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Detwiler’s struggles continue in Nats’ loss

May 23, 2014, 7:02 AM EST


In a season filled with inconsistency from night to night, the one relative constant for the Nationals has been their bullpen. Their 2.11 ERA is best among MLB relief units, they are balanced left to right, and they have veteran experience.

The one exception, though, has been Ross Detwiler. For whatever reason, the former sixth overall pick and 2012 standout has been anything but reliable.

In Thursday’s 3-1 loss to the Pirates, Detwiler’s unfortunate 2014 season continued. He allowed a run in the eighth inning on a Josh Harrison single, his third consecutive outing surrendering a score. Detwiler has now given up 13 earned runs in his last eight appearances, a stretch of 10 innings.

The 13 earned in eight games comes after he began the year with seven scoreless outings. After finishing April with a 1.84 ERA, he now holds a 5.24 mark through 15 appearances.

Given Detwiler’s recent stretch, it’s remarkable how the Nationals still rank atop the majors in bullpen ERA. If you took his 13 earned runs in 22 1/3 total innings out of the equation, they would hold a 1.60 ERA as a unit. For comparison, only Jeff Samardzija has a better mark among qualifying MLB starting pitchers. Craig Kimbrel, well established as one of the game’s best relievers, holds a 1.44 ERA over his career.

Now, to be fair, Detwiler wasn’t the reason the Nationals lost on Thursday night. The run he allowed was merely insurance. They stranded 10 runners on base and only scored one run thanks to Ian Desmond’s club-leading eighth home run.

Offense continues to be the Nationals’ biggest problem in the month of May, and Detwiler can do nothing to change that. The Nationals’ one run on Thursday gives them a total of 60 through 19 games (3.16 per game) this month. Only the Reds have been worse.

Overall the Nats have been outscored by opponents 74-60 in May. They have much bigger problems right now than one struggling reliever, that’s for sure. But it is still concerning to watch a guy who was so good just two years ago continue to falter in the manner he has.

  1. Joe Seamhead - May 23, 2014 at 7:14 AM

    Well, that run Ross gave up last night was all on Span. It was so decreed as truth here last night.

    • nats128 - May 23, 2014 at 7:24 AM

      Stop with your whining.

  2. Joe Seamhead - May 23, 2014 at 7:20 AM

    Chase you hit the nail on the head right here:
    “Offense continues to be the Nationals’ biggest problem in the month of May, and Detwiler can do nothing to change that. The Nationals’ one run on Thursday gives them a total of 60 through 19 games (3.16 per game) this month.”

    • chaz11963 - May 23, 2014 at 8:24 AM

      Rendon and Werth are both in mini slumps hitting .091 and .172 in the last 7 days. We really need for them to be solid with LaRoche, Zim, and Harper out. The Nats hitting .226 in May and .214 with RISP.

  3. nats128 - May 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM

    I decided to do that trick and watch the visitors feed of that double in the 8th. I like the idea so you don’t get the sugarcoated version. The other team usually doesnt hold back. On the Pittsburgh ROOT network, heres the transcript from the double that fell between Span and Werth

    Ball falls in: “1st double of the season for Stewart. He will take that.” “Werth is mad. They have to talk to each other” Then they show the replay. “That one probaly should have been caught by somebody” “Apparently Span called for it” “If he did he has to commit and try to make the catch”

    No mention at all of a collision or potential collision. That was the entire transcript. I think when you listen to FP and Bob you get the sugarcoated version. I expect people here to be objective and fair. Span has to make that play. He stopped running.

    • natinalsgo - May 23, 2014 at 7:35 AM

      I did this screenshot

      • natinalsgo - May 23, 2014 at 7:38 AM

        They are both looking at each other in that photo and Werth had stopped. Werth was not happy. I can’t read lips but he had words with Span. The fact that Werth put on the brakes tells you he either thought Span called for it or pulled up as that is the CFs ball.

