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Fister strong again in Nats’ win

May 31, 2014, 4:42 PM EST

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Doug Fister’s tenure with the Washington Nationals by no means started off on the right foot. He was injured in spring training and didn’t debut until May 9 in a trainwreck of a start out in Oakland.

Since, however, Fister has battled through an inconsistent month overall for his team to put in four consecutive strong outings, all resulting in wins for the Nationals. What for a while looked like the start of a long season for the 30-year-old has quickly turned into an extended display of the veteran grit the Nats hoped to acquire when they traded for him back in December.

Fister was brilliant in the Nationals’ 10-2 win over the Rangers on Saturday afternoon, recording 10 outs before allowing his first baserunner. He finished with six innings pitched, four hits, two earned runs, a walk and six strikeouts. The walk was just his second of the season in five starts.

“He’s great,” first baseman Adam LaRoche said. “You see him bouncing around out there. You see how quick he works. Ton of strikes, it’s just an uncomfortable at-bat. He’s one of those guys you face and you look up and you’re 0-2, 1-2 it seems like every time. He mixed it up great and was throwing everything for strikes. After that first start, he’s settled in and been fantastic for us.”

Fister – who entered the day with nine career starts against Texas under his belt – sat down with the Nationals’ position players before the game to discuss his strategy going in. As a sinkerball, pitch-to-contact hitter, he wanted to give his teammates a heads up as to how he would approach each Rangers batter. That way they would have a better idea of where to position themselves defensively in the event of a groundball coming their way.

That bit of extra preparation impressed his manager.

“He had a really good gameplan,” Matt Williams said. “He kind of sat with the position players yesterday and went over it. He has some experience against these guys that the rest of us don’t potentially have. So he wanted to sit with them and talk to them about it. But he had a really good gameplan about how to attack them.”

Fister is now 3-1 with a 3.34 ERA on the season through five starts, with a 1.08 WHIP and .256 batting average against. Though he missed the first six weeks of the season, he is only one win behind the rotation leader, Stephen Strasburg.

Fister has been extra fortunate with run support from his teammates, hence the victories. The Nationals have averaged 7.3 runs per game in his last four starts, despite only scoring 3.7 as a team in the month of May.

Though it would seem like a coincidence, LaRoche thinks there may be something to it.

“I think there’s something there, absolutely,” he said. “You get a guy that works quick and is just a contact pitcher. He’s not trying to strike everybody out. If they swing at the first pitch, that’s what he’s shooting for. Here it is, hit it. Hit it into the ground and let the defense work. You’re on your toes. Not that we’re not with the other pitchers by any means, but he’s just one of those that has knack for really quick innings and a lot of strikes.”

Fister has a fast windup and delivery and likes to keep his starts moving. As soon as one play ends, he’s picking the ball up to begin the next at-bat. It gets the team back into the dugout quickly, ready to go back at it on offense.

“He’s got the ability to work quickly, which certainly helps your defense,” Williams said. “They expect the ball to be put in play. He throws strikes, with all of his pitches. The radar gun doesn’t light up, but he puts it where he wants to.”

“I think it may help us defensively, because he grabs the ball and goes. You don’t have time to stand defensively… You’re on your toes, because you expect the ball to be put in play, and it’s happening so quickly.”

Though Fister has been lucky in terms of early leads and comfortable margins in games, he says it doesn’t affect his gameplan on the mound.

“Honestly, it doesn’t change my approach on the game,” he said. “I’m always out there as if it’s a 0-0 ballgame. We gotta put up zeros on defense. That enables me to stay locked in, that enables us to get quick outs, and get our offense back out there. When they’re on like that, they want to get back out there and keep swinging it. Might as well get them back out there.”

If you remove Fister’s first start of the year, a five earned run-shellacking he took against the A’s, his numbers are outstanding over his last four starts. Since that first game he is 3-0 with a 2.13 ERA, 21 strikeouts and two walks in 25 1/3 innings. He has been the Nationals’ best starting pitcher in May, a month the team finished with an 11-15 record overall.

The Nationals’ rotation has not been as advertised so far this season, as for much of the year they’ve ranked in the middle of the league in starters ERA. With Fister in the mix now, however, they are rising up the ladder. After Saturday, they now place 11th in the majors with a 3.80 ERA as a unit.

