it. There I was no problem. Now we have one.

  104. davecydell - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:05 PM

    How to get to Wainwright.
    Make him stand on base for ten minutes.

  105. sunshinebobby - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    We got to Wainwright big-time in Game 5.

    Of course, that was a long time ago.

  106. David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:10 PM

    Will this inning ever end?

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:12 PM

      Cards were really taking at bats like its a close game…

  107. Natsfool - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:10 PM

    The Nats are overrated, but they’re not this bad. We have head cases, but much of this was caused by an expectation of failure born of the game 5 debacle. Turns out Stras was never good enough to protect like Rizzo did in 2012. Years from now they will talk about how that defined this organization. Time to rebuild our prospects and trade some of the core, because they are damaged goods. I would package Desmond and Zimmermann for a good MLB ready player and prospects. We can then develop Giolito and some of the younger players.

    • David Proctor - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:12 PM

      Lol, you’re ready to punt the season after 2 weeks?

    • davecydell - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:12 PM

      Good points.

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:13 PM

      Thanks for the laugh… Uhm, this was intended to be funny, right?

    • scmargenau - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:21 PM

      Ok. That’s nuts. I meant my comment as food for thought…but Desmond is legit top 5 SS, just a bad start. Zims a 290 lifetime guy who will be a GG at first, not to mention we can’t trade him. We have tons of young talent, so much we can’t play them!

  108. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:11 PM

    Blevins arggggg

    We got lucky tonight Cards left 15 on.

    Steve McCatty might be who Matt needs to get on.

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM

      Yeah, seems out pitchers haven’t been ready all season in the first couple of innings…

  109. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM

    FP calls it concentration. I call it focus.

  110. manassasnatsfan - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:15 PM

    Great call earlier . Which would be higher huts or errors. Eroors 4 times higher.

  111. Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:15 PM

    Glad you’re not the GM.

    • Joe Seamhead - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:17 PM

      That wGM comment was meant for poster above that would blow up the team. Hate this WordPress format.

  112. Mrsb loves the Nats - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:16 PM

    Please… Take a K.. Swing and pop up… Just end it…

    Counts as 1 loss…

  113. Candide - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:18 PM

    Cunegonde and I went inside during the 5th inning. It was COLD there.

    One highlight – I finally got to introduce Cunegonde and MicheleS, who was in the next section over from us. So there was that.

    Apart from that, just about the worst-played game I’ve ever attended. What a sloppy, sloppy team tonight.

    We finally left at the end of the 6th. We were far from the last.

  114. Sonny G 10 - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:21 PM

    Getting home from Florida at 3 am this morning didn’t do the team any good. Very ugly effort tonight.

    • wmlsays - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:31 PM

      Good teams just win. Bad teams make excuses.

      • Sonny G 10 - Apr 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

        Notice none of the players said this. This is my personal observation. And good teams don’t just win. They also lose and play a stinker every once in a while. At the end of the season they do wind up with more wins than the bad teams.

  115. breakbad1 - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:28 PM

    Doesn’t seem fair. We have to play in the cold, away, after a travel day. Have to envy the Cards’ schedule on this one.

  116. wmlsays - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:32 PM

    Wow, this team really knows how to overpromise and underperform.

    • Sonny G 10 - Apr 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM

      Then why don’t you just root for some other team?

  117. Natsfool - Apr 17, 2014 at 10:35 PM

    I would get rid of Ryan in a heartbeat if any team would take him. Jordan is the only tradable Zimm on this team. Yes, blow it up. I never liked Desmond’s plate discipline and he is a mediocre defender. He has pop so he is trade bait. Also, send Jordan back down after Fister comes back. There is something rotten is this team’s makeup. Rizzo also needs to be fired.

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