      • Hiram Hover - May 23, 2014 at 8:26 AM

        Yeah, tho it appeared to me last night as if Werth pulled up right in Span’s path, so that Span couldn’t then go for it flat out without risking a collision.

      • Joe Seamhead - May 23, 2014 at 8:41 AM

        HH? You and I saw the same thing, and when you are running at a full speed sprint it is not easy to stop on a dime. People claiming that Span quit on the play sure saw it differently than we did, not to mention, how often have you seen Span just quit on a ball? Not too often.

      • dcwx61 - May 23, 2014 at 10:31 AM

        It was a tough play and inconsequential the way we’re hitting

      • Eugene in Oregon - May 23, 2014 at 12:22 PM

        Neither Ross Detwiler’s pitching (last night) nor the missed ball in center-right field ’caused’ the 3-1 loss. You’re simply not going to win games if you score only one run. The league runs/game average is right at four (3.99). So far in May (19 games) the Nats have scored three or fewer runs 12 times. They’re 1-11 in those games. And in the eight games where they score two or fewer runs they’re 0-8. When they score at least league average they’re 7-0. It’s simply math — you don’t score you don’t win. Even with the spotty defense and some pitching meltdowns, the Nats are giving up fewer than four runs/game (3.87), which is slightly better than league average.

      • David Proctor - May 23, 2014 at 12:57 PM


      • NatsLady - May 23, 2014 at 1:12 PM

        Werth is getting BABiP’ed to death (except for a few strikeouts), as was Rendon last night. You wish a couple of Werth’s fly balls to the furthest reaches of center field had had some slant on them. For whatever reason, Rendon doesn’t (yet) have Desi’s stamina, but you’d sure rather have him out there than the alternatives.

        When it takes a team two or more web gems (Pirates and Reds) to beat you, there is hope. Outfielders are not ALWAYS going to catch those.

        After all that complaining about the rotation, every member (including Treinan for Gio) has given up three or fewer runs this time around. The bullpen is exemplary. The defense is still error-prone, though also given to sparkling “heady” plays, especially in the infield.

        Werth, like Rendon, is clearly tired, but short of bringing up a minor-leagurer, I don’t know what can be down until Harper gets back and that’s a long time. Souza was tried. Should Rizzo think outside the box and bring up Goodwin or even Taylor?

        That leaves the offense. It’s hard to diagnose the exact problem statistically. Even with the nine-run game, the Nats’ BABIP is low .272, 13th in the NL so there is clearly a “bad luck” factor. They have not hit into an excessive number of double plays (only four), their ratio of GB/FB’s is about average compared to the league.

        Let’s beat this crappy pitcher tonight. Things will feel better tomorrow. 😉

      • Danny - May 23, 2014 at 1:16 PM

        Despite Morton’s record he has a better ERA than J Zimm, just saying.

      • NatsLady - May 23, 2014 at 1:19 PM

        All I can say is WordPress must be hungry, because it’s EATING my posts.

      • natsfan1a - May 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM

        Yeah. Tough to make the play with a giant ketchup bottle about to unload on your head. Wait – what?

        Am still behind on reading posts and comments, though I did see most of the game last night. Maybe Det needs to grow back that awesome ‘stache he was sporting earlier in the season. It just shouted “reliever” (imho). Just a (random and likely pointless) thought. :-)

  4. Steady Eddie - May 23, 2014 at 7:26 AM

    Tim Welke — incompetent, corrupt, or just plain biased?
    Of course, 2 for 31 with RISP in the past three losses won’t win you many ball games no matter how great your pitching is, even if you get the calls properly.

    On the other hand, a terrible SZ does undermine even a good plan at the plate.
    This team really needs ALR and Zim to take the constant pressure off Rendon, Werth, Ramos, and Desi.

    • natinalsgo - May 23, 2014 at 7:35 AM

      How does he allow Volquez to get that walk?

    • nats128 - May 23, 2014 at 7:50 AM

      Counting the poor strike zone and horrible luck on BIP, this sums it up from Federal Baseball:

      Pinch choke: Scott Hairston pops out to leave ’em loaded in the aeyth (-17.4%). Let’s hope this isn’t a repeatable skill.