Nationals’ starters had the second best ERA in the game in 2012, the year they posted the best record in baseball. They were seventh last year in just their second winning season since moving to Washington, D.C. Starting pitching is what this team is built around, and it appears to be turning a corner.

Fister entered the year as the Nationals’ fourth starter, but given the ups and downs of their rotation and how good he has been over his last four starts, he already looks like a central component of the team. He set the tone on Saturday and helped the Nationals end the month of May on a good note, a task that looked a lot tougher before the weekend began.

“We went out there and played hard-nosed baseball. Guys playing defense, running into walls,” Fister said. “Everybody’s working together, having great communication, that’s what a good team does. That’s how we’re playing right now and that’s what we want to keep doing.”

  1. Section 222 - May 31, 2014 at 5:15 PM

    Got new posted:

    Great day at the park. Absolutely perfect weather, and an easy and entertaining win. Watching Fister work is such a joy. Once again, he’s showing what a great pickup he was. Robbie who?

    When Ron Washington didn’t PH for Baker in the 5th it was pretty clear he was conceding the game. MW followed suit with his mass substitutions. I felt like I was at a college basketball game where the scrubs get in for a few minutes at the end of a blowout.

    I really find this discussion of trading for a 2B humorous. And the idea that next year Zim will play LF and Werth will move to 1B is just crazy. If ALR is gone, why not just move Zim to 1B? Does anyone really think his candy arm will play better in the OF than it would at 1B? Is our defense better with Zim in LF and Werth at 1B than with Zim at 1B and Werth in RF (or LF)? Come on! And this totally ignores the fact that Rizzo thinks Harper is better off in a corner OF position than CF. I also wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him re-sign Span to a one or two year deal.

    I honestly think the best position for him now is 3B. Move Rendon back to 2B and send Espi to the bench to be a late inning defensive replacement and 2B in AL parks when Zim can DH. Zim knows how to play the position. He’s going to be more comfortable there and be able to settle in and get his stroke back, rather than throwing him into a new position, whether it’s 1B or the OF. And honestly, I see disaster written all over the idea of him playing LF regularly. What does he do on a smash into the corner? Virtually every single to left becomes a potential double.

    The only wild card here is what someone noted in another thread about MW having taken Espi on as a personal reclamation project. He was happy last night because he made good contact. Today after the game he said, “Danny is going good.” Going good? One double and 3 Ks? That’s going good? I think Rizzo will end this silliness when Zim comes back. If Espi continues to start at that point, they have lost their minds. And I will lose mine. :-)

    • Candide - May 31, 2014 at 6:04 PM

      I honestly think the best position for him now is 3B.

      I would agree with that, with one proviso: that his throwing arm is working properly again. Rendon has shown he can play good second base, and Espi has shown he’s as valuable sitting on the bench as he is swinging a bat.

      If Zimm can’t throw, yikes, that makes a mess of everything. Where do you put a guy who can’t throw? In left? That totally messes up the outfield. At first? Well, maybe, which I’m sure we’ll all be happy to see when ALR wins another Silver Slugger and the team decides NOT to pick up the mutual option.

      If you know the names of any saints, pray to them for Zimm’s arm.

    • sjm308 - May 31, 2014 at 6:31 PM


      Truly was a great day at the park!
      Always good to run into you and I actually had a gentleman come up to me after the game & introduce himself as a reader of “Insider”. Guess he figured an old guy coming up from 308 just might be me & it made me think. He talked about not posting much but reading the comments religiously and this really is sort of a community.

      This is my first game where you could just breath easy and watch without worrying too much about winning or losing and that was a treat. I did not go back to read in-game comments but did read the thoughts after the game. My scorebook had 6 K’s 3 each for Espinosa and Lobaton but besides from that there were lots of diamonds all filled in. I am sure this has been repeated but Rendon made at least 3 plays where our section immediately said “no way Zimm makes that throw” and sadly, healed or not, I think we were right.

      I am ok with Zimm in left until Harper comes back but when that happens I think you have to move him back to 3rd for the majority of his ABs. You can rest LaRoche against tough lefties and you have 4 games with the DH but I think you need Span in CF and its crazy to keep jerking Harper around and move him back to CF. You weaken the entire outfield with that move and you still have Espinosa at 2nd which hurts us offensively.

      When Zimm and Harper are both back, you then have excellent defensive, late inning guys in McClouth and Espinosa, you still have the big banger to PH with Hairston. You will also be able to give Werth, Span and even Rendon and Desmond days off because McClouth can play all 3 outfield positions and Danny for one or two games a week will not kill you.

      So to summarize, Zimm in LF if the powers at be honestly think he can handle that but only until Harper returns. Then Zimm back to 3rd, Rendon to 2nd Harper to LF

      Go Nats!!!

      • Section 222 - May 31, 2014 at 11:04 PM

        I totally agree that Zim’s arm is a serious problem. You probably don’t remember, but I’ve been saying that for three years at least, since well before his shoulder surgery. But remember that after his really disastrous start to the year he took a few days off because of pain in his shoulder and when he came back, the plan was to throw everything sidearm. He played pretty well for a few days like that including making a couple of gutsy throws on diving stops. It wasn’t pretty but he didn’t have any errors. And then he broke his thumb.

        No one should expect that Zim’s arm will be fixed when he comes back. But hopefully he can muddle through with the sidearm throw for the rest of the season until he can move to 1B next year. And the place for him to play is 3B. That’s the position he knows and you get a lot fewer chances there than at 2B. (I’m pretty sure there’s a way to research this more thoroughly, but just as a start, Rendon had 389 chances in 82 games at 2B last year, Espi had 218 in 44 games, and Zim had 379 in 141 games. I don’t think those chances include relay throws to 1B on DPs, or to home from the right or center fielder.) In LF, you don’t get as many chances, but you get a lot. And many of them require a strong and accurate throw, or at least enough do that if you can’t throw you’re going to let a whole lot of extra bases be taken (singles become doubles, doubles become triples or even inside the parkers, every fly out with a man on base allows the runner to tag up.) That’s a disaster waiting to happen in a way that his failures at 3B just aren’t.

  2. Section 222 - May 31, 2014 at 5:19 PM

    Chase, in fairness, MW didn’t think there was any connection whatsoever between Fister’s quick work and the Nats’ good offense when he pitches, as I’m sure you heard in the postgame presser where you got the other quote about how it helps the defense.

  3. ArVAFan - May 31, 2014 at 5:41 PM

    All I can hope is that they can keep using the same bats that they’ve been using for tomorrow’s game (and the next . . ). Obviously, this batch of bats has a lot of hits in it.

    Notice there weren’t any Nats broken bats today. Don’t know if that’s the effect of better hitting, or worse pitching. It certainly wasn’t from lack of hitting the ball!

    Sweep tomorrow! GYFNG!

  4. Candide - May 31, 2014 at 5:56 PM

    Also got new-posted.

    I didn’t live in DC when Short moved the Senators, so I never got a detailed view of what happened back then.

    But in the car last night after the game, we heard Phil Wood talk about what happened. He says the Senators had a really bad lease at RFK stadium and asked the city to renegotiate it to be on a par with the Indians’ lease (whether that was a great lease or just an average one, he didn’t say). Phil claims then-Mayor Washington told Short to take a hike, betting that no baseball team would ever leave the nation’s capital.

    Anyone know how accurate a summation this is?

    • knoxvillenat - May 31, 2014 at 6:18 PM

      I remember Bob Short raising ticket prices to what seemed a ridiculously high level given the terrible product on the field. I remember Bob Short taking the lower portion of the outfield upper deck and labeling the seats as “Reserved Grandstand” or some such nonsense. This resulted in general admission seats bring somewhere close to Benning Road as I recall.

      I remember Bob Short as being nothing but a complete jerk. It was a darn shame when MLB allowed him to move the franchise to Texas.

    • knoxvillenat - May 31, 2014 at 6:20 PM

      Mayor Washington must have forgotten Calvin Griffith moving the prior version of the Senators to Minneapolis.

      • dcwx61 - May 31, 2014 at 6:59 PM

        I doubt Short wanted to stay in DC regardless. The team and city was in shambles in the shadow of the riots when most thought DC would become what Detroit is today, instead of an urban utopia with more bike lanes per mile than any other city besides the left coast bike havens like portlandia. Imagine riding your bike down on H
        st, NE, the SE waterfront or U street in the wake of the riots. I must have seen several dozen riders today around town.