      The ball was purposely thrown above his shoulders and Hairston bit. A single brings in 2 runs and gives the Nats a 3-2 lead at that point. Sucker pitch as were the previous 2 thrown to Hairston.

      Hurdle didn’t even bother bringing in a right-handed reliever to face Hairston which left him with that matchup you want with lefty vs Hairston.

      • therealjohnc - May 23, 2014 at 8:52 AM

        Hairston Pinch Choke? That’s just idiotic. Even after last night Hairston is hitting .500 (7-for-14) against LHP this season, including two doubles. He and Espinosa were at the heart of the rally against Aroldis Chapman on Tuesday night. So, he fails once so it must have been because he “choked.”

        Don’t watch baseball much, do you?

      • bowdenball - May 23, 2014 at 9:16 AM

        I’m not gonna call it a “choke,” but it was an awful AB by Hairston. The bases are loaded and the pitcher is struggling with control, leaving everything up. A walk ties the game. Hairston swung at two of three pitches, all of which were out of the zone, although the swinging strike was close:

        It’s great that he was 8 for 18 before that AB, but he didn’t have any HRs or walks and he had three Ks, so it’s not like he was having consistently great ABs or anything. Basically he’d gotten lucky on balls in play with a .471 BABIP. He’s absolutely fair game for criticism for that terrible AB.

      • jd - May 23, 2014 at 9:25 AM


        Yours is a classic case of you have made up your mind about Hairston so you won’t let the facts alter your opinion. The guy is brought in to be a primary pinch hitter against lefties and is in fact hitting .500 against them and did have a great game tying RBI against Aroldis Chapman but you find one unsuccessful at bat and you analyze it to death and triumphantly declare that he chocked.

        Get serious.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - May 23, 2014 at 10:13 AM

        John, if you read what he wrote the “choke” quote was directly from Federal Baseball.

      • nats128 - May 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM

        ” from Federal Baseball:

        Pinch choke: Scott Hairston pops out to leave ‘em loaded in the aeyth (-17.4%). Let’s hope this isn’t a repeatable skill.”

        May be I should have put quotations around it for “THEREALJOHNC” and JD others. I didnt write that quote. That was directly from Federal Baseball.

        I wouldn’t call it a choke just a poor AB. It is what it is.

  5. joemktg - May 23, 2014 at 7:36 AM

    Detwiler has to be believe that he’s in hell and sees his prospects of getting out as being slim, thus compounding his issues. The answer is obvious.

    • natinalsgo - May 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM

      I thought he pitched well. The double needs to be caught. Inning over with no hits. I watched a game filled with Pirates defensive web gems and when it came time for the Nats to make plays they didn’t do it for their pitchers.

  6. Brookstoor - May 23, 2014 at 7:53 AM

    Not Detwiler’s fault although he hasn’t many successful outings this year. Gives up a run almost every time. This month we’re scoring less runs than our 2013 averages and we know what that gets you.

    • nats128 - May 23, 2014 at 7:55 AM

      I agree. He has not been good and when he makes his pitches and should have a 1-2-3 inning his defense lets him down. Thats snakebit.

  7. Eric - May 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM

    I feel bad for the guy…I hope he figures it out. He initially seemed a lot more confident and his pitches more peppy last night than they have in other recent outings, and the first hit was a lame bloop that happened to drop.

    Still, his recent efforts ain’t gonna cut it… Hope he can get it together again soon.

    I do wonder if he’s still working back to form. I seem to recall a sorts orthopedist saying athletes who have major surgery are almost never back to 100% before a year has passed. And, it was just barely a year ago that his start in LA was cut short…

  8. Joe Seamhead - May 23, 2014 at 8:07 AM

    The ball should have been caught, I agree. The ball was playable by either of them.So why wasn’t it? There was a communication problem between Werth and Span. Each thought the other was going to get it. Looking back on instant replays and stopped screenshots makes it look so much easier than it actually is in real time out there. But, hey,you know, that Span guy is always quitting on making catches.