        However, in 2 years, it was the Rangers that were in shambles. Check it out:
        Seasons in Hell: With Billy Martin, Whitey Herzog and “The Worst Baseball Team in History”-The 1973-1975 Texas Rangers by Mike Shropshire

        “Even before the start of spring training, Herzog had said, ‘If Rich Billings is the starting catcher again, we’re in deep trouble.’ When that evaluation was passed along to Billings, he simply nodded and said, ‘Whitey, obviously, has seen me play.'” In early 1973, gonzo sportswriter Mike Shropshire agreed to cover the Texas Rangers for the Fort-Worth Star-Telegram, not realizing that the Rangers were arguably the worst team in baseball history. Seasons in Hell is a riotous, candid, irreverent behind-the-scenes account in the tradition of The Bronx Zoo and Ball Four, following the Texas Rangers from Whitey Herzog’s reign in 1973 through Billy Martin’s tumultuous tenure. Offering wonderful perspectives on dozens of unique (and likely never-to-be-seen-again) baseball personalities, Seasons in Hell recounts some of the most extreme characters ever to play the game and brings to life the no-holds-barred culture of major league baseball in the mid-seventies. ” from

    • senators5 - May 31, 2014 at 11:14 PM

      What I do know is that other than 90+ Bob Wolf (former Senators radio and TV broadcaster, no one knows as much about the two former Senators teams than Phil Wood. who has co-authored several books about the Senators and personally knew many of the players. Even to this day, he still signs off with his own version of adios with “Eddie Yost” who of course was a long time Senator 3rd baseman known as the “Walking Man.”

  5. Ghost of Steve M. - May 31, 2014 at 6:14 PM

    Turn on MLB Network

    • Ghost of Steve M. - May 31, 2014 at 6:16 PM

      They are doing a story on Ryan Zimmerman’s new beginning as they just called it. They just did a preview collage of his errant throws. Hard to watch.

      • David Proctor - May 31, 2014 at 6:27 PM

        Cliff Floyd basically said to let Denard Span catch everything in left center and just try to guard the line. The only problem with that is that Werth is also a liability in RF. Span can’t cover both gaps to mask both their deficiencies. I guess it’ll obviously depend on the hitter as to what he does.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - May 31, 2014 at 6:35 PM

        They talked about Zim as if he’d be a statue out there. The preview was awful.

      • David Proctor - May 31, 2014 at 6:41 PM

        He can’t be any worse than Morse or Willingham or god forbid Dunn. He could outperform those three blindfolded, I think.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - May 31, 2014 at 6:44 PM

        David, did you see the preview collage of RZims poor throws

      • 6ID20 - May 31, 2014 at 6:52 PM

        For a statue, Zim has exhibited pretty wide range in getting to foul pop ups down the 3b line, wouldn’t you say?

      • Ghost of Steve M. - May 31, 2014 at 6:53 PM

        6ID20, absolutely. He will be fine.

  6. dcwx61 - May 31, 2014 at 6:44 PM

    Grateful to be at the park today for an early start….folks storming in thru the center field gate thru the 3rd inning for about 35,000 attendance, kind of like LA. Seemed to be a bit of jet stream out to right by the score board…..Span made what appeared to be a remarkable play against the board where he did not run into the barrier but cruised up to it and jumped. I’m not sure I’ve seen a better center fielder. He appeared to sting the ball in his at bats as did most Nats. And Rendon could do no wrong.
    I’m not sure I’ve seen a pitcher throw 60 pitches in the first 2 innings like Tepiche sp ?? did.
    I thought Danny did foul off more balls before finally striking out 3 times so that is progress, but not enough to be a starting 2b for much longer.
    Got to hear DC’s own Chuck Brown, the father Go Go, played 4 times for the dingers….But then the 7th inning stretch song was some unrecognizable country song with no connection to one of the most soulful towns in America. Why not celebrate the home of Go Go, Ellington, Marvin Gaye and Chuck Brown. The team will be bustin’ loose with the return of Zimm, Gio and Harper. What a team, what a town. Check out the neighboring hood the next team you go down…The waterfront walking trail that leads to a host of pleasant hangouts (osteria Morini written up recently in the NY Times), Blue Jacket makes some killer bbq at their outdoor grill and you can rent a kayak down the street while watching the trapeze school students practice.
    Is this heaven, no it’s SE DC. See ya at the park or on the radio. GYFrNG!!!