  9. Doc - May 23, 2014 at 8:16 AM

    Great shot!

    If any number of balls hit to the OF, and not caught, when Soriano has been pitching we’d be urging Rizzo to DFA him!

    On a lighter note, the ketchup didn’t appear to catchup to Span. LOL

  10. Hiram Hover - May 23, 2014 at 8:17 AM

    Ghost and Eugene yesterday were discussing Det’s significant L/R splits and the idea of using him more as a LOOGY, if only to let him build up some confidence.

    Last night, he was put in with 2 righties and the pitchers spot coming up. So in other words, exactly the opposite.

    Bottom line, Det has to be able to perform whenever he’s put in, whatever the situation. But that was not a situation that was tailor made for his success.

  11. Hiram Hover - May 23, 2014 at 8:29 AM

    Wow, at 8:30am and with ~18 comments, WordPress has already lost all semblance of order in this comment thread.

    Boooo, WP.

  12. nats128 - May 23, 2014 at 8:37 AM

    Headed to the beach. GO NATS!

    • nats128 - May 23, 2014 at 10:45 AM

      Now Im really walking out the door to go to the beach.

  13. natsguy - May 23, 2014 at 8:38 AM

    For Detwiler: When you live by the fastball you die by the fastball.

    He must have left his pitches with a wrinkle at the dry cleaners 3 years ago. Better go get them or your career will end soon.

  14. Eric - May 23, 2014 at 8:54 AM

    +1 to those who are confused by the hubbub over the bloop that fell between Span and Werth. That was a tough play for either and, considering Span has already been out with a concussion this season and for the second time in his career, it’s not surprising he pulled up. Besides, the play had no bearing whatsoever on the outcome. The HBP to walk in a run and the lack of offense were much more integral. If not for the HBP, it would’ve been 1-1 when Det came in… Maybe Det doesn’t go in and maybe that bloop never happens; likewise, if any of our runners who were stranded had come home.

    If we had scored 1 run in the month it would’ve at least been a meaningful play… But we didn’t so it wasn’t.

    • Eric - May 23, 2014 at 8:55 AM

      1 run in the NINTH. Heh.

    • Joe Seamhead - May 23, 2014 at 9:54 AM

      +1 Eric.

  15. scnatsfan - May 23, 2014 at 9:16 AM

    This team is like a bad relationship. I love them and see more in them but they keep being who they are and hurting me… yet every night I come back for more, hoping they have changed. I keep hoping tonight is the night. It isn’t. Either I need to move on, keep hoping they change or learn to love them just like they are with their flaws. And I know I am not moving on.

    Maybe I should call Dr. Phil.

    • bowdenball - May 23, 2014 at 9:29 AM

      They’re still over .500 despite a rash of injuries to all-stars, you know. That’s after being over .500 each of the previous two seasons, one of which included a division title.

      I think Dr. Phil would tell you that you should stop holding your partner to unrealistic ideals and find a way to be happy with the flawed but pretty darn good relationship you’ve already got.

    • Eric - May 23, 2014 at 9:31 AM

      Wow. MNF can’t sleep for 3 hours after a loss and now scnatsfan is looking for couples therapy to address the issues that exist between him (her? apologies…) and the Nats.

      I think this is what the ledge might look like…Take a step back…and another, take a step back!

    • scnatsfan - May 23, 2014 at 10:04 AM

      Hey I’m not even near the ledge. And, despite the Dr Phil reference, I’m a guy lol.

      Teams have a very short window of opportunity and I hate to see it wasted. Any long time fan of the franchise – and I was an Expos fan who saw them in the playoffs – and dealt with the horrid product has been waiting for this day for a long time and you can’t help it to hope they had made the step to the upper level teams – we are close, but not there. After the huge step back last year and the same song this year – we are OK, near .500, will get it together – I am getting anxious thinking 2,3 years from now someone like Simontacci will be on the mound for us.

      • bowdenball - May 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM

        The idea that teams have a very short window of opportunity is just not true. A team that is well-run can compete in perpetuity, regardless of its finances. The Braves, the Rays, the As, the Giants- none of them have monster budgets, but all of them have been in the playoff chase virtually every season since the Nationals came into existence and likely will be for the foreseeable future.

        The Nats haven’t really made any moves that will hinder their ability to compete long term. They’ve traded away exactly one top 100 prospect to acquire immediate help (two if you count Cole, but they got him back in the Morse deal). They’ve got only one player to whom they’ve committed more than $15 million a year in the coming years. If they are unable to extend guys like Harper, Strasburg and Ramos for 2017/18 and beyond they can flip them for a massive bounty of prospects and free up a lot of cash in the process. The farm system currently isn’t great but it has arguably the best pitching prospect in the game. I don’t see any reason to think the window will close with the departure of the 2015 free agent class like some people think, especially if they extend Desmond as most expect them to do.

  16. edshelton2013 - May 23, 2014 at 9:36 AM

    I’m a devoted fan but the lack of hitting makes this team hard to watch, night after night. The individual BA/OBP stats speak for themselves–no need to repeat them here. And don’t tell me everything will be fine when the “big three” get back. We can’t expect Harper/Zimmerman/Laroche to be saviors. They’ll be starting their second spring training and we’ll still have the same holes in the lineup as we do now. Someone else needs to step up.

    • dcwx61 - May 23, 2014 at 10:27 AM

      It has been hard to watch the last 2 (I saw the last cincy loss)…looks like 60’s baseball is back
      With traditionally better hitters coming back, a team does have a better chance of scoring. Even getting LaRoche’s bat back will give the Nats a better chance with RISP. I agree though that he may need to get his stroke back.
      The difference this year compared to last may be the Braves who are a weaker team with injuries and their weaker lineup

      • dcwx61 - May 23, 2014 at 10:29 AM

        I mean another big difference….of course, Fister and a better bench is important. Espi is the same though and that is getting way old.

    • bowdenball - May 23, 2014 at 12:48 PM

      I think it’s silly NOT to except those guys to make a huge difference. Removing three of the best hitters in the organization and replacing them with replacement-level performance clearly made a big difference, right? That’s 37.5% of the lineup. Why would the inverse not also be true?

      Also, they won’t be “starting their second spring training.” LaRoche only missed two weeks. Zim and Harper will go through rehab and hit the cage and then get rehab assignments before they return. Sometimes guys come back from long absences and struggle, like we see with Ramos this year, but sometimes they come back better than ever, as we saw with Werth last year.

      It’s fair to wonder if we’ll be too far in the hole by the time they return to catch the Braves. It’s fair to wonder if we might suffer more injuries that counter their return. But to think their returns won’t significantly help the offense? Come on. The Nats were one of the best offenses in baseball for the first three weeks of the season before Harper and Zim were lost.

      • texnat1 - May 23, 2014 at 1:16 PM

        I expect them to help for sure. But we should temper our expectations a tad here. Zim is a nice addition offensively, but it remains to be see how badly he will hurt the team defensively. ALR has been knocking the cover off the ball, but is probably due for some regression. And Harp is not back for a while.

        That and the addition of these players will be offset to some extent by a schedule that is about to get a lot harder.

        I certainly agree with you that these players will help. But we can’t just shrug our shoulders at these losses and point to injuries. The Nats need to be winning these series right now against the likes of the Reds and the Pirates. They are making life much harder on themselves going forward by failing to do so, whether they get healthy or not.

      • bowdenball - May 23, 2014 at 1:52 PM

        Well sure, of course they’re making life much harder on themselves. I’m just saying that this is exactly what was expected when the injuries happened. Now that we’re actually seeing it happen I don’t know why everyone is surprised.