    • sjm308 - May 31, 2014 at 6:59 PM

      Great post and I agree totally about the neighborhood and the music. I don’t think I have heard a Marvin Gaye song yet!
      Chuck Brown’s band is still playing and I am excited about going to hear them on July 30th out at Strathmore. I still remember the first time I heard Chuck. It seemed to be one long song that lasted about an hour and even this old white guy was up on his feet. (of course when I first heard Chuck I was not really old and could stand for an hour)

      Bluejacket is a gem and I have been for both lunch and before a game. The guy really does know how to craft a beer. Will hit the Italian place when there is not a ballgame because I have read its really top notch and want that to be sort of a date thing.

      On the Span play you reference, I also was impressed that he had to be seeing Werth out of the corner of his eye, like he didn’t have enough to worry about with the ball and the wall. Just another star in my scorebook along with the ones for Rendon. I also thought the popup the Espinosa dropped (fairly ruled a hit) should have been Werth’s ball – has Jason lost a step?.

      Go Nats!!

      • dcwx61 - May 31, 2014 at 7:20 PM

        Thanks for the tip, SJM…Gotta get my tix for the Chuck Brown band in July….just keeps getting better..
        Agreed on the Espi popup from where I was sitting but I didn’t see a replay. McLouth made a fine run-in play earlier.
        Anybody know why the rendon ground out that Beltre missed was called a hit…and the one popup that was lost in the sun ???? both hits ?
        Mercy, Mercy me…What’s goin on…

        How about Marvin’s Got to Give up for the 7th inning song ???

        No more Urban City Blues…bustin loose boys and girls

      • letswin3 - May 31, 2014 at 7:55 PM

        I vote “YES” ….. great song, and I can imagine the stands rockin with stretchers and a few residual seat dancers. On occasion you might even see a few dugout movers.

      • sjm308 - May 31, 2014 at 11:13 PM

        dcwx61 – tip gets better – its a free concert outside at the pavilion!! July 30th enjoy

  7. unkyd59 - May 31, 2014 at 6:56 PM

    I’m just gonna pray that Zim’s sidearm motion can get him through this year, along with getting him as many games at 1B and DH. I can’t see how he can throw sidearm from the deep OF, and throwing hard, overhand seems to be out of the question, at this point… Maybe there’s periodic arthroscopy that can keep him able to do 1B, for the rest of his carreer, because I don’t see him being at any other corner spot, predominantly. We’ve kicked around the 2B possibility, where almost everything is sidearm, but you make a lot of throws, there… I almost feel like trading for a 2B, but then you pretty much have to sit a (theoretically) productive bat, everyday…. If Zim’s arm can handle 4+- days a week at 3B, then I don’t see a better plan available. Danny may hit better, twice a week, like the first few weeks… You never know…..

    • sjm308 - May 31, 2014 at 7:02 PM

      unkyd – it probably won’t involve a “scope” but I bet Mr. Cortisone will be at the ready. You and I agree about Zimm handling 3rd as I wrote early in this post. Just have to think its the best plan for the rest of this year.

  8. natsfan1a - May 31, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    Carrying forward, seeing as how it relates to the topic:

    natsfan1a – May 31, 2014 at 3:41 PM

    Nice win, and I enjoyed Fister’s postgame where he talked about how his plan going in was to focus on ground balls, limit strikeouts, and get out of there fast. I’m glad he’s a Nat. Hope he rubs off on some of our other starters.

    Just hope they saved some for tomorrow, when I’ll be in attendance. Remember, boys, at the gala tonight, focus on glad-handing, limit tippling, and get out of there fast so you’ll be fresh for tomorrow’s game. :-)

  9. Theophilus T.S. - May 31, 2014 at 7:17 PM

    Don’t know who was playing LF for Tejas today but he was a butcher. Zimmerman will have nothing to be ashamed about. I don’t know how anyone can pan his LF-ing ability when he hasn’t even played LF in a minor league game.

    If your daughter insists you wear sunscreen on a bright sunny day, don’t sit in Section 243. Spent much of innings 2-6 trotting back and forth to the LBR trying to wash it out of my eyes.

    • David Proctor - May 31, 2014 at 7:21 PM

      Playing LF for the Rangers was their prized $150M acquisition Shin Soo Choo.