        This was an average MLB offense to start the season, of course it’s going to be among the worst in the league or maybe the worst in the league when you remove three bats of this caliber. When you pair one of the best pitching staffs in the league with one of the worst offenses in the league, this is what you get: a lot of close, low-scoring games that turn on a couple key plays. They’ve lost three such games in a row, which sucks, but it’s really that simple.

  17. stoatva - May 23, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    Don’t look now, but Nate McLouth is hitting .296 over his last ten games.

    • Joe Seamhead - May 23, 2014 at 10:43 AM

      Stats are interesting sometimes. McLouth (.296), Desi (.293), and Span (.349) all have good batting averages for the past ten games. Moore- so, so (.233). Werth (.200), Rendon (.158), and Ramos (.179) over that time period have all been anemic, yet all have had some hard hit balls. And then you have Espinosa (.128) with 16 K’s in 39 AB’s during that time.
      The chinks in the armor with Zim, Harp, and Adam out are hard to disguise, especially at the bottom of the order, but when you have 3 or 4 guys that you count on not coming through, it makes it tough.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - May 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM

        Good summation. I can’t even count how many of the guys in the sub 199 BA have been robbed.

        This team needs to turn the bad luck.

        Shocking to read Ryan Zimmerman only played in 10 games this season.

  18. ehay2k - May 23, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    Was in the air for all but the top of the 8th, which I heard in a cab, and the 9th, which I got to watch.

    The appear to be pressing again at the plate. Some of our guys just don’t appear understand when a pitcher is struggling, when they have the leverage, etc. Instead, they see RISP and try to hit a 9 run HR. Hairston’s miserable AB, and that is really unfair more to the miserable than to Scott, was a perfect example. Desmond WALKED, and the last ball was like over his head. What does that tell you about the pitcher? So swinging on a pitch way up – not the “one you were looking for” I hope – was bad, very bad, especially since it was a 1-1 count (I think, or was it 0-1 or 1-0?). Ant any rate, you had some pitches to take Scott and that was one of them.

    Then, after a 4 pitch walk to Espinosa (!!!!!!!) in the 9th, McLouth swings at the first or second pitch and grounds out? Sheesh.

    I know, it’s much, much, much harder to actually play than criticize from the keyboard, but I’m not talking about barreling up the ball. It’s their lack of plate discipline that totally drives me nuts. Can MW and crew fix it? I want us to be smart hitters. Or at least not total idiots with no plan at the plate besides “Swing REALLLY HARD.”

    When we get ALR, Zimm and Harper back, I believe (hope may be a more apt word here) that should help a ton.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - May 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM

      Your description of Hairston’s AB is spot on. While both the pitcher and Hairston were both in Hi Lev it was the pitcher on the ropes. You put the odds in your favor as much as you can and Matt Williams did that but a pinch-hitting specialist must have a plan in place.

      Pitch 1 high for ball 1. Pitch 2 high swing and miss for a 1-1 count. Pitch 3 higher and it surprised me that Hairston could even reach it but certainly couldn’t barrel it up. Easy pop-up.

      Hairston needed to stay off that garbage and work the count after the 2 walk inning. I don’t get it.

      Some at-bats like his AB against Chapman requires a different plan. That was man on 3rd and 1 out. Swing for the fences with less than 2 strikes.

      The Pirates situation last night called for a much different plan and approach. A productive out won’t work here and a walk is what I would be thinking but be ready for a fatty down the middle. He saw 3 high pitches and chances are based on the umpiring the best case was 3-0 and worst case was 2-1 if he just spit on each pitch.

      He’s 1-7 with RISP and .000 in Hi Lev with the one Sac Fly. He gets optimum matchups in facing Lefties like last night and Matty has given him some prime spots to stick it to a reliever on the ropes. This is what the great pinch-hitters wait for.

      Of course the loss doesn’t rest on any one player and overall the Pirates defense and one clutch hit won it for them.

  19. ehay2k - May 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM

    WordPress is messing up the post orders again.