      • Theophilus T.S. - May 31, 2014 at 7:39 PM

        Still a butcher. Looked lackadaisical on a couple of plays last night and again today. Acted like he was afraid of the ball.

      • letswin3 - May 31, 2014 at 7:58 PM

        In all fairness, he’s injured……..could hardly trot to first on a groundout.

      • letswin3 - May 31, 2014 at 8:00 PM

        Oh yeah, I think he led MLB in OBP last year too.

  10. David Proctor - May 31, 2014 at 7:29 PM

    Andrew Simon ‏@AndrewSimonMLB 54s
    Ryan Zimmerman broke the exact wrong way on a liner to left-center and turned a single or possible out into a double. His 1st chance. #Nats

    Oh lord.

    • David Proctor - May 31, 2014 at 7:31 PM

      The throw back in was apparently strong, so there’s that.

  11. Eugene in Oregon - May 31, 2014 at 7:59 PM

    On the Ryan Zimmerman to LF question (putting 1B aside for a moment), just a few questions:

    — Does anyone know how many meaningful fielding chances the LF averages per game (not just fiedling a single, but catching a fly or line drive or trying to corral a hard-hit ball in the corner or the gap)?
    — Does anyone know how many meaningful throws the LF averages per game (not just lobbing the ball back after a single, but trying to stop a runner from advancing a base or even trying for a put-out)?
    — Does anyone know how many meaningful throws a 3B averages per game (particularly across the diamond to 1B)?

    My guess — and it’s just is guess — is that the Nats management knows these numbers and has run them through whatever analytical tools they use. And — again, an assumption — I presume they’ve done the math and concluded that with an admittedly imperfect arm, LF is a better place for Mr. Zimmerman to be than 3B, at least for the time being. And that his bat is worth more than a few misplayed balls in the outfield. Are they right? That’s why they play the games.

  12. Theophilus T.S. - May 31, 2014 at 8:04 PM

    Eugene — I don’t think the Nats needed any pocket calculators on this one. Rendon made two plays today that show he’s as good a 3B as Zimmerman ever was, without regard to the present problems w/ his shoulder. The GB he charged was half-way (or more) into Desmond’s territory.

    • David Proctor - May 31, 2014 at 8:18 PM

      “Rendon made two plays today that show he’s as good a 3B as Zimmerman ever was”

      Woah woah woah, let’s not get carried away here. Ryan Zimmerman was the best defensive 3B in baseball. Rendon still has a lot to prove over there, despite making some incredible plays.

      • IsawTeddywin - May 31, 2014 at 9:10 PM

        Agreed, Lot’s acting like Rendon’s play was one for the ages, but if it had been Zimmerman and he missed it, you’d see 50 posts of “past a diving Zimmerman “

      • veejh - Jun 1, 2014 at 4:22 AM

        Uhhhmmmmm, yeah. Rendon has just as much dazzle. Sorry.

  13. Whynat - May 31, 2014 at 8:24 PM

    Nats Insider Game: Can you match the pitching line to the Narrative:

    Pitcher A: 6IP, 6H, 2R, 1BB, 9K
    Pitcher B: 6IP, 4H, 2R, 1BB, 6K

    Narrative Choice 1: Brilliant, Veteran Grit
    Narrative Choice 2: Falling apart, Verge of a Meltdown

    • Eugene in Oregon - May 31, 2014 at 9:02 PM

      It’s all about expectations and perceptions. When Stephen Strasburg (A/2) pitches, too many observers see a ‘pampered’ first-round draft pick and expect him to throw a masterpiece and any deviation is perceived as failure and/or a character flaw. With Doug Fister (B/1) the hype and expectations are obviously lower (‘he’s a number four’) and a string of good outings is a cause for praise. It’s certainly not unique to sports, but is magnified by the single-minded focus on winning sports encourages. That said, sweep the Rangers tomorrow!

      • Whynat - May 31, 2014 at 9:19 PM


      • veejh - Jun 1, 2014 at 12:59 AM

        I see a Fister on a level above Stras. He’s done it through 3 consecutive seasons in the AL. He’s doing it again in the NL. Dude is a beast. Sign him, not JZimm.

    • Section 222 - Jun 1, 2014 at 1:05 AM

      Great point!





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