  20. erocks33 - May 23, 2014 at 12:00 PM

    Regardless whether Span makes that catch or not, Detwiler needs to step up and make the other team make outs. He didn’t do that, and he hasn’t done that all season. He needs to be “Haren’d” and put on the DL to see if he get his head on straight. He can not be counted on in any situation right now.

    His last 10 outings:
    13.2 IP
    22 Hits
    8 Walks to only 7 K’s
    13 Earned Runs
    8.56 ERA

    • Ghost of Steve M. - May 23, 2014 at 12:06 PM

      Agreed. He needs a blister on his finger but I thought he pitched much better last night. Not great but better. Where is the blazing 95 heater for a K? Thats what I want to see!

      • Eric - May 23, 2014 at 1:12 PM

        Agreed re last night. AtBat had one of his first pitches at 97 (?!?!)…

  21. jd - May 23, 2014 at 12:00 PM

    I haven’t seen Giolito’s name in minor league games recently. Is he injured?

  22. richardp6 - May 23, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    Baseball is a game of %’s. The depleted lineup can perform for a while but eventually the loss of the big bats shows through over a period of time (like the Month of May). It’s like a law of physics. Looking around the horn, its like a AAA game reunion. These guys must be observing that wow we’ve got half the recent team up now playing as Nationals. (Rendon, Moore, Treinin, Espinosa, Ramos). Unfortunately, they’re playing AAA ball as well. LOL.

  23. richardp6 - May 23, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    Agreed. Baseball is a game of %’s. The depleted lineup can perform for a while but eventually the loss of the big bats shows through over a period of time (like the Month of May). It’s like a law of physics. Looking around the horn, its like a AAA game reunion. These guys must be observing that wow we’ve got half the recent team up now playing as Nationals. (Rendon, Moore, Treinin, Espinosa, Ramos). Unfortunately, they’re playing AAA ball as well. LOL.

  24. texnat1 - May 23, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    Keith Law is floating the idea that the Rangers should move Beltre.

    I wonder if the Nats should go after him. He is under contract for two more years.

    There would be a little bit of a logjam right away once RZim came back, which you could maybe solve by playing Zim in the outfield (if he can do it).

    But next year it would work out very well with RZim moving to first and one of the best, if not the best, 3B in the majors manning third and Rendon manning second.

    Or, to be way outside the box, you could explore trading RZim for Beltre. He would have value to the Rangers as a 1B or DH even if he can’t regain his form at 3B.

    • NatsLady - May 23, 2014 at 1:37 PM

      Zim can’t be traded unless he consents, which I very much doubt he would.

    • bowdenball - May 23, 2014 at 2:08 PM

      The Nationals probably don’t have the assets to pick up Beltre unless they are willing to part with Giolito, which would be a huge mistake, or they deal major league assets, which would negate the reason for picking up Beltre in the first place.

      • NatsLady - May 23, 2014 at 2:28 PM

        Whut? You don’t think Tyler Moore would do it?

      • texnat1 - May 23, 2014 at 4:05 PM

        Ha. I remember when a certain poster suggested the Nats could pick up Stanton for a package built around TyMo. The poster then went on to suggest that this would be a mistake . . . for the Nationals.

        I agree that they probably couldn’t get him for any less than Giolito, which would be a mistake.

  25. edshelton2013 - May 23, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    Several posters have noted the three high pitches that Hairston saw. The highest was the last one, which he popped up.
    Here’s his quote: “I put a good swing on it. Maybe another quarter inch on top and that ball leaves the yard.”

    You think he might benefit from watching that AB on video???

  26. NatsLady - May 23, 2014 at 1:13 PM

    Here is info on La Roche’s rehab game last night in Potomac.
    Adam LaRoche Rebab

  27. NatsLady - May 23, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    Have NO IDEA what happened to my post on LaRoche’s rehab. Trying again.

    • Joe Seamhead - May 23, 2014 at 1:35 PM

      Thanks for that, NL.Good to hear that Adam feels comfortable running, etc. I didn’t cross check it, but wasn’t that slash line given on Tyler Moore for the overall season, not just for while ALR has been out?

      • NatsLady - May 23, 2014 at 1:43 PM

        Yes, that’s the entire season. Here is for the period of LaRoche’s absence. .212/.297/.303 11 games, 37 PAs (One was the game he came in in the 12th inning, but it’s hard to elminate that). It’s about the same whether he plays or comes in off the bench, so apparently the thought that he would hit better when he played is just that–a thought.

    • unkyd59 - May 23, 2014 at 7:05 PM

      FWIW, all three of yoru tries on the rehab link work fine for me, on iPhone.

  28. Eugene in Oregon - May 23, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    NatsLady – your posts are there, but as someone described it a few weeks ago, the comments seem to be set on ‘shuffle’ (or maybe reshuffle repeatedly).

    • NatsLady - May 23, 2014 at 1:38 PM

      I see them now, 15 minutes later… oh, well. Sorry about that.

  29. Section 222 - May 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM

    Dateline Western PA:

    Well that game ruined kind of ruined a gorgeous evening at PNC Park. Weather couldn’t have been more perfect, and I had great seats in Section 112, about 20 rows behind the Nats dugout. The whole place has an intimate feel that is really great, but since I sit in the 300 level at Nats Park it was a real treat. $18 per seat on StubHub!

    I had high hopes for Treinen after his first start, but he definitely didn’t seem as sharp this time out. That wicked 96 MPH fastball with a lot of movement was missing for most of the night. Still, he battled and his giving up two runs in 5 2/3 innings is not the reason we lost. Again, the bats were silent for the most part. Most disappointing was Hairston’s AB, even with Watson struggling with command. And of course, there were the great outfield plays by Harrison (that guy is a real crowd favorite, and I can see why) and McCutcheon to end the game. Compare that to Werth and Span’s “After you, Alphonse” act out there. Span just has to catch that ball. He wouldn’t even have had to dive.

    Did you notice that MW actually went out to the home plate umpire after McCutcheon’s catch in case the replay showed it to be challengeable? It didn’t.

    It’s a Pittsburgh tradition to pile stuff into a sandwich, even though I grew up there and don’t really remember it. I guess I had a deprived childhood. Primanti Bros’s signature sandwich incorporating fries and slaw in the sandwich. I got one at the park a few years ago and didn’t really like it much. But I suppose judging it by the ballpark experience would be like judging Ben’s Chili Bowl by the hastily prepared half smokes at their stands at Nats Park. Last night at the Riverwalk Grill (run by Aramark of course), I had the Smokehouse Dog, which consisted of a footlong hot dog covered with pulled pork and Durkee fried onions. And BBQ sauce of course. Not sure I’m eager to repeat the experience, but it was tasty. The 22 oz. can of Yuengling washed it down just fine.

    The always friendly Pirates fans around me were fired up for Saturday nights Strasburg v. Cole matchup. They also weren’t surprised that Nate McLouth is struggling. And they seem more nervous when Melancon is closing than we are about Soriano, if you can believe that.

    I see that the MNF index in the game post shot up to 34.6%. Thought about posting during the game, but who can even be seen in that barrage? Hopefully the few other participants saw the picture from the park I posted.

    On to Game 2. Sitting with the NATS NATS NATS crew under the press box for this one. Hopefully the Nats will score some runs so you can hear us.

    • NatsLady - May 23, 2014 at 2:26 PM

      Saw your pic, very nice. Was tempted to drive today, on impulse, since I doubt it’s a sellout, but I’d have to drive back five hours at night in the mountains. Maybe next year. Am planning to go to Milwaukee for our series there in late June (well, and to see my relatives, of course).

  30. secretwasianman - May 23, 2014 at 1:48 PM

    When a pitcher knows he must basically shutout the opponent in order to win it is very difficult. The offense is absolutely awful. How about bringing in Det when up up a couple runs?

    • Hiram Hover - May 23, 2014 at 2:00 PM

      You do remember they did that the last time it was possible, right–Tuesday, vs the Reds?





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